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kevin wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:43 AM:

" Half the time the NVR forgets to post new rants for the week, NOW they post TWO! Go figure...

Just in time for Halloween the SF Chronicle is publishing something really scary; in their Insight section they are now fixated on overturning Prop 13.

Evidently the Liberal Left has decided that they have to find an excuse for the reason all their policies have driven California into bankruptcy and failure. The new mantra will be that it is all Prop 13's fault. Ignoring the fact that property tax revenue is over 500% what it was before Prop 13; far higher than what inflation and population growth would account for.

They conveniently leave out the fact that Prob 13 protects ALL property owners by limiting yearly tax increases to 2%.

They also blame it for the 2/3 requirement to pass a budget; ignoring the fact that California's taxes are already among the highest in the country. Imagine how high taxes would be WITHOUT the 2/3 requirement!

Be prepared. If you are not a member of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, now would be a good time to join... "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 1, 2009 10:29 AM:

" Interesting.
I've lived in my house for 21 years so my property tax growth was governed by Prop 13. My neighbors moved into their house, which is comparable to mine, two years ago and pay three times what I pay.
I know there is an argument out there to convince me this is fair. Please tell me what it is. "

sickothis wrote on Nov 1, 2009 11:34 AM:

" Prop 13 will be modified. "

kevin wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:42 PM:

" Acluwanza, what Prop 13 does is let your neighbors know with 100 % certainty what their taxes will be next year. And it keeps their taxes from increasing more than 2% per year!

Before Prop 13 taxes would rise astronomically each and every year. Governor Moonbeam refused to do anything, the Legislature was gridlocked (sound familiar?) and Prop 13 was passed and it saved the homes of thousands if not millions of homeowners.

Talk to your friends who have abandoned California and moved to other States. I know it's antecdotal, but they are all surprised that their property taxes vary dramatically year from year.

In a high tax State locked in a "death spiral", property taxes are the one bright spot as they fall into the media area when compared to other States... "

surfdogge69 wrote on Nov 1, 2009 9:48 PM:

" The State of Cal E Fornia just enacted legislation to "borrow" money from taxpayers by increasing the State Income tax tables by 10%. Starting immediately. Check your next pay stub and see how much your take home dropped. Were we ASKED if this could be done???? "

4gnapan wrote on Nov 1, 2009 10:48 PM:

" well, the minute prop 13 gets tossed, will be when i decide to move to Canada... "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:23 AM:

" Hopefully, the Demoncrats in Sacramento will never touch Prop 13!

Your answer is long term home ownership is rewarded.

Property tax in L.A., what my parents were paying was 15% on a home valued at $130k. take your home now at $300, 400, or even 500k x 5,6,7,8, or 9% property tax.

Long before they touch Prop 13, they need to fix their own house and spending issues.

The Demoncrats are trying to turn CA into a total ghost town.

Just how much taxation can we take in this economy? Would you be willing to pay 40,45,50,55,60, or even 65% of your income in taxes???

Health Care, Cap & Trade, TARP, Stimulus, State Taxes, City taxes, School Taxes amount to trillions in new taxes......Inefficient management.

Control Government, control their spending, and save the taxpayer. "

Raven wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:49 AM:

" surfdog, the legislation went into effect on sunday...it was enacted last february ... and technically you can get it all back when you file your taxes in april... "

antipc wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:41 PM:

" Overturning or revising prop 13 will result in an exodus of the people & businesses we should be trying to attract.

But just to show how sleazy Dems can be, they borrow money from the taxpayers by skirting the 2/3 majority law because banks won't loan them anymore. Great financial strategy! "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:17 PM:

" antipc
The guy in charge is a Republican...It is his great financial strategy. "

surfdogge69 wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:52 PM:

" Raven- Thanks, knew that. Point is, they didn't ask, they just did. So, to counteract I don't want them taking more now, I want it now. So, I just refiled and upped my dependents claim so they don't get their extra from me...Heck with them, it's their mess, let the legislature take big paycuts, cut out the perk cars, airplane rides, meals, and other perks they get on top of rediculous saleries. Then, when they balance the budget and our schools are viable, if they want a voluntary increase to borrow then I'll be glad to help. They are borrowing from us, but we don't get back any interest. When we borrow from them, or banks, we have to pay interest. Why should we give them free money, they'll just blow it anyway. Prop 13, I inherited my mom's house when she died and I only pay $468 in property tax with the one time transfer. Re assesed, I would have to pay over $3600..Long live prop 13..Again let big management ie State Sup and School board members, take big pay cuts and/or work part time, balance the school budgets, use better fiscal management, then when they correct their mistakes of the past, we'll talk about increasing my property tax. Until then, 2% increase per year is good enough for me. My kids are grown, I paid through taxes for their public schooling, so I'm done paying for something I am no longer using..My kids can now pay their own taxes to support the schools THEIR kids will go to...I paid my fair share. I'm done. "

antipc wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:05 PM:

" alu, the legislators passed this without a 2/3 majority. But you're right Arnie should not have signed it. "

sickothis wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:00 PM:

" Wait a minute - I thought you wanted all the people OUT of CA!?! "

post-it wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:40 PM:

" This is a political rant. Why can't I call a member of the local republican party leadership to task for labeling the opposition party as democrats?

After all, he is well known to whine when others label him. "

diehard4ever wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:56 PM:

" GUESS WHAT!?!?

WE THE PEOPLE just paid $600,000 for Obama's tank proof Caddy Limo that can't go over 60 MPH because he put a V6 in it. Did we get a Thank You? Nope. That money could have gone to schools and roads... but he bought a car. He could have got a Mercedes Guard for $100,000 less, and it can go 230+ MPH... At least he bought American, unlike he did with the helicopters... "

antipc wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:22 PM:

" sicko, still haven't figured out who pays the bills, have you?

post-it, call him whatever you want to. Just remember what you'd be paying in new taxes if it weren't for prop 13, Arnie, & the republicans. "

Raven wrote on Nov 2, 2009 6:59 PM:

" guess what diehard, the limo was ordered by the Bush administration before the election...and the helicopters? Also ordered by Bush and canceled in the defense authorization bill Obama just signed. "

post-it wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:10 PM:

" Anti-
If the NVR had posted my original comment, you would have seen me defending prop 13 and calling out the local republican leadership for his bad manners towards his opposition party. "

post-it wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:19 PM:

" Diehard
2010 Mercedes S600 Pullman Guard is 1.4 million

http://www.insideline.com/mercedes-benz/s-class/2010/2010-mercedes-benz-s600-pullman-guard-first-drive.html "

kevin wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:21 PM:

" "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

I couldn't say it any better than Barry Goldwater.

Surfdog, great idea! I urge EVERYONE to immediately change their W2's to REDUCE their withholding tax! "

Raven wrote on Nov 2, 2009 10:45 PM:

" just remember surf, you can be penalized by the IRS for not withholding enough and you can't use one withholding for state and one for feds...and then make sure you have the cash ready for april 15th. "

kevin wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:18 AM:

" What do you mean Raven? I use separate criteria for State and Federal (different number of exemptions)... "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:14 AM:

" luca-

Arnold is no Republican, he is however Demoncrat lite! "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:29 AM:

" Gore’s Dual Role: Advocate and Investor

WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Al Gore thought he had spotted a winner last year when a small California firm sought financing for an energy-saving technology from the venture capital firm where Mr. Gore is a partner.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html

No wonder he is so freaked by global warming, oops, climate change. He stands to make billions, even trillions from it. Billy Mays on steroids. "

surfdogge69 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:15 AM:

" Raven--I'm 56, been working since I was 16. Always had a refund from both. Never had to pay because of not enough withholding, ever.. "

Raven wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:09 AM:

" then your withholding has been within the limits surf...(56 myself btw)..... "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:14 PM:

" freeport
Arnie is all yours. Republicans put him in office. We Dems never wanted him or voted for him.

Al Gore is making money. Imagine that. Good for him. I admire his success and believe in his altruistic motivation. He should have been president... "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:20 PM:

" freeport
I read the article. You left out all the positive facts that are written there. I certainly hope everyone takes you up on your recommendation to read it.

BTW: He was "freaked out" by global warming long before these financial opportunities came his way. Did you read the whole article? I doubt you would have recommended it if you had. "

sickothis wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:28 PM:

" Oh no! A Republic called the Democratic bill Democratic! Twice! Thrice! "

russ wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:23 PM:

" FLASH....Republicans slaughter Democrats from top to bottom of ballot in Virginia election.

Where did the Obama voters go? Where did the Republican voters come from? "

diehard4ever wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:40 PM:

" Raven-
Are you sure? Because the limo was custom ordered for Obama, by Obama. I need to find the article, but I believe the helicopters were as well. There's a Rant somewhere about it... I just need to find it.

post-it-
Are you sure??? Not the fancy tricked out one, but the 2009 (?) Mercedes S Guard. There's no way I can see them making it THAT expensive. Even Bugatti Veyron is less expensive than that... "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:07 PM:

" Russ-

Whatever party holds the White House has lost the governor seat in Virginia for the past 30+ years. No shocker there. "

RUSS wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:05 PM:

" HearYe,

You are missing the earthquake that happened today. Mr. Axelrod and his White House marketing team are not missing it.

McChrystal gets his army, healthcare is rethought, cap and tax is put off.

This is a big deal. "

RUSS wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:21 PM:

" Fox News FLASH.....Republican wins governorship in heavily Democrat New Jersey.

Voters do not like the Democrat economy and Democrat unemployment. "

sickothis wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:41 PM:

" Rep Steve King (R) 5th Iowa just called the US a competitive aristocracy and just asked for us to march on Washington.

Rep Todd Akin (R) Missori just compared us to communist Rusia.

And we pay these guys why? "

antipc wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:44 PM:

" Well, the quandary for the dems starts to get exciting. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, & others have quite a decision to make. Maintain the current path towards socialism at full throttle or scale back to save the party & live for another day. So little time & such big self centered egos. Meanwhile the blue states are crumbling around them due to their policies with another year failures to become evident to even the MSM. What to do, what to do? Those dang, irrelevant, astroturf, tea partiers may actually have some validity. Naaaaaw just more ignorant, tax paying patriots. "

post-it wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:18 PM:

" diehard,
well, you could read the article I linked if you didn't beleive me. Mercedes makes a variety of "guard" models. Some are basically armored versions of standard E & S class models. However, the S600 Pullman would be most comparable to the presidential limo. Comparing the presidential limo to an E-class Guard model would be comparing apples & oranges.

By the way, a Veyron is about 2 million if I recall.... Pretty spendy VW! "

post-it wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:23 PM:

" Russ, while you are gloating about 2 governor races, what about the NY congress seat that fell to dems for the first time in like forever? What does that say about the republican party? Where did the conservatives go wrong? "

post-it wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 PM:

" Diehard,
Didn't Obama use the new limo for inauguration? Seems it would be pretty hard to order it before he was elected... "

Raven wrote on Nov 4, 2009 5:58 AM:

" better find it then diehard the secret service gets a new limo for each president and it takes months for it to be delivered...Obama received his in Jan. there is a nice piece in the Christian Science monitor about it...

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/01/15/obamas-new-limo-ugly-but-it-can-fend-off-asteroids/

and this one from Nov 6, 2008..

http://www.boston.com/cars/news/articles/2008/11/06/cadillac_testing_new_obama_limo/

take a look at the secoind graph...

"An analysis of unauthorized photographs taken while the car was being tested last summer on public roads suggests that the presidential ride will be a truck-based Cadillac. It will presumably replace the Cadillac that President Bush has used since 2005."

If it was being tested in the summer of 2008, when do you think it was ordered and by whom? "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 4, 2009 9:36 AM:

" I thought the most significant win was the Dems winning that New York Congressional district for the first time in over 200 years. Now that's an earthquake. "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 4, 2009 9:42 AM:

" Okay It was actually the first Dem since the late 1800's "

cab e-girl wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:32 AM:

" Hear Ye, you ignore the fact that a third party candidate (conservative) took 42% of the vote and the republican in name only took 5% of the vote. Yep, everything is status quo. The election results mean nothing for the current administration or all of the corrupt democrats in power, Acorn etc..... "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 4, 2009 12:54 PM:

" I didn't ignore anything, conservatives have dominated this area for an absurd amount of years. I do agree with you that these handful of odd year elections mean nothing about the current administration. "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 2:43 PM:

" Democrats put the "D" in dysfunctional.

As for the NY 23rd, what a joke that Republican was RINOs are not decision makers or principled. Scuzzafava would be an insult to any political party. "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 4, 2009 2:45 PM:

" So funny to see the word "corrupt" used to describe Democrats after eight years with Cheney, Libby, Rove, and the rest of that gang... "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 2:48 PM:

" luca- he must not have been that concerned with a $30k per month electric bill. Nor did he seem to wince when the Jet he flies in is the worst for fuel mileage in the sky.

His dreams and hopes maybe altruistic, but spreading doom and gloom with one hand while reaping income from it is the mark of a low life.

Besides, he lied in his film. faked scenes and is no scientist at all. He is just another liberal scamming the system to get rich. "

napathinker wrote on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM:

" Since 1965, there has been a consistant shift of a couple of states the year after each Presidental election. Studies show that the election in the year after the change over of president to a different party, there have been 2 states that voted with the elected president changed govenorship to the opposite party. Virginia, as a Mostly Republican State, suprised everyone by overwelmingly voting Demo for Obama, but now returned to form and Voted Republican for their STATE officials. No suprise, no loss. New Jersey has gone back and forth from Rep to Dem and back for a long long time in the Govenor. NJ voted AGAINST the corruption and practices of a BAD Govenor, and would have done the same if it had been a Republican or Democrat. They stay a mostley Demo state up and down the legislature. This proves that people like BALANCE in Government. When one party gets too much majority no matter which party it is, it makes voters nervous. It proves we as Americans don't like Domination by one party or another. Plus, it is known that lower voter turnouts usually go Republican and Higher turnouts go Democrat. It is proven out each election. Conservatives, especially the LOUD talk show hosts, have to cling to each little victory and blow them way out of perportion to justify their existence. Balance is good. Comprimise is good. Debate is good. The MAJORITY of Americans are Center, and like MODERATION, not extremists either Left or Right. Hannity is right(ha ha) about one thing. People want jobs, education, common sense free market health care, and Social Issues are back burner issues that can and must be looked at after we stabilize everything else, not be front end issues. California and Maine Voters have spoken "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 4:41 PM:

" luca-

Most of the cabinet choices did not pay taxes (trying to be like Ron Dellums). There are some congressman, chair of the tax committee, that have evading taxes.

Who's calling the kettle black????? "

antipc wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:01 PM:

" Alu, I haven't seen any indictments against Bush, Cheney, or Rove. Just petty little pay back investigations by Dems that end up in the same place Palin's investigations went....nowhere.

But keep saying it, it may come true.

Meanwhile the tax, tax, tax Dems are continually caught cheating on their taxes. Gietner, Wrangle, & how many other Obama appointees? "

Raven wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:06 PM:

" Most of the cabinet choices?.....

that implies a majority - might I suggest you double check your math? "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:47 PM:

" I wish you would all read freeport's suggested article about Al Gore. Freeport left out the good stuff...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:53 PM:

" Antipc-

I don't think you want to get in an argument about which party gets caught doing or not doing things. "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:01 PM:

" Corruption:
Senator Bill Frist" took money from the tobacco industry, $23,000 so far (Source Center for Responsive Politics at URL http://www.crp.org/tob96/tobacco91-96.htm ). He gives good return to the industry for their investment in him, by voting in their interests in most instances.
Bill Frist is a doctor!

George Walker Bush
Reaped $14 million from selling his $600,000 stake in a deal that involved the building of a new stadium for the Texas Rangers. George profited handsomely while taxpayers were stiffed for the money to subsidize Bush and his investment partners.

Jeb Bush
Defaulted on a $4,56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that gave Jeb used that loan, the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators to $.5 million, which Bush and his partners paid, thereby leaving the taxpayers with a $4 million LOSS.

As for Rudolph Giuliani, among the many problems discussed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_of_Rudy_Giuliani , one of the most significant – given the problems of the Bush administration with encroachments over personal freedoms, " "More than 35 successful lawsuits were brought against Giuliani and his administration for blocking free speech."

More at this site. Very illuminating. Interesting to read.

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/gopcorruption-1.html "

russ wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:37 PM:

" Liberals are failing to see the BIG picture.

It would have been great to win NY-23, of course, but what a dysfunctional election process there. Result not transferable to another election. The Rep-Conservatives will win that seat, with a good campaign in 12 months.

For Democrats to lose New Jersey after 6 visits to NJ by Obama...........that's big stuff.

I agree with the NY Times, Obama is personally popular. People are now trying to understand that beautiful rhetoric.

Notice that the Democrats are running for the hills so as not to get tarred by Obamacare and Obamataxes and Obamadeficit.

Obama's charisma is NOT transferable to any other candidate. Obama has no coattails.

Look for another earthquake in 12 months. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Nov 4, 2009 9:45 PM:

" Al Gore - altruistic? Pardon me for several minutes while I roll on the floor laughing. And of course he is the perfect role model for protecting the environment - huge houses, several SUVs, fake science, private jet flights (no small carbon footprint there) all over the country to sell carbon credits. Yep, a real role model. Do as I say, sheeple, not as I do! And send me all your money and I'll sell you carbon credits! Redeemable . . . nowhere! Hahahahahaha! [Halloween maniacal laugh] There's an idea for my next year Halloween costume - I'll dress up to be Al Gore! Scary!

"So funny to see the word "corrupt" used to describe Democrats after eight years with Cheney, Libby, Rove, and the rest of that gang... " Yes alu, but was there ever any doubt? Power and money are the ultimate corrupters and corruption knows no party boundaries. Democrats hold the power and the money, so expect the word "corrupt" to be used with "Democrat" quite often. Funny? Only if you're into double-standards.

Another predictable: the AARP is endorsing Pelosi's heathcare bill - no surprise there. The AARP is just a wing of the Democrat left - has been for years. They will do what Reid/Pelosi tell them to do.

Arnie is a Republican? Who knew? He certainly camouflages himself pretty well. I don't want him, you can have him. Arnie - go back to the movie business, Stallone is still making movies and $$ without all the headaches of trying to govern an ungovernable collection of special interest groups. Take a hint. As a benefit, people will stop pointing out your wife's misdemeanors. "

pharper wrote on Nov 4, 2009 11:34 PM:

" Frankly, I'm more than willing to spend $600k to protect the president of the United States. even if you don't agree with his politics, I'm SURE there's no one here who would want his safety to be in jeopardy.... Frankly, I would have thought a presidential-approved armored limo would cost a lot more than that.

And btw, who the heck cares how fast the limo can go? It just needs to protect those inside it. My car can go like 110, but I probably will never, ever need or want to drive that fast. "

antipc wrote on Nov 5, 2009 6:58 AM:

" Nice attempt at deflection. The point was, the same people advocating for & legislating more or higher taxes are the same ones cheating on theirs. "

Raven wrote on Nov 5, 2009 9:03 AM:

" no deflection...the statement was most...which is a majority and I am asking for facts to back it up....do you have them antipc? The deflection is in trying to avoid answering the question... "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 AM:

" The furor over the president's limo is a waste of time. There are more important things to argue about.

These days new technology comes out fast and the bad guys get new technology too. While I think it is a huge waste to buy a new limo every year or so, there probably isn't a good alternative. Retrofitting an armored limo is probably almost as expensive as building a new one, and we should use American suppliers even if the cost is $100K higher.

We must demand more American made products but the WalMart buying public just wants the cheapest **** they can buy - and they will get exactly that. How can you outsource the majority of our manufacturing jobs (and now customer service and office jobs are being sent out) and then expect to get a good job with decent pay here in the US? People, it's time to wake up! There will be no economic recovery without non-government job creation. All the talking head economic experts push this administration's propaganda that the economy is recovering but we will have high unemployment. That's an administration lie and is simply ridiculous. Fewer jobs plus more government = higher taxes on those who have jobs, which result in more jobs sent elsewhere.

Now our auto industry has been gutted by the government. We will be getting Italian Dodges and most likely we will have Chinese GM cars soon. Nice if you live in Italy or China and maybe an Italian Dodge sounds like fun (I'd like a Ferrari Viper please) but will you be able to get a job with a good enough income to buy one? Or do you expect the government to buy one for you? "

napathinker wrote on Nov 5, 2009 9:51 AM:

" I voted for Obama not because I believed he was the complete answer, but because he was the better of what was offered. I wanted Hillary Clinton. What did the other side offer--McCain and "unable" "rogue" Palin..EEEEWWWWW not. A woman that "choses" to have her disabled baby, then shoves it off to a nanny while she diddles around the county. Some mom, role model. I maybe would have voted McCain with a different VP. Obama is a great spokesperson for America, maybe not the greatest policies, but after the buffoonery of GW Bush, a nice change. I'm with Natalie of Dixie Chicks, I was embarrased to say that this person was our president. His only friend in the world was Tony Blair. As Robin Williams so elequently stated, the "UN's version of Rainman" with Tony Blair in the Tom Cruise roll and Bush not near as smart as Dustin Hoffman's part. We needed change, and Obama/Bidden was the better of the choices we were given. As far as this past week's elections, since 1965, every time there has been a change in Party in a presidental election, the following year in off elections 2 states that voted for that change in president went back to their former status, ie Virginia and NJ. NJ has had both Rep and Dem Govenors on and off for many decades. , and this time voted a BAD GOVENER OUT. NON issue. Virginia was a total Rep state, but suprised every one by voting majority to Obama with a contriversial Dem govenor. Now they are back to normal Rep. No suprise there either. It's called "Balance". The American people start getting nervous when things get too one sided or one party too much control. They vote for Balance either way. "

surfdogge69 wrote on Nov 5, 2009 12:05 PM:

" 2 new names have popped up for Govenor and Attorney General. Both Republican but radical right wing, both women. Meg Whitman, former CEO of Ebay is the right choice for Govenor. Carly Fiorina for Attorney General to replace the old and tired Barbara Boxer. We need change. Heard that before??? Well this time change for California needs to go in the opposite direction. Who cares if they are Republican or Democrat or Green or Orange. We need Fiscal Responsibility, Government Accountability, putting our state back on track. These 2 women will give us the best chance for getting California back on the road to viability..I've been Dem all my life, but hope I have voted for sense other than party. It makes the best sense to oust the current leaders that have been holding our State Hostage for so long. Look at where we are, they have failed in their jobs. They may be well meaning, maybe, but if I was as incompetent as these leaders, I would have been fired from my job. Time to fire them and replace with those from ANY party that will do the correct job... "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 5, 2009 2:13 PM:

" What makes you think Fiorina will do a good job after she failed so epically in her last one? "

Raven wrote on Nov 5, 2009 2:18 PM:

" Carly Fiorina for Attorney General to replace the old and tired Barbara Boxer..

1) Boxer is a senator not attorney general...

2) Let us see she did while she was CEO of HP...

a) starting in 1999, she was fired by the Hewlett-Packard board in 2005, or that its stock declined by 60% on her watch. She touts that HP is now one of the country's leading high-tech companies, but managed not to give too much credit to her successor, Mark Hurd, who led the turnaround.

b) she failed to vote in 75% of California state elections since 2000, including all gubernatorial elections and presidential primaries.

c) laid off 15,000 workers from HP

d) HP used a Mideast distributor called Redington Gulf to sell hundreds of millions of dollars of copiers and other products to Iran during Fiorina’s tenure. "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 5, 2009 3:20 PM:

" raven-

A key feature to your remarks regarding Fiorina were left out. At that time HP merged with Compaq. As with most mergers positions were consolidated and layoffs occur.

It was the merger, that the HP Board voted for. While not a big fan of Fiorina, I thought that HP made it harder for her to do her job. "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 5, 2009 3:21 PM:

" Raven-

GE is still selling to Iran. I am sure a lot of other companies are as well. "

sickothis wrote on Nov 5, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Listening to the radio in the car today - an apolitical station. They Did an interview of a 65 year old man from Indiana, PA. Interviewer asked the man at a rally in Washington DC today, inspired by Michelle Bachman, (R:MN-6) "So, why are you here?" The man answered, "I'm here to get answers from my Congressperson. I know that getting the truth is a long shot. I don't like some things in the health care bill. I heard that there's a law in there that when you turn 70 the government comes and gives you a little pill and it kills you. They murder you."

The interviewer stammered, "Well, I think that is one of the rumors that has been debunked."

The retiree snorted, "well I've been hearing that on the radio from people that I like and I respect, so I want an answer!" "

Raven wrote on Nov 5, 2009 5:38 PM:

" Then the board fired her for the excellent job she was doing, like driving the stock value down by almost 2/3....and while GE may have been selling, it's former CEO is running for the senate the last time I heard. "

kevin wrote on Nov 5, 2009 5:40 PM:

" surfdog, check out Chuck Devore who is running for Senate:

http://www.chuckdevore.com/

He is a much better choice that Carlie Fiorrina.. "

russ wrote on Nov 5, 2009 7:03 PM:

" sicko,

So you are saying that the person interviewed on NPR, a non-partisan (?) network, is a statistically significant data point?

I think that the significant point is that the NPR managed to find that one loon out of 20,000 protesters. How many other interviews did NPR conduct on air? "

Raven wrote on Nov 5, 2009 8:30 PM:

" Russ ,it shows that if one person, picked at random by the reporter feels that way, what does it say about the rest?..

and nowhere does he say it npr, just an "apolitical station".... "

Raven wrote on Nov 5, 2009 8:32 PM:

" it's former CEO is running for the senate the last time I heard. "..

should be ....it's former CEO is NOT running for the senate the last time I heard. " "

Raven wrote on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 PM:

" on the health care wars...

Ezra Klein from the washington post...

In 2019 the Republican alternative will have helped 3 million people secure coverage, which is barely keeping up with population growth. Compare that to the Democratic bill, which covers 36 million more people and cuts the uninsured population to 4 percent. The GOP's alternative will shave $68 billion off the deficit in the next 10 years. The Democrats, CBO says, will slice $104 billion off the deficit. The Democratic bill, in other words, covers 12 times as many people and saves $36 billion more than the Republican plan.

This is a major embarrassment for the Republicans. It's one thing to keep your cards close to your chest. Republicans are in the minority, after all, and their plan stands no chance of passage. It's another to lay them out on the table and show everyone that you have no hand, and aren't even totally sure how to play the game. The Democratic plan isn't perfect, but in comparison, it's looking astonishingly good.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/

the CBO analysis

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10705/hr3962amendmentBoehner.pdf

(only 12 pages long so should be easy for everyone to read....even the GOP) "

kevin wrote on Nov 5, 2009 10:18 PM:

" The CBO numbers aren't worth the paper they are written on.

The Democrat bill doesn't start benefits for 3 years, but the tax increases and Medicare cuts start immediately. "

Raven wrote on Nov 6, 2009 6:52 AM:

" So the CBO numbers are okay when you attack the democrat plan but not okay when applied to the GOP plan....and the number take the start times into account, kevin, just read the report on the Demo plan. The sum total is the GOP doesnt ciut the deficit as much in the same time period as the GOP and covers more people... "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 6, 2009 8:09 AM:

" what would any expect from the compost?

Since no one will give the repubs the time of day with regard to their proposals. $2.4 trillion to cover in essence 12 million illegal immigrants...

Being forced into a system we do not want to be a part of, UNCONSTITUTIONAL! "

Raven wrote on Nov 6, 2009 8:31 AM:

" a lil look at yesterday's 'press conference' called for by the House GOP at the Hill...keep it up tea partiers, the more America sees you like this the better...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110504566.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 "

antipc wrote on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM:

" Uh, Raven, you neglected to include MoveOn in your tea party comment.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/06/liberal-activist-groups-threatens-democrats-opposed-government-run-option/ "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 6, 2009 3:19 PM:

" Raven-

your continued insults to great harm to your ability to be taken as credible.

granted the NVR staff is weak at removing these types comments, still be a better debater and respect others if not yourself. "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 6, 2009 4:48 PM:

" I don't know Raven, our tea party friends seem to be very educated, informed, and sane. Lol I see your article and raise you this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 6, 2009 5:30 PM:

" Is this the video where Boehner tells us he is going to quote the Constitution and then says the words that begin the Declaration of Independence??? How can a man hold a copy of the Constitution in his hand, tell us it's his personal copy, tell us how important he considers it, so important that he is going to quote it...and then quotes the D of I. Still laughing... Someone should have stopped him. Has he explained himself yet?? Let me know. I'd like to hear his explanation. "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 6, 2009 6:04 PM:

" Criminal penalties under Pelosi Health Care Bill

Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583

Yep, I trust our government to do the righ thing, NOT! "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 6, 2009 6:34 PM:

" Margaret Thatcher on Socialism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 6, 2009 6:37 PM:

" Milton Friedman - Socialism vs. Capitalism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76frHHpoNFs "

antipc wrote on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 PM:

" Ya' know, maybe we should test this health care reform on all state & federal employees before forcing it on the rest of the country. Make it available to all the liberals also for a modest fee, say $15,000 per family as that's what it's expected to cost in 2016.

After about a dozen years if it pans out we might think about expanding into the private sector. "

Raven wrote on Nov 7, 2009 8:24 AM:

" downloaded the current bill and did a search of it...couldn't find sections 7203 or 7201.....(page three is the table of contents btw)

but there is a section 7203 and 7201 of the tax code that provides criminal penalties for tax evasion....which the letter the web site quotes is quite specific about that these are current penalties under the current tax code. "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:12 AM:

" Raven-

It is the IRS that will be the enforcement arm of the Health Care Bill. This is just H.R. 3200 on steroids.

This is just hard nose tyranny to punish Americans like this. Totally Unconstitutional and tantamount to slavery! "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:18 AM:

" Luca-

I never voted for him. I think movie fans voted him in. Whi knew he would be so impotent! "

Raven wrote on Nov 7, 2009 1:22 PM:

" ahh. ... so, you are okay with refusing to pay the tax imposed when you refuse to maintain health insurance and pass your costs onto the rest of us and having no penalty for that refusal? What happened to your support for personal responsibility, of taking responsibility for your actions and the consequences of your actions? Do you also object to the penalties say for someone who refuses to buy auto insurance? "

kevin wrote on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 AM:

" Driving is a PRIVLEDGE, Raven, not a Constitutional RIGHT... "

Raven wrote on Nov 8, 2009 1:10 PM:

" so, health care is a constitutional right now kevin? "

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