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County OKs housing plan with Napa Pipe in the mix
Supervisor vote on mixed-use project still months away
Friday, September 18, 2009
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The proposed development at the former Napa Pipe site is looking more attractive to county officials as it becomes clear that pressure from the state to build affordable housing isn’t going to let up any time soon.

On Tuesday, the Napa County Board of Supervisors unanimously approved a long-term housing strategy that acknowledges the mixed-use Napa Pipe proposal as a reasonable solution to the county’s housing dilemma.
The county’s housing plan features 10 strategies, including a promise to continue lobbying for changes to the state law that imposes new housing requirements every seven years on counties and cities. Meeting affordable housing mandates has long been Napa County’s Achilles’ heel.

But the board-approved plan mentions only one development by name: Napa Pipe.
Supervisor Mark Luce said the state housing mandate is in “direct conflict with our General Plan goals of protecting agriculture and open space, but it’s, nonetheless, state law. … Another couple thousand units has to be zoned somewhere in the next 20 years, and that’s where Napa Pipe just stands out as a wonderful solution to that problem.”

The mixed-use development proposed at the south-county Napa Pipe site features 2,580 townhomes phased in over about 20 years.
“If we could actually have an agreement with the (state) that the county would satisfy its next three housing (allotments) through project approval here, “ Luce said, “then we basically have avoided the need to zone any land for residential use outside of city limits, apart from Napa Pipe.”

The housing plan approved on Tuesday allows for four possible scenarios regarding Napa Pipe..

First, the county will negotiate a development agreement with Napa Pipe developers to phase in residential development over the next 20 to 25 years. Twenty percent of the homes must be affordable.

The county will also negotiate a three-party agreement with Napa Pipe developers and the state. Under this option, the county would get credit toward future housing requirements for participating in a pilot program to monitor workforce housing and greenhouse gas emissions at Napa Pipe.

The county will also see if a deal can be struck with the city of Napa in which the city would take on the county’s housing requirements. In return, the county would agree to support placing the Napa Pipe site in the city’s sphere of influence — a key step toward annexing the site into the city.

Similar talks between the city and county failed last year, but Napa Mayor Jill Techel said she looks forward to resuming negotiations with the county.

“I am pleased that we’re part of the strategies that they’re looking at and I think it’s probably time for us to start these conversations up again,” Techel said.

The fourth scenario approved by the board Tuesday includes considering the Napa Pipe project without any sort of development agreement.

Napa Pipe developer Keith Rogal said he is pleased with the outcome of Tuesday’s vote.

“A long-term housing strategy that includes Napa Pipe — the largest, centrally-located, already-paved piece of property ever to become available in the county — is a wise public policy choice for the county,” Rogal said.

Supervisors said that while the county included Napa Pipe in its overall housing strategy, the move does not necessarily signal approval of the project, which is expected to come up for public hearings and a vote in the next several months.

“It’s an indication that we’re trying to get our housing numbers solved in whatever way we possibly can,” said Supervisor Brad Wagenknecht. “I don’t think there’s a real change in direction in this.”

Supervisor Keith Caldwell agreed. “I think that we sent a clear message that (Napa Pipe) is certainly one of the options that the Board of Supervisors has available to meet its overall program needs. … (but) I think that there are other options within those 10 that are just as important as the Napa Pipe option.”

Other strategies approved Tuesday include working with private property owners such as nonprofits to add housing stock, and looking for ways to locate new homes in the cities rather than unincorporated areas of Napa County.

The county has also agreed to consider the use of surplus county-owned land for affordable housing. A study into whether and where this is possible should be out by the end of 2011.
29 comment(s)

Steelhead wrote on Sep 18, 2009 1:13 AM:

" and so it begins, the long interminable slide into the same housing miasma that the State has mandated that violates all the tenets of our general plan... "

jpjpjp wrote on Sep 18, 2009 8:00 AM:

" Boy, what a surprise!! Yeah right !! The City and The County seem to do what they want no matter what the general populace thinks!!
Look at downtown!! Etc.. isn't it lovely??? All the millions spent and still nobody goes downtown!! "

klr wrote on Sep 18, 2009 8:21 AM:

" Steelhead,

I talked with a gentleman trying to sell me on affordable housing at Napa Pipe. Being an appraiser, I told him affordable housing has no real value in the free market. The government controls the "rent" or "price" people pay. Our appraised value is whatever the government determines the "price" is. Affordable housing would be better stated as "socialist housing". "

NAPA66 wrote on Sep 18, 2009 8:35 AM:

" Here we go again. Napa Pipe will never be feasible for low income housing. If this project goes through, I hope it is 20 or 30 years down the road. By then I will be dead and gone, and I hope the younger generation would move out of this controlled valley. We have had so many projects approved against our wishes for Napa. Please, if this comes up for discussion, fellow Napans vote no. "

jefferson wrote on Sep 18, 2009 8:39 AM:

" Double-talk, quadruple-talk by the Supervisors.
They continually put money into "studying the feasibility" of Napa Pipe.
They proposals 4 out of 10 including Napa Pipe.
Keith Rogal is happy.
And, then they say they are only considering the possibility of Napa Pipe.
The dots don't connect.
Straight shooting isn't being practiced. "

besmartbesafe wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:19 AM:

" Affordable housing over healthy citizens....that sounds like a fair tradeoff...NOT. Just because the environmental reports claim that the land is not toxic doesn't make it true. The Napa Pipe area is a toxic waste dump....years and years of industrial waste just being dumped into the water..... The lack of healthy fish in the Napa river should tell us something...let's see how healthy the people who move into the affordable housing are after they have been living there for a few years.... "

444888 wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:59 AM:

" It's amazing to me with so much negativity-

Downtown Napa is going through FANTASTIC changes and we, as a community of Napa are extremely lucky to have developers/investors willing to take a 'long term' commitment for our City! These projects are so expensive and I say THANK YOU for investing in our City/County of Napa- I believe we can create a thriving, exciting community. I am a huge supporter of Napa Pipe project and here is a piece of land, eye sore- entrance into 'downtown' that will connect hundreds of more people who will support our community. While saving our precious agriculture environment- ie: not more infill in City. Napa Pipe will provide affordable housing with a great vision for bike paths, goals for light rail, & reusing land that just screams for a beautiful neighborhood. Here we have a company who wants to clean up the area , provide our county and city with a win win ! Go Napa Pipe and Go Downtown Napa !!!! "

thisisnotatest wrote on Sep 18, 2009 10:50 AM:

" I think I've come to terms with the Napa pipe project. I don't want to see Napa as a mess of poorly planned projects without a clear purpose. But, then i realized it already is.
The extra population will help us. My son may even be able to get a job when he graduates. "

TAXPAYER wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Let's start with:
Who's property is it?
If you want to control it, buy it!
There is more healthy fish in the river than there has been in the last 60 years.

Have a nice day. "

Sickothis wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:12 AM:

" You betcha! "

napalove wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:18 AM:

" I for one am ecstatic that the Supervisors are finally getting on board with what the community is feeling about Napa Pipe. I think that the opportunity to put homes out there, on a large piece of concrete, close to existing roads and jobs, just makes sense. And if the city eventually wants to incorporate it, fine. Let’s just get the thing approved "

manman wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:30 AM:

" The Supervisors are showing that they have a real vision for the future of Napa by using the Napa Pipe site to fulfill our housing needs. I applaud their efforts. "

a million bucks wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:46 AM:

" If we have to build more houses, better at Napa Pipe than more suburbs on ag land. It just makes more sense - put the houses in places that are already paved over. For once the county is thinking like actual planners! "

bennyd wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:57 AM:

" The Napa Pipe development will create a sustainable and well controlled housing element for the 21st century. In conjunction with the proposed light rail system, the City and County will be able to control the influx of tourist travel with less impact and congestion on our roads. "

reason-ator wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:59 AM:

" Is there a state 'light industry' mandate that involves putting properties with unique and irreplaceable infrastructures to good use, instead of bulldozing them and creating traffic where there is no capacity to handle it ?

Perhaps if we don't want housing under the State's guidlelines we could just not build housing at all. "

Cadence wrote on Sep 18, 2009 12:01 PM:

" When the Pipe is completed, next up? There will indeed be "suburbs on ag land."
In fact, there will be residences on ag land before the Pipe is completed - not all newcomers are willing to move into townhomes.
Per the NVR, Dan Monez intends to challenge " state mandates for growth and residential density in Napa County." Finally!
If I could vote for Dan Monez, I might - in spite of his support of Napa Pipe. "

napalove wrote on Sep 18, 2009 12:10 PM:

" NAPA66: You say you "hope the younger generation would move out of this controlled valley"?! I have just as much right to be here as you - and I should be able to afford it if I'm working and making an honest living. It's the efforts of people like you that keep Napa from having housing that's affordable for young people who work because you don't want others to have what you have. But once your generation is dead and gone, if you have it your way and all the younger generations have been forced out, who'll be left??? Napa isn't just for you, and it's about time that something is being done to make it a bit more inclusive of younger people. "

besmartbesafe wrote on Sep 18, 2009 12:11 PM:

" It all sounds good...until the people who move into the houses start getting sick....the amount of junk that has been dumped out there over the past 60 + years can't possibly be good for people to live around...I'm all for improving Napa and using the land wisely. I just don't see how putting the future health of the citizens at risk is such a good idea....we'll see, only time will tell. "

Lexme2 wrote on Sep 18, 2009 12:28 PM:

" Ummm 444888, I do not know which downtown you are referring to but downtown NAPA is a ghost town. Is that the amazing change you are referring too? Maybe you are referring to all the tweakers that call downtown Napa home? I know these both sound ridiculous, but that is all that is in downtown Napa anymore so that must be what you mean. "

LMW wrote on Sep 18, 2009 12:40 PM:

" Great news! I believe something new is coming to Napa County. We have so many
committees, sub committees, commissions, non-profits, businesses,
chambers, districts....altogether we are
responsible for how Napa County looks and how it has been paved and the performance.

Time and place for everything. Now is time we allow citizens in this state to come first. we support a well thoughtout plan, good
for the people and how they will live. Whether homeowner, renter, affordable
housing tenant, it's looking at the big picture. If we wish to discuss workforce, housing, I would think a mindset that sees the needs for moving America in transportation and where we need to live is on board here cause there are residents in our existing neighborhoods that do not have the time and energy to fight for their rights at their homes. Allow thoughts for them when we vision slapping in a few
units here and there. "

Paddy wrote on Sep 18, 2009 1:27 PM:

" This project is against the desires of most Napans. The infrastructure and schools do not exist to allow for Napa Pipe to be built. I'd listen if the builder were to provide everything needed to consider this a viable development.

The 19th century mentality of pave over open space and pack people into those places is not what we need.

Napa real estate has remained relatively stable because we don't have this type of over-building. Those communities who have allowed it the past 10 years are the ones in dire straights right now. You'd think we'd learn a lesson from the mishap of others. "

napkin56 wrote on Sep 18, 2009 2:26 PM:

" Maybe they can call ti Shipyard Acres..."Shipyard Acres is just a memory today. The once-bustling community -- complete with a school, grocery store and post office -- was built by the military in an area now occupied by a cemetery and industrial development. It hosted nearly 400 single-story, three-bedroom homes that rented for $38 a month." "

winelover80 wrote on Sep 18, 2009 2:32 PM:

" I can’t believe we are still arguing about Napa Pipe. To me this whole thing is a no brainer, why put homes in the middle of existing neighborhoods when you have a big patch of empty land that can’t be used for agriculture. I was at the hearing and heard Andy Erickson speak about his support for the plan to help protect the ag preserve and to me it just makes sense. "

Jay Jacobson wrote on Sep 18, 2009 4:07 PM:

" Fellow Napkins. There will be no free lunch with respect to Napa Pipe. Each and everyone of us will need to stay vigilant over the next 25 years to assure that the Napa Pipe site is developed in complete respect of our Napa Valley environment and our special quality of life here. Obviously, the quality is not enhanced by leaving the toxic carcass of a giant manufacturing relic sitting there to rot. Neither is it enhanced by over developing housing where no legal, financial or physical infrastructure exists to support the development.

But that is our job as citizens to be part of the approval process. There is going to be development on this site and it will have to be of a kind that can pay for the mitigation of the toxic materials that are already there. They are not going to clean themselves up. Conversely, this is an 'urban' project as it is now being envisioned and must be brought into the cities sphere-of-influence and eventually annexed. Those are the rules that apply to everyone else. The development must pay its own way and further it must compensate for coming into the game late 'in the fourth quarter' when all of the existing infrastructure sewer, water, schools, public saftey, etc. have all been previously paid for.

No free lunch for Napa Pipe either. "

tazzmaster wrote on Sep 18, 2009 4:46 PM:

" Napa does not need anymore house's, Why don't they build something that will create job's for the people that already live here. "

kalinga wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:30 PM:

" So why doesn't Napa just allow regular citizens to build on their own properties--whether houses or backyard units--without persecuting them? What "anti-development means" is that no one who doesn't have very deep pockets can afford to do anything, and if you have money--millions or tens of millions--you can do whatever you want.

It was the city and county which destroyed hundreds of units of low income housing with their planning and federal money, it's these people who drive you off your land for trying to do the minimal improvements.

Why don't the county lawyers who attack average citizens fight these state mandates in court instead?

Because they are very comfortable with them, and they are happy to use any excuse to run or ruin your life.

Our Napa county and city governments are crime organizations which now exist merely to extort money from us, and to drive us away so we can be replaced with outsiders who will give them more money, who will in turn be driven away as well to bring in more victims to extort.

These bureaucrats are enslaving us.


It's all a fraud, and I fear only the second amendment, practiced by millions of americans, can save us. "

napa1957 wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:59 PM:

" Why don't we buy up the Hemlock, Cesta, So. Franklin neighborhood and build nice, affordable, open space duplex or triplex units? Swimming pool, rec room, small gym. I have no idea what the acreage is or what it would cost to purchase and develop, but it sweems like replacing lower valued 60 year old dwellings with new ones and still keep it affordable is what we should be doing to increase our available housing. "Build up...not out" "

vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:57 PM:

" I'm disappointed in some of our supervisors.

Regarding anyone who claims they will challenge state mandates - be careful that it's not lip service. HOW are they going to do this?

Also, I noticed a whole bunch of new blogging names here, all supporters of Napa Pipe, whom I've never seen post here before. How many of these were "asked" to blog here for the purpose of making it appear like there's more support for Napa Pipe than there really is? "

realitybites wrote on Oct 1, 2009 2:38 PM:

" Lot's vocal-de-local - in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Rogal empire is funding bloggers. There were certainly able to rent space in the Napa Town Center and fund door to door campainers. Napa Pipe should never be built unless and until there is a complete overhaul of our infrastructure. The roads West, South and East of Napa are crammed already. Seems like every year the county is concerned with water for the current population. Until we have upgrade the current infrastructure, no new housing should be built at the Napa Pipe proposed location. "

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