The world appears to be swirling with chaos right now. Nothing appears to be working, and all kinds of choices are presenting themselves that are non starters from the get go.
Let’s start with the health care debate, the line that pretty much sums up the situation is the Republican who said "get your government hands off my Medicare." Republican positions are a mass of contradictions, but Democratic positions are out of touch with reality.
Medicare will be bankrupt in eight short years as health costs are spinning out of control for employers and individuals, yet Democrats want to add millions of people to government care, and add preventive care. Noble causes, but according to no less than the Congressional Budget Office they will add to a cost which is already at crisis proportions.
Few commentators are yet dealing with the current reality that in 5-10 years health care will cost a third of the US economy, clearly an impossible position.
But it is not just health care. The economy is getting caught between a rock and a hard place as well. Government stimulus is what is keeping us out of a deepening recession, but as that continues deficits climb. The deteriorating economy is causing deflation over the short term, a bad sign of further weakening, but government efforts to contain it are resulting in massive debt which is eventually going to lead to huge and crippling inflation.
Which way to go?
In the midst of all this doom and gloom there is a quiet but steadily growing drum beat in the background of visionary thinkers putting the pieces together for a new world to rise out of these crumbling structures. New ideas are being put forth, those who are not afraid to see the chaos are picking through it to find their way to the light that lies beyond it.
The chaos is a crisis, and the crisis is going to get worse. But a crisis is an opportunity, and perhaps better put it is the destruction of an order that was failing anyway. The economy is forcing us to face up to problems that we have been avoiding. Is it any surprise to anyone that Social Security and Medicare are going belly up? It is painful to see the old house go down, but unless we clear away the debris we are not going to be able to build anything else in its place.
The most interesting reading now is not the political screamers of blame and partisan positioning, but those of writers who see the crisis and are already thinking past it. Books like "Reset" by Kurt Anderson and "The Tyranny of Dead Ideas" by Matt Miller, or even magazine articles like the recent piece on health care in the
Atlantic by David Goldhill are a welcome respite from the noise.
We have had so many structures in place, for our economy, health care, government, and really all areas of society, schools, the way we build, the way we run government, the environment, transportation, pension systems, all in need of fundamental change and this crisis is finally forcing upon us the needed changes. This is actually a good thing, but is also the most unfortunate way to do it because so many will be hurt in the process. But, here we are, and we need to make the most of it.
It is so important now that we listen to the positive voices, that we listen to those with a vision of how there could be a better world out of these ashes.
The problems go all the way down into our very personal lives and social systems. One area that is of vital concern is community building. The major problem with our politics and much of our culture is how isolated and fragmented we have become over the last many decades.
There was a time when people knew all their neighbors, and helped them out on a regular basis. Common values and beliefs were much more widely shared within communities. It would have been much less likely then that a man could hide an enslaved girl in his backyard for 20 years in the middle of a neighborhood.
Our politics has become a disparate collection of special interests all clamoring for special favors for their own group, increasingly at the expense of the larger community.
There is a tremendous human need for belonging that is not being met and is a primary driver of a lot of the mental illness, partisanship, and just plain weirdness that you see more than ever in the world. People are disconnected and fragmented in many ways. We want to reach out, but we don’t know how.
A stronger sense of community and belonging is a needed remedy for our political conundrum. The economy is about to force us to make some difficult choices, and unless and until we reach some kind of consensus on what our values are and what our priorities are, we will be unable to do that. We need to step out of our special interest groups and start to try to relate to and understand other people’s concerns and needs. A new ethic of doing what is best for the community is going to evolve, and not a minute too soon.
Radical change is being forced on us by our own intransigence, and by the failure of many systems of our society. In the end I believe we will be much better off, and now is the time to start building stronger senses of community, of changing our political ethic from special interest and partisan politics to a shared sense of mission.
freeport56 wrote on Sep 1, 2009 7:48 AM:
Rather than support\defend the American way of life, English as a common language that binds us all, they support small pockets of groups speaking separate languages. They support separatism.
Who cares what language they speak, illegal immigrant, who cares come on in to our country. Sure we can print 20-30 different languages on your ballot.
There has not been one country that has survived multiculturalism in history. Those joyus persons who support it never think about the consequences for the future or the sustainability of a fragmented society.
The offical language of California is English. Under the State Constitution, printing state dicuments in other languages is a violation. I would not hold my breath that the state Dems would do anything about that. "
post-it wrote on Sep 1, 2009 9:30 AM:
I guess Mr Freeport would like to return to the pre-multiculturist America where a business could put up signs that say "Irish need not apply", or where separate but equal was considered equitable. Maybe he would like to put even more limits on immigration like happened at the turn of the 1900's when people feared we would be over-run buy unrelenting immigration. When little foreign speaking parts of communities thrived and brought forth the current generation of Americans - probably his fore bearers. Maybe he can trace his history to the Mayflower, but even then, they didn't speak the native tongue either. Gees.... "
napablogger wrote on Sep 1, 2009 9:36 AM:
But it comes in so many ways, and even within the non Mexican community here, there is a lot of fragmentation. The health care debacle a few weeks ago is testimony to that, as well as the land use battles.
The vicious comments directed at Lake Lucianna backers in another article today are another testimony to that.
We have to find a way to build more consensus and sense of community. Our economic problems are going to force us to do that, if nothing else.
It is going to be a long process but I can see it coming. "
napablogger wrote on Sep 1, 2009 11:03 AM:
That means constant cuts in education and social services. I am afraid that we are at the beginning of a long deterioration and the sooner we start to deal with it the better. "
alucawanza wrote on Sep 1, 2009 2:00 PM:
http://www.babyboomercaretaker.com/elderly-law/Medicare/When-Will-Medicare-Go-Bankrupt.html "
Madison Jay Hamilton wrote on Sep 1, 2009 8:58 PM:
Expanding Medicare to include those under 65 will help to reduce medical costs.
No American should be forced into bankruptcy due to unpaid medical bills. No American should die because they can't afford medical care.
Access to health care is a right, not a privilege. Health care reform is a moral issue. Health care reform is a human rights issue.
If Americans can afford an illegal, immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq, it can afford health care for its own citizens. "
post-it wrote on Sep 2, 2009 9:43 AM:
Care to explain this quote below? or maybe one of the tea party members can explain that for us, since they quote Reagan extensively. Maybe one of them could put it on a sign at the event tomorrow.
"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."
D. Cheney to then Treasury Secretary Paul Oneil.
Or do deficits only matter when they are run up by the other party? "
napablogger wrote on Sep 2, 2009 4:08 PM:
The deficits Obama is now talking about will destroy the economy. If we reach $20 billion in federal debt the annual interest payments will approach $700 billion. There is no way that is going to do anything but turn us into a third world country. Inflation will go through the roof.
What I see is that California has hit the wall and the Feds are about five years away from it.
There is no way now that California can raise taxes high enough without hurting the economy so much that it won't work. We are between a rock and a hard place and still the legislature waffles. "
kevin wrote on Sep 2, 2009 6:17 PM:
Why Social Security Will Go Bankrupt Sooner Than People Think
By Paul B. Matthews
On May 12, 2009, the trustees for the Social Security system released their annual report,
"The 2009 Annual Report of the Board of Trustees of the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance and Federal Disability Insurance Trust Funds."
Following release of this report, many media outlets were quick to report (or should I say regurgitate) the findings sited in the trustee's executive summary -- notably that Social Security payroll tax collections would begin to exceed benefits paid in 2016, a year shorter than had been forecasted in 2008.
Although the news media were correct to convey this fact, such simplistic accounts failed to candidly state the true deterioration of the Social Security system over the past year.
For example, in their 2008 report, the Social Security trustees projected a cash surplus of $87 billion in 2009 -- a figure reduced to $19 billion this year. However, even this sharp 78% reduction in the projected Social Security cash surplus failed to illuminate the nonsensical statistical assumptions used by the trustees in the prognostications -- assumptions so unfathomable they make the 2009 trustee report virtually useless.
Employment and Wages
Social Security tax collections are dependant upon two factors: the level of employment and the level of wages. If more people are working, then naturally payroll tax collections from employees and employers are higher. Moreover, as wages increase, at least up to the OASDI cap level ($106,800 for 2009), then payroll tax collections too will increase.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/why_social_security_will_go_ba.html "
post-it wrote on Sep 2, 2009 10:24 PM:
there seems to be a simple choice when it comes to social security. Since the 6% of the population that makes more than the 106k max for SS tax takes home 1/3 of all wages in the US, we need to either raise the limiit or find a way to pay the 94% more. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 3, 2009 12:31 PM:
What we are seeing played out here is the "starve the beast" philosophy that gained ascendancy with Regan. The idea that all Government is bad, taxes are bad, that entitlement programs are for the lazy, weak and non-productive. We now have shrunk the governments revenue to the point where it can not support it's programs. It's pure Grover Norquist.
The thing is, what makes the right think that the elderly will take this lying down? Do you all think that they will quietly find their places on those ice flows?
I believe that people over 65 are the largest voting block in this country. The biggest reason Obama's efforts to reform health care is in trouble is that he lost the support of retirees. The right has convinced them that medicare will be sacrificed to pay for it. I can't blame them really.
What happens in 5 or 10 years when Granny's Medicare is cut off? What will Grandpa do when he isn't getting his Social Security check?
You think town hall meetings are ugly now? Just wait. "
Todd Adams wrote on Sep 3, 2009 5:57 PM:
Todd Adams wrote on Sep 3, 2009 5:58 PM:
Here's where our Federal tax dollars go:
Social Security - 21.0%
Defense - 16.6%
Medicare - 13.3%
Unemployment/Welfare - 11.2%
Interest on Debt - 9.0%
Medicaid and SCHIP - 7.2%
War on Terror - 5.0%
Health and Human Services - 2.4%
Education - 1.9%
Other on-budget Discretionary Spending - 1.8%
Veteran Affairs - 1.4%
Other off-budget Discretionary Spending - 1.3%
Housing and Urban Development - 1.2%
State and International Programs - 1.2%
Homeland Security - 1.2%
Energy Dept - 0.8%
Justice Dept - 0.7%
Dept of Agriculture - 0.7%
NASA - 0.6%
Dept of Transportation - 0.4%
Treasury Dept - 0.4%
Dept of interior - 0.4%
Dept of Labor - 0.4%
If you added the Dept of Defense and the War on Terror together it would surpass Social Security as the largest fraction of our Federal Taxes. Our total spending on defense is approximately $650 BILLION PER YEAR. We spend 9 times as much on our military than the second-ranking country: Great Britain. If we look at potential enemies, China is ranked 4th in spending at $58 Billion and Russia is ranked 8th at $36 Billion per year.
These numbers clearly explain why we are the only country who does not provide universal health care to its citizens. I guess our allies have different priorities. "
Todd Adams wrote on Sep 3, 2009 6:38 PM:
Robert Gates and president Obama had to push hard on Democrats and Republicans in Congress to make modest cuts to the F-22 fighter jet program because the parts are manufactured in 44 states. Those in Congress cry that the cuts would cost them manufacturing jobs in their state.
This is an outrageous misallocation of our federal tax dollars. Instead of spending this money to build a weapon that has little use I would rather see my taxes go to pay for new hospitals, doctors, and nurses to care for our fellow human beings. Many people would agree, but this option is rarely discussed, let alone debated, in public. "
glenroy wrote on Sep 4, 2009 8:10 AM:
4gnapan wrote on Sep 4, 2009 8:46 AM:
that 5% could fund quite a bit. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 4, 2009 11:14 AM:
Sandra wrote on Sep 4, 2009 11:28 AM:
Hey, here's a thought, lets get our debt lowered, instead of increasing it. "
Bill wrote on Sep 4, 2009 1:06 PM:
I missed where you took your info?
Add homeland security to defense and the war on terror plus a big part of discretionary spending and you have even more.
We can't afford to care for our own citizens because so many prefer to throw our money down the rat hole of Iraq in the belief that any democracy will prompt the tribal medieval societies of the middle east to be come better international actors. "
kevin wrote on Sep 4, 2009 4:48 PM:
Otherwise in 50 years the Muslims are poised to take over the world without firing a shot, simply by overbreeding... "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 5, 2009 7:36 AM:
" We have to address the Islamic threat NOW.
Otherwise in 50 years the Muslims are poised to take over the world without firing a shot, simply by overbreeding... "
Please attempt to integrate this kind of thinking with the threat of latinos taking over our country with their large families!
Which scarecrow is the Republican Threat of the Week(TM)?
~Ruff "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 5, 2009 8:25 AM:
However, since Republicans cling to the 'Death Panel' liars far more tightly than their grip on reality, I must admit that I've found it tough going.
"Birthers" who continue to deny that Obama is a US citizen can not become part of the rational community.
"Deathers" who cling to the notion that healthcare reform is a secret plot to kill Granny can not claim to be members of the rational community either.
The list of Republican 'pet lies' is nearly endless and next week there will be more ridiculous obnoxious and fundamentally dishonest bunkum.
So I must continue to remain in the community with folks who use their brains for more than keeping their ears apart.
~Ruff "
Todd Adams wrote on Sep 5, 2009 9:39 AM:
I believe the point of MHs commentary was the need to reassess our priorities as a nation, otherwise we will collapse under our debt. The logical place to start is with the Federal budget. My guess is that the Federal budget is more a reflection of special interst groups than the priorities of most Americans.
In my opinion, the amount that we spend on the military is disproportionate to the threats that we face. Our top threats include terrorists, North Korea, and Iran. Russia may be a potential threat as well and perhaps Pakistan, but do we really need to spend $650 Billion each year on defense?
I'm not an expert on such things, but I would guess that we could cut $300 - $400 Billion from defense spending and maintain the same level of security. Even with such a drastic cut we would still spend 4-5 times as much on defense as Russia or China. More importantly, we could pay off our debts, ensure that every American has health insurance, and give the middle class a tax cut. "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 5, 2009 12:49 PM:
Sandra wrote on Sep 6, 2009 4:40 PM:
I did not miss your point. I understood what you said, I just think your scope was narrow. I think our country should live within it's budget, just like I have to live withing mine. I think just about every aspect on our countries budget could be reworked to save money. Our defense budget wastes money, but so does social services, so does education, waste is rampent across the board. Too much government, and too little responsible behavior....... not just by our government, by by the citizens of it. People are out for what they can take, instead of giving back. It self perpetuates...bureaucracy run amouk. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 7, 2009 8:26 AM:
a teacher wrote on Sep 7, 2009 8:34 AM:
The fact that English is the Official language means that all official business is conducted in English. If does not mean that documents may not be printed in other languages. That would be a public service for those of us whose grasp of English is less firm.
I am begining to wonder if you guys understand what a constitution is. "
Todd Adams wrote on Sep 7, 2009 11:14 AM:
Todd Adams wrote on Sep 7, 2009 11:31 AM:
The benefits we receive from our extrordinary defense spending is not so apparent. National security is as important or more important than other services the Federal government provides, but the fact that we spend almost as much on defense as all the other countries in the world combined makes me wonder if we could have an equal amount of protection while spending half as much money. If half of our defense spending is waste then we could cut 10% from the federal budget. Now those are no small potatoes. "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 7, 2009 7:28 PM:
History books (the good ones), teachers, grandfathers, fathers, uncles (who have fought in wars and seen a lot), a few choice forwards, and google search. You're the one that's parroting. I came up with a solution that looks way better than anything your beloved BHO has thought of.
What do you suggest we do? Continue to donate money to foreign countries without knowing if it even makes it past their gov't? Continue to spend blindly like a 10 year old with a credit card in a candy shop? Continue to give our help to countries who have never helped us?
Most of the time it's good to be "selfish".
I know I've won when people try to make me back down by using my age against me. You can stop trying to fool me. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 8, 2009 6:37 AM:
I guess you're precocious.
FYI - Last year the USA spent $28 billion on foreign aid, less than 1% of the total budget. Most of it goes to strategic allies, like Israel, the largest recipriant. As a total, it's the largest. As a percent of GDP it's amongst the lowest. Individually, however, American citizens are pretty generous.
Bottom line, we don't spend a lot of money helping other countries. "
freeport56 wrote on Sep 8, 2009 1:20 PM:
In 2005 Americans, not our Government, gave $254 Billion in donnations world wide.
So who say we do not help? Does that aid stat you mention consider the sale food stuffs and grains? Does it mentyion the great work of hundreds of American NGO's working globally to help mankind?
Who says we should be giving this kind of aid when so much poverty is here at home. What is the number, 300,000 kids in the bay area go to bed hungry every night!
to your last line, bull! "
a teacher wrote on Sep 8, 2009 2:24 PM:
"As a total, it's the largest. As a percent of GDP it's amongst the lowest. Individually, however, American citizens are pretty generous."
Please note the last sentence. I agree with your point by the way...
"Who says we should be giving this kind of aid when so much poverty is here at home. What is the number, 300,000 kids in the bay area go to bed hungry every night!"
It seems incongruous to me that we spend so much overseas but maybe not so much at home.
As for the last sentence, i was referring to the government. Most Americans seem to think the number is MUCH bigger when it is actually quite small. "
freeport56 wrote on Sep 8, 2009 2:55 PM:
I know what you mean, however, when you compare the amount that other countries give....the U.S. is way over the top.
Hey, but a billion dollars in Zambia goes alot farther there than here. "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 8, 2009 5:31 PM:
I know a lot more about anything than ANYONE in my grade.
Anyways... we shouldn't be giving ANY money to ANY countries until we are of debt and back on top. Remember Bush saying how much many we gave for AIDS in Africa over the years? What if instead of going towards something that is almost impossible to control, all that money went to, oh I don't know, preventing good teachers from being laid off? Towards new roads?
$28 BILLION is a LOT of money. That could buy around 280,000 people a Bugatti Veyron. It might even buy most everyone in the US a Honda Civic. It IS a TON of money.
I'm not just talking about Foreign Aid, I'm talking about all the waste. Like the money from the desks around a year ago. How many teachers' salaries could that have paid? How many roads could that have fixed? How many poor kids could that have fed? You're a math teacher, so do the math. How much money from gov't waste and UNNECESSARY programs could we have saved??? "
a teacher wrote on Sep 8, 2009 6:37 PM:
Claiming that you are way smarter than the other 8th graders gives you bragging rights in the 8th grade, but no where else.
I have no doubt that you can give many of us older people a good run, but,tThe list of things you have yet to do and can't do is staggeringly long. Before you make statements like "former greatness of our country" as if you lived it, you should think about whether you've dug into that list enough. "
freeport56 wrote on Sep 9, 2009 9:41 AM:
yes we understand what a Constitution is and the California Constitution clearly states what the violations are for not following the that Law. If they do not speak english, how can they be citizens?
Since the citizenship test is in english, which has to be learned to pass the test!!
by the way, when you compare GDP's of the U.S. v other countries, it should have amazed you at the wealth of this nation. That is the reason our GDP percentage looks so small, because our wealth is tremendous. Cap & Trade will cost Americans in the neighborhood $9 Trillion in new taxes. that should pretty much wipe out that wealth.
Yipee, we gonna be a third world nation. Nothing could be finer than going back 400 years. Way to go libbies! "
Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2009 11:54 AM:
Sickothis wrote on Sep 9, 2009 1:33 PM:
Pretty straightforward question, doncha think? "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 9, 2009 3:52 PM:
We should be helping our own before we help others. You can't win any other way. You can't bite off more than you can chew. It doesn't work. You choke, and then you die (Hello, debt).
Teach-
I normally don't brag, I simply show what I have learned. I made the school soccer team today, while others who continuously bragged about their "skizzles" (don't ask. Invented words rock.) got cut.
You say that I wasn't alive to know what our country was like, but many people were. They wrote it down. I read it. I heard stories. I saw it portrayed in movies. It was awesome. You teach 7th grade math, so I assume that sometime this year you will teach Pythagorean Theorem? You weren't alive to see what Pythagoras (that was his name, right?) did, so you can't POSSIBLY know about it. I mean, it's not like reading summaries of his work will give you an accurate idea of what he found, right?
You only addressed my first sentence. I'm waiting for the rest. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 9, 2009 8:15 PM:
Even though $28 billion is a huge amount of money to you or me (it would make CA's budget problem go away. For this year), it's pocket change compared to the actual operating costs of our country. It's the same with "waste". You notice people rarely quantify "waste", they just imply that it's huge. However, when actual numbers are thrown around, it turns out not to be so large as a percent of the original amount. Remember the pork from the 2008 budget? Turned out it was $18 billion out of $1 trillion, much less than 1%.
The fact is that most money goes where it's supposed to, paying for things the American public wants it's government to do. All this talk about waste and fraud is a smoke screen to avoid talking about the real issue - People want government to do things, those things need to be paid for. It's about priorities and responsibility.
If politicians were honest they would say "If this is what you want, how do YOU propose to pay for it". I Americans were more mature, they would demand that. Sadly neither is true so we fiddle while Rome burns. "
Todd Adams wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:30 AM:
It's difficult to take these people who claim "government waste" seriously when they ignore 20% of the total federal budget.
I don't think I've ever heard a conservative, except Ron Paul, President Eisenhower, and a few others, suggest that defense spending should be cut. The majority of the Democrats in Congress ignore or are afraid to speak out on this issue as well.
I tried to figure out what our defense spending actually pays for, but I couldn't find much in a few Google searches. Perhaps this would be a great assignment for diehard4ever. Can you help us out diehard? "
kevin wrote on Sep 10, 2009 7:20 AM:
THAT doesn't cost ANYTHING! "
napablogger wrote on Sep 10, 2009 9:17 AM:
Too many people just speil things they have heard from others without thinking them through. We can't know everything but we have to have a civil discussion for starters, and repeating mindless slogans heard from those intentionally fear mongering to get attention for themselves is not the basis for community.
Yes, the first order of business is where are we going to cut spending and get the debt under control. It has become the focal point for what is in many ways a crisis of civility. I agree that we have enough money if we share, and we are going to have to find a way to share.
Saying this, you can see how disappointed I am by the Republicans approach to health care including Congressman Wilson's shout out last night. That is a loser strategy that is not going to get us anywhere, even though I share many of their concerns about costs.
I think these blogs are actually an excellent way to get that dialogue going, because I think it exposes both sides to the opinions of the other that usually they never see.
btw, good comments Todd. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 10, 2009 11:45 AM:
Conservatives argue that democrats buy votes through programs like medicare.
It all goes back to honesty and maturity.
Kevin - so i take it you don't want a military, roads, laws, courts, or any other of the things the federal government does.
If we got rid of Uncle Sam, we'd be sending our money to Uncle Arnie. If we got rid of him, we'd be sending it to whoever ran the Napa County government.
I suppose ultimately if we followed your train of though we'd be cowering in our basement bunkers hoping the neighbors weren't better armed... "
post-it wrote on Sep 10, 2009 4:33 PM:
the concern of special interests taking over the government has been a concern for many years. Teddy Rosevelt spoke of it in his "New Nationalism" speech on 1910. While this speech is nearly 100 years old, some of his points are a salient as back then:
At many stages in the advance of humanity, this conflict between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess is the central condition of progress. In our day it appears as the struggle of freemen to gain and hold the right of self-government as against the special interests, who twist the methods of free government into machinery for defeating the popular will. At every stage, and under all circumstances, the essence of the struggle is to equalize opportunity, destroy privilege, and give to the life and citizenship of every individual the highest possible value both to himself and to the commonwealth. That is nothing new
Whole Speech:
http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=501 "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 10, 2009 5:52 PM:
"so i take it you don't want a military, roads, laws, courts, or any other of the things the federal government does."
Our roads are bad and need repairs. Our courts don't give harsh enough punishments to prevent crimes. Our laws aren't upheld as well as they should be, and if you have money you can dodge them. Our military isn't allowed to shoot unless they pretty much as the terrorist/enemy if they can shoot (same with the Police Force). WelFare is being greatly abused. Social Security is becoming bankrupt. What have the Feds done right?
In response to your comment to me:
Doesn't every penny make a difference? Like I said before, how many teachers could we have prevented from being laid off with the money from those desks? "little" things like these are why our country is in debt. We don't value our money enough. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:29 PM:
I believe that the USA has the highest incarceration rate in the free world, plus capital punishment. How are our laws lenient?
Last week an American air strike in Afghanistan took out some Taliban guerrillas and about 50 Afghan civilians. Meanwhile, we are conducting Predator strikes against Al Qeda targets in Pakistan, an ally. How exactly is our military being held back?
Social security may be running into financial trouble, but for 70 plus years it has kept seniors, who were previously the largest group of impoverished people in the USA, out of poverty. I would call that a success.
If our roads aren't up to your standards, may be we should spend money on them.
Perhaps the high crime you feel we are enduring is a symptom of a lack of social justice (actually, crime now is far, far lower than it was when I was your age).
Perhaps we need to restrain our military because it's hard to win the hearts and minds of people whilst you're killing them. That is unless you're advocating genocide.
Maybe we have to examine the finances of social security. I doubt you'll get far trying to convince people that we should get rid of it. The elderly don't like eating cat food.
It's one thing to listen to the likes of Micheal Savage and another to know what you are talking about. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:33 PM:
Of course we should seek to be more efficient. However if you think that is the cure for all our ills, you are greatly underestimating the cost of keeping things running. "
Alter ego wrote on Sep 11, 2009 12:05 PM:
Obviously you haven't been reading any newspapers lately.
The name Phillip Garrido ring any bells?
He served 7 months for 5 years to life conviction for rape.
He served 10 years on a 50 year sentence for kidnapping! "
a teacher wrote on Sep 11, 2009 1:50 PM:
If you can't argue logically, you should stay out of it. "
alucawanza wrote on Sep 11, 2009 3:09 PM:
Please remember that old saying:
I refuse to have a war of wits with an unarmed person... I admire your logic, restraint, and perseverance.
Have a nice weekend. "
Bill wrote on Sep 11, 2009 4:00 PM:
The search for community is always difficult and runs the eminent danger of seeking to define that community so restrictively as to create a narrow belief system where we are all type cast. Should it truly come to pass that either Social Security or Medicare are unsustainable then another system will be developed. The refusal to sustain and augment either of these will lead to a much more fractured community and quite possibly a bloody uncivil war.
The polarization is all ready apparent and the lessons of 1919 and the McCarthy years have been readily forgotten. Imagine the current crisis without the few security net works such as unemployment, workmen’s compensation, Medicaid and yes welfare payments to mothers of dependent children. Imagine a U.S.A. with no security benefits for orphans or widows. The abandonment of these remedial functions would not promote the best interests of our citizens or our country. All the poorly functioning programs we have in place gone and replaced with privatization serving the god of competition will do is read us to the abyss of cutthroat warfare.
Current appeals to fear and cries of socialization are not productive but intended to defeat any attempt to address the problems facing us as a people. Dire predictions of bankruptcy and wishful thinking about returning to a glorious past are the tools of demagoguery. "
kevin wrote on Sep 11, 2009 8:41 PM:
hey ateacher, you're a (government employee, Liberal, Democrat, fill in the blank). How would you know what America once was?
How condescending and rude. This country is lucky to have young people like Angelina who have not been kowtowed by our so called education system... "
a teacher wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:27 AM:
And I' ll tell you what. At least I give Ms. Gervasio respect and treat her as an equal. Even if my critique is that she is a child and lacks perspective, it's honest, real and heart felt. I respect her enough to fully engage her. That's more than she gets from you guys. All you do is pat her on the back for parroting the party line. God forbid she ever deviates from that. "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 12, 2009 8:05 AM:
So you think that, since we don't have a perfect world, we shouldn't even TRY to get rid of the waste? Wow. That's seriously...pathetic.
It seems to me that many napkins enjoy complaining about the roads when they get bored.
How many articles have you seen (just on NVR Business and World) on the left side of the page about soldiers being on trial for "causing unnecessary pain/death"? Because I've seen A LOT. It seems that the gov't cares more about not irritating Middle Eastern gov't than they are in winning the war (which we could easily end with maybe 2 Atomic Bombs. Japan hasn't bothered us). Anyways, most of the people have been brain washed to hate us. We can't change that.
Social Security need to be made more effective, I appreciate the idea if it, but it need to be fixed.
ALSO, You can get put in jail for not paying a speeding ticket. I think that makes the incarceration rate pretty high. Besides, third world countries simply run over your arm when you steal, or shoot you. They are trigger happy when it comes to killing *fairly* innocents.
Alter Ego-
Thank You. My point exactly. And he's not the only one. it seems like most of the pervy sexual predators get let go. I would like to see them in jail with the "hard-cores", who will severely injure them by using them as punching bags since they don't have any respect for their type.
Kevin-
Thank You. I honestly think he is parroting more than I am.
Bill-
It's not wishful thinking if you do it and it works. It's reality. "
steph wrote on Sep 12, 2009 8:42 AM:
Then 9% of our budget (so far) is spent servicing debt.
But do the math--just massive amounts of money dedicated to welfare and very, very little dedicated to EDUCATION, highways, ENERGY.
Any wonder why this country is in such bad shape?
What is China doing with their budget? Besides defense spending?
As for the 5% devoted to the "War on Terror" (instead of spent BRINGING US non-oil-based energy), the Marin IJ ran a shocking article yesterday. How could anyone read this article and still have any faith in our government?
I'm just flabbergasted that any of you still think that government "organization" is any kind of answer.
http://www.marinij.com/marinnews/ci_13313768?IADID=Search-www.marinij.com-www.marinij.com
KNOCK-KNOCK! Anyone in there??
As for community-building? My favorite place is at schools, along the soccer sidelines (practicing a little Español), or at work. "
Bill wrote on Sep 12, 2009 10:48 AM:
This is where so much commentary fails, by attempting to justify opinions through the imagined authority of expertise. “I am the smartest one in my class, A doctor or a teacher or a business person" or any one else who, with the power granted to them because they are who they are their opinions bear more gravitas.
Wishing to express an honest opinion should not be confused with etiquette as censorship because rudeness and arrogance are acceptable forms of presentation. Fawningly catering to an ill formed opinion seeks only to indirectly reinforce your own prejudices. It is the attempt to solidify the verity of ones belief because the other obviously does not find your particular situation as lending any credence to your argument.
If you want to play out here don’t hide behind age or sex and then expect to be defended because after all you are a child or a woman or a geriatric patient. "
steph wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:43 AM:
China is investing in its future.
We are borrowing money and God knows what else from China.
And we have people screaming for more--more! Gimme more!
It's just sick.
The obesity problem in this country is a very visible metaphor for what is wrong with our society and an indication of our future.
How about a nice helping of our children's future. Mmmm...that goes down nice, doesn't it? Kinda makes you want more? "
a teacher wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:35 PM:
"So you think that, since we don't have a perfect world, we shouldn't even TRY to get rid of the waste? Wow. That's seriously...pathetic."
Let me cut and paste what I wrote
"Of course we should seek to be more efficient. However if you think that is the cure for all our ills, you are greatly underestimating the cost of keeping things running. "
"How many articles have you seen (just on NVR Business and World) on the left side of the page about soldiers being on trial for "causing unnecessary pain/death"?"
Really? How many? I have to say I haven't seen that many. The ones I have seen seem warranted. For instance, the squad of soldiers prosecuted for murdering an Iraqi family to cover up the rape of their 14 year old daughter.In fact, given the size of the forces involved, the length of the war and the enormous number of civilian casualties, you'd think there would be more. War is a brutal business and brings out the worst in the best of people.
Are you advocating genocide as a foreign policy? It's true, we could probably wipe most of our enemies and potential enemies (and people we just don't like), off the map with a few strategically placed nukes. It would probably only cost us a third of our population. You should listen to Randy Newman's song - Political Science.
"Besides, third world countries simply run over your arm when you steal, or shoot you. They are trigger happy when it comes to killing *fairly* innocents."
Which countries would those be? Running over your arm is a new one for me. What's that got to do with anything, anyway? "
a teacher wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:08 PM:
I have 53 years of experience that informs my opinions. They are not sound bites. I don't need Obama to tell me health care expenses are a problem, I pay the bills. I have to worry about this stuff.
I've been in love, married, divorced. I've raised children. I buried a parent and I've buried a child. I've owned a house and lost it. I've spent extended periods out of the country and lived in every region of this country. I've lived life. My opinions have been earned the hard way, not parroted.
Being young and inexperienced does not mean you have no right to an opinion. However, youth needs to acknowledge that most of the opinions they hold are the opinions of others and not their own. It's your certainty about things you can't possibly have experienced that I object to.
The best writing advice I've gotten is to write about what I know. So I write about education. You're at your best when you write about being a student and a young lady. When you write about adult things, sometimes it's a bit much. "
alucawanza wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:59 PM:
I can tell the depth of knowledge a teacher has about this country by the quality of his posts. Teachers actually finish at least five years of college, and judging by his posts, a teacher has also lived through this country's history as well as studied it.
Your post to a teacher is condescending and rude. The pot calling the kettle black??
Read Angelina's last post. It is full of misinformation and lack of knowledge. Two atomic bombs?? Come on. Why don't you help her out instead of picking on the knowledgeable a teacher who is trying to be polite.
I've stopped responding to Angelina. A teacher is much more tolerant than I am. "
steph wrote on Sep 12, 2009 5:37 PM:
Without age and experience, you don't know what you don't know.
The older you get, and, ironically, the more you learn, the more you realize how very little you know for certain--of how small and insignificant you really are. That there are people way better and way worse off than you. That is humility.
But you know that already.
Be patient with the young. "
littlered56 wrote on Sep 13, 2009 2:43 PM:
So if Bush had not invaded Iraqi over lies of weapons of mass distruction we would not be spending 5 BILLIION dollars a week in the war. There are hundreds of Americans who had their limbs blown off because we sent them into harms was with inferior armourment. Then Bush signed off on decreasing the Iraqi veterans bennefits. McCain voted for it Obama voted against it.
5 B I L L I O N american dollars a week!
Not let me explain something to you..you will not learn in what ever school you go to..there is this little thing called CLASS...people choose to have it and show it or they choose not to have it and not to show it!
There is no school in the country that teaches rudeness is an indication of intelligence or superior knowledge, quite the oppisite is taught in most schools.
Our President spoke of both parties working together wiith civilitey, civilitey is a sigh of mature intelligenc.
"A Teacher " was gracious in her writtings and stated her thoughts and opnions with grace and civilitey.
I personally thing the civil thing would be to apologize to "A Teacher" and were you my child I4BtRQ would encourage you to read as much as you possible can about both the republican and democrate and independed parties and our American History and to always keep an open mind so you can actually learn new thoughts and ideas. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 13, 2009 5:57 PM:
funnyme wrote on Sep 13, 2009 7:23 PM:
a teacher wrote on Sep 13, 2009 7:48 PM:
Paddy wrote on Sep 14, 2009 2:25 PM:
alucawanza - yes, two atomic bombs. Nagasaki and Hiroshima... "
post-it wrote on Sep 14, 2009 3:25 PM:
Angelina intimated that a couple well placed nukes in the middle east would "solve" that problem, she was only referring to Nagasaki and Hiroshima in that they haven't attacked us since we nuked them in WWII. "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 14, 2009 7:48 PM:
Thank you.
post-it-
Weren't they atomics? Ah, well, doesn't really matter. They haven't tried to kill us since then, so I'm guessing it worked. I know it's REALLY sad that lots of innocent people died, but now future generations can live (fairly) peacefully, and the US is now safe from attacks by Japan. There is a price to pay for everything. This was a large one, but worth it.
littlered-
We went into war because they bombed our Twin Towers, our Pentagon, nearly our White House and KILLED 3,000 people. 3,00 is a big number, too. Yeah, we could of run the war a lot better (as in more firepower, among other things), but what's done is done. We can use what has worked now and save money, or lose the war to terrorist scum.
alu-
You don't have to stop. I can take a hit. I'm in Middle School. It's basically "have thick skin or be publicly embarrassed by random people" country.
teach-
LOL. I keep putting 'she', too. I have absolutely NO IDEA why. "
alucawanza wrote on Sep 15, 2009 2:11 PM:
http://www.world-war-2.info/atomic-bomb/
World War II was very different than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It has been estimated that 100,000 U.S. soldiers were saved by using the two bombs. But they did indiscriminately kill civilian men, women, and children. Yes, it was a large price.
I feel very ambivalent about the use of the two bombs. On one hand I feel that President Truman was incredibly brave to order this action. On the other hand the result was terrible. Some feel or know that the Japanese were ready to surrender anyway.
Angelilna: We can't speak lightly about the use of atomic or hydrogen bombs. "
littlered56 wrote on Sep 15, 2009 8:35 PM:
You do know that Iraq and Saudi Arabia are two different countries????
For the record my daughter lost 11 of her colleagues in the twin towers. I happen to know more about that matter than you do.
Not one single person from Iraq was involved with the planes that hit the towers or pentagone or crashed in Pa.
I stand by my statement we send $ 5 billion dollars a week in a war we were lied into. Terrorist scum? Hummm so how come Osama Ben lodins family were allowed to fly out of the us after Bush banned all flight in the us?? Humm??? Use what has worked now...inferior armourment??? humm..
I'M sorry but I think you need to read up on Weapons of mass distructin and where Ben lodin is from. "
Raven wrote on Sep 16, 2009 6:27 AM:
well, lets start here the two nuclear weapon ended the war; what prevented any future attacks was the linking, economically and politically, of the US and Japan....(and not allowing them to rebuild any offensive armed forces, with the US guaranteeing Japan's security) The example of what nuclear weapons can do didn't stop the Korean war just 5 years later or any other number of armed conflicts since then....
(btw.....conventional bombing killed many many more civilians in Japan than both nuclear weapons did....for example, 335 B-29s took off to raid on the night of 9–10 March, 1945. Approximately 16 square miles of the city were destroyed and some 100,000 people are estimated to have died in the resulting firestorm, more than the immediate deaths of either the Hiroshima or Nagasaki atomic bombs. That was one of many firebombing raids just on Japans, which million many times over the number of people lost with the nuclear weapons. Of course the idea for the firebombing was taken after the massive raids on German cities like Dresden. So much for the deterrent effect of mass destruction.)
let us see now,....oh yeah....attacking Iraq because of the twin towers....Iraq had no connection to the attacks and the Bush administration tossed out the unsubstantiated rumors as one more element to convince the US that we 'needed' to invade.
As for running the war, simply increasing firepower little, just out of curiosity, what do you think that would achieve, what weapons would you advocate, besides your fascination with nuclear weapons.....your experience in things military is what?....war is not simply violence, it is controlled violence used to achieve political aims...so again what firepower and what would you do with it?
"I can take a hit..I am in middle school..." ROFL "
kevin wrote on Sep 16, 2009 6:47 PM:
Not to be petty...
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/pdf/PLAW-107publ243.pdf "
Raven wrote on Sep 16, 2009 8:46 PM:
littlered56 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:33 PM:
I am the one who is petty because for the life of me I can not forget the sight of my friend with both legs blown off at the hips. For the life of me I do not understand respectiing any one who lied about weapons of mass distruction I am petty because I do not think war is a Republican issue or a democrat issue but rather a humane issue.
I am petty because I still beleive in my country in spite of the fear and smear tactics ranting of a few sad Americans who harbour more hatred in their hearts than respect and think evil thoughts instead of compassion.
My church teaches me to practice truth as Gods law and compassion and forgivness as good things so Kevin please forgive me I am the petty one! "
freeport56 wrote on Sep 17, 2009 4:54 PM:
I guess you have little or nor respect for Bill Clinton, hilary Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, and all of the other Democrats who originally started the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" commentary.
As it turns out 1.2 million pounds of yellowcake uranium were found in Iraq. Spun in a cetrafuge to create a gas, yellow cake uranium is the base material needed to make enriched uranium. The warhead material for an atomic bomb.
The American loss of life from Operation
Coronet, the invasion of Japan, was estimated at 1, 000,000 American lives.
Raven, my father was an 8th Air Force bomber Pilot during WWII. He told me that after the first bombing raid on Dresden they no longer needed to navigate to the city. Once they got into the air, they could see the light from the fires and flew towards it. Dresden was punishment for the Germans.
By the way, if you did not know. In war you defeat your enemy not by killing their soldiers, but by destroying their infastructure. Industry of every kind, roads, housing...etc. A friend once told that most small towns in Europe were never rebuilt.
War is ugly, brutal, and costly. But, as long as evil exists, men will go to war to stop it! "
littlered56 wrote on Sep 17, 2009 9:29 PM:
I sat in my home and watch then Secretary of State Collen Powell testify before the House about intelligence reports of Iraq having weapns of mass distruction. I supported the war because I beleived this. It never occured to me it was a lie. I also watch Bush intertaine the reported at the white house by looking under a chair for weapons of mass distruction like it was a joke.
I did not approve of what Bill Clinton but I did respect the fact he balanced the budget and had a reserve to leave for Bush. I do not hate the man. I did not support Hillary, but I do not hate her. I am dissapointed in Palosi for taking impeechment off the table. I pray in my life time Bush is impeeched, do I hate him no.
I beleive in our political system. I think there is good in both parties. Some I like more than others.
I beleive you have the right to choose who you want to vote for and so do I. I respect your rights but I have never read a word you have written that suggest you respect other peoples right to vote as they want to.
I think you are a communist and want to see our country become a one party nation.I respect you right to be what ever you choose to be. "
Raven wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:37 PM:
There is what chruchill wrote after the bombing of dresden....
The destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing. I am of the opinion that military objectives must henceforward be more strictly studied in our own interests than that of the enemy.
The Foreign Secretary has spoken to me on this subject, and I feel the need for more precise concentration upon military objectives such as oil and communications behind the immediate battle-zone, rather than on mere acts of terror and wanton destruction, however impressive. "
kevin wrote on Sep 18, 2009 7:55 PM:
freeport?
LMAO!!!
Thanks littered, that one brough tears to my eyes from laughing... "