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By Diane Montanez
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Why don’t wine bottles have CRV (California Refund Value)?
How did I not notice this before? Maybe because not until the last four years did I become an imbiber of wine? Either that or the morning after drinking I take all evidence out of the home and into the recycling bin, not wanting to assess the damage done (to my liver, that is).
According to the state Department of Conservation, alcoholic beverages subject to CRV include beer and malt beverages, wine coolers and distilled spirit coolers.
So why not include wine bottles? Mark Oldfield, a spokesman for the California Department of Conservation, said the decision on which bottles and cans are subject to the nickel-and-dime redemption law and which are not is “really a decision that happens not with the Department of Conservation, but with the Legislature.”
The CRV program began in 1987, and originally applied only to carbonated soft drinks and beer cans and bottles. Because of the explosion in the use of bottles for water, iced tea and sports drinks, this program has expanded over time to include these beverage containers, too.
Mark Murray, executive director of the advocacy group Californians Against Government Waste, said there is no good reason for excluding wine and liquor bottles. The reason they are not included, he said, “is entirely political, due to the influence of the larger corporate winemakers.”
Liquor manufacturers and those who make low-priced and fortified wines, he said, view it as a “competitive advantage” to not have the 5 or 10 cents added onto their products.
Murray said he doesn’t see lobbying opposition coming from the premium wine industry. “The smaller and family winemakers have either no objection or have been supportive” of adding wine bottles to the CRV program, he said.
Terry Hall, communications director of the Napa Valley Vintners, pointed out that winemakers and manufacturers of liquor already pay an excise tax, a manufacturing levy that is often placed on makers of alcohol and tobacco products. They can argue that they are already taxed in ways other beverage makers are not.Hall also pointed out that the recycling program was launched to get smaller-sized bottles —16 ounces and 12 ounces — off the streets and out of the gutters. This was, indeed, one of the CRV program’s intentions — to deter littering (and encourage recycling).
Gladys Horiuchi of the Wine Institute, a trade organization representing the California Wine Industry, said there is another reason wine bottles are outside the scope of the law. “California’s bottle redemption program was created to help prevent litter problems,” she wrote in an e-mail. “Since wine bottles are not considered part of the litter problem, they are not under the bottle redemption program. The wine industry supports litter prevention efforts by advocating for curbside recycling programs in rural neighborhoods and other areas that do not have these services.”
Meanwhile, the CRV program has been successful by any standard. In 2008, 16.1 billion CRV containers were recycled statewide, representing 74 percent of all 21.9 billion sold in California — that’s 1.5 billion more picked up than in 2007, according to Oldfield.
CRV paid to consumers when they recycle containers at recycling centers is 5¢ for each beverage container less than 24 ounces and 10¢ for each container 24 ounces or greater.
Bottoms up!
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Word wrote on Aug 14, 2009 10:50 AM:
It's time that wine producers step up to the plate and accept the same responsibility for their product packaging as all other drink producers. "
MyInput wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:39 PM:
whyn? wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:29 PM:
The wine industry is going to try to target men with a more macho image of wine. Maybe if more men drink wine there will be more wine bottles littering the countryside and a reason to charge the CRV! "
Thedude wrote on Aug 16, 2009 1:00 PM:
Thedude wrote on Aug 16, 2009 1:05 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Aug 16, 2009 2:46 PM:
But one thing that irks me is that this isn't a program where you pay a "deposit" on a container.
Where can you go to get the full redemption value ? I don't know of a place that gives youa nickel for a bottle that you paid a 5 cent CRV.
They do in Oregon, but not in California, right ?
In Oregon, you pay a deposit. In California, you pay a fee or a tax, and get some of the money back when you return the empty. But not all of it.
And that's why Califoria will extend its CRV program. Not to reduce litter and waste, but to collect more fees.
Isn't California great ?
I see cigarrette butts all over the place. I think they oughta add a cigarrette deposit on top of the sin taxes. "
word wrote on Aug 16, 2009 4:36 PM:
Anyone who has truly checked already knows that all certified recycling centers, included those listed in the recycling guide in every local phone book, are required by law to pay a refund value on every bottle or can labelled "CA CRV." Consumers pay the 5 cent or 10 cent deposit at the store when they purchase the drinks. They are refunded that exact amount when they return the containers to a certified recycling center. The recycling center pays on only those containers included in the CRV program.
The deposit and refund program has been remarkably successful. The containers covered by the program are recycled at much higher rates than those that are excluded. But that hasn't stopped the wine industry from working hard to keep their containers out of the program. "
word wrote on Aug 16, 2009 4:42 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:59 PM:
And each recycling center gives me exactly how much money for my bottles and cans as THEY'RE going to get for them ? And they therefore are making no money on the CRV, and are paying their employees from another income source ?
So then the recycling centers are losing money to give me my CRV back ?
OK. I think I understand. Or is there something that's not quite right here ? What am I missing ?
I just seem to remember when I was in Oregon, they counted my cans and bottles. In California, they 'weigh' them. "
Demo Cracy wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:08 AM:
Also wine bottles are not seen in roadside litter much. "
JustMy$.02 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:13 AM:
If you have a large volumn it is more timely to let them give you credit based on wieght, but if your patient enough you can feed every bottle and can you want into those machines. "
Paul Vintner wrote on Aug 18, 2009 2:49 PM:
for what it's worth, I always go to the staffed recycling centers, but I need to seperate out my wine bottles (and other non-beverage glass) in order to get paid the full CRV rate. I get nothing for the wine and other bottles, but on average the 'weight' based system pays me back the full 5 cent and 10 cent refund. Sometimes its a little more, sometimes its a little less. Most of the recycling centers will let you count out the containers if you want, but it's rarely worth the time (or getting your hands dirty). "
native74 wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:32 AM:
GeeWhiz wrote on Aug 19, 2009 1:37 PM:
MyInput wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:22 PM: