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Why don’t wine bottles have CRV (California Refund Value)?

How did I not notice this before? Maybe because not until the last four years did I become an imbiber of wine? Either that or the morning after drinking I take all evidence out of the home and into the recycling bin, not wanting to assess the damage done (to my liver, that is).
According to the state Department of Conservation, alcoholic beverages subject to CRV include beer and malt beverages, wine coolers and distilled spirit coolers.

So why not include wine bottles? Mark Oldfield, a spokesman for the California Department of Conservation, said the decision on which bottles and cans are subject to the nickel-and-dime redemption law and which are not is “really a decision that happens not with the Department of Conservation, but with the Legislature.”
The CRV program began in 1987, and originally applied only to carbonated soft drinks and beer cans and bottles. Because of the explosion in the use of bottles for water, iced tea and sports drinks, this program has expanded over time to include these beverage containers, too.

Mark Murray, executive director of the advocacy group Californians Against Government Waste, said there is no good reason for excluding wine and liquor bottles. The reason they are not included, he said, “is entirely political, due to the influence of the larger corporate winemakers.”
Liquor manufacturers and those who make low-priced and fortified wines, he said, view it as a “competitive advantage” to not have the 5 or 10 cents added onto their products.

Murray said he doesn’t see lobbying opposition coming from the premium wine industry. “The smaller and family winemakers have either no objection or have been supportive” of adding wine bottles to the CRV program, he said.

Terry Hall, communications director of the Napa Valley Vintners, pointed out that winemakers and manufacturers of liquor already pay an excise tax, a manufacturing levy that is often placed on makers of alcohol and tobacco products. They can argue that they are already taxed in ways other beverage makers are not.Hall also pointed out that the recycling program was launched to get smaller-sized bottles —16 ounces and 12 ounces — off the streets and out of the gutters. This was, indeed, one of the CRV program’s intentions — to deter littering (and encourage recycling).

Gladys Horiuchi of the Wine Institute, a trade organization representing the California Wine Industry, said there is another reason wine bottles are outside the scope of the law. “California’s bottle redemption program was created to help prevent litter problems,” she wrote in an e-mail. “Since wine bottles are not considered part of the litter problem, they are not under the bottle redemption program. The wine industry supports litter prevention efforts by advocating for curbside recycling programs in rural neighborhoods and other areas that do not have these services.”

Meanwhile, the CRV program has been successful by any standard. In 2008, 16.1 billion CRV containers were recycled statewide, representing      74 percent of all 21.9 billion sold in California — that’s 1.5 billion more picked up than in 2007, according to Oldfield.

CRV paid to consumers when they recycle containers at recycling centers is 5¢ for each beverage container less than 24 ounces and 10¢ for each container 24 ounces or greater.

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15 comment(s)

Word wrote on Aug 14, 2009 10:50 AM:

" Reading wine industry excuses for why its product packaging (wine bottles) is excluded from recycling law is like listening to fingernails on a chalkboard. The fact that winemakers are taxed for other purposes clearly has nothing to do with the objectives of the California bottle bill. This buy-back recycling system works because consumers of most drinks pay a deposit fee at the store and get reimbursement when they turn the container in at a recycling station. The fact is, there's no tax on the producer. The system gives the consumer the incentive to recycle their bottles and cans has proven to be a valuable compliment to other community programs. The bottle bill has reached its current level of success due to the participation of soda, sports drink, milk, and even bottled water producers. The special treatment given wine producers continues to weaken the effectiveness and efficiency of statewide recycling programs. Despite the industry's claims of support of recycling (your reporter forgot to ask: just how has the wine industry "promoted" curbside recycling?), wine bottles continue to be a lop-sided portion of beverage container litter and landfilled drink containers. And wine bottle recycling continues to trail the recycling rate of other drink containers.
It's time that wine producers step up to the plate and accept the same responsibility for their product packaging as all other drink producers. "

MyInput wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:39 PM:

" This is another example of wealthy wine industry execs exerting power over local and state officials. Even the beer industry participates in the California CRV program. Interestingly, while winery marketing wizards fall all over themselves to convince us of how "green" their businesses are, they fight for special exceptions from state recycling requirements. It's just another reason to drink beer! "

whyn? wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:29 PM:

" Women's DUI arrests is up 24% according to the evening news. Women drink 75% of the wine consumed according to a NPR report.
The wine industry is going to try to target men with a more macho image of wine. Maybe if more men drink wine there will be more wine bottles littering the countryside and a reason to charge the CRV! "

Thedude wrote on Aug 16, 2009 1:00 PM:

" First of all CRV is a tax. If I have one empty can and bring it down to the recycling center I will not get the 5 cents I spent on CRV at the store. The only thing that I can do is sell the bottles and cans as scrap, and California gets to keep the CRV. "

Thedude wrote on Aug 16, 2009 1:05 PM:

" "CRV paid to consumers when they recycle containers at recycling centers is 5¢ for each beverage container less than 24 ounces and 10¢ for each container 24 ounces or greater" is a lie and I don,t why this article says that because anyone who has gone to a recycling center knows thats not true, if some one knows somthing that I don't please let me know, because this has bothered me for some time. Only in Yosemite have I seen you actually get 5 cents per can. "

reason-ator wrote on Aug 16, 2009 2:46 PM:

" First, let me head of the critics by saying I recycled as much as I could before there was ever a CRV program......

But one thing that irks me is that this isn't a program where you pay a "deposit" on a container.

Where can you go to get the full redemption value ? I don't know of a place that gives youa nickel for a bottle that you paid a 5 cent CRV.

They do in Oregon, but not in California, right ?

In Oregon, you pay a deposit. In California, you pay a fee or a tax, and get some of the money back when you return the empty. But not all of it.

And that's why Califoria will extend its CRV program. Not to reduce litter and waste, but to collect more fees.

Isn't California great ?

I see cigarrette butts all over the place. I think they oughta add a cigarrette deposit on top of the sin taxes. "

word wrote on Aug 16, 2009 4:36 PM:

" If wine bottles were included in the California beverage container redemption program, they would be worth 10 cents for every 750 milliliter bottle, and 5 cents for every split-sized bottle. The refund would be required by law, as it is for every other CRV container.

Anyone who has truly checked already knows that all certified recycling centers, included those listed in the recycling guide in every local phone book, are required by law to pay a refund value on every bottle or can labelled "CA CRV." Consumers pay the 5 cent or 10 cent deposit at the store when they purchase the drinks. They are refunded that exact amount when they return the containers to a certified recycling center. The recycling center pays on only those containers included in the CRV program.

The deposit and refund program has been remarkably successful. The containers covered by the program are recycled at much higher rates than those that are excluded. But that hasn't stopped the wine industry from working hard to keep their containers out of the program. "

word wrote on Aug 16, 2009 4:42 PM:

" Thedude- you can be assured they are paying you correctly at the recycling center by using the machine at the Jackson Street center. It pays the 5 or 10 cents on every container that says CRV on it. But so should the workers at the center. You need to make sure you aren't mixing the CRV with non-CRV. "

reason-ator wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:59 PM:

" So you're saying that I get paid by the weight of my aluminum and glass at a recycling center ( which has varied from center-to-center ), and they have somehow determined how many 5-cent cans make up a pound of aluminum, how many five OR ten cent bottles make up a pound of plastic, and how many 5-cent glass bottles make up a pound of glass ? And that all glass bottles, all plastic bottles, and all aluminum cans weigh the same as any other container of the same material ?

And each recycling center gives me exactly how much money for my bottles and cans as THEY'RE going to get for them ? And they therefore are making no money on the CRV, and are paying their employees from another income source ?

So then the recycling centers are losing money to give me my CRV back ?

OK. I think I understand. Or is there something that's not quite right here ? What am I missing ?

I just seem to remember when I was in Oregon, they counted my cans and bottles. In California, they 'weigh' them. "

Demo Cracy wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:08 AM:

" The dime you would pay on a $25 bottle of wine is insignificant to that buyer. On other beverages whose price is way less it starts to matter.
Also wine bottles are not seen in roadside litter much. "

JustMy$.02 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:13 AM:

" FYI, there are 2 machines at the recycling center off Jackson St that will give you full credit for your bottles and cans. You manually feed each bottle or can into it.

If you have a large volumn it is more timely to let them give you credit based on wieght, but if your patient enough you can feed every bottle and can you want into those machines. "

Paul Vintner wrote on Aug 18, 2009 2:49 PM:

" Most all of the wineries in this area are good stewards and have long supported a recycling value on their bottles. It's the corporate wine makers that have already driven down the price and value of a bottle of wine that are complaining about paying a dime.

for what it's worth, I always go to the staffed recycling centers, but I need to seperate out my wine bottles (and other non-beverage glass) in order to get paid the full CRV rate. I get nothing for the wine and other bottles, but on average the 'weight' based system pays me back the full 5 cent and 10 cent refund. Sometimes its a little more, sometimes its a little less. Most of the recycling centers will let you count out the containers if you want, but it's rarely worth the time (or getting your hands dirty). "

native74 wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:32 AM:

" The last time I took my wine bottles to the Recycling Center I received $0.01/lb and I didn't complain...have they change the rules there? "

GeeWhiz wrote on Aug 19, 2009 1:37 PM:

" That's the problem. The wine industry has blocked inclusion of its bottles in the state recycling program, so there are a lot fewer wine bottles turned in, compared to other bottles. The wineries love to claim of so-called stewardship and promotion of recycling, but they have no evidence or results to show. The state program has proven to be very effective at increasing the recycling of all other drink bottles. Why haven't wineries big or small, done their part? "

MyInput wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:22 PM:

" Wine industry apologists who'd like to say that wine bottles aren't a litter problem might benefit by participating in a litter clean-up project on earth day or coastal clean-up day this year. It should be quite eye-opening for them. They also may want to consider where those wine bottles that are not recycled, because they're not included in the bottle bill, are ending up. Landfilling a perfectly recyclable bottle is just plain wrong. The fact is without a recycling deposit, there is little recycling. That's why the bottle recycling rate among states that don't have bottle bills is so low, like around 30-40%, compared to California where its over 75%. This is just another bogus excuse by wine producers for not participating in the state recycling program. "

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