" So we need to have a bunch of cars come to a complete stop, and then accelerate back up to speed ( wasting a bunch of gas ) so that a few residents of one street don't have to put a little effort into driving their cars ? If that works, I want a 4-way stop sign in front of my driveway, too.

The kicker in this "illogic" was the complaint that motorists trying to merge with the main stream of Browns Valley traffic look to their left, ignoring cars trying to leave Dezerai. I guess that makes it more unsafe for cars trying to leave Dezerai to pull right out in front of cars if the people they pull out in front of aren't expecting them to fail to yeild to traffic when they don't stay at the stop sign until it's safe to proceed.

This intersection was designed/reconfigured years ago, presumably with the knowledge that houses would be built in that area. I think the biggest safety hazard in that area is drivers trying to keep from hitting all the potholes. If we have to cause hundreds of cars to wear out their brakes and tires and needlessly burn tons of fuel with the extra exhaust this will cause just because a few people on one street ( who knew what this intersection was like when they bought their houses ) can't be bothered to take their turn, then we should have a traffic light down by First Christian School, also. Before we realign traffic by Delirious Court. "

" Yeah...

They put a stop sign in my neighborhood on my corner 3 years ago. You know how many people stop there? ZERO! It is a rolling 15mph stop sign. Why just the other day I saw a rarity: a Napa PD cruising my "hood" and I convinced him to stop and wait a minute or two. He got more than one stop sign runner in 15 minutes around 2pm. I only imagine the day when Napa PD hangs out there at 5pm! Talk about generating money!

Good luck with your problem Dezerai Residents! People are too busy to drive safely. "

" So the idea here is to stop traffic on a big street to allow the 8 or so residents of a court to get their way? And this improves traffic flow? This seems counterintuitive.

The residents of Dezerai Court would like to have traffic stop in front of their street rather than flow by? Because that's what will happen if the traffic is stopped at BV Road and Partrick. They won't be able to get out at all during certain times of the day because the traffic will be so backed up.

Ridiculous. "

" Now there's something tax-worthy! I live on the 3000 block of Browns Valley Road and kitty-corner from Westview. Pulling out of my driveway can be treacherous. As the road looks clear, as soon as I reverse and shist to drive, there'e a speeding vehicle on my tail. It is even more hectic pulling back into my driveway because, no matter how much warning (turn signal) and how slow zi come to turning, Somebody behind me goes zooming by, passung illegally out of possible impatience.
I also witnessed a traumatic accident at the "slingshot" when, as I was on a an evening stroll, I heard screams. Come to find out , there lied a young lady flat in the street right at thr merge. A car had hit her while she was on foot. Then, as I was making my way home, I thought to myself, "wow! That could haave been me" Before I could stop ruminating on the pedestrian accident, I was in a crosswalk and a vehicle seemed to come out of nowhere and the car came within about one foot of hitting me. I believe the nearby accident with lit up police, fire and paramedic rescuers caught the attention to the driner as he nearly hit me also.
I believe that will slow down traffic somewhat. But I would like this to be more patrolled because of stop-sign runners. "

" The Browns Valley Road drivers have a yield sign - meaning they must turn their heads to the left to see who is coming down Partrick Road. Dezerai Court is to the right - and there is not much traffic coming out of there usually - there are about 10 houses on the court - you do not think to look. And the Dezerai Court people do not have to wait that long for both Partrick Rd. and Browns Valley Road traffic to clear. This would be a waste of tax payer money for about 10 houses. "

" I drive through this area 4 or 5 times a week, and would agree that this area could be made safer - not just for those in Dezerai Ct, but for the merging traffic as well.

I think what might be most practical as well as greatly increasing safety, would be something between what currently exists and the proposed "T" that requires a full stop.

I think a "T" that had a YEILD for those turning right off of the Browns valley "spur" would be both safe and would still allow good traffic flow. This way, those comming from the spur would be at right angles to, and with a good view of the Partrick Rd. traffic, and would be able to merge in much more safely without stopping. "

" In all my years driving through Browns Valley and this intersection, I've never noticed so much traffic coming from Partrick Road into Browns Valley Road to warrant a stop sign at that merge. I can't imagine that the traffic is so great for the residents of Dezerai Court that stopping before entering Browns Valley Road is enough of an inconvenience to require the installation of a stop sign at the yield/merge near their street.

Surely the funds used for this study and installation of a stop sign could be better used elsewhere in our city. "

" Spell check is an amazing thing. Maybe then we could tell what you’re trying to say.

I think we should have the mayor order a $100k study on this subject. "

" I think this intersection is a disaster waiting to occur--when I slow down to yield to merge onto BV road, I am almost rear-ended by the vehicles following an inch behind me. The entire area of BV is overcrowded and rushed. Not long ago, a pedestrian was struck and the people who stopped to assist were almost struck by another vehicle who was too impatient to stop--that incident still amazes me--where are all of these people going to in such a rush? "

" I don't think the residents of Dezerai Ct warrant a reconfiguration. All they have to do is wait for the eastbound traffic to clear before pulling out onto BVR. What frosts me is the traffic from Buhman that, rather than yield as required by law, speed up, get ahead of everyone else, them slam on their brakes to turn left on Westview. Seems like an occasional police presence ought to take care of that. "

" This sounds like the old arguement of moving into a house next to an airport, then complaining about the flight routes of the planes. "

" Are the people making this decision the same ones who ripped up the crosswalk at Browns Valley and Austin and left the gaping holes there? And no work has been done on it in weeks...making an already unsafe situation more dangerous.

Are these the same kind of "improvements" we can expect at this intersection too? "

" I live in Browns Valley near the school and drive past Dezarai Court almost daily. I agree that traffic moves at a fast pace right there, but I would think it was the same when the residents moved in there. Maybe the City can put in a turn-a-round at Dezaria/BV Road and Partrick. They work in other cities/towns by slowing traffic down. "

" We don't need any more stop signs in this commuity.

What we do need is roundabouts. Why would a stop sign even be proposed this day in age? Why don't people get this? "

" I wonder if city officials realize that installing stop signs to control vehicle speed is actually illegal under the law. "

" I agree with the comments about making the public 'pay' for a stop sign for ten houses. Only this isn't about ten houses, its about unsafe, speeding traffic along Browns Valley Rd. The cost would be minimal (there is already a stop at Partrick/BV). Its about closing the merge lane to slow cars down. This will benefit people turning left from Westview onto BV Road, too. If people obeyed traffic laws, we'd all be a lot safer. Dezerai residents have contacted traffic control for these problems and all they got was a newly installed "no left turn" on their street or no return call at all. "

" I agree that a roundabout would be a good solution. It sure beats installing stop signs everywhere. "

" I also vote for roundabout! It has the added benefit of naturally slowing down traffic a little bit too and clear YIELD signs would need to be posted to all incoming traffic to the circle. "

" Ask the residents of Alta Heights how much they like their roundabout. Not so much. "

" what about a yield sign instead of a stop sign. Make the residents pay the bill. "

" Americans don't know how to do roundabouts. I used to know how to drive through them, but after watching people drive through them in this country, the rules seem to be different here.

But at least the accidents would be at slower speeds, even if there are more of them. "

" Reason-ator, I'm surprised at you. What's wrong with a few cars stopping in the name of safety? Share the road, friend, share the road.

jpcrash, I bet there's a "yield" sign there already, being ignored, of course. "

" The bottom line it's about more revenue. Napa has been overbuilding for years as it generates more revenue and they haven't upgraded the roads nor traffic signs to match the increases. More Bed and Breakfasts in residential areas some right next to each other due to Zoning like candlelight Inn and Stalnecker's house next door. Both on Easum Drive off of first street which leads out to Browns Valley.One in the city and the other in the County. They both generate revenue for the city but cause havoc on the neighborhood traffic and also add to the noise level. Did people complain about this situation..you betcha. If the City and county are getting property tax revenue and room revenue do they care....NO!!!!!!!!! Get real here. The citizens are not concerned in this town and never have been. The affluent win hands down. Better move before we have hotels built in the area along with a storage facility next to 7-11 on first street. Who does the planning here ? "

" Andy & mikeb.. Im with you guys!

If the residents of Dezerai Court want something done so that they dont have to wait as long getting out of their street, let them pay for it..

Save the taxpayer dollars for things that affect a greater percentage of the community... "

" If the city indulges the residents of Dezerai Court, what about the impact of that decision on all the people who live between Dezerai and Buhman? Can you imagine the backup that would create in that area.. good luck to those people being able to get out of their driveways!
Also, in front of BV Elementary at the beginning/end of the school day... cant you just picture the gridlock!
Come on Napa, dont create a massive backup for hundreds, just because of 20 or so who live on Dezerai... doesnt make sense! "

" Geez, amazed. You have tried to say that I said you need a crystal ball to drive safely, so I'm surprized that you're surprized.

And with all these cyclist-haters that are personally offended because cyclists run stop signs faster than the cyclist-haters do, I can see why the cyclist-haters would like more stop signs just so they can create more opportunity to be outraged.

But of course, you have said you're not one of those. I believe you. If you were a cyclist-hater, you'd try and introduce your cyclist-hate into a totally unrelated thread about stop signs.

Oh, wait. You just did.

Oops. Better re-iterate again how you don't have a problem with bicyclists again so I can believe you again. Sigh, again....snicker-snicker "

" It's not that difficult to get out of Dezerai Ct. It's a lot more difficult to make a left turn off Westview onto BV Rd. And yes, they do drive too fast in that area. Don't cops have to get ticket quotas anymore? That's a great place to catch them. "

" I love the napa drivers. They tailgate you even when you have your turn signal on, then get mad when you don't turn fast enough. On the freeway they tailgate until you let them pass then they slow down to the speed that you were originally driving. Honk at someone who runs a red light and you get the finger. It is a me first mentality here. There is no sharing of the roads. "

" If you think the traffic is a problem today - wait until the bulb-outs are finished at Austin & BV road. Cars turning into the shopping center near the coffee shop will not be able to pull over to the right before entering the driveway. They'll need to come to a complete stop (or close to it) which, no doubt, will create rear-enders at this location. Any analysis of traffic near Dezerai should be extended past the market! "

" Bulb-outs ?? What the french is that? "