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Friday, June 26, 2009

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Dear editor, I was sitting sick to my stomach and shaking after leaving Alston Park. I went to the dog play area with our 7-month-old Vizsla puppy, Annie. I also had my two young children with me. We were sitting and chatting watching our pup have a wonderful time playing.

I would say the dog area had about five other small to medium-size dogs running and playing. A woman and man arrived with their American Pit Bull. I immediately became alarmed because I always do.

However, I told myself to give the breed a break. It took less than 30 seconds and at my next glance over, it had a small mixed-breed dog in its mouth! People were running over and the small dog was screaming with pain. The owner’s were pulling the pit bull away with blood dripping off their hands. The pit would not let go of this little dog. I watched the entire scene; it was horrible. It seemed like several minutes — but I am sure it wasn’t — before the little dog got loose from this beast. The owner left cradling the poor little dog, which was bloody and frightened. I looked toward the owners standing with their beast and all three had the remains of blood on their hands and paws.

My kids were crying. I was crying and shaking and holding onto my dear little puppy.

People, think about what you’re doing! If you have an aggressive dog, do not bring it into a public setting! Have common sense. This was a horrific scene and I pray that this little dog will recover.

Sherill Richied / Napa

111 comment(s)

pharper wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM:

" I was at Alston a few months ago with my friend's dog, who I was watching while they were on vacation. As we sat there playing with him and petting the other dogs in the pen, a woman and a man (presumably her husband) walked up to the gate. They had a medium-sized dog, problem a collie or sheepdog mix, who was straining at his leash, barking and growling. Some dogs bark in excitement, but this dog's barks were the kind that meant business. All the other dog owners and I continued looking at this dog, hoping she didn't intend to bring him in, but she ended up doing so.

She kept the dog on a leash, but other unleashed dogs in the area ran up to greet this one, who snapped and snarled at the end of his leash while the woman chatted, presumably unaware of her dog's scary behavior. I decided to leave and take my friend's dog with me - I didn't want to be around when that dog got off-leash. As we left, I was careful to warn the elderly woman about to bring her poodle into the area about the dog.

It's not a pit bull issue, it's an owner issue. I'm always very careful to keep my dog on a leash when I go to Alston, because he's not always friendly with other dogs (he's very protective when I'm not around other people he knows). Unfortunately, other owners don't obey the rules and allow their dogs off-leash in the on-leash area, so I can't even bring my dog to walk on the trails anymore.

Anyway, my point is, don't blame the pit bull, blame the irresponsible owner. "

Hear Ye wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:11 AM:

" I happen to think Pit Bulls are wonderful dogs however you have to be cautious with them. They are so superior strength wise that when another dog provokes them they almost always "win" so to speak. You're right in that they shouldn't be loose in a dog park because if another dog gets aggressive with them it won't end well. However, they are extremely loving and friendly to people and other animals when raised correctly. "

napablogger wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:51 AM:

" ban pit bulls, buy another kind of dog. Pllease stop telling me that they are really not so bad. Get another kind of dog. Enough already. "

glenroy wrote on Jun 26, 2009 6:18 AM:

" I never understood a dog park to begin with... "

Cadence wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:07 AM:

" Don't cease to amaze me, nb. I agree with you 1000%! "

071007100710 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:19 AM:

" It's the fault of both the owner and the type of dog. Owners should never bring a pit bull to an enclosed dog area. No matter how well the dog is trained and how good it acts around children, a pit bull is unpredictable--you never know what it will do in any situation. "

sprklsunshine wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:05 AM:

" I hope the owner of the pitbull is paying the vet bill. Does anyone know how the other dog is? "

proudmama2 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:10 AM:

" Sherill- I heard your story from a mutual friend and I have to tell you that I am sorry that you and your family had to observe such a disturbing thing. I am hoping that the owner of the Pit takes full responsibility for his dogs actions and that the injured dog recovers. I am just glad that a child was not injured.

A fellow dog lover. "

LocalNapa wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:14 AM:

" I absolutely blame the pit bull AND the owner! Are you kidding me?? I do not want that breed near me or my family. If your dog is "not always friendly with other dogs" then dont bring him around other dogs! As an owner, I dont' know you or trust in your abilities to keep him from attacking me, my family or pets. It is your issue and it frankly does not need to become mine! The arguement a pit bulls nature (peaceful or agressive) is determined by their owners simply does not hold water with me. "

NapaCitizen wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:42 AM:

" I am always cautious about the temperament of dogs in the park. Especially in the "off leash pen" area.

Many owners sit ready books or chatting and are totally NOT aware of their dog's behavior.

I've left many times as soon as aggresive dogs show themselves, and actually use the park on non-peak hours as a result.

C'mon people! Know your dog and DON'T bring them around other dogs if they don't get along.

I'd be suing the Pit Bull owner if I were the owner of the small dog. Or perhaps just bite them.... "

Napan since 1965 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:14 AM:

" I can strongly relate to the comments made here about pit bulls. I had the misfortune to have one living on the other side of my fence for several months. I couldn't even allow my own dog outside in his own backyard alone, because if the pit bull was outside, it would sense his presence and jump against the fence, making sounds I had never heard from another dog! It was absolutely terrifying!

Unfortunately, the fence was old and slightly less than 6 ft. high, and the weight of the pit bull broke off one of the fence posts at ground level, making the fence itself insecure and unsafe.

Because of the very real safety issue for both my dog and myself, I ended up having to replace the fence with a 7 ft. fence (the recommendation of an Animal Control officer), at a cost of well over $2,000.00!! And to add insult to injury, the absentee owner--who permitted her tenant to keep the dog, over my objections--refused to pay her fair share of the replacement cost!

My vote would be to ban pit bulls from the dog park, as a result of this incident. I sincerely hope that little dog will survive, but it will probably never be the same, even if it does survive. SO SAD!! "

4gnapan wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 AM:

" Dogs are a result of thier breeding and training..
some breeds have innate abilities and tendencies..
If an owner of a breed like "pit bull" doesnt acknowledge this, and raise and train the dog accordingly, It is NOT the dog's fault.
I raised a pit/lab cross from a handful of puppy into the sweetest old man. He never attacked, not once in his entire life. He did defend himself once or twice when others jumped him (hm.. a shepherd, and a boxer are the two i remember, both at alston.) and yet, People always scowled at him, or shied to the far side of the path because the "dangerous pit bull" was approaching... as he looked at them totally unconcerned.
In my experience with dogs I've had more incidents with Shepherds and chihuahua's... but since neither of those breeds has the strength of a bulls bite, they rarely get the press.
Pasting a label on the breed is wrong. Incidents like this arent the dog's fault, they lie squarely upon the owner. If you own a breed like this, it is your responsibilty to adequately train and control your dog. "

pharper wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:52 AM:

" Pit bulls are powerful dogs, but unless you've owned one, don't think to judge them. My family has had an American Staffordshire for the past five years (a pit bull breed) and we've never had a sweeter, gentler dog.

It has everything to do with the owner. Yes, it is true that pit bulls are very protective and liable to be aggressive if not properly trained. However, if they are trained well and socialized as puppies, they are sweet, caring, wonderful dogs (and, incidentally, they LOVE children). I'd trust my dog with my life, the life of my other animals, and even the life of my three-year-old cousin.

There are far more bad dog owners than people think, and pit bulls attract owners who are less-than-savory, because they look big and intimidating - so people who want to seem that way buy them, and they're not always great owners. When that happens, it's the dog that gets the bad rap, not the ilk of the owner. "

pharper wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:54 AM:

" I should say, one of our dogs is a Staffordshire. The dog I referred to earlier is a border collie/Plott Hound/lab mix, and is my dog, not the family dog. "

cookies wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 PM:

" I think Alston should be closed. Everytime I have been there my dog has been attacked by dogs off leash and they are in the on leash areas. This area could be used for a more multipurpose place instead of irresponsible dog owners, people that can not follow the rules and the group that think they own the whole park. "

kdbk wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:16 PM:

" One of the more nauseating things in life is to listen to someone extoll the virtues of the Pitbull. They tell you how it's just the one's that are raised to be vicious that you need to worry about. They laugh and tell you how silly and naive it is to have anything against these peaceful, family dogs. It's about then that the dry-heaves start and I have to leave the room for fear of hearing any more such blithering nonsense.

In fact, maybe one thing even more nauseating than that is the actual site of a Pitbull and it's proud owner walking down the street...the owner's so cool, so proud...could CARE LESS what might happen between their dangerous dog and an innocent person or pet. "

Bill wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:23 PM:

" It is my feeling that pit bulls are owned by people that are basically cowards.

I often see pit bulls walking their owner, not he other way around. If it were my dog that were harmeds not only would there be abill to pay for that harm but the oweners would see my lawyer or worse.

Of course for those who advocate packing a fire arm it might be just as advantageousd and politivcally correct for everyone to own a pit bull. "

fmmt47 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 PM:

" Sad but true, training does not have much to do with most pit bull varieties. You can leave them with the kids, other dogs and cats that they were raised with but they still have a tendancy more than most other breeds to suddenly snap and attack for no reason. "

wipemedown wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 PM:

" I know how to solve this-

A registry like megans law for pitbulls. That way we call all know where these violent beasts live.

Dog off leash- got a fix for that too.

Publish the names of the owners for a month straight like the DUI list.

Problem solved. "

LocalNapa wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:58 PM:

" " Pit bulls are powerful dogs, but unless you've owned one, don't think to judge them." Thanks, but I do not feel the need and I am comfortable with my judgement. Your "experience" consists of your ownership of your dog. This is not a strong case for the behavior of the breed. I like others am tired of the defense of this breed and the blame being placed on owners. I hope the three year old in your family continues to remain safe in the presence of your dog and he/she does not show up on the news injured with another story about a "sweet family dog" who just seemed to snap. "

MP wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:59 PM:

" If dog owners can't behave properly at Alston and keep their pets under control and on leash where they are supposed to be, they will lose support for other dog facilities. Dog owners need to enforce their own rules or the park will go away. "

napablogger wrote on Jun 26, 2009 1:13 PM:

" Cadence, thanks.

I am sure there are wonderful pit bulls and if properly trained, yada yada yada. But why do I never hear that a corgi has done this, or even a lab? It is always pit bulls.

Some owners are never going to be responsible, so at some point society has to take over and ban some things. Yes, other dogs could sometimes be as aggressive, but pit bulls are the main and constant offenders.

We at least have to license pit bulls and make sure that the owners and dogs have gone through some kind of training for safety. "

diehard4ever wrote on Jun 26, 2009 1:58 PM:

" cookie-
I seriously doubt that. Even if it is true, maybe it's YOUR dog. OUr 100lb. lab has only been attackes twice in nearly 3 years going there... and he's not fixed. Most dogs won't attack another dog unless both are male with man-hood intact. Most owners with "antisocial" dogs are smart enough to put them on a leash around other dogs, and most owners are smart enough to pull their dog in when they seee one of "those dogs".

Pitts only feel pain in their noses and feet, so if ones atacking your dog, or any dog for that matter, get a stick and whack it in the nose or foot. Hard.

BTW-
Onleashers: Start using your section of the park or we will. "

bv wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:01 PM:

" I used to handle dog bite claims for an insurance company and NEVER had a claim for a pit bull. It was usually the little dogs that bit people. "

c'mon_people wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:11 PM:

" You all just crack me up! I love how everybody who posted here for this article suddenly became "Dog Experts." Not one post actually has any research by which to back things up. I'm not talking about "I saw this happen one time" research. I'm talking about actual observations based on actual research conducted by a recognized and reputable company and/or organization. But hey, who needs that since we have so many "dog experts" right here.

Here's the bottom-line as I see it, and for the record I am not a dog expert, just a dog owner for my entire life, a dog lover and a proud supporter of a handful of dog rescue organizations (which is where I got my current 4-legged pal)... Pit-bulls have just as much right as any other breed to become a person's loving pet, accompany that person to places like dog parks, etc. It is 100% an owners responsibility to understand the behavioral characteristics of their dog and act accordingly and responsibly. Unfortunately, not every dog owner lives by these standards... that's just the way it is.

However, to victimize a specific dog breed is simply not rational. If you get anxiety when you are at the dog park just because a person has a pit bull there, then don't go to the dog park! If you see an aggressive dog at the park (which I have seen many times from many different breeds) then form a group and talk to the owner. If they don't comply, call the police and ask for help.

But for crying out loud... don't form an opinion that is not educated! C'Mon People! "

winemd wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:43 PM:

" My dog is a female Husky, now 14. She does not take kindly to other dogs running at her, a problem that is even worse when she is on leash. She reacts and a fight ensues. So I don't take her where she might encounter dogs off leash that will run up to her. We had multiple encounters with other dogs in all of Alston Park in the past (before the off leash area was expanded, and we haven't been back in that time frame so I cannot speak to that).

Fortunately, now other parks (and Tulocay Cemetery) are open to dogs on leashes 6 feet or less and owners are required to pick up after their dogs (and to those who don't, please pick up after your dog). And dogs are still not allowed in play areas for children. So given that more area has opened up for on-leash dogs, I say expand the off-leash areas also.

And to all dog owners, please obey the rules (about leashes and waste and children's areas) so that we can all benefit. If things do not go well with the expanded area for on-leash, I suspect that MP is right and that privileges will be taken away. "

eas001 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:56 PM:

" Ah, here we go again. One bad incident and we ban off-leash, ban pit-bulls, BAN DOGS! With this mentality we should all lose our drivers license because one person drove drunk and killed someone.

Right now it is pit-bulls, ten years from now it will be another breed. You hear about pit bulls just as we are hearing about the swine flu - media attention. The sweet pit-bull who rolls over when a Chihuahua barks (yes they exist) doesn't make headlines!

And yes, when I see a pitbull I am apprehensive until I am certain the dog is safe, same with any large dog as my dogs are munchable sized!

Unfortunately certain irresponsible people like to own pitbulls. Same as murderers, they like to own guns - doesn't mean every gun owner is a murderer!

To read up on vicious pit bulls....(get a kleenex)

http://www.bestfriends.org/vickdogs/

I do wish the best for the dog attacked and for the owners - how horrible to experience!! "

cookies wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Diehard4ever-
You are one of the ones that think they own the park. NO I am not kidding about my dog being attacked everytime. She 35lbs and not agressive at all. we were walking in the leash trail area when the irresponsible dog owner decide to walk their dog off leash and again not following the rules. I really think that Ceasar would question your thoughts on dogs and owners. You are trying to segrogate the park, you don't need to take over the leash area, just put one on, it doesn't hurt a thing. Use common sence, don't be a bully. You wreck for everybody. "

Bill wrote on Jun 26, 2009 3:38 PM:

" Diehard,

Bad advise. Don't try hitting any bull dog especially a pit bull on the nose or feet with a stick. You will be lucky if all you loose is the stick.

The bulldog is bred as a fighting breed with a pug pulled back nose that enables it to grab with its powerfull jaws and hold to hold on and not be suffocated. The pit bull was developed especially for dog fighting.

Using a stick is usless get your mom to buy a 45. "

cjac wrote on Jun 26, 2009 4:46 PM:

" It's not just at the dog parks. At the Kennedy Park Softball Fields there is a couple who always bring their pitt and lease him to a fence while they play the game. Everytime another dog comes close these people scream at new dog and owners to never bring a strange dog around their leased dog. What i don't understand is, if their dog cannot be trusted, then why bring it out in public?? "

kevin wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:18 PM:

" I once lived next to a pit bull breeder. His dogs were kind, playfull and I never saw them act agressive.

But they did eat my fence.

Not knock it down.

They ATE it... "

misfit wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:40 PM:

" OMG wipemedown...You aren't serious...are you? "

isthatso wrote on Jun 26, 2009 6:39 PM:

" Last year a woman approached us dog owners in the fenced and off-leash area at Alston, asking if we knew of a woman who brought two large dogs to the park - one she owned, the other she had "just rescued." This irresponsible woman let both dogs off their leashes, and the dog, who she was totally unfamiliar with, attacked and seriously injured this inquiring woman's small dog - vet bill over $1,000. She wanted to warn others. I have a 35-lb. mix who loves everybody, but I find it too risky to visit an area with a large concentration of dogs and owners unknown to me. Another dog owner I met at Fuller Park told me her pet was attacked in downtown Napa when a large dog broke its leash, charged across the street and, totally unprovoked, tore her small dog up. I walk with some confidence in our neighborhood and occasionally on the sidewalk at Fuller - with eyes in the back of my head. Alston Park is just too risky for both my dog and myself. And pitt bulls give me the willies. Although low to the ground, when the notion strikes, they will instinctively go for the throat in a second. "

John Richards wrote on Jun 26, 2009 6:59 PM:

" Bill wrote: "Don't try hitting any bull dog especially a pit bull on the nose or feet with a stick."

So if you saw a pit bull's jaws clamped around a child's limb what would you do, Bill? If hitting the dog on the nose is not effective, what about poking the sharp end of the stick into the dog's eye? You are trying to save a child's life, so desperate measures are called for. "

Enlightened Coelacanth wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:12 PM:

" "Gee! A problem at a dog park and "guess" what sort of dog was involved in
the middle of it all? A pit bull!
How unusual.
And of course it's never the dog's fault. It's always the bad owner's fault.
Odd. Why does one particular breed, and perhaps Rottweilers too, always have
a monopoly on "bad irresponsible" owners?
Because dog owners that have issues with being tough macho customer (women as well as men)
always gravitate to this canine fighting machine.
It is the owner. AND the dog! In unison. The dog acts as a stupid-magnet attracting the worst sort
of people imaginable.
Pit Bulls should never be allowed in public, in my view. The potential for disaster is too great should
anything ever go wrong." "

suma1971 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:16 PM:

" As the owner of the little dog that was attacked, I am happy to report that he is on the mend, but still remains very nervous. The owners did the responsible thing and offered to pay the bill for the Vet. They live in So. CA and will not be back anytime soon. They appologized, but could offer no explanation for the attack. I blame this one on the owners, as, ironically, our dog's best friend is a pitbull, and he is the sweetest most loveable dog you'd ever hope to meet, but he has been well trained and socially conditioned.
My thanks to everyone who has shown cocern and offered their best wishes. "

a teacher wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:19 PM:

" " Pit bulls are powerful dogs, but unless you've owned one, don't think to judge them."

When was the last time anyone heard of a poodle eating a kid? "

vizslamom wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:25 PM:

" Update...I received a call tonight from the small dog's owner. Her dog, Pepper is doing well. She got many stitches and has been nervous...but, will be okay. Thank goodness! Her husband had to have more stitches than his beloved dog...thanks to the owners of the beast...The pit's owner's were from Southern California and have gone home. Good Riddance! Hopefully they have learned a valuable lesson.

My husband took our puppy up to the dog park this evening. We are in a difficult situation...we have a puppy and she needs to play and burn off energy. I would like nothing more than to never return to Alston...but, my husband is going to see if things improve. I hope that my letter to the editor will alert dog owner's to be respectful and mindful that if they have an aggressive dog... Leave him/her at home.
My kids are still upset about that day and do not return to the park. It is sad. We enjoyed going to the park as a family and watching our puppy play. However, that has ended...thanks to the ignorant owner's of the pit.

I hope Alston will not have an episode like the one that I witnessed with my children ever again...but, until people
are mindful...it will continue to happen. "

thoughtank wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:05 PM:

" a teacher wrote: "When was the last time you heard of a poodle eating a kid?"

Well, poodles can bite savagely. So can chihuahuas and other small breeds.

Keeping pepper spray on hand during your dog forays into Alston Park might be the best idea. Even a pit bull in attack mode would respond to it. Just be careful not to spray it carelessly.

I wish Napa Police Officers would take excursions into Alston Park occasionally. Maybe someone on a bike patrol, perhaps? It would go a long way toward discouraging irresponsible behavior in the park.

vizslamom: Your kids will get over it. Use this as a learning experience so that they can begin to learn about safety with animals and animal behavior. Try taking the puppy to Kennedy Park and use the area around the ballparks and BMX park.

Glad to hear that Pepper is doing well and the owners of the pit bull paid the vet bill. "

shareathought wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:14 PM:

" Dogs are allowed to run loose by their owners at Kennedy Park, at Silverado JHS, Westwood Hills, along the river trail (between Linclon and Trancas), at the Napa River park on Trancas at Soscol, along the bike trails from Big Ranch Road through Vintage HS and at Alston Park.

Very few dogs are under voice command, many owners don't care. "

John Richards wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:35 PM:

" "we have a puppy and she needs to play and burn off energy."

That leads to a more general policy question. Are taxpayers obligated to fund the services of a park where dog owners can safely exercise their dogs? Why not privatize that service, the same way you pay a fee to use a golf course. Both golfing and dog ownership are optional activities that the general taxpayer should not have to fund. "

cookies wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:53 PM:

" suma1971, thanks for your post. At least and I mean the very least the owners offered to pay. However I am not happy that your dog got attacked. Like diehard4ever said, their dog had been attacked 3 times and mine 4 times. That park may work for the ones that think they own it, but for the people that love their dogs I choose to go else where. I am also sorry that a family with kids had to watch that. Dog fights are very loud and stressful to witness. I hope Alston Park becomes a multipurpose area instead of a feeding frenze for the dog owners that think their dog is friendly and the owners that think they own it. I wish a speedy recovery for your pooch! "

winemd wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:07 PM:

" I saw a private dog park (membership based) on the way to Santa Rosa (on Adobe Road, I think). I wonder if they are doing well and if there is a potential business model there. "

steph wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 PM:

" I can't take my shelter-rescue dog to Alston, as she does not get along well with other dogs, as I found out the hard way--nothing like the letter written here, but embarrassing nonetheless. She is not a pit.
In researching dog aggression, I found a police dog trainer (Leerburg dogs) online who has many great free articles and for-sale videos about raising and training dogs. This breeder of Shepherds is definitely against bringing dogs to dog parks because of the high risk of attacks. Once a dog believes his owner will not protect him from attack, he very likely will himself become dog aggressive. He does not ever allow unleashed dogs near his always leashed dogs for the same reason--too high a risk of attack. And he recommends that owners carry pepper spray which I always do now, because any confrontation with an off-leash dog will result in a fight with my leashed dog, and I won't risk that.
I'm convinced that my next dog will be a puppy, and I will find her a few trustworthy friends to play with--never a dog park.
Caesar Milan has changed my opinion of pitbulls as a breed, though the truth is that he has to rehabilitate so many of them because, as someone described here, they seem to attract irresponsible owners. So I don't trust them in general unless the owner is very responsible. But I know some nice people who have a very aggressive pitbull who was babied too much and now is the leader in the house.
Very sad letter. "

napaconservative wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:22 PM:

" Can we PLEASE stop blaming the pit bull breed? The owners clearly didn't know their dogs limits and should have kept the dog at home. In fact, my pit bull goes frequently to Alston Park and is submissive to EVERY dog there. She would never hurt a fly because we have trained her correctly. She's even gentle with my two month old sister. I just cringed when I read your letter because you had to make it clear that the breed was Pit bull AND you were afraid of that breed.

I'm just saying to look at the owners, not the breed. "

misfit wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:31 PM:

" I suggested a membership type situation at the Fairgrounds since that large field is only used a few days out of the year for parking or rodeos or whatever. The rest of the time it would make a great off leash place for dogs to run. A membership fee could help maintain the field that only seems to get mowed twice a year as it is but, maybe a little extra money could help the fairgrounds out a bit as well as the dog owners. Of course, it was about insurance and who knows what else. I never heard anything again so, there the field sits. "

Hear Ye wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:46 PM:

" a teacher wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:19 PM:

" When was the last time anyone heard of a poodle eating a kid? "

I remember a Pomeranian eating an infant a few years back. "

sayavelvessa wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:01 AM:

" I witnessed this disturbing event, my husband and myself were there with our 5 month old german shepard puppy. It was a very scary event that I couldn't shake for days. I just kept thinking, "that pitbull was JUST smelling my dog".

I am continuing to take my dog here but have definitely become more cautious. My experience (and I come nearly everyday, sometimes twice a day) at alston is that the vast majority of people and dogs that frequent the park are well behaved and not aggressive.

vizslamom, I am so sorry your children had to witness that and hope you'll eventually be back. Our puppy really enjoyed playing with your dog.

To the owner of that tiny dog that got attacked, I am so sorry that happened to you and am glad that your dog will at least physically recover. fyi for people who were not present this little dog did NOTHING to provoke this pitbull. It had barely come through the gate when this dog charged at least a hundred yards to get at the poor thing.

To everyone else that put their two cents in, if you weren't there and you haven't frequented the park lately you have nothing to offer. Shame on you for squabbling over the pitbull bad-rap (I personally have no problem with pitbulls) instead of addressing the original topic. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Jun 27, 2009 1:44 AM:

" OMG Napablogger! For once you offer advice that we both agree with! "

charliesheen wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:18 AM:

" All dogs bite people. Prying their jaws apart to extract the object of their affection is impossible with breeds like pitbulls. Just like drunk driving fatalities, the drivers have nothing but the best of intentions. Keeping a pitbull on purpose when there are hundreds of other breeds available says volumes about the owner. "

prunepicker wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 AM:

" I'm sadden to hear this has happened again. 5yrs ago I witnessede a lil yorkie pup killed at alston by a lab/pit mix. His owner did nothing but sit there and watch. We peered pressured him into never coming back. I've seen pits so passive and sweet and Ive seen pits who were very aggressive. Gernerally these agressive ones wer'nt fix. People fix your dogs, there is no reason to have an uneutered male or female. And just for the record I've been afraid at Alston by some of the people that come there that don't have dogs.Especially in the summer its a popular hangout for gang members. Every year the fenced in area is vandllised and tagged. We do need more police out there ,not only for pontenaily dangerous dogs but alson for pontenaily dangerous people "

vizslamom wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:23 AM:

" I would like nothing more than to pay for a safe park to exercise my dog...or better yet...why not have all these idiots who are bringing in their aggressive dogs to the enclosed play area, have their own pen for their dogs!
And, charge them big bucks for their ignorance!!! "

pharper wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:35 AM:

" The common thread here is the owner. Note that most complaints have to do with the type of owner these dogs usually have.

Big, scary-looking dogs attract a certain kind of person who want to own them. The tougher the dog seems, the tougher the owner seems (or so the thinking seems to go).

Pit bulls in and of themselves have characteristics that, when properly treated, can be assets. They're protective and loyal, fairly intelligent, and surprisingly easy to train. They love people, and they're not hyper or jumpy. However, when the owner doesn't do their job properly, these can become bad things. Fiercely protective can mean aggressive. Loving people can mean hating other animals, particularly other dogs. These are things that are entirely up to the owner - it's the person who makes or breaks a good dog.

Other dogs have characteristics that can be good or bad in the same way. Border collies, for example, are extremely intelligent and extremely active - in a very athletic, active family, this can be a good thing, aprticularly if the dog is trained to use these traits in a specific way (agility training, for example). But if the dog belongs to a family with a small yard, little time to play, and no interest in being active with their dog, this dog is liable to become destructive, to escape, and to be so hyper as to be out of control.

It has EVERYTHING to do with how you train the dog. Yes, pit bulls do have certain personality traits, but it's up to the owner to train their dogs in order for those traits to be an asset rather than a danger. "

pharper wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:49 AM:

" By the way, diehardforever - not true about pit bulls only feeling pain in certain areas. The difference between a pit bull and another dog, though, is that pit bulls are bred to ignore pain when they're fighting. They are in no way impervious to pain in any area of their body, they are simply more likely to ignore it when otherwise distracted, particularly by a fight. No animal or human is impervious to pain; they'd have to lack nerve endings.

I recommend this link from American Humane about pit bulls. It clears up some of the myths surrounding their temperaments and abilities.

http://www.americanhumane.org/assets/docs/protecting-animals/PA-resources-pit-bull-myths.pdf

A couple more things I learned through research spurred by this article and the comments - first, the American Pit Bull Terrier was the most common family dog in the early 20th century. According to the American Canine Temperament Testing Association, 82.5%of the American Pit Bull Terriers that took the temperament test passed, compared to a 77% passing rate for all breeds on average. Pit Bulls have achieved the fourth highest passing rate of all 122 breeds tested.

And finally, approximately 150 people are killed every year by falling coconuts. Therefore, you are more than 60 times more likely to be killed by a falling coconut than a pit bull. "

funnyme wrote on Jun 27, 2009 10:42 AM:

" Pit bulls and their owners have created a reputation of being mean even when unprovoked.
In fact, last November we witnessed first hand that more than 50% of Americans detest pit bulls (Sarah Palin was portrayed as one, remember?), that's why we don't have one in the White House, even though I believe we need one, no, not to replace Bo the White House dog, but BHO.

My family and I enjoy Alston Park, its visitors and their owners very much.

The majority of dog owners there (off-leash and on-leash) are nice, polite, friendly and respectful people who 'understand' the nature of their furry friendly beasts (animals are unpredictable). Fights between dogs -and owners- are not frequent but do happen, so if you don't want to witness one or be part of one, just avoid "The Dog Park"!

Bill,
I couldn't agree with you more on the '45'...I should start working on my 'concealed' one if pit bulls are ever to become the rule and not the exception at Alston. "

winewoman wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:14 PM:

" My dog is munchable sized - I am wary of all dogs, big and small. Whenever an unleashed dog approached, I pick up my munchable sized dog and carry him. I wish that dog owners were more responsible. I live by a school and people let their dogs run unleashed. Not all dogs respond to verbal commands - particularly when they see lunch walking by. They are animals after all. "

shareathought wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:14 PM:

" I particularly like the suggestions steph wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 PM
on researching dog aggression
and the idea
misfit shared on Jun 26, 2009 10:31 PM:
" I suggested a membership type situation at the Fairgrounds"

I agree in part with what
pharper wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:35 AM:
" The common thread here is the owner. Note that most complaints have to do with the type of owner these dogs usually have."

and what
napaconservative wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:22 PM (and many have fear)

I've met some very beautifully behaved pit bulls.

Owners make a difference...
I had a difficult neighbor; he taught his Rottweiler to attack my car when I drove up to my home (note: it is too late for suggestions on this, at the time, I couldn't prove it to the authorities).

My worst observance of a pit-bull OWNER was at an elderly relative's home (I was on the roof, cleaning the house's gutters).
I observed a grown man, with a silent whistle teaching his dog to attack my relative's dog (which, was within an enclosed cyclone fence); the owner actually turned his pitt lose as, they approached my relative's house.

I've seen two at-large pits kill a cat.

Meanwhile, I've known of people calling animal control to make up stories about a neighbor's well-behaved pit because they didn't want one in their neighborhood.

IF we had better behaved people, I would suggest having more fenced areas within our community parks for dog socializing, but we don't. "

CharSolo wrote on Jun 27, 2009 2:02 PM:

" How many more innocent children have to be mauled to death for the pit bull to be banned? "

russ wrote on Jun 27, 2009 3:16 PM:

" Pit bull lovers can say all they want about the gentle nature of their dogs, but be aware that most of the rest of us are afraid of pit bulls, do not trust them, and think there is something wrong with a person who owns a bull. "

shareathought wrote on Jun 27, 2009 3:52 PM:

" Thank you Pharper for your research:

"And finally, approximately 150 people are killed every year by falling coconuts. Therefore, you are more than 60 times more likely to be killed by a falling coconut than a pit bull. " "

diehard4ever wrote on Jun 27, 2009 4:09 PM:

" pharper-
You're wrong. I talked to a guy at Alston who's family had been breeding them for years. I think he knows a little... "

vizslamom wrote on Jun 27, 2009 4:25 PM:

" I'm amazed at the amount of responses regarding my letter. I have been thoroughly interested in all of the comments. Dog lover's just want to have fun with their dogs. Can't we all just get along? The simple solution is whether you have a pitbull or a poodle...if you are not certain...and I mean certain that your dog is a kind and loving dog...do not bring it to a public setting. Pitbull owner's...I know you're defensive...but, you chose that breed and you need to live with the consequences of your decision. The majority of people do not feel comfortable around your DOG! If you don't like it...bummer. Again...You chose your dog! Lastly, we as your neighbors and fellow dog park patrons...do not know if YOUR pit is the "nice one" or the "Beast." So, just remember when we give you the second glance and you don't "feel warm and fuzzy"--again...YOU CHOSE YOUR BREED! "

napaconservative wrote on Jun 27, 2009 6:01 PM:

" charsolo- perhaps you didn't read the letter correctly. No child was hurt in this incident and nothing was killed (thank goodness, as I am so glad the little guy is ok)

How many more people have to drive drunk before we ban alcohol?

How many more people have to be killed by guns before we ban guns?
How about knives? Those kill people too.

Rollercoasters... those can be dangerous so we should ban them as well.

OH! I've got it! Since so many people die in their sleep, we should ban sleep.

Come on now, lets use some common sense and stop jumping the gun! My pit is amazing and if you would ever like to meet her, give me a call! "

pharper wrote on Jun 27, 2009 7:02 PM:

" Angelina, I am 150% willing to admit when I am wrong but I am not. It's science. He may be a breeder, but the man you sopke to was wrong. Veterinarians,the Humane Society, and the ASPCA will all tell you the exact opposite of what you claim - pit bulls DO feel pain. They would not be living creatures if they didn't. "

John Richards wrote on Jun 27, 2009 11:25 PM:

" napaconservative wrote: "How many more people have to drive drunk before we ban alcohol?"

What you are overlooking is that there are severe restrictions on how alcohol can be produced, sold, and imbibed. I can see the day coming that repeat DUI offenders will be required to have ignition interlocks on their cars. The point is, where are the restrictions on pit bulls? As a minimum, they should be muzzled at all times when out in public. "

napaconservative wrote on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 AM:

" john- How is that fair? muzzled while in public? Because some people can't train them right, we all have to pay the consequences. Why are we focusing so much on the dog and not on the owners. That's where our real problem is here. Again, I offer if you would like to meet my pit bull (unmuzzled becuase I would NEVER put a muzzle on my dog), I would love to bring her to you and you will find she is by far one of the sweetest you've met. She has a love for people and other animals and is well trained on how to use her temperment. You can see in her eyes she would never intentionally hurt somebody.

As I sit here and write this response, she is licking my little sister on the feet. Should I take her away because her mouth is so close to her?? I'm sick of people looking past the real issue here which as I said before is the owner/trainer... maybe we should muzzle them while in public. "

a teacher wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:08 AM:

" "Well, poodles can bite savagely. So can chihuahuas and other small breeds. "

All dogs can bite savagely. All dogs are capable of doing damage. Few dogs are capable of killing humans singularly. It takes a combination of aggression and power to do so. Pit bulls have both. They are untrustworthy and I understand people's reactions to them.

And Ms. Harper - Rattlesnakes kill less than 6 people a year in the USA. However, I think most people would think you are nuts if you had such a clearly dangerous animal for a pet. "

winewoman wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:36 AM:

" I'm with JR on this. Napaconservative, it's dog owners like you that frighten me. Of course your pit bull is sweet and loving and licks your face and loves people. Let me say this next part very clearly, She is an animal. Animals are unpredictable. Animals do not think or behave or reason like humans. And for that reason you cannot know what you dog is thinking or how she will behave in every situation and/or when you are not around. As the writer indicated, you chose your breed. You need to understand the natural temperment of the breed that you chose, and take responsibility accordingly. "

napadad wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:49 AM:

" poodles are vicious and full size poodles were bred to guard and be vicious. but news stories about poodle attacks dont sell. so we hear about pit bulls. "

steph wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:53 AM:

" Ugh!
Frankly, Angelina, your antennae are off.

Anyone who would admit to being a pitbull breeder "for years" is worthy of
disdain. There are thousands of pitbulls, including puppies waiting in
animal shelters and being put down. I wish people would STOP breeding them.
That someone would admit to BREEDING THEM shows he is ignorant and/or totally insensitive.

Then, for that man to claim such expertise, that pitbulls don't feel pain except in their nose or feet--don't you know baloney when you're hearing it?
Especially when it comes out of the mouth of a pitbull breeder who's been
breeding pitbulls "for years" ???

Ah, you're young, I guess. Wisdom comes with age and experience. But
something tells me, you're a smart girl, I know that, even YOU knew there
was something not quite right, didn't you? (Please say yes.)

Pitbulls can be soooo sweet, it's true. I can see why a responsible dog
owner might want one. I would expect a responsible owner to pick one up at a
shelter, because they just can't stand the idea of so many pitbull puppies being euthanized!

Oh, the idea of proudly breeding pitbulls just makes my blood boil!

People should have to have a license to breed any dogs.
Lookit me--a small-government proponent. You should HAVE to have a license to breed dogs. No license, you get your dogs confiscated and you pay a BIG fat fine. License fees would pay for inspecting property for humane pet-keeping.

Ugh!!!" "

Paddy wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:54 AM:

" shareathought- coconuts don't kill people, coconut trees kill people.... Chances are not one of those 150 killed by alleged coconut were killed in the USA so your numbers are skewed. "

pharper wrote on Jun 28, 2009 12:01 PM:

" I 100% agree with steph on licensing breeders. That could help cut back on puppy mills, and it might convince people to adopt a shelter dog rather than spend exorbitant amounts of money on a purebred animal. Why keep breeding animals when we have to kill millions every day since people won't adopt them?

And if you're looking for a lifelong companion - mutts typically live longer and have fewer health problems than purebred animals, because they don't have longs lines of inbreeding and overbreeding.

Winewoman, while I agree that animals are unpredictable, by that logic every dog should be muzzled while in public. Pit bulls, with proper training, caring owners, and lots of socialization, are no less predictable than any other breed.

But I've said it before, and I'll say it again - what kind of people do they attract? Just as miniature poodles and Pomeranians attract elderly women, and Golden Retrievers attract families, pit bulls attract "tough guys" and gangbangers and people who should not be allowed to own ANY dog. Crack down on who can own a pit bull, not on whether pit bulls can be owned at all. (Perhaps if the licensing of breeders was put in place, that would be easier to keep track of.) "

vizslamom wrote on Jun 28, 2009 12:18 PM:

" We should all be reminded of this story
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustices_building_the_perfect_beast.htm "

cab e-girl wrote on Jun 28, 2009 1:49 PM:

" I am not an expert, but thanks to my son I "foster-parent" a Staffordshire Terrier (aka Pit-bull). When I first met this dog, I was terrified of him. I couldn't believe my son would actually own such a monster! I just knew his dog would attack and kill our sweet, gentle yellow lab. Well, I can admit it when I am wrong. Turns out the Pit-bull lives with our family now. I would not trade this dog for anything in the world. Having said that, he is too strong for me to safely walk him in public without making others feel unsafe or uncomfortable, so I don't do it. Pit-Bull owners should be prepared to make additional efforts with family, neighbors and friends. Not unlike me, most people will be terrified of your dog. Staffordshire Terriers need constant attention, affection, and supervision and I would not advise leaving children alone with any dog, especially bully breeds.

Against my better judgment, we introduced a small calico kitten into our family (gopher control). As a one year old cat, she now dictates the pet pecking order in our family, and on any given day, I can look out in the back yard and see our yellow lab, our Staffie and our calico cat all basking in the sunlight on the cool grass, lying very close to each other.

I can assure you, our Staffordshire, feel’s pain. He is much more pain sensitive than either our cat or our yellow lab.

I now have a new appreciation for a dog that I believed I could never trust or become attached to. He ranks at the top of my all time favorite pets. My son will be hard pressed to regain custody! "

a teacher wrote on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM:

" " poodles are vicious and full size poodles were bred to guard and be vicious. but news stories about poodle attacks dont sell. so we hear about pit bulls. "

Oh yeah, blame the media...

All you have to do here is ask the question, why own a dog that has a deserved reputation of being a vicious, aggressive killer. "

thoughtank wrote on Jun 28, 2009 3:15 PM:

" Paddy, One does have to worry about those killer pitbulls armed with assault coconuts that live in coconut trees, however....I don't have the stats on this but I've heard they're very dangerous and sometimes lethal! "

traceeg wrote on Jun 28, 2009 5:15 PM:

" Pit Bulls need to become extinct. They are killing machines through and through. When are people going to realize that. There are plenty of other breeds they can love that are not killing machines. The owners of these dogs like the power they feel just knowing that in an instant their dog can snap and kill. I wish there were a law that we could shoot them on site!! "

doglover wrote on Jun 28, 2009 5:22 PM:

" I know someone who was hospitalized by a chihuahua, but it never made the paper. I know someone whose Australian Shepherds got out of her yard and scared a postal carrier. When she called to ask if he was all right, she was told he was chased by two Pit Bulls. People afraid of dogs jump to the conclusion that any dog that frightens them is a Pit. I can't think of a breed that looks less like a Pit than an Aussie, but that was the postal worker's report. The Aussie owner's tongue-in-cheek reply was, "Thank goodness. Then it wasn't my Aussies." There are two poodles at Alston that are quite dog aggressive, but the owners are in denial because "poodles aren't aggressive." Tell that to the poor dogs they have gone after. Most so-called fights at the park result in no bloodshed and are actually dogs working out dominance issues. But the noise is extremely frightening to the owners. While I understand what is happening, I still never allow my dogs to be involved. Yes, I have enough control over my dogs to keep them safe. My pet peeve is with those who refuse to see that their German Shepherd, Lab, Aussie, you-name-it is giving off clear signals of aggression and because it has not YET been in a fight, they think it's not going to. But I agree that almost all Alston Park users are great. It's a few that spoil it for the rest. "

John Richards wrote on Jun 28, 2009 6:44 PM:

" napadad wrote: " news stories about poodle attacks dont sell. so we hear about pit bulls. "

And it never crossed your mind that the reason for that is because only pit bulls have the strength to do terrible, even fatal, damage to what they attack. Once a pit bull sinks his teeth in, it is almost impossible to get him to let go. A poodle, on the other hand, you can smack over the head and it will whimper away. "

shareathought wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:35 PM:

" Paddy on Jun 28, 2009 10:54 AM

I did not do the research, nor did I claim to; I only found it interesting and thanked the person who did do the research.

I suggest re-reading the posts and perhaps do your own research (then, share with us and site references). "

napadad wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:32 AM:

" A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds. "

napadad wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:44 AM:

" here is a link http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite

with lots of actual fact based info with reference studies noted (for those doubters) and though it does show three breeds (and thier sub breeds ) responsible for the majority of dog related deaths (60%) and pit bulls are one those breeds, it states clearly

In Canine homicides and the dog bite epidemic: do not confuse them, it has been pointed out that the dog bite epidemic as a whole involves all dogs and all dog owners, not just the breeds most likely to kill.

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:

Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.
An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).
Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack. "

lberryessa wrote on Jun 29, 2009 9:24 AM:

" Shepherds were bred to herd, golden retrievers were bred to retrieve the hunter’s game, and pit bulls were bred to fight. Go to the web site I have attached and see for yourself. Go to the link to the left “dog parks” and see what pit bull advocates have to say.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/breedinfo.php#dogparks. "

Ballermjq wrote on Jun 29, 2009 10:23 AM:

" well first of all just because it is a pitbull does not mean it is a bad dog. i have a pitbull that hangs out with young children and other pups. you touch her and she falls to the ground wanting to be pet. Its the way that people raise there dogs. i will continue to bring my pit to alston park and she will continue to have fun. "

brucemac707 wrote on Jun 29, 2009 12:25 PM:

" The majority of you people commenting here are making me sick with your ignorant comments. Yes pit bulls can be aggressive and dangerous. But so can rottweilers, poodles, labs(the best dogs int the world!!), and even German Shepards (police dogs). In fact I knew someone who owned a German shepard that I was intensely afraid of like no other. Anti-social behavior. About 5 months ago, I rescued a little 2 month old Pit. I raised him right, socialized him with other dogs and children, and once he was old enough, he was neutered. At that point, I started bringing him up to Alston. He has a great time (as do we, love to all the other cool dog owners there!) and never behaves aggressively, only wants to play! We just took him on a two week road trip with us all over california and went to many dog friendly places, and he always behaved very well, for a puppy. Our favorite was Ocean Beach's Dog Beach. That's what Alston is lacking, a Beach! We closely monitor his behavior, and if he ever showed any kind of aggression towards other dogs or people, we would cease bringing him to the parks. He is a great family dog, and we are responsible owners. Any of you who would talk down on us for adopting this wonderful sweet dog, I take it as a personal slight against myself and my many amazing friends who have owned Pits, past and present. "

eas001 wrote on Jun 29, 2009 2:14 PM:

" Suma 1971,

So glad to hear your dog is on the mend!!! Good to hear the owners paid for the vet bill, but still, sorry that it even happened. If they could offer no explanation on why their dog attacked both they and their dog are not well enoughed socialized to be entering a dog park! "

coffebeat wrote on Jun 29, 2009 2:21 PM:

" That's terrible! I know pitbulls that are well behaved and it's true the breed gets a bad rap but I had an experience in my neighborhood walking my little Pomeranian. A man was walking his pitbull in the middle of the street and the dog immediately was intent on my dog. The dog was straining and pulling as hard as it could on the CHAIN the owner had for a leash. I was just thinking, "Buddy you'd BETTER hold on to that dog!" He was visibly struggling to keep control- he was not a big man but his dog was!
Fortunately my dog didn't get attacked. I was scared because if the pitbull got loose there would be nothing I could do. I'm not stupid enough to pick my dog up and risk getting mauled myself.
I really wish people were smarter about taking aggressive dogs out. I'm sorry that happened and that your kids had to see! "

lberryessa wrote on Jun 29, 2009 2:27 PM:

" Here's another web site that cautions pit bull owners from going to dog parks. Just type in "pit bulls in dog park" in your search engine. These sites are pit bull lovers and know the breed. Anybody that goes to dog parks should read what they have to say and then you can form your opinion. http://www.realpitbull.com/dogparks.html "

elhundo wrote on Jun 29, 2009 4:18 PM:

" Please visit a friend's website, who himself is a Pit bull rescuer, and cautions against taking APBT's to dog-parks and other similar venues:

http://www.ourpack.org/

Also, BAD Rap in Berkeley has indispensable info:

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.cfm "

xmrs09 wrote on Jun 29, 2009 5:05 PM:

" Since moving to Napa some 24 years ago, I have had three large-breed dogs -- mutts one and all -- and now have a small-breed mutt (yorkie/unknown terrier mix). I walked them all at both Alston and through various Napa neighborhoods. With my big dogs, other dogs -- even Pits -- barely looked twice at them. However, with my little guy, I have had two "close-encounters" with two different dogs: both of them Pit Bulls. I do not despise the breed but I am wary of it. In one case, a group of teen-age boys could barely hold their big Pit back in a public park. I was close-enough to see the look in that dog's eyes and believe me, it was wild, deadly and focused on my dog. Until that moment, I had never thought twice about walking my dog ANYWHERE in Napa. The second instance involved a Pit Bull practically charging through the large plate-glass window of a very nice home on Cayetano St. as I walked by on the sidewalk. The window was literally shaking as the dog jumped up on it over and over, barking wildly. I stopped walking in that neighborhood fearing the dog WOULD come through the window. I also can't take my little 12-pounder into the enclosed off-leash area at Alston because of the pack mentality and the size of some of the dogs in there -- but we do enjoy walking the new, larger off-leash area at the park.
As for the comment: "news stories about poodle attacks don't sell. so we hear about pit bulls," give me a break. News stories don't sell anything. In the news business, advertising is what pays the bills. Any dog attack of any significance (i.e. serious injuries) is highly likely to be reported. "

John Richards wrote on Jun 29, 2009 5:38 PM:

" napadad wrote: " fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds."

I think you'll find that most of those victims were children, or frail/elderly people. The average male is able to defend himself against most dogs, except for pitbulls and rottweilers; that's why the latter two breeds have such a bad reputation. "

steph wrote on Jun 29, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Pepper spray, people! Carry it! You may have to use it. "

Sables Mom wrote on Jun 29, 2009 6:31 PM:

" Last month my dog was attacked for no reason at all. As we walked into the play area a medium sized dog mounted my girl
siberian husky. My dog turned around and barked at him. The owners of the male dog did nothing. My dog then went over to the other side to play with a lab mix. When she came back a medium size male dog ( Rocko, Rocky ? ) black/white/tan dog ran up to her. Showing aggressive moves. The next second the dog attacked. I tried pulling the dog off of my dog. He was biting and my dog was unsure of what to do. The owner of Rocko/ Rocky screamed. As I pulled him off of Sable I was bit. My dog ran to the gate to leave. I was shaking. The woman said my dog started it. Not true. I over heard her talking about this aggressive dog she rescued to another woman. I was bleeding and my dog was scared we just left in a hurry. I did not even get her information about her dog and rabies vac. Today my dog is very cautious around other dogs. My hand is still sore. People if you know your dog is aggressive and have issues, you should not be in the play area with other dogs. Use the other side until you correct the problem. Be a responsible pet owner. I was warned last Friday morning about a pitt that comes several times a week that is a trouble maker. "

cab e-girl wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:35 PM:

" Xmrs09- After researching and talking to our vet about the addition of a Staffordshire Terrier (Pit-Bull) what I learned is although they are not human aggressive like Standard Pit-Bulls, they tend to be small animal aggressive. Ours has been socialized around a cat and a small dog to which he shows no signs of aggression. But I noticed if I walked him in public he is so intent on meeting small dogs, their owners take it as a sign of aggression. Made me and the small dog owners so uncomfortable I don't walk him in public places. Why make others feel uncomfortable or threatened?

This is really an owner issue, not a breed issue. If you own an aggressive breed be responsible for your dog and be respectful of others and their dogs. Even if your dog is not aggressive, think about the person/dog on the other side and how your dog will be perceived. A little civilized courtesy and respect will go a long way. "

winewoman wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:51 PM:

" Does anyone wonder why:

Herding dogs are German or Belgian shepherds, Border Collies. Sport herders are Golden or Labrador retrievers. Hounds are used in hunting, Gun dogs are retrievers, flushing spaniels, and pointing breeds. Guide work is generally performed by Golden Retrievers, Labradors, and German Shepherds. St. Bernards are search dogs and are used to find lost travellers and search in avalanches. Newfoundlands have long been used for water rescue. Guard dogs are generally Bulldogs, Pinschers, Pit Bulls and Schnauzers. Bichons, Pekingese, Pugs and Maltese are generally companion dogs.

There is a reason why Newfoundlands do water rescues and Bulldogs don't. There's a reason why Maltese don't make good guard dogs, There's a reason why Pekingese are not good guide dogs.

A dog's nature involves more than human training. No amount of training can make a Chihuahua a water rescue dog, for example.

Dogs have inherent traits that are unique to their breed. Pit Bull owners can defend them all they want. But, dogs are animals. They don't think, behave or reason like humans. They are unpredictable. Again, there is a reason why the Pit Bull is a guard dog - and a reason why it has been a fighting dog for centuries. Read about their history. Every dog owner should now the history of their chosen breed. "

LMW wrote on Jun 29, 2009 9:57 PM:

" An overlooked situation by parks approving dog parks?
City should consider, just like apt complexes allowing pets, watch those gray areas, fairness to animals. "

proudmama2 wrote on Jun 30, 2009 8:37 AM:

" I didn't read all the comments posted here BUT...... was the pit bull quaranteened (SP)? Or is that something not done because it didn't attack a person? "

norcalgal wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:23 AM:

" I agree with others that it's the owners and not the dogs.

Don't knock the breed. I have a 13 year old pit that I got as a pup. I have taken her to obedience classes and she is a very well behaved dog. HOWEVER, she IS very protective. She has never once bit anybody or gone after anyone, but she does have a very intimidating bark and people that don't know her are afraid of her. I keep her on a leash when I have her out and about, but on the property she runs free and doesn't cause anybody any trouble. "

grits wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:35 AM:

" When we first got our Am Staff almost 9 years ago, we went to the web and bought books; my family had also raised AKC terriers when I was a child. We learned that, as many of you have stated, it is important for all dog owners to understand the original function of their chosen breed. We learned that no matter how socialized a pit bull is, you MUST remember they were bred to be other animal aggressive! We also learned that a pit bull should NEVER be taken to an off leash park. This is to protect the community AND the animal. I know it seems restrictive, but if you choose this breed for all it's wonderful qualities, and there are many, you must also be responsible to the animal and the community. "

sandra wrote on Jun 30, 2009 10:45 AM:

" Pit Bulls are animals. They can be great dogs when raised by responsible owners, but they will still have the characteristics genetically bred into them.
The problem is that many of the OWNERS are NOT RESPOSIBLE. The hype that goes along with this breed attracts many foolish people for obvious reasons.
I onced owned a Belgium Shepherd. A wonderful breed easily bored. I would never own the breed again, even though I probably loved that dog for it's personality more than many I've owned. She needed so much interaction and stimulation to be happy. She needed a ranch, or a job of some sort. She was a rescue that was on her third strike. In other words, we were her last hope. She was an escape artist. She lived for 5 more years with us, than she would have lived had we not taken her in. BUT, she was eventually killed by a hit and run driver on her last escape, after we truly thought we had secured her in our yard for good. She was well trained and not destructive, but could find ways out of a yard that seem unfathomable. We had even gotten a companion dog for her, which we have to this day, to occupy her free time. In spite of being what I consider to be a responsible pet owner, the nature of the breed won out over me.
The outcome was a great dog was killed. This is why I would never own this breed again. The outcome of a pitbull succumbing to its nature can be so much worse.
When you choose this breed, please be aware of what you are getting yourself into. "

vizslamom wrote on Jun 30, 2009 10:56 AM:

" Just to clarify...the owner of the small dog was bitten several times. And, yes, the dog should have been picked up by animal control...but no call was made. "

JustMyyOpinion wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:26 PM:

" There's a lot to read here, and I'm curious... did the owner of the pittbull accept full responsibility for the attack? Are they paying all the medical bills for both the dog that was attacked and the dog's owner?

It seems simple enough that people should know the temperment of their dog and know if it's safe or not for them to be put in a situation where they'll be interacting with unfamiliar dogs! This is not rocket science, folks! "

sandra wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:53 PM:

" Regarding, "It seems simple enough that people should know the temperment of their dog and know if it's safe or not for them to be put in a situation where they'll be interacting with unfamiliar dogs! " While, yes, you should know your dogs normal behavior, it is not that simple at all. You need to take into account the genetic nature of what your dog is bred for. This may manifest at any time, based on a "DOG BRAIN". Not what your brain percieves as logic, but what is going on in your dogs brain based on genetics, and what the dog preceives. Your dog's past behavior will not always be indicative of its future behavior in any given situation. It does not matter if it is the best trained most gentlest dog you have ever had. If it is genetically bred to be protective/aggressive/etc., it can manifest at any time.
A pit bull should not be allowed to roam off leash around other animals in a public park, period. It is not the only breed that should be leashed at all times in public. There is enough unpredictable dog behavior based on other things besides genetics, that adding this to the mix just seems insane. "

napahawaiinapa wrote on Jul 1, 2009 3:58 AM:

" To the guy who was walking his dog, when, in the distance, a pit-bull was lurking--- Lord have mercy... what is the world coming to??!! Sounds crazy, but it is the way pit-bulls are portrayed. The writer states that there would be no chance for his dog should the two come in contact..Right answer..it is called "protection." The pit-bull in question is loveable and kissable, honest to God, to people he knows and trusts, but VERY protective, as we all expect from our loved ones. When in public, the owner makes sure the leash is securely ON, to keep not only others safe, but himself too. Most breeds are protective and our input means nothing unless your dog can talk and reason. What I have seen with him is that he thinks he is maybe 1 or 2 lbs., not realizing that he takes my lap and upper torso off the map when he acknowledges me with a kiss. Proof-- he doesn't even realize the magnitude of 'his size', 'muscle tone', 'jaw strength', or the fact that he just flattened me against my chair to say hi. He does walk with a CHAIN leash and, hey, it works!! Most breeds have an aggressive look to them; most people have a look that may give you the wrong idea; sounds like a judgment and NOT a fact. The sad truth is that we are paying more attention to aggression and less to commonsense. Dogs come in all sizes and strengths; that, we know. What we need to do then is appreciate that we all are different and so are our dogs and looking out for each other is what really matters..less threats, less incidents... "

kcnapa wrote on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM:

" A friend of mine does a lot of work w/BadRap, a Pit Bull rescue group. She has said anyone w/a Pit who takes it to an off leash park is just asking for trouble. These people are the experts.
Go to: http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm
Here is an excerpt from their article re PBs and dog parks: As we know, all breeds will fight. Success at the dog parks depends on how realistic owners are about their pets' limits. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon for dog owners to overestimate their ability to prevent trouble and newer pit bull owners to underestimate their dog's potential. Most never see trouble coming until its too late. Murphy's Law Says: Your maturing pit bull WILL get entangled with a sour tempered bad boy on the one day you're feeling fuzzy, distracted and unprepared. Responsible, educated owners know their dogs' limits and know how to keep them out of trouble. These same owners know that keeping their pits out of dog parks is the very best decision for their mature dog. Honestly? The most responsible pit bull owners among us choose to avoid the unstructured, chaotic setting of crowded dog parks altogether and finds other ways to exercise/socialize their dog. "

magnum wrote on Jul 3, 2009 7:21 AM:

" If you love your dog, stay away from dog parks. Not because of irresponsible dog owners and dangerous breeds of dogs. For the simple fact that diseases are spread from dog to dog in those parks. Think about it. Dogs are required to get specific shots before they are to be placed in kennels or kept in the animal shelter for any extended time. Why? To prevent the spread of diseases. Once again, just take your dog for a walk and avoid dog parks. "

4gnapan wrote on Jul 3, 2009 3:07 PM:

" ""...Keeping a pitbull on purpose when there are hundreds of other breeds available says volumes about the owner. ""

yea?.. what does it say when I rescued mine, from the gutter, with a busted leg, at the ripe old age of 9 weeks??.. Moved out of my nice little apartment, because my landlord wouldnt let me keep the dog there??.. Raised him to be a gentleman, voice trained him?.. pretty much never let him off leash in dog parks, until i'd walked him around enough to judge what the rest of the mutts attitudes were? Held his head and his gaze, 15 years later, when it was time for him to go...

Dont pass judgment lest ye be judged.

Dogs are dogs.. they tend to do the darndest things when you least expect. But, in my years of dealing with them, and yes, being bit.. (3 inch scar on my head, another 1inch tween the eyes.. it was a shepherd, I was 6 yrs old, with a toy machine gun..very close up view of canines... ooops :) ) its really all about the Owners and whether they are willing to learn the job of being a partner to the dog, or just someone at the end of a leash. "

reddog wrote on Jul 5, 2009 8:01 PM:

" 2solved your problem DONT GO TO DOG PARKS. THAT IS A ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN OH IT IS USUALLY THE LITTLE YAPPY DOGS THAT START THE FIGHT "

alucawanza wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:35 PM:

" My daughter has a part pit, part black lab. She is a great dog. Loves us all. But she cannot go to the dog park. She has been raised with love, training, walks on a leash well....until she spots a dog that is her size or larger. She becomes ferocious. She could never go to Alston.
My son's dog is an Anatolian Shepherd. She loves everyone and everything. Loves to play, go to the park, is very obedient off-leash. She obeys word commands immediately. Quite a remarkable dog. She cannot be in the same yard or area as my daughter's dog. The pit will attack her every time even though many efforts have been made to engage them in friendly play. It just doesn't work.
So here are two dogs, raised similarly, with loving owners who follow the owners' every command....except the pit loses all control when she sees another dog. Don't say it's the owner. "

kkkkaty wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:49 PM:

" It's late for a comment however. . . When I was a child we could never trust Dobermans, German Shepheds, or Rottweillers (all dogs used in WWII, trained to be vicious.) The kids in "Our Gang" had a pitbull pet. At that time pits were considered to be family dogs. Currently, the most number of dog bites reported in the county are by Chihuahuas and Golden Retrievers, usually un-neutered males. Male dogs neutered at a young age (by about 9 months) are usually great pets no matter the breed. I walk several times a week in Alston in the off leash area mostly with 3 dogs and we never have a problem with anyone. Even when we stop in the commons, my dogs are fine. My Am Staf Terrier was attacked, totally unprovoked, by a huge Boxer. She didn't even see him coming. Luckily the boxer owner, big guy, instantly grabbed his dog & left. All my dog did was collapse on the ground without trying to defend herself. Now when she hears a dog making "help" type noises, she intercedes and tries to get the aggressor to go off & play with her, no hackles are raised although in these situations the aggression is not necessarily fighting but some form of intimidation. It is too bad that the characterization of pits being bad dogs is "in vogue" the same as I'm glad Rotties are now recognized for being the lap dogs they are, except for the ones with bad owners. "

MyThought wrote on Jul 8, 2009 10:45 PM:

" Alston Park knows no shortage of irresponsible dog owners. All dogs off-leash are required to be under voice command but few seem to be. More significantly, many continue to run their dogs off-leash in the on-leash section of the park. The city expanded the off-leash area and did a lot of work with signs and fencing—for what? Nothing changed.

There are two equal paths up to the plateau, one for off-leash and one for on-leash; the off-leash crowd thinks they own both, just like they continue to think that the entire park is their own personal backyard. I have yet to walk Alston Park without encountering off-leash animals in on-leash areas. The City was supposed to be increasing fines and actually doing some enforcement but I see no evidence of that. "

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