Move the fair to Napa Pipe?
Developer Keith Rogal has discussed the idea that the Napa Town and Country Fair could occupy 19 acres on the Napa Pipe property’s 155-acre site above. Register file photo |
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Developer open to idea, says carnival and demolition derby wouldn’t work
By KEVIN COURTNEY
Register Staff Writer
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The 154-acre Napa Pipe property is not only big enough for several thousand housing units, an acre of stores, a 150-unit condo hotel and 140,000 square feet of industry, it could also accommodate the Napa Town and Country Fair.
Napa Pipe developer Keith Rogal told the fair board Tuesday of the availability of 19 acres at the 155-acre Napa Pipe site for a new fairgrounds.
The idea of moving Napa Valley Exposition to Napa Pipe has been bubbling up for years. This would free up the 32-acre downtown fairgrounds — the object of many noise and parking complaints — for private redevelopment.
Rogal’s presentation to the fair board was informational only. Fair directors weren’t actively promoting a new fairgrounds. Neither was Rogal.
“We’re here because a lot of people have been asking me over and over again ... would we be open to it,” Rogal said.
Most of the Napa Pipe site is part of a master plan proposal now undergoing environmental review by Napa County, but there are 19 acres yet to be planned, Rogal said.
This acreage is located at the south end of Napa Pipe, close to the Butler Bridge. The site would be buffered by light industrial buildings so that fair activities wouldn’t have a big impact on residents, Rogal said.
The current scope of fair activities — in particular, the carnival and the demolition derby — would likely not work at Napa Pipe, Rogal said. A fair that promoted agriculture, arts and crafts and the Junior Livestock auction would work, he said.
Rogal suggested that the fair had added a carnival with rides mostly for financial reasons. If a way could be found to run the summer fair without that revenue, or have the carnival at another location, that might work, he said.
Fair directors peppered Rogal with questions, but put off a full discussion of a fairgrounds relocation for another time.
Director Marjorie Preston said the carnival was an integral part of the summer fair and probably could not be split off.
“You need to figure what are the things really important to your mission,” Rogal said.
While thrill rides and the destruction derby seem like a poor fit, rodeos could work, Rogal said. Rodeos are “rooted in the West,” he said.
Noise-making activities could occur behind a berm, with the noise directed toward the river, away from residents, Rogal said.
Fair Director Eric Lehman asked if Rogal was proposing to make the 19 acres a gift to the state of California, which owns the current fairgrounds on Third Street and Silverado Trail.
Because the 19 acres have “considerable value,” Rogal said it would be up to the state to work out an equitable arrangement. A land swap could be considered, he said.
Director Dee Cuney worried that the fair, which is officially the 25th District Agricultural Association, would be trading one flood-prone property for another. The flood risk at Napa Pipe will be solved by elevating the property, Rogal said.
The site being talked about for a fairgrounds was proposed for light industry in the first Napa Pipe development plan. More recently, someone suggested using the property to generate solar electricity, he said.
“This is strictly an educational thing,” Expo CEO Joe Anderson said after the meeting. Fair directors aren’t likely to have a further discussion until autumn, he said.
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kevin wrote on Jun 24, 2009 4:46 AM:
We could have paddle boats out on the ponds!
What would be the difference? Napa Pipe is a toxic waste dump full of asbestos, lead and PCBS.
Keep the Fair where its at now. This is just another land grab for a few people to make big bucks selling the Fair property... "
shareathought wrote on Jun 24, 2009 6:45 AM:
Rogal said:
“We’re here because a lot of people have been asking me over and over again ... would we be open to it,”
Who are all of these "people?" "
kbf wrote on Jun 24, 2009 6:57 AM:
Dirty Napkin wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:57 AM:
native74 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:23 AM:
Nice...change a natural occurring flood event to create another one where it probably doesn't occur already. Where's the mitigation for this? Is Rogal going to pay to raise my levee or create a deficit nearby that'll fix what he's changing? "
mikeb wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:23 AM:
richards wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:27 AM:
And what about the RV park and Bingo? All it would be is a once a year crafts fair with farm animals!
They would definitely get no revenue from that! And then if they did have the derby and carnival in a different location how would people enjoy both venues?
Oh My Oh My The manure pile from the animals just gets deeper in Napa every year I get older!
I know this is a new age and some things are getting out dated but come on people get "expletive" real! "
angrytoo wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:28 AM:
richards wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:29 AM:
Stupid Stupid Stupid! "
napagirl76 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:50 AM:
More so the carnival part of the fair is why 90% of the familes go, so kids can ride the rides you take that away and your numbers are going to drop huge. Also the Demo Derby sales out every year why take away that money maker? keep the fair where it is with the rides and derby!!! "
Piquemyinterest wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:55 AM:
5th generation napan wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:14 AM:
horsegirl wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:14 AM:
bennyd wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:54 AM:
UncleStuy wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:02 PM:
NapaKid80 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:18 PM:
random name here wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:23 PM:
napalove wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:39 PM:
LittleoneTT wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:53 PM:
Sickothis wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:04 PM:
jasonjac wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:09 PM:
Keith Rogal wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:07 PM:
Our site is large and our plan has many public amenities, including as proposed, nearly 40 acres of privately-funded, publicly-accessible parks and open space. Conceivably, Agricultural District Fair uses could be integrated as well. But to be clear: this idea is not something I am pushing, pitching, advocating, endorsing, recommending or wishing for. My appearance at the Fair Board yesterday was at the Fair's request, and was consistent with the commitment I've made to listen to any and all ideas for how the Napa Pipe property can best be used. In that vein, many of the responses here, as always, are useful and informative. "
vinovalleygirl wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:57 PM:
Paddy wrote on Jun 24, 2009 11:16 PM:
How many thousands of additional units will they then build at the 32 acre Fair Grounds? Where did these people come from? Can you imagine 10,000 more people living between Silverado Trail and Soscol along Third Street? "
Paddy wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:52 AM:
This 19 acre for 32 acre swap is only in the best interest of the developers. The measly allocation will last for a few years only. Once the switch is made the new residents of Napa Pipe will complain vociferously about the noise and traffic (oh my gosh, the traffic!)
Let’s squash this concept immediately and permanently. "
manxkat wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:55 PM:
5th generation napan wrote on Jun 29, 2009 3:29 PM:
napanatheart wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:02 AM:
napanatheart wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:15 AM:
now in following with recent city protocol, i demand a check for $300,000 for telling you all that vital info. "
napanatheart wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:27 PM:
napanatheart wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:29 PM:
misfit wrote on Jun 30, 2009 6:54 PM:
Maybe you should take something or see someone. "
ctworker wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 PM: