Lake Luciana project rejected by supervisors
The view from the proposed eighth hole at the Lake Luciana Golf Course in Pope Valley. The Napa County Board of Supervisors rejected the plan for the 18-hole championship golf course Tuesday. Submitted photo |
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By JILLIAN JONES
Register Staff Writer
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The championship golf course proposed for Pope Valley may have suffered its final defeat Tuesday. The Napa County Board of Supervisors rejected the controversial Lake Luciana golf course in a 3-2 vote, upholding a previous decision by the Napa County Planning Commission to deny the project. Tuesday’s vote could mark the end of a hard-fought battle over Lake Luciana unless developers challenge the decision, a move they say they will consider in the days ahead.
The Lake Luciana proposal — which would feature an 18-hole championship golf course, three swimming pools, a lakeside clubhouse and 17 neighboring luxury homes — set off furious debate among Pope Valley neighbors, members of the county’s environmental and slow-growth groups and others who wanted to see the county approve a potentially revenue-producing project.
The supervisors’ chambers had the look of a community divided Tuesday. On one side of the room, Lake Luciana supporters wore stickers claiming, “I love Luciana.”. On the other, opponents displayed buttons challenging supervisors to “Save Pope Valley.” Hundreds of other residents came to the meeting and spilled into extra rooms in the county administration building and Napa City Hall.
“This is one of those situations where people have been very passionate on both sides,” Supervisor Brad Wagenknecht acknowledged.
Despite the occasional audience outburst, Tuesday’s hearing moved relatively quickly with supervisors allowing only 20 minutes of testimony from each side.
Attorney Kevin Teague, who spoke on behalf of developers, slammed the planning commission’s decision to reject the project, accusing commissioners of twisting the words of the county General Plan to conform to their own beliefs.
“The commission didn’t follow the rules, they just made things up,” Teague argued, noting that the General Plan allows for recreational uses on agricultural land if the project meets specific requirements outlined under a separate zoning ordinance.
He said the commission applied standards more appropriate for land located in the county’s strictly guarded Agricultural Preserve, while Lake Luciana is less prohibitively zoned as agricultural watershed.
Opponents of Lake Luciana, meanwhile, argued that nothing is more important to the county than the protection of agriculture.
“Napa County is noted for grapes,” said winemaker Warren Winiarski. “That’s our life and that should not be put at hazard. … We have a natural resource here. We should treasure it accordingly.”
Pope Valley resident Gary Dowling called agriculture “the highest and best use” of Napa County land, and claimed that golf “belongs in a more urban area than Pope Valley.”
A majority of supervisors agreed, with slow-growth advocates Diane Dillon, Brad Wagenknecht and Keith Caldwell voting against the Lake Luciana proposal. Supervisors Mark Luce and Bill Dodd voted in favor of the project.
Dillon, who represents the district that includes Pope Valley, came down hardest on Lake Luciana. She claimed that the project — with its swimming pools and restaurant — looks more like a country club than a golf course.
“I’m a golfer and I love to play golf … but kiddie pools are not an accessory use that I see at most of the golf courses I go to,” she said.
“The bottom line,” Dillon said, “is I don’t think we can get there under our rules and our General Plan.”
Dodd countered that the preservationists’ “‘sky is falling’ mentality … is not supported by the facts.”
“Golf, more than anything else, in my mind, has been compatible (with agriculture) all across the world,” he said. “I’d rather hit a golf ball out into a hay field or a vineyard than hit it into a condo.”
Further, Dodd said, “In this economic day and age … it just seems wrong not to be considering the economic benefits of this.”
Dodd and Luce tried to get the project passed with plans for the swimming pool and restaurant removed. But the rest of the board remained firmly opposed to the project.
“I’m glad that the supervisors who voted to uphold the planning commission’s decision recognized that this decision was about a lot more than just a golf course in Pope Valley,” said Sally Kimsey, a Pope Valley resident and one of the most vocal critics of Lake Luciana. “It’s about the agricultural protections in this county.”
Developers say they aren’t ready to roll over just yet.
“We’re going to meet with our attorneys and counsel to discuss what the next steps are,” developer William Criswell said. Asked if developers will sue the county, he responded, “We’re going to discuss everything.”
Teague added that developers would consider whether to place an initiative before Napa County residents on Lake Luciana.
Said Criswell, “What (the supervisors) are going to find out is that they’ve misjudged the will of the people in Napa County.”
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Cadence wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:07 PM:
Or are they choosing to "fear" whatever is most convenient to fit their goal of south county congestion to support county disneyesque elsewhere, except where well-connected opponents live?
Sounds from this and previous articles as though Criswell certainly has a strong case. "
Paddy wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:17 PM:
napaimplant wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:27 PM:
I hope that Criswell and his team file a law suit and give napa county everything it deserves. "
napablogger wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:37 PM:
It is clear that the General Plan steering Committee intended for golf courses to be an accepted use, and Lake Luciana clearly fits the findings needed to qualify. So yes, he has a good case because we are not following our own rules, which is deadly when someone sues you.
I might add that Angwin is the same, we are not following our own rules up there. I don't know if PUC will sue though. "
Hope4napa wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:38 PM:
Paddy wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:41 PM:
reader wrote on Jun 2, 2009 2:04 PM:
lupmart wrote on Jun 2, 2009 2:59 PM:
I suggest you run for election and see if the ENTIRE community votes for you, as you are their self-anointed spokesperson (except for those ignorant few who disagree with you and probably should be banned from voting anyway). I look forward to your 99% landslide in the Angwin area when you run for Supervisor. "
MarkMiwords wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:17 PM:
bcra26 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:37 PM:
ranchgirl wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:51 PM:
reader wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:00 PM:
bhenery wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:10 PM:
Farm, Bureau, Sierra Club and just plain folks agree, Pope Valley is a treasure not to be exploited for the mega rich!
Dillon, Caldwell and Wagenchnect voted correctly! The voters appreciate their sound representation in such important land use matters. "
napablogger wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:48 PM:
epicuria wrote on Jun 2, 2009 6:24 PM:
I know, it's surprising isn't it. That the BOS votes against an agriculturally compatible project that adds jobs. The letters in the Register this morning made it so abundantly clear that this was the best use for the land, with it's poor soil for vineyards.
Bear in mind that most of this valley resents accomplishment. They pine for the good old days before the well educated and sophisticated people like you started arriving and "ruining" this blue colar/cowboy podunk. When fire chief, Caldwell approved credits for his firefighters from a diploma mill. Figures. "
vocal-de-local wrote on Jun 2, 2009 6:47 PM:
Regardless of the community's wishes, building dense housing in Angwin is dangerous. We have a huge firestorm threat up here and there's no REAL evacuation plan. My homeowner's policy was canceled, specifically due to fire threat. And some of you continue to spout your mouths off about how we NEED development up here even though you don't even live here. You're not personally faced with difficulties acquiring homeowners insurance.
Additionally, the greater the number of people trying to get off the hill during a catastrophic event, the greater the numbers of fatalities. It's a matter of "when" not "if". There are those of you advocating for more and more development in fire risk areas but you are not going to be the one trapped in a bottleneck situation during evacuation. Rural fire risk areas should remain rural, with a considerable distance between homes and a hundred foot vegetation setback. I do not want the limited resources of our fire department diverting their energy away from existing homes to fight a fire which is approaching a dense development that had no business being built in the first place.
Some places should not become destinations for heavy development. Angwin is one of them and the other is Pope Valley.
Good for our supervisors for standing their ground. "
glenroy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:26 AM:
Sooner or later the voters will figure out 'liberals period' are the ruin of the private sector….it doesn’t get any more obvious than this....this land isn't many more suited for ag than swamp land.
Pope Valley took this one in the shorts…. "
Talking Bird wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:26 AM:
The choice was made, however, so the only avenue is cutting back on state government; the others will fall in line soon enough, like Vallejo. No complaints, start cutting! Remember the choice was made, so live with it!
When cap-and-trade comes to capture carbon and restrict business, the choice will be made again. "
jersey guy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:49 AM:
vanappan wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:59 AM:
Good luck Nappans as you will need it, will the last person out please turn out the lights! "
O/U now wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:09 AM:
NapaCitizen wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:15 AM:
Jasper wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:47 AM:
Pope Valley needs a luxury resort like it needs a hole in the head. "
glenroy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 9:35 AM:
Jasper...all developers don't promise jobs..... they DO provide jobs....business owners DO provide jobs....resorts Do provide jobs.....no wonder this country is sinking like the Titanic.... "
MarkMiwords wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:07 AM:
DowntownSupporter wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:36 AM:
Cactus Tom wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:43 AM:
vocal-de-local wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:48 AM:
First developers would have started the project with seventeen homes, then they would be asking for a restaurant, a hotel, another hotel, "support" housing and on and on. ABAG would step in and make our lives miserable.
These seventeen homes were just an entry point. ABAG and their lawyers would soon follow.
The only way that this project could have been a job market for Pope Valley is if it had "grown" substantially. Otherwise, the only employment opportunity there would have been seventeen part time maids, a couple of employees for the pro shop, and yard workers for the estates and golf course. These are generally low paying jobs which would probably attract employees from Lake County. It's beyond me how ANYONE could perceive this development as a generator of jobs. "
ranchgirl wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:23 AM:
wb5218 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 12:01 PM:
Regardless of what the jobs would be associated, maintenance to golf, building/s, support to activities, they would have helped the entirty of Napa County.
For the record, no resort was proposed here. A private golf course yes. Limited access? yes.
One more vineyard, of terrible heritage, from nearly every grape growing professional, except a vet, will not promote Ag.
The appellate lawyer said it best...Gardening.
Planting, and plant maintenance without a sale? Sounds like a golf course.
Ag has been the "cloak" for "NO Growth."
AG is now the "Cloak" for stripping someones property rights.
Let us in Pope Valley pull up the drawbridge.
Oh wait, just after we drain some more resources from the County without adding anything to the County funds.
Most of the commentary must be from those out of the area with a perception of Pope Valley.
Or wealthy enough to tell all the rest of us to "Eat CAke"
Can I get some Cabernet to go with that? "
vanappan wrote on Jun 3, 2009 12:35 PM:
Then there is the tax revenue on the newly post prop 13 tax assessments paying into the counties coffers. I could go on and on, this project would bring Jobs and tax revenue versus idle non productive or revenue generating land where the local rich families can worship as there right,
Wake up! "
chilesvalley wrote on Jun 3, 2009 1:28 PM:
By the way, those who don't believe Luciana would hire people from our local community are just plain wrong. Those of us who have businesses in the Chiles Pope Valley area try to hire local people or find them housing here because it is a long way to drive and a deterrent to taking the job. "
hope4napa wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:33 PM:
reader wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:49 PM:
Pope Valley residents, on both sides of this issue, should gather together and come to agreeable terms on how you would like to see Pope Valley develop in the future. So, when new development proposals come forward, and they will come, you will all be speaking as one powerful and unified voice.
SRA came about in just this way, as a grass roots effort; the organized voice of the community residents. "
Paddy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 3:43 PM:
amazed wrote on Jun 3, 2009 3:56 PM:
realist2 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 4:48 PM:
renrut wrote on Jun 3, 2009 5:21 PM:
gaslight wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:02 PM:
boise1 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:17 PM:
pvrider wrote on Jun 3, 2009 9:52 PM:
gaslight wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:04 PM:
Paddy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:33 PM:
gaslight wrote on Jun 4, 2009 6:45 AM:
Econut wrote on Jun 4, 2009 8:40 AM:
Econut wrote on Jun 4, 2009 9:37 AM:
Emotionalism is the epitaph of enlightenment. "
pvooc1 wrote on Jun 4, 2009 12:26 PM:
This is what LL was all about; the self-preservation and future of our PV community, NOT GOLF. Shame on you Diane Dillon. I thought you were much smarter and above bowing down to a few special friends. By the way, we really were not impressed that you've played Abandoned Dunes. Pathetic. "
bhenery wrote on Jun 4, 2009 5:05 PM:
Too big, too high brow, too urban for this small community.
C & R should get back to work on Aetna Springs.....which had the support of the community.
Supervisors made the right call on this ill placed project! "
hope4napa wrote on Jun 4, 2009 7:00 PM:
emu wrote on Jun 4, 2009 7:12 PM:
bcnapa wrote on Jun 4, 2009 8:56 PM:
mypopevalley wrote on Jun 4, 2009 10:35 PM:
I hope that Mr. Criswell Sues the County for the right to use his property as the County allows.
Since the County, short of Staff cannot produce the justification within the 30 days customary, I hope he Sues us for that also.
I would like him to sue the Register for allowing comments to the articles to go through that use slanderous language from the likes of 'Jasper.'
Napa County can forget about Aetna Springs.
b-henery---how dare anyone commenting or letter writers request for Aetna Springs, a resort hotel to be developed and deny the golf project claiming it to be too highbrow?
a golf club markets to locals and their friends and guests. They look locally for activity and monthly dues and golf rounds to generate food revenue.
a resort hotel markets Nationally and Internationally. Who from the local community will spend $700 a night to stay down the street from their own home? Are you going to be ahnging out in the bar ordering a $22 burger and a $14 cocKtail?
Sounds pretty high brow to me...
Why would Criswell or anybody ever deal with this place?
Mr. Dodd is correct-ms. Dillon and mr. Wagenknecht don't give a rip about people in the County.
Mr. Luce is correct in the logic, if trails are urban because they exist in the cities then they can no longer exist in the Rural environment.
Will the lawsuit create or not create jobs?
I do not know the answer. "
mypopevalley wrote on Jun 4, 2009 11:04 PM:
Maybe she will have more time to go play golf somewhere other than in her own community and add to those communities TOT taxes and enjoy golf in a Urban landscape like Bandon Oregon.
Thanks for mocking us for wanting a golf course for a reason other than wanting to play golf there.
I would assume that there are thousands of people today in the US and hundreds of thousands over the last one hundred years that work and have worked at a golf course in their community not to play golf but to work at a place of Rural Natural Beauty. Not in an office.
If I were to bus tables, I would rather do it at a golf course than fast serve restaurant. Anybody else?
Where one would be treated nicely
by the patrons, because most people at golf clubs are in a better mood than in an emergency room.
Otherwise, I could work in a vineyard.
Thank you for fighting for AG sierra club.
All hours of the night and morning. Out in the cold and rain.
Health plan? Government?
401 k? yeah!
Hot lunch?
Dental, vision?
now let's talk about the wage...minimum? at best.
oh and by the way, what vineyard?
Many, many are really offended by the conduct, attitude and result of these actions of the Supervisors and the antagonistic conduct. "
wb5218 wrote on Jun 4, 2009 11:50 PM:
Thank you...you recite the dillon platform for denial of the golf course. was this language of urbanized landscape in the GP when all the other golf courses were approved?
Then this should pass also! ooooops!
lawsuit slip.
I thought it more extraodinary that the NoN Politically motivated County Staff recommended approval, you would have thought they would have caught that one about urban and shot it down. Or maybe the other Supervisors would have been tipped off to say that also by their "Wizard behind the Curtain" from the activist groups.
Especially when caldwell actually got the correct version. well at least your reading something.
thinking of caldwell,
traffic does not define urban.
Population defines urban. How many people drive in and out of Yosemite? Urban? well maybe.
you also mention a more modest version? does that mean you can control costs also now? could you help me regulate the cost of gas?
I would prefer a more modest version of gas pricing for locals. Can you force the next gas station to local pricing?
get your laws off my body!!! "
kkjp wrote on Jun 5, 2009 6:38 AM:
You claim land use policies in the General Plan allow golf courses but not "urbanized ones". Please site the section in the General Plan that states this. It doesn't seem to exist. "
Econut wrote on Jun 5, 2009 10:23 AM:
I suspect that at some point in the future the agricultural hegemony over land use policies in the county will backfire...once enough people become offended by all of their bullying. And given the current economic climate, perhaps the electorate mood will swing soon. "
wb5218 wrote on Jun 5, 2009 10:47 AM:
your the mentality that Ag (grape land)land is scarce is bunk
apparently, you could grow grapes in any soil type as some have claimed then why is there any reason to save every square inch of Napa County for grapes? Would someone help me understand that?
I cannot wait until Chile, New Zealand, South Africa, Agrentina, or maybe even Oregon wins the coveted Paris booze party then Napa goes backwards again. "
wb5218 wrote on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 AM:
Can you say all next year? "
notalwaysright wrote on Jun 7, 2009 6:54 PM:
ni4ni wrote on Jun 8, 2009 11:33 AM:
You know, Sierra Club used to be an honorable organization. It's been co-opted by foolish extremists. Worse yet, Napa Farm Bureau goose-steps in synch with Sierra Club. What does that tell you about NCFB? "
lostinpv wrote on Jun 8, 2009 7:33 PM:
notalwaysright wrote on Jun 9, 2009 4:22 PM:
I'm surorised there is a plant left that isn't a grape vine... Oh yeah and not to mention the vineyards don't pay taxes on most of their employee's because they are illegal. No tax dollars there for the county. What a crock. Council members should definitely go back where they came from. Why create jobs for anyone other than the illegals?!! And to force others out of their jobs on top of it. What A crock!! "
wb5218 wrote on Jun 9, 2009 10:42 PM:
grapes yes and really only the fermented juice is the only consideration in Napa County.
There is a stronger campaign to "watch out for" the insects that could harm the vines Rather than "watching out for" the people of the County.
People are our greatest resource!
People are our greatest resource!
Who doesn't know that?
Wake up Napa County, you are in a Wine induced COMA! "