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Lake Luciana project rejected by supervisors
The view from the proposed eighth hole at the Lake Luciana Golf Course in Pope Valley. The Napa County Board of Supervisors rejected the plan for the 18-hole championship golf course Tuesday. Submitted photo | Buy photos
Wednesday, June 03, 2009
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The championship golf course proposed for Pope Valley may have suffered its final defeat Tuesday. The Napa County Board of Supervisors rejected the controversial Lake Luciana golf course in a 3-2 vote, upholding a previous decision by the Napa County Planning Commission to deny the project. Tuesday’s vote could mark the end of a hard-fought battle over Lake Luciana unless developers challenge the decision, a move they say they will consider in the days ahead.

The Lake Luciana proposal —  which would feature an 18-hole championship golf course, three swimming pools, a lakeside clubhouse and 17 neighboring luxury homes — set off furious debate among Pope Valley neighbors, members of the county’s environmental and slow-growth groups and others who wanted to see the county approve a potentially revenue-producing project.
The supervisors’ chambers had the look of a community divided Tuesday. On one side of the room, Lake Luciana supporters wore stickers claiming, “I love Luciana.”. On the other, opponents displayed buttons challenging supervisors to “Save Pope Valley.” Hundreds of other residents came to the meeting and spilled into extra rooms in the county administration building and Napa City Hall.

“This is one of those situations where people have been very passionate on both sides,” Supervisor Brad Wagenknecht acknowledged.
Despite the occasional audience outburst, Tuesday’s hearing moved relatively quickly with supervisors allowing only 20 minutes of testimony from each side.

Attorney Kevin Teague, who spoke on behalf of developers, slammed the planning commission’s decision to reject the project, accusing commissioners of twisting the words of the county General Plan to conform to their own beliefs.
“The commission didn’t follow the rules, they just made things up,” Teague argued, noting that the General Plan allows for recreational uses on agricultural land if the project meets specific requirements outlined under a separate zoning ordinance.

He said the commission applied standards more appropriate for land located in the county’s strictly guarded Agricultural Preserve, while Lake Luciana is less prohibitively zoned as agricultural watershed.

Opponents of Lake Luciana, meanwhile, argued that nothing is more important to the county than the protection of agriculture.

“Napa County is noted for grapes,” said winemaker Warren Winiarski. “That’s our life and that should not be put at hazard. … We have a natural resource here. We should treasure it accordingly.”

Pope Valley resident Gary Dowling called agriculture “the highest and best use” of Napa County land, and claimed that golf “belongs in a more urban area than Pope Valley.”

A majority of supervisors agreed, with slow-growth advocates Diane Dillon, Brad Wagenknecht and Keith Caldwell voting against the Lake Luciana proposal. Supervisors Mark Luce and Bill Dodd voted in favor of the project.

Dillon, who represents the district that includes Pope Valley, came down hardest on Lake Luciana. She claimed that the project — with its swimming pools and restaurant — looks more like a country club than a golf course.

“I’m a golfer and I love to play golf … but kiddie pools are not an accessory use that I see at most of the golf courses I go to,” she said.

“The bottom line,” Dillon said, “is I don’t think we can get there under our rules and our General Plan.”

Dodd countered that the preservationists’ “‘sky is falling’ mentality … is not supported by the facts.”

“Golf, more than anything else, in my mind, has been compatible (with agriculture) all across the world,” he said. “I’d rather hit a golf ball out into a hay field or a vineyard than hit it into a condo.”

Further, Dodd said, “In this economic day and age … it just seems wrong not to be considering the economic benefits of this.”

Dodd and Luce tried to get the project passed with plans for the swimming pool and restaurant removed. But the rest of the board remained firmly opposed to the project.

“I’m glad that the supervisors who voted to uphold the planning commission’s decision recognized that this decision was about a lot more than just a golf course in Pope Valley,” said Sally Kimsey, a Pope Valley resident and one of the most vocal critics of Lake Luciana. “It’s about the agricultural protections in this county.”

Developers say they aren’t ready to roll over just yet.

“We’re going to meet with our attorneys and counsel to discuss what the next steps are,” developer William Criswell said. Asked if developers will sue the county, he responded, “We’re going to discuss everything.”

Teague added that developers would consider whether to place an initiative before Napa County residents on Lake Luciana.

Said Criswell, “What (the supervisors) are going to find out is that they’ve misjudged the will of the people in Napa County.”
63 comment(s)

Cadence wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:07 PM:

" So why isn't the BOS as afraid of William Criswell's lawsuit as they are of attorney Grabill's lawsuit?
Or are they choosing to "fear" whatever is most convenient to fit their goal of south county congestion to support county disneyesque elsewhere, except where well-connected opponents live?
Sounds from this and previous articles as though Criswell certainly has a strong case. "

Paddy wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:17 PM:

" William Criswell, I hope you don't sue me and my neighbors. We really don't want to have to use a budget currently cutting back on care of sick and elderly to defend against your tantrum. The overwhelming message is we in Napa County don't want this golf course, homes, hotels and restaurants in the Ag Preserve.... "

napaimplant wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:27 PM:

" Its sad to see, as someone who has moved to napa from another part of the country, that napa county is so ignorant. With todays economic situation they should be happy that someone wants to do something to stimulate the economy and create jobs. Whether or not their proposal follows the "general plan." Change is a good thing, and I am dissapointed that this county is so self-centered.

I hope that Criswell and his team file a law suit and give napa county everything it deserves. "

napablogger wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:37 PM:

" Criswell has a strong case, but with the addition of Caldwell the majority of the board is voting with the Sierra Club and Farm Bureau in tanking any other use of land except for vineyards in the county.

It is clear that the General Plan steering Committee intended for golf courses to be an accepted use, and Lake Luciana clearly fits the findings needed to qualify. So yes, he has a good case because we are not following our own rules, which is deadly when someone sues you.

I might add that Angwin is the same, we are not following our own rules up there. I don't know if PUC will sue though. "

Hope4napa wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:38 PM:

" I was present at the BOS meeting this morning and was among many attendees who found Diane Dillon's behavior to be unprofessional and just plain bad. She made faces at her peers, cut people off while they were speaking, ignored the powerpoint presented by the applicant's legal team and was completely and obviously biased. Her personal friends from the opposition enjoyed her little display, I am sure. Next opportunity, vote her out. "

Paddy wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:41 PM:

" napaimplant - Napa County and it's citizens is very forward thinking which is why you're probably here, enjoying our countryside. We prefer to keep our county, our state, in a condition so it can be enjoyed for generations to come. If you'd been here 30, 20 or even 10 years ago you'd probably understand our concerns. Because you haven't been, you can't. "

reader wrote on Jun 2, 2009 2:04 PM:

" NB: The ENTIRE Angwin community, except for PUC, TRIAD (a deep pocket, out-of-state developer), you, and a couple of TRIAD mouth-piece-bloggers, REJECT their cancerous, greedy proposal for this rural, mountain top community. Let them try to pull their "religious card" again and waste their money. Unfortunately, they'll be wasting our tax dollars as well. "

lupmart wrote on Jun 2, 2009 2:59 PM:

" Nice job "reader" ... you speak for the ENTIRE community? I wish I could speak for an entire community.

I suggest you run for election and see if the ENTIRE community votes for you, as you are their self-anointed spokesperson (except for those ignorant few who disagree with you and probably should be banned from voting anyway). I look forward to your 99% landslide in the Angwin area when you run for Supervisor. "

MarkMiwords wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:17 PM:

" While Diane Dillon and Brad Wagenknecht personally sold me out for a housing development, I'm glad they didn't do so in this case. "

bcra26 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:37 PM:

" As a person living in Angwin "reader" you can speek for me we dont need triad up here doing what they did to Vallejo "

ranchgirl wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:51 PM:

" Bill Dodd, it's time to meet with the ranchers, farmers and long timers who do not want yet another elitist development! Thank-you Diane et al for hearing the voice of reason. Our valley is fragile. Our water is gold. "

reader wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:00 PM:

" lupmart: Come on up and meet with the community and find out for yourself. "

bhenery wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:10 PM:

" The Board agreeed with Planning Commission and the people! Pope Valley is designated AWOS...and urban uses are not in keeping with General Plan policies which protect rural Napa County from this type of urban development.

Farm, Bureau, Sierra Club and just plain folks agree, Pope Valley is a treasure not to be exploited for the mega rich!

Dillon, Caldwell and Wagenchnect voted correctly! The voters appreciate their sound representation in such important land use matters. "

napablogger wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:48 PM:

" lupmart, reader is right, SRA will defame and slander Triad and PUC at the drop of a hat. They do it nearly daily in here, then get mad at me when I ask them to stop and tell me I am insulting them. Pretty funny actually. "

epicuria wrote on Jun 2, 2009 6:24 PM:

" Napaimplant:

I know, it's surprising isn't it. That the BOS votes against an agriculturally compatible project that adds jobs. The letters in the Register this morning made it so abundantly clear that this was the best use for the land, with it's poor soil for vineyards.

Bear in mind that most of this valley resents accomplishment. They pine for the good old days before the well educated and sophisticated people like you started arriving and "ruining" this blue colar/cowboy podunk. When fire chief, Caldwell approved credits for his firefighters from a diploma mill. Figures. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Jun 2, 2009 6:47 PM:

" So far, I have not come across one, not one person in Angwin who supports the Triad development. I've spoken to a lot of residents about it too.

Regardless of the community's wishes, building dense housing in Angwin is dangerous. We have a huge firestorm threat up here and there's no REAL evacuation plan. My homeowner's policy was canceled, specifically due to fire threat. And some of you continue to spout your mouths off about how we NEED development up here even though you don't even live here. You're not personally faced with difficulties acquiring homeowners insurance.

Additionally, the greater the number of people trying to get off the hill during a catastrophic event, the greater the numbers of fatalities. It's a matter of "when" not "if". There are those of you advocating for more and more development in fire risk areas but you are not going to be the one trapped in a bottleneck situation during evacuation. Rural fire risk areas should remain rural, with a considerable distance between homes and a hundred foot vegetation setback. I do not want the limited resources of our fire department diverting their energy away from existing homes to fight a fire which is approaching a dense development that had no business being built in the first place.

Some places should not become destinations for heavy development. Angwin is one of them and the other is Pope Valley.

Good for our supervisors for standing their ground. "

glenroy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:26 AM:

" Dillon has been a disaster for her district….she was also a big supporter of the Lake Berryessa fiasco…, since we’re on it, Dillon voted on issues that were serious conflicts of interest, issues that directly benefited UCD while on some sort of ‘consulting retainer’….

Sooner or later the voters will figure out 'liberals period' are the ruin of the private sector….it doesn’t get any more obvious than this....this land isn't many more suited for ag than swamp land.

Pope Valley took this one in the shorts…. "

Talking Bird wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:26 AM:

" A Pope valley Golf course will bring in much needed tax revenue; local, state and fedural.

The choice was made, however, so the only avenue is cutting back on state government; the others will fall in line soon enough, like Vallejo. No complaints, start cutting! Remember the choice was made, so live with it!

When cap-and-trade comes to capture carbon and restrict business, the choice will be made again. "

jersey guy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:49 AM:

" I haven't cared what happens in Pope Valley ever since the Aetna Springs restoration of many years ago was voted down. However, a "Championship" golf course in the middle of nowhere makes no sense. How many golf courses do we need in Napa County? I guess the same could be said about wineries. "

vanappan wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:59 AM:

" So new jobs, new revenue, new money is a bad thing for a bankrupt state and soon to be a bankrupt county.
Good luck Nappans as you will need it, will the last person out please turn out the lights! "

O/U now wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:09 AM:

" If the land/soil won't support vines, maybe pot will grow! that could be a taxable income if they change the law. "

NapaCitizen wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:15 AM:

" Dodd just lost my support. Angwin needs a Golf Course like a fish needs a bicycle. "

Jasper wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:47 AM:

" There are lots of people out there who have never caught on. All developers promise jobs. Then, of course, that means you have to build houses. And overnight you have moved from a healthy, and unique rural environment to just another Chamber of Commerce city. Complete water and sewer problems, Just ask the folks at Berryessa Estates about urbanizing. A vicious cycle, and Napa County is not going to go that route.

Pope Valley needs a luxury resort like it needs a hole in the head. "

glenroy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 9:35 AM:

" O/U lol a few weeks ago they arrested a couple kids trying to transplant pot plants on my land....if it can grow there it can grow anywhere...


Jasper...all developers don't promise jobs..... they DO provide jobs....business owners DO provide jobs....resorts Do provide jobs.....no wonder this country is sinking like the Titanic.... "

MarkMiwords wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:07 AM:

" Jasper is right. The developers give the promises of jobs, jobs, jobs. But when it comes down to it, the bids for construction will be given out to out-of-area companies. This is happening in the North Valley right now. Workers here are driving in from Auburn, Ukiah and parts unknown. All of the sudden the "jobs, jobs, jobs" end up benefiting counties far away, and we're left to cope with the undealt with infrastructure problems. The jobs that are left after they all leave are the low-paying ones that keep people on government-subsided housing. "

DowntownSupporter wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:36 AM:

" Jobs? How many people work at a golf course? Probably no more than 30. Most people employed there probably would not be from Pope Valley, therefore more traffic. I also have a hard time believing that golf courses are very profittable in this economy. I imagine that the revenue from the number of rounds of golf sold has declined in the last year or so. The argument that this development would bring jobs and money to our county is weak. If built it would cause more problems than it does benefits for the county. I can imagine the calls complaining about mountain lions and rattlesnakes actively hunting the affluent residents of lake luciana. Ha! Let the critters have a piece "

Cactus Tom wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:43 AM:

" It seems the environmentalist don't want any development in Napa county. Last month I read about the 5 terrible vineyards proposed along the Silverado Trail. At that time the argument was we didn't want anymore vineyard development. Now we only want agricultural development. What it boils down to is they want no development. You pay the property taxes and we'll enjoy looking at it! "

vocal-de-local wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:48 AM:

" Let's talk about the REAL jobs this development would have generated. Seventeen homes = Seventeen maids (probably only needed when vacationers are present). A restaurant to feed Seventeen households? Good luck staying afloat. In other words, eventually, jobs would disappear along with the restaurant. A golf course this expensive would have only attracted a very limited group of people; the kind of people who can divide their resources up elsewhere. They wouldn't be spending ALL their time at this "Golf Country Resort". And the reason I say "resort" is because that's where they were headed with this development.

First developers would have started the project with seventeen homes, then they would be asking for a restaurant, a hotel, another hotel, "support" housing and on and on. ABAG would step in and make our lives miserable.

These seventeen homes were just an entry point. ABAG and their lawyers would soon follow.

The only way that this project could have been a job market for Pope Valley is if it had "grown" substantially. Otherwise, the only employment opportunity there would have been seventeen part time maids, a couple of employees for the pro shop, and yard workers for the estates and golf course. These are generally low paying jobs which would probably attract employees from Lake County. It's beyond me how ANYONE could perceive this development as a generator of jobs. "

ranchgirl wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:23 AM:

" It takes courage and commitment to put your body and soul between the machine and wilderness. Corporate greed and human manipulation has stepped beyond boundaries here in Napa. In wilderness is the preservation of the world, said Thoreau. We must realize that we are all interrelated and connected. Those who buy up land for the wine monoculture or to put in more subdivisions or golf courses are destroying the pristine areas we have left. Pesticides, herbicides, etc. leech into our watersheds. It is supreme arrogance to think that nature must submit to our demands. "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 12:01 PM:

" Lets chat about the jobs a two acre crappy vineyard would create for Pope Valley...None. None. None!

Regardless of what the jobs would be associated, maintenance to golf, building/s, support to activities, they would have helped the entirty of Napa County.

For the record, no resort was proposed here. A private golf course yes. Limited access? yes.

One more vineyard, of terrible heritage, from nearly every grape growing professional, except a vet, will not promote Ag.

The appellate lawyer said it best...Gardening.
Planting, and plant maintenance without a sale? Sounds like a golf course.

Ag has been the "cloak" for "NO Growth."

AG is now the "Cloak" for stripping someones property rights.

Let us in Pope Valley pull up the drawbridge.

Oh wait, just after we drain some more resources from the County without adding anything to the County funds.

Most of the commentary must be from those out of the area with a perception of Pope Valley.

Or wealthy enough to tell all the rest of us to "Eat CAke"

Can I get some Cabernet to go with that? "

vanappan wrote on Jun 3, 2009 12:35 PM:

" Last time I saw a construction site there were at a minimum carpenters, electricians, plumbers, roofers, HVAC technicians, equipment operators laborers and so on, and if you are correct these will be mini mansions aka McMansions, so they will need to hire interior decorators, buy furniture, light fixtures, these 20-30 construction folks (with jobs) will need to buy breakfasts’, lunches, tools and then you times that by 17 (the number of homes), not to mention all of the necessary engineers, operators and so on to develop a golf course. We are talking 100’s of NEW JOBS lasting several years, paying taxes contributing to the LOCAL economy.
Then there is the tax revenue on the newly post prop 13 tax assessments paying into the counties coffers. I could go on and on, this project would bring Jobs and tax revenue versus idle non productive or revenue generating land where the local rich families can worship as there right,
Wake up! "

chilesvalley wrote on Jun 3, 2009 1:28 PM:

" I was shocked at how Diane Dillon mocked the local supporters of Lake Luciana. She let us know that she is a real golfer, and we who support Luciana in Chiles and Pope Valley don't care about golf because none of us had ever golfed at a famous Oregon course she knew, and she declared that all we want is a country club. Well Sally Kimsey is right, this is not just about a golf course, this is about property rights. If the planning commission is going to encourage land owners to apply for permits to develop their land only to be slammed by the commissioners and the board of supervisors then perhaps a lawsuit is the way to wake them up so they get their facts right in the future. However, I believe the three supervisors made the wrong decision out of fear, bias and nostalgic ideas about Pope Valley.
By the way, those who don't believe Luciana would hire people from our local community are just plain wrong. Those of us who have businesses in the Chiles Pope Valley area try to hire local people or find them housing here because it is a long way to drive and a deterrent to taking the job. "

hope4napa wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:33 PM:

" It was quite touching hearing Mr. Wagenknecht lament about not being able to go to Calistoga Ranch for 4H meetings any longer, while admitting that the TOT taxes from that property have been a welcome influx to the County. My question to him would be this; what activity is this evil developer stealing from Napa County children that takes place on the property where the golf course was proposed? none...no one goes out there because the land is forgotten, unplantable and remote. The major opponents can take their smug smiles home, sit on their porches on top of their fat wallets looking out at their back forty, and think, yes, it's still mine, all mine. Never mind that they can't see the Luciana property from theirs or that the development would have little to no impact on their lives. and put out of your mind what is etched on mine, the Berryessa Estates resident, with his head in his hands, defeated with the 3-2 vote, knowing that job he was hoping for just went up in smoke and the house he worked so hard to own will soon follow. Thank you Chairman Luce and Supervisor Dodd for thinking about the betterment of the county as a whole instead of the hypocritical desires of a handful of people. Dodd is right, we are headed for trouble. No one in their right mind will want to attempt to do business here and Napa will be in deep. But like Dodd says, "I guess you don't give a rip". "

reader wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:49 PM:

" Development is inevitable. The affected communities need to guide the type of development that will occur.

Pope Valley residents, on both sides of this issue, should gather together and come to agreeable terms on how you would like to see Pope Valley develop in the future. So, when new development proposals come forward, and they will come, you will all be speaking as one powerful and unified voice.

SRA came about in just this way, as a grass roots effort; the organized voice of the community residents. "

Paddy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 3:43 PM:

" If you buy ag land, be it in the ag preserve or ag watershed, be prepared to utilize it as ag land. Those who complain about 'property rights' are wrong. Use the land as it's intened, and it's not intended to be used for homes, hotels, restaurants and golf courses. The logic is not negotiable. "

amazed wrote on Jun 3, 2009 3:56 PM:

" Let the lawsuits begin. This one will keep the lawyers fat for some time to come. "

realist2 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 4:48 PM:

" vanappan...I so wish you would go on and on. Maybe it would help the naive. "

renrut wrote on Jun 3, 2009 5:21 PM:

" This vote shows what we can expect from the BOS. They are not going to let the facts get in the way of their slow growth mindset. Nothing we can do about it now. By the way, the huge (for us) media campaign did nothing. This vote was predicted in November when the votes were counted. So if you want to be mad at someone, pick Mr. Simpson. I am Joe Turner - why don't the rest of you say who you are? Anonymous stuff means nothing. "

gaslight wrote on Jun 3, 2009 7:02 PM:

" Paddy says "use the land as it's intended, and it's not intended to be used for homes, hotels, restaurants and golf courses". Hasn't the Aetna Springs Resort property included all those uses going back 100+ years? "

boise1 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:17 PM:

" True Napa Valley citizens will fight the out of town land speculators who will try and destroy our agriculture heritage. I dare them to sue. And you won't have any luck either if you try putting it to the vote of the people. Look at our voting history. We will protect open space. "

pvrider wrote on Jun 3, 2009 9:52 PM:

" Congratulations to Diane, Brad, and Keith for standing up to the supreme pressure applied by the developers! Don't people see that this must be decided on the General Plan and zoning ordinances? Jobs and revenue isn't the issue. Do you want a city in Pope Valley? Move to Napa!!!! Agriculture is the best and highest use of land in Napa Valley. This land was producing premium grapes for 15 years! How can you say it is not suitable for agriculture. The only reason land values are high in this county is because of agriculture. If you want to live in a big city or in a county where you can do whatever you want with your land move there. These developers were told 3 years ago they couldn't meet the findings by county staff and by locals. They should have listened. This is not about their property rights its about our property rights. "

gaslight wrote on Jun 3, 2009 10:04 PM:

" whatever a "True" Napa Valley citizen is... "

Paddy wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:33 PM:

" gaslight - 100 years ago Aetna Springs was a good idea. What has to change now is that 18th century mentality that ag land is up for grabs to developers. "

gaslight wrote on Jun 4, 2009 6:45 AM:

" Paddy -- Aetna Springs Resort coexisted as well in its rural agricultural environment back then as other rural resorts such as Calistoga Ranch and Meadowood Resort coexist well with their ag settings today. Sorry, I can't agree with the blanket notion that ag (shorthand for a grape growing monoculture) is the one and only proper use for rural land, to the exclusion of all other possible uses. "

Econut wrote on Jun 4, 2009 8:40 AM:

" Welcome to neosocialist Napa County. Neighbors have more property rights than owners. "

Econut wrote on Jun 4, 2009 9:37 AM:

" "Agriculture is the best and highest use of land in Napa Valley." That's right. No need for homes, mansions, schools, churches, shopping malls, supermarkets, restaurants, service stations, banks, hospitals, government offices, roads, reservoirs or cemeteries. No need for trees, meadows, rivers or wetlands. Just vines, vines and more vines. Maybe we should should bulldoze everything else.

Emotionalism is the epitaph of enlightenment. "

pvooc1 wrote on Jun 4, 2009 12:26 PM:

" I am a PV resident. I love PV and want it to keep its rural character for decades to come. But having an agressive no-growth platform is not the end answer. PV NEEDS modest development to survive as a COMMUNITY. It was once a viable community with restaurants, a bar, and places for its residents to gather. But that all changed as corporations bought up many thousands of acres of family farms and bulldozered the old homesteads for vineyards. PV's population has been on a steady decline since then and will continue to decline without change. Luciana was the right project for PV. Its impact on our rural lifestyle was negligable; it's in a "bowl" that no can see and prohibits ridgetop construction. Of course it would provide much needed jobs and tax revenues. But most important it would have sent a message to all that PV is not off limits to intelligent and modest progress. Instead the BOS has sent a clear message to stay away from PV. So the Farm Center will continue to decay, our Elementary School attendance will diminish as families with children choose not to move to an area that lacks basic services. We hoped our young son might stay in PV as an adult. But we do not own a multi-thousand acre ranch or winery to leave him....

This is what LL was all about; the self-preservation and future of our PV community, NOT GOLF. Shame on you Diane Dillon. I thought you were much smarter and above bowing down to a few special friends. By the way, we really were not impressed that you've played Abandoned Dunes. Pathetic. "

bhenery wrote on Jun 4, 2009 5:05 PM:

" LL was about $$$ for a few at the total expense of Napa County tax payers and the farming families who would be impacted by this defeated development.

Too big, too high brow, too urban for this small community.

C & R should get back to work on Aetna Springs.....which had the support of the community.

Supervisors made the right call on this ill placed project! "

hope4napa wrote on Jun 4, 2009 7:00 PM:

" bhenery, please explain how Lake Luciana would have been developed at the "total expense" of Napa County tax payers. Also if you don't mind, elaborate on how the farming families would be negatively impacted? Since this was defeated, how many of the project opponents or wineries are lining up to snatch up this great farmland that was almost turned into a golf course of all things? No one, because it is undesireable soil as attested by numerous local expert vineyard managers. So, it will continue to lay fallow. "

emu wrote on Jun 4, 2009 7:12 PM:

" There are too many people complaining about the decision of the BOS who seem to have no clue about the GENERAL PLAN. This document serves as the "constitution" of the county and has just been completely updated for the first time since the 80's. There were sessions for public input at the very beginning, after the first draft and after the second draft. The new GP was approved June 3 of last year. It defines very clearly the slow-growth, ag-serving policies of the county. If you wanted urbanization in the countryside, you should have put in your two cents when you were invited to do so, not now. The BOS, at least three of them, are only acting in accordance with the land use policies in the GP, which do allow golf courses, but not urbanized ones like the overblown Lake Luciana project. A more modest and local-serving (not locals-as- servants) project might have been approved. "

bcnapa wrote on Jun 4, 2009 8:56 PM:

" A prediction for the future and possibly some information for the misinformed. I live in Napa, and have for almost 50 years, work for a local contractor and have done work on 2 previous projects for Criswell Radovan. Dillon will not have a job come next election. Luciana will go through, not on schedule, but it will be built, the ground work is laid, Dillon may have paid some favors to some old friends, but this one was the straw that broke the camels back. Chairman Luce and Supervisor Dodd listened to the Planning Commissioner's staff, which did the research and originally recommended approval of the project, and voted appropriately. Most of us realize we live in a destination town. Look at virtually everything that has been built since Napa passed up Disneyland as California's #1 tourist destination. If you want to see politics involved in land use take a trip to Berryessa. It is a ghost town, a little lost revenue there I would think. And what about the wastewater treatment fiasco. I have heard people accuse the developer of trying to buy LL for the sum of 500K. Developers routinely are asked to improve roads, traffic lanes and lights. What is the difference? The real question should be what happened to the funds that Berryessa residents have been paying since there water bills tripled to pay for the improvements. How sad that some of you brag about being wined and dined, I bet you didn't miss one meeting, where else is there to eat in PV. Understand the general plan , this project meets all 7 requirements, don't you think that the research was done before a shovel hit the dirt. "

mypopevalley wrote on Jun 4, 2009 10:35 PM:

" bhenery and paddy and Napa County-

I hope that Mr. Criswell Sues the County for the right to use his property as the County allows.

Since the County, short of Staff cannot produce the justification within the 30 days customary, I hope he Sues us for that also.

I would like him to sue the Register for allowing comments to the articles to go through that use slanderous language from the likes of 'Jasper.'

Napa County can forget about Aetna Springs.

b-henery---how dare anyone commenting or letter writers request for Aetna Springs, a resort hotel to be developed and deny the golf project claiming it to be too highbrow?

a golf club markets to locals and their friends and guests. They look locally for activity and monthly dues and golf rounds to generate food revenue.

a resort hotel markets Nationally and Internationally. Who from the local community will spend $700 a night to stay down the street from their own home? Are you going to be ahnging out in the bar ordering a $22 burger and a $14 cocKtail?

Sounds pretty high brow to me...

Why would Criswell or anybody ever deal with this place?

Mr. Dodd is correct-ms. Dillon and mr. Wagenknecht don't give a rip about people in the County.

Mr. Luce is correct in the logic, if trails are urban because they exist in the cities then they can no longer exist in the Rural environment.

Will the lawsuit create or not create jobs?

I do not know the answer. "

mypopevalley wrote on Jun 4, 2009 11:04 PM:

" I too believe ms. dillon is walking herself out of office.

Maybe she will have more time to go play golf somewhere other than in her own community and add to those communities TOT taxes and enjoy golf in a Urban landscape like Bandon Oregon.

Thanks for mocking us for wanting a golf course for a reason other than wanting to play golf there.

I would assume that there are thousands of people today in the US and hundreds of thousands over the last one hundred years that work and have worked at a golf course in their community not to play golf but to work at a place of Rural Natural Beauty. Not in an office.

If I were to bus tables, I would rather do it at a golf course than fast serve restaurant. Anybody else?

Where one would be treated nicely
by the patrons, because most people at golf clubs are in a better mood than in an emergency room.

Otherwise, I could work in a vineyard.
Thank you for fighting for AG sierra club.

All hours of the night and morning. Out in the cold and rain.
Health plan? Government?
401 k? yeah!
Hot lunch?
Dental, vision?
now let's talk about the wage...minimum? at best.

oh and by the way, what vineyard?


Many, many are really offended by the conduct, attitude and result of these actions of the Supervisors and the antagonistic conduct. "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 4, 2009 11:50 PM:

" emu-
Thank you...you recite the dillon platform for denial of the golf course. was this language of urbanized landscape in the GP when all the other golf courses were approved?
Then this should pass also! ooooops!
lawsuit slip.

I thought it more extraodinary that the NoN Politically motivated County Staff recommended approval, you would have thought they would have caught that one about urban and shot it down. Or maybe the other Supervisors would have been tipped off to say that also by their "Wizard behind the Curtain" from the activist groups.

Especially when caldwell actually got the correct version. well at least your reading something.
thinking of caldwell,
traffic does not define urban.

Population defines urban. How many people drive in and out of Yosemite? Urban? well maybe.

you also mention a more modest version? does that mean you can control costs also now? could you help me regulate the cost of gas?

I would prefer a more modest version of gas pricing for locals. Can you force the next gas station to local pricing?

get your laws off my body!!! "

kkjp wrote on Jun 5, 2009 6:38 AM:

" Emu -- Apparently you can include the Napa County Planning Dept. staff in the group of people you claim have "no clue about the General Plan". After all, the Planning Dept. determined the Luciana project met the General Plan's conditions and recommended approval.

You claim land use policies in the General Plan allow golf courses but not "urbanized ones". Please site the section in the General Plan that states this. It doesn't seem to exist. "

Econut wrote on Jun 5, 2009 10:23 AM:

" It amazes me how vintners in Napa Valley can feel so threatened by what happens on the other side of the mountain.

I suspect that at some point in the future the agricultural hegemony over land use policies in the county will backfire...once enough people become offended by all of their bullying. And given the current economic climate, perhaps the electorate mood will swing soon. "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 5, 2009 10:47 AM:

" paddy-you say 18th century? are you saying the native americans built Aetna Springs?
your the mentality that Ag (grape land)land is scarce is bunk
apparently, you could grow grapes in any soil type as some have claimed then why is there any reason to save every square inch of Napa County for grapes? Would someone help me understand that?
I cannot wait until Chile, New Zealand, South Africa, Agrentina, or maybe even Oregon wins the coveted Paris booze party then Napa goes backwards again. "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 AM:

" Econut-it will happen. It will take a recession where people stop buying $100 bottle of wine.
Can you say all next year? "

notalwaysright wrote on Jun 7, 2009 6:54 PM:

" Cause a golf course where a golf course used to be would hurt the ag land..... Whatever! "

ni4ni wrote on Jun 8, 2009 11:33 AM:

" Listen to most of you. It is clear that many of those weighing in have never even seen Lake Luciana, let alone Pope Valley. If you had and you had a true understanding of the conditions of the property, Ag or otherwise, and you knew the business history of Ag on the property and in the area in general, it would be clear why grapes & cattle can't work and why icon golf can.

You know, Sierra Club used to be an honorable organization. It's been co-opted by foolish extremists. Worse yet, Napa Farm Bureau goose-steps in synch with Sierra Club. What does that tell you about NCFB? "

lostinpv wrote on Jun 8, 2009 7:33 PM:

" The Aetna Springs staff was informed today that they are out of jobs and the golf course and clubhouse is permanently closed--effective immediately. So there it is---more lost jobs for hardworking Napa County residents as a direct result of bad and special interest politics. Congratulations "County Supervisors" Dillon, Wagenect and Caldwell. Think about the mothers and fathers who had to go home tonight and tell their spouses and young children they lost their jobs today. Way to go! "

notalwaysright wrote on Jun 9, 2009 4:22 PM:

" Just proves vineyards are the only important thing in this valley.
I'm surorised there is a plant left that isn't a grape vine... Oh yeah and not to mention the vineyards don't pay taxes on most of their employee's because they are illegal. No tax dollars there for the county. What a crock. Council members should definitely go back where they came from. Why create jobs for anyone other than the illegals?!! And to force others out of their jobs on top of it. What A crock!! "

wb5218 wrote on Jun 9, 2009 10:42 PM:

" agreed, not always right-
grapes yes and really only the fermented juice is the only consideration in Napa County.

There is a stronger campaign to "watch out for" the insects that could harm the vines Rather than "watching out for" the people of the County.

People are our greatest resource!
People are our greatest resource!

Who doesn't know that?

Wake up Napa County, you are in a Wine induced COMA! "

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