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Early results show voters statewide rejecting all but 1F
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
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9:48 p.m.LOS ANGELES - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger pitched the measures on Tuesday's special election ballot as a short-term patch for the state's budget deficit and a long-term fix for a broken budgeting system.

Now, the governor faces problems on both fronts, after voters rejected four of five of the budget-balancing measures on the ballot. One remained undecided but was effectively moot.
"Tonight we have heard from the voters and I respect the will of the people who are frustrated with the dysfunction in our budget system," Schwarzenegger said in a statement late Tuesday. "Now we must move forward from this point to begin to address our fiscal crisis with constructive solutions."

The failure of the measures means California's budget deficit will grow by nearly $6 billion above the current $15.4 billion deficit, forcing Schwarzenegger to make further cuts to state programs already facing major rollbacks.
And because of the failure of Schwarzenegger's lynchpin measure, Proposition 1A, the fiscal roller coaster he has complained about since taking office is likely to continue, potentially undermining any other policy initiatives he would like to pursue during his remaining months in office.

That measure would have created a stronger rainy day fund for troubled times and capped state spending, while extending a series of tax increases lawmakers approved earlier this year.
The budget package signed by Schwarzenegger earlier this year that put the measures on Tuesday's ballot already raised taxes by $12.8 billion and cut $15 billion from state programs.

Voters also hold a low opinion of the Legislature and Schwarzenegger, who spent Election Day in Washington, D.C., where he joined a White House announcement of new auto requirements that will increase fuel-efficiency standards and reduced greenhouse gas emissions.

Schwarzenegger explained his decision to leave California by saying that President Barack Obama had asked him to be there for the announcement. The new auto rules were in response to a California clean-air regulation that the federal government previously had blocked the state from implementing.

"It was important to come here since California was the motivating force behind this agreement in the first place," Schwarzenegger said in a telephone interview. "We've been fighting that battle for seven years, playing the role of David here."

He was scheduled to return to California on Wednesday to meet with lawmakers and discuss options for the budget.

During his campaigning throughout California, the Republican governor encountered voters frustrated with the state's persistent budget problems. Voters have told him they want to know why he hasn't solved California's fiscal problems, as he promised to do when he was elected in the 2003 recall of Gov. Gray Davis.

Schwarzenegger has urged them to look beyond the immediate crisis. He has focused most of his energy on Proposition 1A, which would implement a state spending cap and rainy day fund in exchange for temporary tax increases.

That's the kind of reform California must have to avoid "being the poster child of dysfunction," he said.

"The people should know that this is about California's legacy," he said over the weekend at a Los Angeles-area church. "This is about California's future."

But voters also have heard this before. They took Schwarzenegger's advice in 2004 and voted for a rainy day fund, with the governor saying it would smooth out the wild swings in California's budget process.

Voters' antipathy about being asked again to decide state budget issues in a non-election year is reminiscent of 2005's special election, when a slate of Schwarzenegger reform efforts went down to defeat.

Even so, Californians will look to Schwarzenegger to lead them out of the state's latest fiscal disaster, said Barbara O'Connor, director of the Institute for the Study of Politics and Media at Sacramento State University.

"And they're going to have to listen the day after the election because the state's going to be out of money," she said.

Associated Press Writer Kevin Freking in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.
45 comment(s)

cab e-girl wrote on May 19, 2009 8:39 PM:

" I guess Californians are finally starting to awaken to the out of control spending this state has perpetrated against the taxpayers in this state. It's time to vote the bums out and hire fiscally responsible representatives. Time to put the "special interest" groups on the back burner and start looking out for everyone. This is a disaster...... "

Raven wrote on May 19, 2009 8:48 PM:

" Obviously looking out for everyone means except for our kids, our elderly, our infirm...and that is just to start with. "

Vercingetorex wrote on May 19, 2009 9:00 PM:

" OR...the state could make cuts to the countless redundant, useless and
well over staffed agencies that have over run the state government like weeds.
But I guess you never considered that.
This is how the state gets billions of dollars in the red. "

DinoSilver wrote on May 19, 2009 9:07 PM:

" Raven - I think everyone who voted no on these propositions is ing more than it takes in, period. This past recession forced everyone's personal budgets way down, and our state needs to do the same. No one likes or wants our kids, the elderly or the infirm to suffer. However, we also can't keep borrowing our way to a balanced budget, and we can't hope things will change so we can spend like we have been. Now, our legislators will be forced, line by line, to get rid of anything wastefull, duplicated, or not immediately needed to run this state. It will also bring to light what our legislators real priorities are - their careers or governing our state. "

AreYouSerious74 wrote on May 19, 2009 9:17 PM:

" how about those "comissions" that pay $136K @ yr. what a crock. "

Raven wrote on May 19, 2009 9:56 PM:

" One of the wasteful programs proposed to be eliminated to close the gap...

$5.9 million...Eliminate State Funding for the California Poison Control System. This funding supports a statewide network of trained experts providing immediate free treatment advice and assistance to California citizens over the telephone in cases involving exposure to poisonous or hazardous substances.

Make sure you lock up all your hazardous materials.

and counting on a cal-grant to help get your kids thru college?..look for soemthing else...

$87.5 million - Various CalGrant Cost Containment Measures. This solution includes elimination of new awards for the Competitive CalGrant program ($52.9 million), freezing income eligibility ($7 million); reducing maximum awards for students attending private institutions from $9,708 to $8,322 ($11 million), and partially decoupling award levels from UC and CSU fee increases ($16.6 million).

Go take a look at the gov's May budget revision to see more of these wasteful programs. "

Raven wrote on May 19, 2009 9:58 PM:

" Oh and those commissions and boards?...saves 50 million by eliminating and consolidating a lot of them. "

DinoSilver wrote on May 19, 2009 10:32 PM:

" Raven - 50 million is a good start. California cannot say it has trimmed it's budget down to the bare bones until all the extra's are gone. This past year families have been forced to take away all unneccessary budget items - it's time the state followed suit. "

charliesheen wrote on May 19, 2009 10:49 PM:

" I'd like to see those responsible for the gross misrepresentation of prop 1A held to account. Kudos to California state voters for seeing through the smokescreen and recognizing that the spending cap was phony.

Score one for the good guys. "

Paddy wrote on May 19, 2009 10:54 PM:

" Raven states: "$5.9 million...Eliminate State Funding for the California Poison Control System."

These are EXACTLY the types of programs that need to be cut. Millions have survived entire lives without programs of this nature. These programs are packed with pork and overhead and need to go.

Cut all the spending on all the free-loaders. If you or your family haven't contributed to the system than you shouldn't be entitled. This is exactly the result of "them" giving us their "poor, tired and hungry" for the past hundred years.

This is the 21st century, it's time to reevaluate our priorities. "

napamouth wrote on May 20, 2009 12:59 AM:

" Great to see Californeye-an's are waking up. Quit spending money we don't have. We allocate millions of dollars to child care for migrant workers (families), 5,000 state employees receive annual pensions of over $100,000, taxes are one of the highest in the nation, second behind NY I believe, and business and people are leaving CA in droves. You cannot stimulate the economy by taxing people out and the middle class are at the point where they can't afford to move to another state. Prop. taxes sky high but our homes are worth what we paid for them 15 - 20 years ago, vehicle taxes enomously high, on and on it goes. We need a government who can manage our finances, not waste it on senseless programs, helping illegal immigrants...giving child care, health care, social security, etc...it's time to wake up and quit hitting on the taxpayers because of poor management in the government. "

Vercingetorex wrote on May 20, 2009 5:30 AM:

" Raven...Gee, you've convinced me.
There is nothing any sensible person can do to control the size and budget of a state that has CONSISTENTLY
overspent and wasted taxpayer money.
I guess the only smart thing to do is just sign over your
paycheck to Sacramento and hope you have enough left to live on somehow after they've taken what they need to fund the essential
California Poison Control Board. "

OU now wrote on May 20, 2009 6:12 AM:

" Anything that takes the place of personal responsibilty should be cut. poision control is your/ my responsibilty, not the state. Some taxes should be "pay as you go" like hunting fees used to be. Hunters and people who use the park systems could fund wild life,fish and public lands. But these funds should never go to Gen. fund.(this is why I have not bought a fishing or hunting license in 16 years) The government, like all of us tend to live on what is taken in. Cut taxes, and what is not needed will be cut. Prop 13 was not the end of the world like they told us it would be. People should not starve if they take responsibilty for their own life( eat more 'possem) Kids will still learn if parents take responsibilty for them, And why give free health care, housing,and lunches to non-citizens? I have been homeless, I have been hungry, and been without a job. But I have NEVER asked for a handout. Am I more of a man than everybody else? No, just proud. "

antipc wrote on May 20, 2009 6:50 AM:

" Here's a good place to start cutting.

The Texas Legislature only convenes every other year & regular sessions run from mid Jan through the end of May.

Now that's change I can get behind. "

LMW wrote on May 20, 2009 6:52 AM:

" Hmmmm looks like voters are ready for new captain and crew!

Like in Napa County, responsiblility towards commonsense needs and rid irresponsible useless spending and needless programs. "

Maya wrote on May 20, 2009 7:01 AM:

" I am very appreciative for the poison control hotline. I have had to call it twice for my child who gets into everything. Not all the public programs are useful for everybody, but that doesn't mean that they should just be thrown out. "

Talking Bird wrote on May 20, 2009 7:04 AM:

" The elite media told us that the April tea parties was merely a production of FOX news, and a few disappointed republicans!

Can you hear us now? "

Cadence wrote on May 20, 2009 7:08 AM:

" I googled poison control. I found there are quite a few free, 24/7 poison control hotlines with toll free numbers. Why did California have to have its own in the first place? What lobbyists' relative or politically connected hack was paid off with an unnecessary board?
I naively have high hopes that more rot like this program are finally uncovered and cut away.
I have an old acacia in my yard and it wasn't looking too healthy. Gobs of parasitic mistletoe were removed from my backyard tree and my tree is thriving and beautiful now.
Parasites and parasitic programs are just plain unsustainable in the long run. "

cab e-girl wrote on May 20, 2009 7:35 AM:

" I don't think anyone in the state wants our children, elderly or sick to suffer. There is an extraordinary amount of waste in the budget of the State of California. Taxpayers are not asking for cuts in education, they are asking politicians to cut the cra* and start spending wisely. Get rid of the waste that the politicians have been building into the general budget for over 30 years. The Obama administration needs to take a good hard look at what just happened in California, because taxpayers all over this country have had it with politicians and wasteful spending. The next step is to throw out the creeps who put us in this situation. That includes Arnold and all the democrats who have created this fiscal crisis. "

Wild Bill wrote on May 20, 2009 7:51 AM:

" Google California State agencies and see the waste and duplicity. The waste will be evident. Ever wonder why California needs its own State EPA, State OSHA, when the federal government has them already in place? "

PastNapan wrote on May 20, 2009 7:52 AM:

" Raven: There is nothing stopping YOU and the rest of the liberals in this state from voluntarily paying more taxes. Go ahead and put your money where your mouth is. I on the other hand have had my fill of this nonsense. I'm tired of paying ridiculous taxes and cost of living to live in this once great state that has become the laughing stock of the country. Those who run this state are so clueless they don't realize how much worse it's going to get when those of us that pay the huge majority of taxes in this state MOVE. Which is what I'm in the process of doing. My neighbors are moving to Texas because they have had enough.
This state is going to implode, enjoy your liberal paradise and good luck figuring out how to pay for it all. "

Raven wrote on May 20, 2009 7:59 AM:

" Tell that to the parents whose child swallows something they shouldn't have, paddy and they grab for the telephone for help..tell them their child wasn't worth the money, tell them they were freeloaders and we couldn't afford to have a system that could have saved their child. "

Rocketman wrote on May 20, 2009 8:36 AM:

" Raven, You need to explain to us why an overwhelming amount of voters, including democrats, voted all these messures down. Can you explain that?? "

bj wrote on May 20, 2009 9:10 AM:

" Why does the media try to make voters feel bad by saying "Napa schools and police likely to feel pain"... It's not our fault. Well it's not mine anyway. I didn't vote for any of our current politicians in the last two state elections! "

amazed wrote on May 20, 2009 9:19 AM:

" There's always room to cut a bit more, just like at home. One area is the sacred cow of education. Some teachers ought to go. Unfortunately, it won't be based on merit, but by the length of time one has been warming his or her chair. I know of two excellent teachers who have gotten pink-slips, while one clock-watcher sits secure. It won't be fair, and it won't be easy. "

tripnote wrote on May 20, 2009 9:41 AM:

" Happy Day to you, that is if you're a tax paying citizen. "

reason-ator wrote on May 20, 2009 10:08 AM:

" I feel kinda shallow when I'm discussing an issue and someone who is trying to convince others to vote the same way I'm going to vote ACTUALLY makes me want to change my position and vote differently that I did.

I have to remember to be logical and sensible instead. "

freeport56 wrote on May 20, 2009 10:51 AM:

" Raven- WHOA, way over the top answers there buddy. Stop using the standard liberal response "What Programs are you going to cut?" You sound like the Willie Brown interview I heard yesterday.

There are tons of programs, departmental duplication, no-bid contracts, employee overhead, property to sell.....the list goes on and on. The fantasy of funding a Utopian Nanny State is just that a fantasy.

These incompeteants in our state government do not care about you and me, they care about votes and that is it. They provide their little social programs so that guys like you tow the party line in forums like this. Our state is crashing and burning because of the wasteful spending, decit, and fraud by our electeds. It is time to stand up to them. Yesterday was good start. Prop F will not mean much even though it passed. They can vote raises around it, that is how it is written.

Too bad we do not do public flogging any more, some of them could use it. "

Raven wrote on May 20, 2009 11:53 AM:

" so give us the numbers, freeport...one of the biggest problems is people keep mouthing platitudes without having an idea of what the numbers are and where the cuts will really be coming from. The document is there..look at what is going to be cut.

I have given just three examples of the cuts we are facing and the money involved...so you made you choice, get ready for the consequences.

As for over the top, over the top is the casual dismissal of the eliminating a program that directly saves lives, esp lives of children, as wasteful. "

tfytmp wrote on May 20, 2009 2:25 PM:

" The current crisis can be blamed on every elected official in the country and all their top staff. They all allowed it to happen by not stopping the risky home loans. They could have and should have done this. This first time I heard about the risky loans I knew it was a disaster waiting to happen. I just did not know how many were done. IF I HAD KNOWN HOW MANY RISKY LOANS WERE OUT THERE, I WOULD HAVE MADE SOMEONE IN POWER LSITEN; to stop the dangerous lending practices. "

napacabdriver wrote on May 20, 2009 5:54 PM:

" If these guys in Sacramento admit (like they have)that they can not do the job they were hired to do then they need to quit taking pay. and let someone else do the job. "

Raven wrote on May 20, 2009 6:29 PM:

" You explain it, Rocketman. becuase I can't. At the same time the reduced the term for the recent tax hikes (I wonder how many actually think they will be seeing a tax cut from the state soon) and also said no to a cap on future spending and increasing the rainy day fund.

So they don't want more taxes but also don't want any limits for future state spending or more money set aside when times are flush for times like we have today.

I will bet the screaming will soon begin as the programs they use get cut and cut hard to meet the new budget requirements.

Be careful what you ask for, you may get it. "

Cadence wrote on May 20, 2009 6:54 PM:

" Raven, here are two numbers:

$5,900,000.00 (savings from eliminating funding to the California Poison Control System)

1-800-222-1222 (National Capital Poison Center, founded in 1980, is an independent, private, not-for-profit 501(c)(3) organization affiliated with The George Washington University Medical Center. In recognition of its high quality, the Center is certified by the American Association of Poison Control Centers)

Strangely, the touted California Poison Control System lists the above phone number on its website. Maya's child may continue to safely get into everything. "

Raven wrote on May 20, 2009 9:25 PM:

" The National Capital poison control center doesn't serve the entire nation, Cadence, it serves these areas....Washington DC, parts of Maryland and Virgina that are adjacent to the capitol.

Re: the 800 number. According to the AAPCC web site, the American Association of Poison Control Centers has launched a nationwide number for access to the 61 US poison control centers. The number, 1-800-222-1222, is routed to the local poison center serving the caller, based on the area code and exchange of the caller. The number is functional 24-hours a day in the 50 states, the District of Columbia, the US Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

So when the centers are closed, there will be no local poison center to be connected to.

From the California center web site... More than 50 percent of poisonings happen to children 5 years old and under and more than 90 percent happen at home,” said Stuart Heard, Executive Director of the California Poison Control System.

The CPCS manages over 300,000 cases annually – that’s 900 every day.

In 2008, managing cases through CPCS telephone consultation saved $70 million in health care costs. Eliminating the service would result in an additional 164,000 emergency room visits, either directly or by ambulance, every year.

So how safe is that child? "

Cadence wrote on May 21, 2009 7:40 AM:

" You are correct, Raven. Every district and state runs its own center and they all share the same number (I didn't know because I've never used the number in ANY state or district. I do, however, place toxins out of reach of short people, but tall toddlers are on their own.)
Might these dozens and dozens of PCCs be consolidated? Is poison control different by region, or is poison poison wherever one is? And would consolidation save money???
I firmly believe, Raven, that the anonymous child you refer to will be a heck of a lot safer if his parents can pay their bills! "

Rocketman wrote on May 21, 2009 1:57 PM:

" Raven, My point is this was overwhelmingly a bipartisan vote. Many democrats are fed up with THIS group of legislators as well. Of course they are going to focus their cuts that set deep with the emotions of the public. They will cut the essential things like education and public safety and save their pork barrel programs from the cuts. That way they can tell us that WE caused this not THEM. They are doing what WE told them WE wanted. What a crock!! How about starting with all the benefits given to illegals. How many billions would be saved just cutting these programs??? "

Raven wrote on May 21, 2009 2:52 PM:

" The only one under California control is the one being eliminated, you would need federal action to consolidate I would imagine - and someone would probably still have to come up with the 5.9 million no matter how it is run.

Rocketman, with only 23 percent of registered voters even bothering to show up, calls of a bipartisan decision seem a bit of a reach...and I haven't seen any stats yet on how many of the total that voted were dems.

And yeah, they will be doing what the voters told them to do...since the voters said no to extending the taxes increases, they have to cut. and if you look at the gov may revisions, services to illegals will be cut as far as the feds allow...as well as cutting services to legal immigrants.

here is a nice lil elimination tidbit from the May Budget Rervision

$34.7 million - Payments to Counties for Agricultural and Open Space Land Preserves. The May Revision proposes to eliminate state subventions to local governments for open space and agricultural land under the Williamson Act. Currently, the State backfills a portion of the revenue lost by local governments when they enter into voluntary agreements with land owners for lower property tax assessments when those land owners agree to use the land only for agricultural or open space purposes. "

Rocketman wrote on May 21, 2009 3:57 PM:

" Raven said: Rocketman, with only 23 percent of registered voters even bothering to show up, calls of a bipartisan decision seem a bit of a reach...and I haven't seen any stats yet on how many of the total that voted were dems.

Not much of a reach Raven...........what you are saying is either, only Republican's voted, or the Democrats could care less about this election.........I guess that is what you are saying??

And if all these props passed, the deficit would still be 16.5 Billion......so what's the big deal??

Why is it our job to bail out incompetence?..........that should be the real question. "

Rocketman wrote on May 21, 2009 4:00 PM:

" ..........the issue of cuts should be done in a priority of importance process.......but it won't...........it will be done in a politically correct process........which we all know has nothing to do with importance of needs of the electorate........... "

Raven wrote on May 21, 2009 9:27 PM:

" no, I am saying I want to see the data on who voted......and yeah, that extra 5 to 6 billion makes a lot of difference. "

Rocketman wrote on May 22, 2009 10:46 AM:

" NVR............is there ANY info out there that shows the parties breakdown on this election?? Demo v. Rep. "

NVR-Dan Ross wrote on May 22, 2009 10:58 AM:

" Rocketman:
Generally, those types of breakdowns are not completed until the last ballots are counted. We do not have those figures at this time. "

Rocketman wrote on May 22, 2009 11:03 AM:

" NVR...............thanks........... "

steph wrote on May 24, 2009 3:49 PM:

" It would be a lot cheaper to have a user-friendly database of poison management guidelines, accessable to healthcare providers and laypeople. A national hotline could serve as a back-up.
Let's use technology where we can. "

Raven wrote on May 25, 2009 12:51 AM:

" and they would access this database how? "

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