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Napa Pipe presentation stirs debate
Tuesday, February 24, 2009
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Developers’ vision for Napa Pipe is coming into focus, and they want Napa County residents to envision it, too.

Where the dry dock stands along the Napa River on the south county site, developers beckon to you to imagine a lively outdoor theater. Where cranes bow down to an industrial skyline, they ask you to picture 2,580 homes and an array of parks, restaurants and stores.
Even the skeptical at Wednesday’s Napa County Planning Commission meeting, where architects for Napa Pipe described their would-be creations, acknowledged the images were enticing. But for all the pictures that flashed across the screen, opponents battled back with one pointed word: “city.”

The purpose of Wednesday’s hearing was to give commissioners and the public an understanding of how the Napa Pipe proposal came to be. But when one architect slipped up and referred to the carefully proclaimed “neighborhood” as a “town,” he mistakenly touched upon one of the most highly charged debates surrounding the development proposed for the 152-acre site in south Napa County. Just what is Napa Pipe? Is it a neighborhood? A town? A city outside of a city?
Bill Rawn, the Boston-based architect who is part of the Napa Pipe design team, expressed architects’ desire to “ensure there is a sense of neighborhood” at Napa Pipe.

He showed images of the “shopping and recreation that serve the population of the Napa Pipe neighborhood,” which would include a restaurant, outdoor theater and hotel. He also noted the employment opportunities at Napa Pipe, which would feature light industrial and office space, as well as a senior housing facility.
“It’s a mixture of uses; that is very important,” Rawn said.

Rawn said the nearly 3,000 homes would include “a series of different housing units,” from modest houses to medium-sized townhouses to apartments, thereby creating “a truly mixed community” with residents from a variety of income levels.

“It is all about letting the street life of the community being part of the neighborhood,” Rawn said, adding, “All this leads to a compact building design … (with a) sufficient population to support these goals.”

Napa Pipe architects are doing their best to ensure an environmentally friendly community, he said, with an emphasis on walking, biking and possibly traveling by train and water taxi to one of the 7,000 jobs located within three miles of the site.

Architect Doug Johnston, also of William Rawn Associates, told of the active river uses proposed at Napa Pipe, and his vision for gatherings at the waterfront, of boating and dining and entertainment.

Buildings, he said, would be designed in such a way as to “enliven the street with balconies, stoops overhangs.”

“Housing is the basic element of any great neighborhood,” he said.

Philadelphia landscape architect Dennis McGlade described plans for a variety of parks at Napa Pipe, including a park along the railroad, one along the waterfront and “more rugged and wild open space” throughout the site.

“An open space structure for Napa Pipe is very, very important,” he said.

But when McGlade accidentally referred to his vision for the “town of Napa Pipe,” murmurs erupted through the audience. McGlade quickly corrected himself, clarifying that the Napa Pipe development would be a “community.”

Not all members of the public were convinced.

Francie Winnen of Napa asked the developer to clarify “what the definition of a town is.”

Harold Kelly, a slow-growth advocate from Napa, took the criticism one step further, calling Napa Pipe “a city outside the city” of Napa.

“I think to build a city next to the city is the wrong approach,” he said.

Napa County Farm Bureau Executive Director Sandy Elles complimented the developers’ “all-star team” and “fascinating presentation,” but said that her concern is “not the design of the project but the scale of the project.”

Developer Keith Rogal attempted to allay concerns about the size of Napa Pipe. “This is a neighborhood,” he said, suggesting Napa Pipe would be a neighborhood in much the same way Browns Valley in Napa is a neighborhood.

“The retail is quite a small amount … (only) that which meets the daily needs” of Napa Pipe residents, he said. “It is not by any stretch the kind of center that becomes a city, a town. It is a neighborhood.”

 Bob Fiddaman, chairman of the planning commission, responded to additional environmental concerns raised Wednesday, assuring the public, “This is just the beginning of a very length process.”

Now that the public comment period for the environmental impact review has come to an end, consultants and county officials are busy in the hopes of producing a draft EIR by summer, Napa County Planning Director Hillary Gitelman said.

The county plans to schedule a series of evening public workshops on Napa Pipe, about six in total, she said. Each workshop will focus on a new issue related to Napa Pipe, such as water and traffic.

The first meeting will be scheduled for some time in mid-March, Gitelman said, and will focus on smart growth and other design issues related to Napa Pipe.
29 comment(s)

noblindershere wrote on Feb 24, 2009 7:08 AM:

" are they planning on building a school in that community? No mention of the amount of children living there and how they would get to and from school if it wasn't in their "community" There isn't any money to build a school from our state, so I sure hope the city makes them build an elementary school. I'm sure the design is beautiful and well thought out, but 3,000 homes is quite large. Is this where the city could put all its low income housing? "

kbf wrote on Feb 24, 2009 7:25 AM:

" Mr. Rogal is really reaching if he thinks Napa Pipe is going to be anythink like Browns Valley. Browns Valley has a few businesses not everything they want to put at Napa Pipe. I had never thought about it in that contex before but it would be a city that could sustain itself. I still say NO "

localmama wrote on Feb 24, 2009 8:01 AM:

" Let him do it...It creates more jobs and we know that is needed in this economy. "

kkjp wrote on Feb 24, 2009 9:13 AM:

" noblindershere: No schools are allowed to be built on the site, as it is an airport overflight area. "

5th generation napan wrote on Feb 24, 2009 10:03 AM:

" I thought it was zoned industrial and not residential? Does that effect the overflight area also? "

napagirl76 wrote on Feb 24, 2009 11:02 AM:

" Once again i think what most of us want to know is 1-schools, the state and county have no $ to build new ones and Napa's schools are already full, and now we are losing teachers making less room for kids. 2-traffic- no matter what traffic is going to get worse in south Napa because of the working families needing to get to and from work and taking kids back and forth to school. And last Keith keeps saying these houses well be for Napa's working class, but he can't promise to sale these homes to napa workers. So anyone with the cash can buy a home in napa pipe from a couple looking for a second home to a family from vacaville who works in oakland. So how does that help Napa's blue collar workers? it doesnt. Napa County does not need Napa Pipe. "

Cadence wrote on Feb 24, 2009 11:03 AM:

" The zoning will be changed.
Funny how easy it is to change zoning, change signals, change school attendance zones, change an entire city and county, change any and everything - but NO WAY can the mere thought of changing ABAG's voracious regulations even be whispered.
Too much money to be made. "

proudusamom wrote on Feb 24, 2009 11:05 AM:

" This idea smells worse than the city water!!!!!!!!! "

109823 wrote on Feb 24, 2009 11:16 AM:

" Well with the economy and the housing markets in dire straits it makes all the sense in the world to put 2500 more homes on the market. There's new housing tracts on hold in Browns Valley, there's new town homes/apartments on California that have sat empty for months. Not to mention resales are stagnant some homes with signs in front for over a year. I fail to see the reasoning for more homes. "

reason-ator wrote on Feb 24, 2009 11:41 AM:

" Just "imagine".We'll show you "images" ! We'll show you water taxis and trains ! And flying pigs, too !

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. He'll be gone when the money's been collected.

If I only had a brain......I'd fall for a media presentation. Good thing I couldn't go, because I'm pretty gullible.

People, the tactics are so heavy-handed and deceptive, it's obvious this is going to be a nightmare, and they're trying to disguise it as a wet river dream. I'll bet the water was even crystal clear....... "

noblindershere wrote on Feb 24, 2009 12:40 PM:

" ok, so no schools can be built in the area...what school will these kids be bussed to and who is paying for that increase in district cost??? How can you not think about the children living in this community. Is it going to be a retirement community where children are not allowed. The busing of children to and from American Canyon cost this district millions a year...we can not afford this. Fill up the empty developments we have now before developing more. Like the California Blvd place...isn't it low income? Why is it vacant? Nice idea to revive an old industrial area, but you missed the wodow of opporuntity. "

napat wrote on Feb 24, 2009 12:54 PM:

" Flyover zone for Napa airport. Didn't we nix another "pipe" dream a few years ago for some Texas "developers" who wanted to build homes in a nearby zone? Build it and the lawsuits from jet noise in future years will come. Crazy, just crazy asking for trouble to build near an airport which is sure to grow! Keep this area industrial! "

turkeyvulture wrote on Feb 24, 2009 1:34 PM:

" Hey BANANAS (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything): I agree the current proposal is a tad large. But instead of your endless carping, how about some constructive, realistic ideas for what to do with a hundred acres of industrial ruins, instead of what not to do. "

amazed wrote on Feb 24, 2009 1:37 PM:

" Trouble is, napat, there IS no industry in Napa. The site will sit empty if somebody doesn't do something with it. The question is, do we want to allow what will essentially be a suburb of Napa? "

gizzi143 wrote on Feb 24, 2009 2:59 PM:

" This proposal is a fantastic idea and I support it completely. Our out-dated way of city planning is not sustainable - we need a new way of thinking to create beautiful communities and neighborhoods that provide all of the services we need within walking distance ... that provide parks and open space for everyone to enjoy ... that utilize public transportation ... etc. etc.

Keith Rogal has said numerous times that he will take input from the community and the county to build what is right for Napa. If the county wants him to build a school, he will. My understanding about the thought for this community, however, was to serve the population of Napans that does not require the typical single family dettached house. There are so many people who work in Napa, single people, seniors, etc. that can't afford and don't need a typical 3 bedroom 2 bath on a large lot with a picket fence. Therefore, from what I know, this community would be housing to serve those people and there would be less "families with children" living in this neighborhood. But I am sure that if the county deems a school necessary they will build it.

We need to think outside the box and build for our future and that is exactly what the proposal does. I urge anyone who is unsure to actually go to one of the meetings at Napa Pipe, have a walk around, you will learn how wonderful of a neighborhood this will be. "

gizzi143 wrote on Feb 24, 2009 3:06 PM:

" Regarding the no-fly zone... it is true that there is a portion of the property in the no-fly zone near the airport - but the majority of the property is not ... therefore housing and a school can be built on this portion. The no-fly zone area will be reserved for the light industrial and other aspects of the proposal.

I have a very hard time reading these blogs because so many people give completely wrong information. In my opinion those bloggers are confusing the people who just really want answers. Don't answer questions unless you know the answer. So my suggestion to those who have questions or are unsure - you need to go to one of the community meetings where you actually go to the site and Keith walks you around, shares the demographics and why this type of housing and neighborhood is so needed in our valley. The census figures don't lie - we need a better way of planning for our future. And Napa Pipe will be one of those smart growth communities that is sustainable for our future. "

napakid80 wrote on Feb 24, 2009 4:39 PM:

" I really don’t get all this garbage about Napa Pipe semantics. Adding parks and offices doesn’t make a neighborhood a town; it makes it sustainable and practical, reducing car trips and carbon emissions. If we are going to build more low income housing, and we don’t plan on cramming it into existing neighborhoods, those people deserve access to the same amenities the rest of us enjoy. "

napakid80 wrote on Feb 24, 2009 4:41 PM:

" Kids grow up and move out, so common sense tells us we are going to need more houses in the future. We have been offered a seat at the table in planning for our future. If we want to be productive, Napans need to streamline our energy towards creating smart growth, instead of complaining about the inevitable. No matter what we do, we aren’t going to take Napa back to how it was thirty years ago. If we don’t start planning for homes now, we run the risk of ignoring the issue until it’s too late. Napa Pipe developers have been receptive and cooperative in working with the public. I think we all need to take advantage of the opportunity to have our voices heard, and create a community that really reflects our wants and needs. If you look at Napa Pipe as a work in progress, where community members actually have a chance to have a say in the planning process, it starts to look a lot more like the solution rather than the problem. "

LHnapalover wrote on Feb 24, 2009 4:44 PM:

" All of these Napa Pipe naysayer “glass is half empty” folks need to gain some foresight and vision and look at this situation realistically. Napa Pipe is an opportunity for us to ensure viable, sustainable growth rather than the alternatives: new urban sprawl or overcrowding our existing neighborhoods. If we would have invested in these sorts of projects forty years back- creating homes that people who work in Napa can actually afford- maybe we wouldn’t have all these traffic problems. I don’t want to look back forty years from now at Napa Pipe and say “should have, could have, would have." "

jasonjac wrote on Feb 24, 2009 4:52 PM:

" Regarding schools- it is my understanding is that schools would get more funding from property taxes and other fees that developers are required to pay when they create a new project. With that kind of money, the School Board will be able to figure out what’s best for the students, whether it’s hiring more teachers or building a new school. At this point we don’t even know how many students would live in the Napa Pipe neighborhood. I think we need to step back and consider the potential revenue for our schools before we jump to conclusions. "

ProAngwinConTriad wrote on Feb 24, 2009 5:26 PM:

" KKJP: Who says no schools in an aiport overflight area? Isn't that what you have and are promoting in Angwin? I am not aware of any code or CDOA prohibition that distinguishes schools from dense housing. Can you provide one? "

cpslowine wrote on Feb 24, 2009 6:48 PM:

" Hurry up and build out Napa Pipe. I can't wait to move in. "

Mr. Feasor wrote on Feb 24, 2009 8:34 PM:

" Sounds good to me. So long as no County or City public entity is on the hook for any exposure to potentially toxic chemicals

see, e.g:

http://www.co.napa.ca.us/GOV/Departments/29000/Forms/Napa_Pipe_NOP-IS-FINAL.pdf

(at p. 20, first paragraph (subdivision d.))

But if the developers have the money and are still pushing for it - and the land is just there - why not?

I'm just curious about where those elusive "7,000" jobs are within the three-mile site...I thought we were in a recession? "

LMW wrote on Feb 24, 2009 11:50 PM:

" If one would sit in on these meetings, you'll get some understanding of how Napa folks can stand to change their ways.
We will count on County for EIR, but the folks that weigh in against the project, lets not assume they represent the voice of the people, because Napa County has a diversity of folks and its noticeable, their not at these meetings.

Commentors are so blessed to come from Napa's finer communities, shouldn't we allow that opportunity for others? "

reason-ator wrote on Feb 25, 2009 1:44 PM:

" So what guideline did my comment violate ? "

NVR-Dan Ross wrote on Feb 25, 2009 1:58 PM:

" reason-ator:
The only comment received from you today for this article is the one questioning a deletion. Please resubmit your original comment.

--Dan "

reason-ator wrote on Feb 25, 2009 2:28 PM:

" Thanks, Dan.

Maybe it was yesterday. I made a comment referring to how, all of a sudden, a flood of comments suddenly appeared in favor of more traffic and crowding from Napa Pipe. It was as if the inter-office e-mails and memos took longer to be distributed amongst some of the developers employees.

I was surprized it took so long. "

rogers wrote on Feb 25, 2009 2:55 PM:

" I find it difficult to believe that Keith Rogal and associates are more interested in the quality of Napa's future housing than they are about profit for their investors.

This is simply too many homes for too many people in too limited a space. Napa County wants ABAG off their backs and are willing to cut any deal. IMO this is not a good deal for Napa and the county/city should be looking for better ideas for the use of this property.

It's sad, really, that county planners are so willing to take the first proposal that comes along.

And perhaps I'm missing something, but where does one find published information on these meetings where the public can come in and comment? "

manxkat wrote on Feb 25, 2009 7:07 PM:

" Napa Pipe is bringing more than 2,000 children and they refuse to provide schools for them. Guess who gets to pay for the schools? Napa citizens - just like we will be paying for American Canyon (Aka north Vallejo High) for the next 30 years. "

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