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cfpotter wrote on Jan 20, 2009 9:50 AM:
kevin wrote on Jan 20, 2009 9:51 AM:
B.O. flubbs the oath!
They should have used a teleprompter!
This is going to be an entertaining four years if nothing else!
Even our oratorily challenged former President Bush managed to make it through his oath of office without flubbing it!
Now if I can just figure out what B.O. meant by "waxecution"... "
winegurl wrote on Jan 20, 2009 9:57 AM:
Hear Ye wrote on Jan 20, 2009 9:58 AM:
whatsgoingon wrote on Jan 20, 2009 10:00 AM:
kevin wrote on Jan 20, 2009 10:25 AM:
"NEW YORK (Reuters) – Stock indexes extended losses and hit session lows on Tuesday after President Barack Obama's inauguration speech provided few new details about measures to tackle the growing economic crisis.
"I think people were looking for something, new plans, new hopes," said Joe Saluzzi, co-manager of trading at Themis Trading in Chatam, New Jersey.
"They didn't hear something new." "
redwino wrote on Jan 20, 2009 10:34 AM:
bloodagar wrote on Jan 20, 2009 10:42 AM:
Maya wrote on Jan 20, 2009 10:44 AM:
reader wrote on Jan 20, 2009 10:54 AM:
Wrong. It was your John Roberts who stumbled and incorrectly stated the oath. Obama knew he was wrong and waited for Roberts to correct it, which he did.
You see, Obama has too much integrity to repeat what Roberts incorrectly stated.
Please open yourself to the possiblity that your life and the lives of others will be better in a few short years. It would be a shame if you, as it appears, are hoping for failure and will be disappointed if true change an success are realized by Obama's reign.
Kevin, kindly step aside for a moment and allow us all to be grateful. You had your eight years damage, let us have our next eight years of hope; at least for today. "
wined0wnnapa wrote on Jan 20, 2009 10:55 AM:
sdnapa wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:03 AM:
napasfinest wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:07 AM:
Hear ye wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:08 AM:
Regardless, there was nothing that could take away from what was an exciting and great day for our country. The last 8 years have dug us in quite a hole and we have a lot of work ahead of us. "
Paddy wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:08 AM:
napaoldguy wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:11 AM:
luv1mom wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:12 AM:
wyngyrl wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:34 AM:
Raven wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:45 AM:
grape wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:17 PM:
HappyHomemaker wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:38 PM:
cfpotter wrote on Jan 20, 2009 1:12 PM:
napapop wrote on Jan 20, 2009 1:45 PM:
JustAnotherManicMonday wrote on Jan 20, 2009 2:04 PM:
meltoes wrote on Jan 20, 2009 2:19 PM:
jmo wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:11 PM:
PS: does anyone really care about the Oath miscue?....Well I guess one does. "
Dwayne wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:11 PM:
Meanwhile, Revernd Wright's stand-in could not leave racism untouched...
Benediction at Obama 's inauguration, Rev. Joseph Lowery: 'Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen.
The "white" remark is a clue to the entire Obama administration.... "
Dwayne wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:43 PM:
Starving people in crisis get medical supplies and rice grown in the country, and we ask for nothing in return... Our troops are in some desert hell hole somewhere making things better for a people who hate our guts, while their blood drains into their soil...
We are the most productive and generous nation on Earth, and don't need some community organizer who never had a real job in his life to tell us how bad we are, to meet his own agenda...
"We will meet the challenges ahead"... I have news for you Obama, we have already met those challenges, and in spite of your rhetoric about the Constitution "being a detriment to efficient government, our only 'challenge' is to protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights from you and your socialist agenda... "
MGMasters wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:44 PM:
Hear ye wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:53 PM:
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:57 PM:
After seeing the ghostly look on Mr. Obama's face preceding the ceremony, it was apparent that he was really nervous and somber.
I could hear sirens in the background as Mr. O flubbed the oath. Then Kennedy starts convulsing at the luncheon and has to be carried out on a stretcher. I hope it is not a sign of what's to come during Mr. O's tenure.
Aside from the racist rant at the end of the ceremony, the lackluster speech, and the embarrassing oath debacle, I really enjoyed hearing Rick Warren's invocation. I think Pastor Warren did an excellent job. I applaud Mr. O for choosing Mr. Warren who is a fierce advocate for preserving the traditional definition of marriage.
It was, however, a historical day...the DJIA plummeted 330 points, it's worst inaguguration day performance ever. "
mominapa wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:59 PM:
savenapa wrote on Jan 20, 2009 5:00 PM:
jwk wrote on Jan 20, 2009 5:04 PM:
lovemesomerightwing wrote on Jan 20, 2009 5:27 PM:
freeport56 wrote on Jan 20, 2009 5:30 PM:
sicksense wrote on Jan 20, 2009 6:51 PM:
alucawanza wrote on Jan 20, 2009 7:09 PM:
kevin: You said you had better things to do that watch the inauguration. Liar, liar, pants on fire! Can we trust what you say?
His speech wasn't as fiery as usual for very good reasons. Mr. Bush was sitting there next to him. Good manners prevented Obama from going too far in his criticism. He also must work with Republicans. He wants to be a bipartisan president. No point in rubbing salt in Republican wounds.
Hope the door didn't hit Bush in the behind when he left! Goodbye, so long, farewell, adieu. Say...what about the $300,000 per year rent we're paying for Bush's new office, jwk? Does that bother you? It's 8,000 sq. ft. What's he gonna do there, jwk, that's worth $300,000??
Perhaps he'll start a foundation like Clinton's that helps people all over the world. Google Clinton's foundation. See what he's been doing. It's incredible good work. "
someguyinnapa wrote on Jan 20, 2009 7:35 PM:
you're right! The last 8 years have been a big mistake! No where to go but up now~! "
cab e-girl wrote on Jan 20, 2009 8:59 PM:
kevin wrote on Jan 20, 2009 9:24 PM:
Bet B.O. has that clip erased from youtube pretty quick! "
iaiguy wrote on Jan 20, 2009 9:53 PM:
raybo wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:09 PM:
areyouserious wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:14 PM:
All kidding aside.... Barrack has his work cut out for him. I guess George Sr never taught little Georgie that when we go out into the world we leave it better than we found it. I learned that in Boy Scouts of America at age 9. "
areyouserious wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:16 PM:
and how come the same old bloggers get cart blache to say what ever they want on this website?
i.e.
kevin, jwk, and Dwayne....
Oh yeah, I forgot. THis paper supported McSame. BOOOOOOOOOOOO!
and cost $0.50 at a news stand! RIDICULOUS! "
urte wrote on Jan 21, 2009 2:11 AM:
Further...he started out with an untruth stating that he was the 44th president...not so...he is the 43rd...!
Maybe a little know fact...or no one cared to check it...but Grover Cleveland served as the 22nd and 24th president...the only one that skipped a term and returned ...so if you want to be exact then it is only 43...but truth does not matter much to this president after all ..he visited all 57 states...
It was a little tough to concentrate on his speech with this large woman in the background in a very unbecoming yellow dress that took up most of the screen...
At least the Biden's should be entertaining the next few years with their "hoof in mouth" disease...
For certain is that class has left the White House...
I truly did not think that I would see..in my life time...a presidency that was bought and paid for by the highest bidder...folks...we have an empty suit in the Big House...so sad...! "
a teacher wrote on Jan 21, 2009 6:24 AM:
Seriously MNV, who cares what Mrs Obama wore to the inauguration.
We took time out of our lessons to watch it, even though it was frustrating due to the uneven performance of our internet connection. I like the way he talks, apparently, so do most Americans.
I hope his administration lives up to it's rhetoric and our expectations. "
napagrammy wrote on Jan 21, 2009 7:07 AM:
jwk wrote on Jan 21, 2009 7:31 AM:
jpcrash wrote on Jan 21, 2009 7:46 AM:
Dwayne wrote on Jan 21, 2009 7:55 AM:
At the end of the day, to say that something is someone’s fault simply because it happened on their watch is both adolescent and intellectually dishonest because it fails to account for the actual facts surrounding a particular event. Democrats bash Bush for not believing the pre 9-11 intelligence, and then for believing the pre-Iraq war intelligence. Based on the facts, someone is lying, to be sure, and it doesn’t appear to be President Bush. "
freeport56 wrote on Jan 21, 2009 8:09 AM:
" jwk: You're wrong. Bush's inauguration cost about the same amount. That's been verified over and over again on another article. Get over it.
WANZA- CAN i GET YOU A BIGGER SHOVEL?
"With a price tag of roughly $40 million, boasting a huge fireworks display over the city as well as lavish balls and star-studded concerts, President Bush's inauguration will be a pricey, no-expense-spared event paid for by the country's biggest companies seeking favors and breaks in Washington."
ABC NEWS- "
psoren wrote on Jan 21, 2009 9:56 AM:
Just remember, United we stand, Divided we fall. Keep that in mind while watching shows like the O'Reilly factor or listening to guys like Michael Savage, who seem to relish in fueling the fire of divisiveness that rage in this country for the last 8 years.
Labeling and segmenting people as liberals or conservatives is not something a Patriotic American does.
That kind of labeling is reminiscent of Nazi Germany in WWII where the Jews were tattooed with a number to identify them and distinguish them from non Jews.
We are walking a dangerous path by promoting or taking part in this type of thinking and behaviour. "
saysme wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:10 AM:
Raven wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:39 AM:
The abc stories about Bush's party did not include the security costs...most of the stories from 2005 dont include the security costs, because the inaugural committees have never had to pay for them....so when you include all the costs, and adjusted for inflation, it is basically a wash. "
napavalley12 wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:40 AM:
steph wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:56 AM:
Speech was a little disappointing from someone who usually dazzles with his insight, but it was a nice delivery, as usual.
Funniest analysis came from the Daily Show, of course, where lines from Obama's speech were played next to almost-identical lines from Bush's speeches.
Hilarious!
I am delighted that Obama wants the US to offer peace to the world, and he acknowledges our greatness. I love that he says government will be held accountable for its spending. I am not delighted with the idea that government is responsible for creating jobs (it doesn't) and dignified retirement (it can't.) "
localmama wrote on Jan 21, 2009 11:12 AM:
fmmt47 wrote on Jan 21, 2009 11:23 AM:
alucawanza wrote on Jan 21, 2009 11:40 AM:
Get your facts straight before you offer me a shovel....
Now kindly explain what Bush is going to do in the $300,00 per year office that the taxpayers are picking up the tab for. He's the one that needs the bigger shovel. It's 8,000 sq. ft. He'll be pushing "it" around every day. His memoirs perhaps??? He'll need a shovel for that....Give him your larger shovel... "
Dwayne wrote on Jan 21, 2009 12:28 PM:
" My guess is that Kevin, Dwayne, JWK and MissNapaValley didn't watch the inauguration..."
I watched... I looked into Obama's eyes, fell face down on the floor, my eyes rolled back in my head, and I kept moaning OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA, until my wife called 911...
When the EMT's arrived they said I wasn't supposed to look directly into The Great Leader's face or something bad would happen, similar to the Mayan culture if your eyes fell on the leader you would be beheaded..
Now I know what it's like to be a Lemming... "
cab e-girl wrote on Jan 21, 2009 2:44 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Jan 21, 2009 3:17 PM:
I honestly feel he is not that much different than the regular Joe's we have had in office. The much-bally-hooed change kinda disintegrated with his Clinton-esque administration. He is a great ( if shifty-eyed ) and inspirational speaker, but his speeches usually read like the rest of the political speeches when you don't listen to him.
While I agree it's safe to say things have to get better, I've learned to never say that things can never get worse. Never in my lifetime has this country had such a poor manufacturing capability with a general populace axxious to send our money overseas. Our economy has become paper-based, so much so that now we print money to stimulate rich people, with the paper haveing less-and-less value.
If Obama can encourage our populace to give up the way we have become, he will have value.
I fear he will try to give us money that we have to pay for, and all we'll do ( as in the last stimulus package ) is pay off personal debt or save the money which doesn't stimulate the economy, and someone has to pay for it, which is either us or a loan from the Bank of China.
At least we should try the approach taken in Taiwan, where the gov't. issued certificated to its citizens tha can only be redeemed in a store to purschase goods. "
reason-ator wrote on Jan 21, 2009 3:34 PM:
areyouserious wrote on Jan 21, 2009 4:02 PM:
" Want some cheese with your Whine "You aren't Serious??? Maybe Because we "on the and in the Right" have to offset all the Letist Liberal Garbage you Dem's preach!! You Know Fair and Balanced... Something unfamiliar to you.. "
No fair and balanced is not unfamiliar to me. What is unfamiliar to me is the fact that the three of are always on the negative end of some schtick. You see no goodness in the world. Why can't you give President Obama the respect he deserves as a human and as OUR PRESIDENT?
Besides... my wines and cheese are WAY better than yours! "
kdbk wrote on Jan 21, 2009 4:45 PM:
They could care less that Bush policies had little or nothing to do with the financial circumstances we now face. They could care less that Bush has done an excellent job protecting the nation since 9-11. They could care less that Bush really NEVER took away any American citizen's rights with the Patriot Act. They could care less about how hard Bush tried to coddle illegal immigrants. They could care less that Bush spent more time and money helping cure or prevent disease in Arifca than any other President, EVER.
They only care about platitudes, quaint terms and fancy slogans. They are easily fooled. "
Dwayne wrote on Jan 21, 2009 4:51 PM:
I'm wondering the same thing about the Bush bashers.... "
freeport56 wrote on Jan 21, 2009 4:52 PM:
Barack Obama’s inauguration will cost at least $130 million dollars making it by far the most expensive in American history. That doesn’t particularly bother me given the circumstances except for one thing — the hypocrisy of it all.
Liberals howled after Bush’s re-election in 2004. His inauguration cost was a record $55 million which is chump change compared to Barry’s. Salon.com argued that because of the unpopularity and cost of the Iraq war it was inappropriate to have such a lavish event.
I would argue that because the economy is on the brink of collapse and the country is dead broke, it seems more than a little inappropriate to spend more than $100 million dollars on a glitzy star studded inauguration.
-the hot Joints
How about that shovel? I just quoted two sources within range. That is with security....Bush did not have 42,500 law enforcement officers at his shindig. "
Hear Ye wrote on Jan 21, 2009 5:37 PM:
You're sources are wrong. Your sources (HotJoints? seriously? I mean, really?) also don't tell you that security and transportation aren't included in the Bush Inauguration. This issue has been dead ever since the truth came out in regards to both Inaugurations being realtively close in price. I'm sure you can find something new to complain about that has a little more meat and backbone to it. "
Vercingetorex wrote on Jan 21, 2009 6:48 PM:
We are all truly blessed to have a President who is an ascended human spirit capable of such acts of spontaneous healing and beauty!
Don't listen to the petty hate filled losers that try to deny his God-like status.
He has nothing to prove to those people. He already is a great success just by being himself. I only pray that he doesn't try to actually do something
and mess up a good thing. "
localmama wrote on Jan 21, 2009 7:23 PM:
areyouserious wrote on Jan 21, 2009 7:26 PM:
BUSH stole the office with a little help from his Brother in Florida... Hanging chads my road apple! In that respect, thieves don't get respect as humans or as Presidents.
BUSH had his chance to gain my respect. And he continuously made poor choice after poor choice and there by lost any respect that he might have deserved. Besides... Jan 20, 2009 was the end of and error and BUSH IS NO LONGER OUR PRESIDENT!!!!!!
HOORAY!!!!!!!!
Less Bush....
More Trees!
ROCK ON OBAMA! "
bimgroup wrote on Jan 21, 2009 7:31 PM:
Lets hope that he continues to back down on the campaign sound bites that help him get elected and he starts facing reality sooner rather than later. I didn't hear the praises for the administration that has kept this country safe over the last seven years in his speach but I'm sure that history will tell the story in the future.
I am greatful to George W Bush. Thank you "
localmama wrote on Jan 21, 2009 7:31 PM:
thoughtank wrote on Jan 21, 2009 8:42 PM:
Don't you mean a "lemon"?
Seriously, some of you here would applaud if BO failed even if it meant a worldwide depression!
Barrack Obama's speech was great. I loved the delivery and content. The Aaron Copeland musical piece played by Yo yo Ma and others was spectacular and extremely moving. I loved the poem, too, but thought the poet's reading was a wee bit stiff. "
vanappan wrote on Jan 22, 2009 6:29 AM:
regarding te oath, Obama stepped on Roberts one the first sentence, then it was down hill from there.
The 2nd oath was done without a bible, why? "
Raven wrote on Jan 22, 2009 10:26 AM:
anticommie wrote on Jan 22, 2009 1:26 PM:
sdnapa wrote on Jan 22, 2009 2:04 PM:
Hear Ye wrote on Jan 22, 2009 2:14 PM:
You could have saved yourself some time by just saying that you didn't read or watch the speech. "
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 22, 2009 2:58 PM:
Although I did not vote for Mr. Obama, I did watch the inauguration.
As far as fashion goes, it's a passion of mine and it's something I took notice of when I watched the inauguration. The media has been drawing comparisons between Mrs. O and Jackie O in terms of fashion. After seeing what she wore to the inauguration, I can safely say that is NOT the case. It looked like she clipped the curtains and draped them over her (no pun intended.) Did you see how she looked in her "eveneing gown?" I guess she checked her club in with her coat.
I have to say the little O girl with the blue coat was dressed well.
Apparently, I'm not the only person who noticed what the O family was wearing on inauguration day. JCrew's website went down because so many people were trying to find similar children's clothes.
Anyway....why did you interrupt MATH lessons to watch the inauguration? Isn't that a little inappropriate? I could understand watching it in a history class or a social studies class. But math class? You do teach math class, correct? "
Hear Ye wrote on Jan 22, 2009 3:38 PM:
From your earlier post it's easy to see your disdain for Obama and the inauguration but do you really want to argue the appropriateness of our students watching what was a historic day in American history? Put your political views aside for a brief moment and really think about what your saying. "
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 22, 2009 3:39 PM:
Of all the words to describe this woman, "classy" does not come to mind. Ungrateful,
unpatriotic, unbecoming, and undeserving is a more accurate description. "
pharper wrote on Jan 22, 2009 8:19 PM:
But that's honestly beside the point. As someone who was at the inauguration, I can say that his speech brought tears to my eyes - and, actually, to the eyes of a man I saw wearing a McCain campaign t-shirt not far from me.
I had a conversation with one man while I was in DC. We were talking about the inauguration, and I asked, as politely as I could, who he voted for. He looked me straight in the eye and told me he voted for no one. As someone who believes in the absolute importance of voting, I was taken aback, and then I asked why. He smiled and said, "It doesn't matter to me who is president. He or she is the leader of our country, and no matter what I believe, I as an American will always support my president, whoever it is."
That, my friends, is true patriotism. "
Raven wrote on Jan 22, 2009 8:21 PM:
the entire quote. "
mytwocents wrote on Jan 22, 2009 9:20 PM:
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 22, 2009 9:25 PM:
However, math teachers should be doing what they are paid to do: teach math. If the teacher or students wanted to watch the inauguration, they could have done so at a later time.
If there were any tenuous connnection between the subject matter being taught and the inauguration, then the teacher's action would have been more appropriate. Perhaps, not all the students wanted to suspend math class to watch the inauguration.
At the very least, I hope the teacher had the sense not to interject his own personal commentary. I really do not think teachers should abuse their position by imposing their own political views, especially in a math class. "
once wall street wrote on Jan 22, 2009 9:42 PM:
once wall street wrote on Jan 22, 2009 10:32 PM:
Hear Ye wrote on Jan 22, 2009 11:10 PM:
p.s. Pharper- I'm so so jealous of your privilege of attending the inauguration. You should do a write up of the whole experience and send it to Dan for an Open thread topic. "
reason-ator wrote on Jan 23, 2009 2:39 AM:
C'mon !
It should be obvious to people by now that people are going to perceive facts differently because of what they want to believe,
And we need to get past that and follow our President. I truly believe we'd be in better shape if we'd supported our previous president instead of dis-powering him with our lack of support.
We've helped get ourselves into this mess. We can get ourselves out of it. Or we can screw up this opportunity.
Let's not mess up this chance.
Signed,
[someone who didn't vote for Obama but wants him to succeed.] "
anticommie wrote on Jan 23, 2009 8:43 AM:
Raven wrote on Jan 23, 2009 8:50 AM:
pharper wrote on Jan 23, 2009 8:57 AM:
MissNapaValley, it sounds to me like you don't have anything valid to complain about, so you're complaining about stuff that a) doesn't matter and b) is really just mean-spirited to complain about. I wasn’t really talking about their dancing skill (or their supposed lack of). I was talking about how sweet and happy they seemed to be with each other—just a man and his wife, not a presidential couple. As for your implication that being black somehow makes a person a good dancer, let's not even go there.
All this stuff about a teacher's showing of the inauguration to his students (something I commend him for) sounds more like a personal attack than like something actually relevant to this topic. It reminds me of when I was attacked for posting about Prop 8 when people decided I should be in class. My economy class watched the inauguration while I was away, as did a lot of other classes, I believe. It’s relevant no matter what class you're in or what you believe. "
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 23, 2009 1:19 PM:
It's not complaining...it's called giving an opinion.
I was simply offering my own personal observations and opinion regarding Mrs. O's fashion choices for the inauguration. This topic was covered and commented on by the media, as it has been in the past.
Ironically, you were the individual who brought up the topic of dancing and invited comments on the subject. You asked, "Did anyone see the footage of the Obamas dancing at an inaugural ball?" I was simply replying to your question. Again, its ironic you ask a question seeking an anwser regarding "stuff" you say doesn't matter. LOL
It's regretable you have such a difficult time reading someone else's opinion that is different from your own. Really, where's the tolerance?
Since my last post was removed (LOL), I will rephrase. It was amusing to watch the O couple. Did they even move? It looked so awkward, like two seventh graders going to their very first school dance. Some might consider that endearing, but in my opinion, the O couple lacked elegance, style and rhythm when they danced (if that is what you want to call it).
The most amusing moment was when Mrs. O was "dancing" with that service man at the Commander-in-Chief ball. Now that was truly awkward.
In conclusion, there are many issues I could "complain" about regarding Mr. O and his poor judgment. I was just reserving those comments for a more appropriate thread.
BTW, when I made the reference to Mr. O's bowling it was a joke. Lighten up! =) "
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 23, 2009 1:45 PM:
" I didn't know it was necessary for the President to be a good dancer or a good bowler."
Neither did I.
"I was unaware that they were synonymous with good leadership."
I was unaware as well.
LOL...It's funny how people only see the things they want to see. It's time to take off the Obama blinders.
It reminds me of Don Quixote battling against the windmills. "
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 23, 2009 2:07 PM:
Thanks for the quote. It really hits home my point.
I concur that our peaceful process by which power is changed is teachable. However, it should be taught during the appropriate class. It's simply not part of the math curriculum.
It would be disingenuous and inaccurate to refer to him as the first "black" President. He is the first biracial President. He is just as much white as he is black. If fact, he was raised by his white mother and white grandparents.
I have no issue with having a Presidient of a different race. I was delighted to see the first Vietminese elected to office in LA.
Similarly, I would be delighted if Michael Steele or Alan Keyes became President; they are BLACK men who stand for the conservative values and policies that I support. "
steph wrote on Jan 23, 2009 9:57 PM:
I applaud your decision to allow your class to take part in history. No need to take professional advice from a layperson.
The petty criticisms from one supercilious poster here are quite unbecoming of a person who claims to be so fashion-conscious. Exquisite clothing cannot disguise an unattractive personality, it seems!
To quote, "LOL!"
Michelle Obama, on the other hand, is a fascinating woman, a beautiful woman, mother and wife. Her husband adores and respects her, and thus she is even more beautiful. "
Raven wrote on Jan 23, 2009 10:35 PM:
and there are certain events whose significance outweighs being pigeon holed and appropriate to any one class ... "
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 24, 2009 2:29 PM:
I always thought truth was the great "determiner." And we're not taking one drop of "white blood" here ... try half. He was carried in the womb of a white mother and was raised by his white family. He is half white. Therefore, it is truthful to say he is the first biracial person inaugrated as President. What's wrong with that? It's the truth.
For those who supported Bob Barr and who shredded the women of Orange County because of their outward appearance, (i.e. blond hair and plastic surgery) and who referred to Christrians as "bigots" because they don't accept homosexuality:
Your statements of opinion have no credibility. I find your hypocrisy to be amusing. LOL "
steph wrote on Jan 24, 2009 5:35 PM:
He embraces his whiteness and his blackness.
He is treated as a black man, and he is a black man. The part of him that is black is the part that most people seem to notice. This has had its advantages and disadvantages. "
steph wrote on Jan 24, 2009 5:39 PM:
But I'm flattered. "
steph wrote on Jan 24, 2009 5:43 PM:
I did not vote for Obama. I am a fiscal conservative, unlike Republicans. Obama is my president, and snide remarks about his wife are lacking in taste. "
alucawanza wrote on Jan 24, 2009 7:45 PM:
Of course Obama is a black man. His father was black and his mother was white. Calling him biracial or black....who cares? Has nothing to do with the content of his character.
The rest of your post is, indeed, your opinion. And...you're entitled to it!
In my opinion, the Obamas were charming while dancing. They were in the moment and enjoying themselves. I say "BRAVO". and I'm entitled to my opinion too...
Finding you a bit acidic is my opinion too. "
Raven wrote on Jan 24, 2009 11:58 PM:
mytwocents wrote on Jan 25, 2009 5:55 PM:
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 25, 2009 6:58 PM:
The hypocrisy comment was not directed to you. Although we disagree on many topics, I cannot say that you've said anything hypocritical thus far.
I'm simply acknowledging reality: he's half white and half Kenyan. He is the first biracial person inuagurated President. Why can't you admit this? If he identifies more with his Kenyan heritage, that is perfectly fine but the facts are the facts.
Regardless of what color he considers himself to be, I am judging him on his policies, actions, and morals (or lack thereof).
Sadly, I believe many black people voted for him based on the fact that he is part African American (or "black" if it so pleases you). People like Jay Z and Gee Z (pardon the spelling) are prime of examples of black men who have made dispicable racial comments, which tend to support my statement above.
On a positive note, I think we can agree that Mr. O's election to the Office of President is a powerful reminder that one can accomplish anything in this country regardless of race or color or nationality. "
kevin wrote on Jan 25, 2009 7:03 PM:
Contrary to what some posters say, ancestry is not determined by what one chooses to call oneself... "
Raven wrote on Jan 25, 2009 7:06 PM:
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 25, 2009 7:35 PM:
I have to say... (are you ready for this?)
that aside from our lively discussions in the past on topics such as Prop 8, I agree that Republicans have strayed from their conservative roots with regard to spending. I, too, am a fiscal conservative, and I find myself in agreement with many of your comments on that topic.
It goes without saying that one's dancing skills and fashion sense are not indicative of one's character. I hope that Michelle will be a classy and exemplary First Lady, just like Mrs. Bush. "
MissNapaValley wrote on Jan 25, 2009 8:08 PM:
Thanks for the info.
Raven,
It is true that my use of the word Kenyan leaves open the interpretation/possibility that he could be a white Kenyan. So to clarify...Mr. O is half-white and half non-white (either black or arab or a mix thereof).
Speaking of Kenya, there is evidence that points to the fact that Mr. O is indeed a Kenyan. Mr. O's own Kenyan step-grandmother has claimed that she was present at Obama's birth in Kenya.
The government of Kenya has refused to release the file of documents pertaining to Mr. O.
So in the interest of accuracy, Mr. Obama is either mulatto or half-white and mostly arab or "mixed" or "biracial." "
Hear Ye wrote on Jan 25, 2009 8:34 PM:
You know your just digging a deeper hole for yourself when you start to claim that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. (making him ineligible to be POTUS) and is actually half Arab.
You might as well just say you concede on the topic. That way people will still read what you have to say in future topics. "
Raven wrote on Jan 25, 2009 9:23 PM:
Calling someone a mulatto is something that went out with the slave codes. again, why won't you call him what he calls himself, African American, after all his mother is American and his father is from africa. "
whatusay wrote on Jan 25, 2009 10:35 PM:
Oh yeh, I forgot the thread-President Obama (say it again and let it sink in) gave a beautiful speech. It was clear, focused, sober and hopeful. No big promises, just challenges we all have to work together to overcome. With a smart man in the White House I'll be sleeping a little better. "
Reality Check wrote on Jan 26, 2009 6:17 AM:
steph wrote on Jan 26, 2009 7:28 AM:
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin.
Arab?
Kevin?
Seriously. You're discrediting yourself. And you're a pillar of the right here at the NVR. Come on, now, be cool. Don't make silly stuff up--or at least don't repeat silly stuff that other people make up. "
rage against wrote on Jan 26, 2009 1:58 PM:
The idea of black and white is not defined by ancestry. There is no Black country, or white country. There are countries where the majority of people have light colored skin or dark colered skin. The ideas of black and white are social perceptions we have created to distinguish between people with different skin color.
If Barrack Obama had never made any sort of headline and one day one of us were introduced to him, without ever having known him before, and we were asked whether to define him as black or white, my guess is 100% of us would say he was black.
Social perception based on visual appearance is entirely what drives the idea of black and white.
For those who feel it is necessary to point out his bi-racial ancestry, and denounce the fact that he is black, ask yourself this.
If you shared Barrack Obama's complexion do you think you would consider yourself white? How about if you were at a KKK rally? Do you think people like that would care that you were half Keynesian and half white? Do you think you would be the only person with brown skin not to be considered black?
Black people all over the world should rejoice, and white people, and yellow people, and all people should join them. Let this be motivation to us all, and a sign of our social perceptions changing for the better. "