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Napa man charged with murder in BART shooting
Former New Tech grad arrested in Nevada; DA calls it “an unlawful killing done by an intentional act.”
Thursday, January 15, 2009
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OAKLAND — A former transit police officer has been charged with murder in the fatal shooting of an unarmed and allegedly restrained black man in a racially charged case that has outraged residents and community leaders and set off violent protests.

Newly released court documents allege that Johannes Mehserle, who was charged Tuesday, shot 22-year-old Oscar Grant while Grant had his hands behind his back and another officer was kneeling on his neck.
Mehserle is a 2000 graduate of New Technology High School in Napa and a 2006 graduate of the Napa Valley College Police Academy.

Alameda County District Attorney Tom Orloff made the rare decision to file a murder charge against a police officer for an on-duty incident.
“At this point, what I feel the evidence indicates, is an unlawful killing done by an intentional act and from the evidence we have there’s nothing that would mitigate that to something lower than a murder,” Orloff said at a news conference. He said he would not speculate on whether the charge would end up being first-degree murder or second-degree murder.

Witnesses said Grant was lying face down on a train platform at a station in Oakland when the 27-year-old white officer shot him in the back. Grant and others had been pulled off a train after reports of fighting, as New Year’s Eve revelers were shuttling home after midnight.
Allegations that Grant’s hands were behind his back and another officer was kneeling on him were contained in an Oakland police officer’s request to issue an arrest warrant. It said it appeared from cell phone video that “Mehserle shot and killed Oscar Grant while Grant was restrained and unarmed.”

The shooting, captured on cell phone cameras and widely viewed on the Internet, has inflamed long-running tensions in Oakland between law enforcement authorities and many African-American residents.

Hundreds of people have taken to the streets calling for the prosecution of Mehserle, with one rally last week spiraling into violence that resulted in more than 100 arrests and damage to dozens of businesses. Hundred more protesters gathered Wednesday outside Oakland City Hall.

Mehserle surrendered without incident Tuesday at a family friend’s house in an upscale neighborhood on the east shore of Lake Tahoe in Douglas County, Nev., law enforcement officials said.

During a brief court appearance in Minden, Nev., on Wednesday, he waived extradition and was returned to California to face charges. His lawyer, Christopher Miller, said his client had been in Nevada for a few days to get away from the pressures of what was happening in the Bay Area, and there was no effort to avoid arrest.

“As you are all aware there were some death threats, significant death threats, made against him and his family,” he said.

Mehserle could be arraigned as early as Thursday, Miller said.

“As this case moves forward through the justice system and all of the circumstances of that chaotic night become clear, I fully expect Mr. Mehserle will be cleared of the charges against him,” Miller said. He called Mehserle “a fine officer with an excellent work history” who had been on the force about two years.

John Burris, the attorney for Grant’s family, said the news of the charge was “terrific.”

“It is consistent with the evidence I have seen. I think the family will be pleased,” Burris said.

Michael Rains, a former police officer who has represented cops as a lawyer since 1979, called such a charge “extremely rare.” Rains said he knows of no similar prosecutions in Northern California in the 45 years he has been either a police officer or a lawyer.

Rains said that convicting a police officer of murder for firing a weapon while on duty could prove difficult. He said there are many laws and Supreme Court cases to “discourage second-guessing and hindsighting of their actions.” Rains also said that juries typically view police officers favorably.

“Police officers usually have a leg up in the jury box going to trial,” Rains said.
57 comment(s)

Dirty Napkin wrote on Jan 14, 2009 5:59 AM:

" Undisclosed charges my foot! "

VERUM wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:27 AM:

" Are there any bonafide police reports on the alleged threats to him? "

VERUM wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:31 AM:

" Will Pat Stanley cover this story? "

y2kcbr wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:24 AM:

" Nevada? Was he on vacation? Don't you think the DAs office - or his lawyer for that matter - would have told him to stay put and not leave the State. unless of course he was in Nevada to 'lay low' and that he might have been in hiding from the lynch mobs.

Good luck in court and I wish the Grant family all the best in these trying times.

On a side note, let's hope this squashes the protest/demonstration tonight in Oakland. However I have a sneaking suspicion that people will still go out and expect over 1000 people. "

concerned wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:09 AM:

" Why does it say he was fleeing? Every think he might be staying at the family cabin. When he found out about the warrant from his attorney, he called the police and turned himself in. FLEEING!!!!!! Also, this is the first time anyone has said MURDER.

• Unlawful killings without malice or intent are considered manslaughter.
• Justified or accidental killings are considered homicides. Depending on the circumstances, these may or may not be considered criminal offenses. "

proudmama2 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:25 AM:

" What occurred before the shooting to make the officer feel that he needed to use any other weapon besides his fellow officers at his side?
Did the deceased pull a weapon or make a threatening gesture that was believed to be a threat to the officer prior to his being shot?

Just wondering. "

napathoughts wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:30 AM:

" What a quote from the CO-FOUNDER of CAPE (Coalition Against Police Execution). ""We're disappointed that it took him fleeing the state in order for the law to take some action," she said. "Honestly this situation brings more questions than answers. Why was he fleeing?"

Fleeing the state? Are you kidding me? He has a right (innocent until proven guilty) to protect himself and his immediate family. Maybe he thought Nevada had a no-extradition policy with California. Great, every criminal can flee to Nevada if you think like the CAPE founders. I guess every religion, person or race has some card to call on. Some just use it more than others.

A murder charge? A ploy to stop the RIOT's in Oakland. What kind of community would do these things to their own neighbors?

He will plea out to some form of man-slaughter and gets 3 years. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

I don’t have the stats in front of me, but to create a group like CAPE is beyond me? How many police executions were committed in Oaktown last year?

Now the real question is how many same race murders were committed in Oaktown last year? I am sure that statistic DWARFS the number of executions by police officers.

If there is a group named SIM (Stop Interracial Murders) in Oakland I will for sure send my money to this group before I donate to CAPE. "

Native74 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:44 AM:

" Let me see...death threats and you wonder why he fled the state? At least I'm one that wants to believe that it was still an unintentional shooting before lynching him.

Good grief. The video I've seen doesn't show much and I bet there's more to the story here. I thought I read something about the guy resisting hand cuffs and reaching under his stomach? I'm not saying the officer didn't screw up, but come on here! It's Oakland where cops and innocent people get shot all the time! The rowdy new years onlookers weren't helping the scene either.

I just hope he gets a fair trial and isn't thrown to the wolves to assuage angry protestors. I feel for both families here, but I fear the officer is going to be used as an example for Oakland with all the politicians/media involved. "

JimClark wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:36 AM:

" It is too soon to give opinion on this. Calm and save the vitriol. "

tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:40 AM:

" I can't believe he was charged with murder, now the court is going to have to PROVE that he set out to kill Oscar that night. They have to prove he planned and came to work with the intent to kill someone. I don't think there going to be able to, and I think he is going to be able to get off free of any charges. Should have charged him with involuntary manslaughter, thats what it looks like to me "

Hear Ye wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:49 AM:

" tiredofcomplainingnapkins-


That's not true. There is two degrees of murder. "

napathoughts wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:57 AM:

" Typo in prior statement. SIM should be Stop Innerracial Murders, not interracial. "

Paddy wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:23 AM:

" I agree with tired.... involuntary manslaughter from the looks of it. Probably a good guy, dealing with idiots, who made a very serious mistake. From what I've read his entire family has had to flee Napa to escape the lynch mob out for their own brand of "justice". "

napadad wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:26 AM:

" napathoughts (that would be intra-racial) "

wipemedown wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:44 AM:

" off to santa rita "

mytwocents wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Intentional act??? Hard to swallow, I don't believe it. BART and the state will throw him under the bus before they take some responsibility and look at their systems of operation and do a complete root cause analysis. It's very political now and I hope the former officer has a very good attorney. With respect to the victims family I hope they are afforded some respect and peace in order to grieve their loss. "

napasfinest wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:00 PM:

" Napathoughts, you are spot on with your comment. The reaction of the public is hilarious to me. Oakland has hundreds of murders every year, yet they only react when a police officer ACCIDENTALLY kills a criminal. The important issue is not police killing black men, its black men killing black men every day. And of course of he wasn't fleeing!!! He and his family were in danger! He left the state to protect himself and his family, which any sane person would do. Only someone from CAPE would make such a clueless comment about him trying to flee. This wasn't a manhunt, he turned himself in. Get a grip people! "

toobuff wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:54 PM:

" i'm glad the d.a. is seeking murder, they won't get it. involuntary manslaughter, maybe, but not murder. they'd have to prove INTENT that the officer wanted to kill him... "

108923 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 1:21 PM:

" 108923, Let me see here, the victim is lying face down with his hands behind his back. One officer has his knee on the back of the victim’s shoulders while ex-officer Mehserle is restraining the victim’s hands and lower body while pointing a gun at him. Then ex-officer Mehserle shoots the victim in the back for no apparent reason. I say no apparent reason because the victim was lying face down and had his arms restrained. Now let’s say that the gun fired accidentally, then why is ex-officer Mehserle not cooperating with investigators. If this person is not convicted of murder there could possibly be another riot similar to the Rodney King riot. "

kracker wrote on Jan 14, 2009 1:57 PM:

" 108923, you sound as if you were there? You have no idea what was really going on. Your assumptions are from a poor video. I just happen to work on BART properties in this area. These officers deal with nothing but trash! Let's get to the root cause of this tragic event. The police were there to do a job. The animals around them were not allowing them to do so. The 3 guys that came up to the officers while they were trying to detain this ex-convict, are more responsible for this death than the man who pulled the trigger! If they all would have acted civilized, this would have never happend. So let me be the first to say.... FREE Johannes Mehserle!!!!!!!! "

Marinemom wrote on Jan 14, 2009 2:07 PM:

" Oh by the way....the next time a law enforcement officer is MURDERED in the streets by thugs...I WILL LEAD THE RIOT MYSELF! "

Marinemom wrote on Jan 14, 2009 2:32 PM:

" The next time a peace officer is MURDERED in the line of duty in Northern California...I will lead the protest against the thug who did it regardless of what the circumstances are.

I find it interesting the Register staff have not printed any of my other comments in defense of this peace officer. He CANNOT talk yet...get over it. "

Native74 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 3:36 PM:

" That's the spirit marinemom! If it's somewhere I can attend, I'll join you! "

mykdgirl54 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:19 PM:

" I'm with you marine mom! I don't pretend to understand and of the pressures that officers, firefighters, or ANY civil servants experience while on the job. That being said what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?! I think it's unfortunate that out of hurt and anger many are so quick to judge. After the amish school shooting a year or so ago, the people in amish community got together and raised 4.5 million dollars for the WIDOW & FAMILY of the gunman who killed 6 kids! Imagine the strength and compassion that took. As part of their belief system forgiveness is first, grief is later. Im not suggesting that the family and friends do the same, I only offer them that example as a testment to the human spirit, and the peace that can follow when you choose other methods other than violence/rioting/anger/frusteration, etc.

Furthermore what did the tax paying, law abiding, business owners of downtown oakland do to deserve the financial loss due to the distruction in the riots?!

My heart goes out to both families - the officers and the young man who was killed. What I hope people understand most is finding out questions like, "why" or "how" will not bring peace. There are no winners in a situation such as that on new years day. "

mypoint wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:37 PM:

" I don't understand..Everyone know that Oakland is a very dangerous place. Most my friends and family will avoid it at all cost. There's so much violence and shootings on a daily basis, and a cop "accidentally" shoots someone (who has a criminal record) and now they are having riots? Are you kidding me?
Free Johannes Mehserle! "

ThisIsStillAmericaRight? wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:49 PM:

" First off I love how all the headlines say Napa man charged for murder or BART cop arrested for murder not in fact how he surrendered/turned him self in of his own free will per his lawyers instruction - so was him leaving the state to keep him and his family safe thusly why his lawyer knew exactly where he was how is that considered fleeing? Same with him quitting BART after they dropped the ball and didn't even bother to interview him or take a statement and then his pleading the 5th and waiting for a warrant to be issued before doing so.

It's just like the big show media to blow this way out of proportion and printing/reporting very INCORRECT misleading information which is a HUGE part of why there was rioting in the first place all of them stated Oscar Grant was cuffed and complying with officers when shot NOT TRUE any one with eyes and open minded enough to watch all four clips with four different points of view can see he was resisting arrest when put face down and they tried to cuff him he looked to be reaching in front of himself when they attempted to do so he wasn't cuffed nor were his hands restrained completely until after he was shot! Channel 2 was the only one who reported a retraction and showed still frames of his hands at his sides not complying/resisting the officers during the pat down and cuffing process keep in mind BART cops use flex cuffs which are a big glorified zip tie a lot harder to use and much more of a arduous task to apply without not only another officer holding both the persons arms in place and two hands free to do so. "

napablogger wrote on Jan 14, 2009 5:09 PM:

" It seems highly unlikely that this was anything but a terrible tragic accident. If you are out to kill black people would you do it in this situation?

The Oakland authorities are playing to the mob mentality and that is really wrong.

I think Napa should come out to support one of their own who most likely was just trying to do his job in a violent and chaotic situation.

Somebody get a rally together, lets blast Dellums and the other race baiters who are trying and convicting this guy before they even know the facts. Napa ought to show they support one of their own.

This is racism--black racism against whites! "

jimarmy11 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 5:26 PM:

" Very INCORRECT reporting by the News media. They report on opinions of people that get false information also! Using words like slaying, execution style, murder of, etc. This was all right after it happened. But of course, they had to keep the momentum going if anyone was going to watch right? "

VERUM wrote on Jan 14, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Supervisor Bill Dodd as a spokesman, and somehow police protection does not come into play here? Where is the higher echelon of any juristiction wherever this officer happens to be? "

Old Time Napkin wrote on Jan 14, 2009 6:55 PM:

" Somehow I don't see a fair trial coming for this officer. Politics are already at play and the D.A is already using CYA tactics. I feel very sorry for this officer as you know he did not go to work that day with the intent of harming anyone.
Oakland is a cesspool and the rioters and demonstraters are just looking for a reason to cause trouble. There's murders there every day and you don't see anyone protesting about it. It's just business as usual until a police officer is involved. I hope this poor kid is segregated in the jail or he won't leave there alive. "

ThisIsStillAmericaRight? wrote on Jan 14, 2009 6:58 PM:

" I'm so freaking tired of them playing the race card in this situation this was not racially motivated in any way it was a BART cop doing his job!!!

If this was really a intentional killing wouldn't the officer have shot him in the head not the butt/small of the back or discharged his weapon multiple times to do so if that were the case?!?

The coroner report said that he wouldn't have been mortally wounded if it wasn't for the single bullet that was fired ricocheting off the cement and into his lungs!!!

This is a total double standard sheep I mean people seem to think waiting for your day in court and not talking to a former employer that already dropped the ball and didn't take responsibility at all for doing so nor wanting to talk to the media who twists everything around - is some how a admission of guilt? I guess no one cares about that whole innocent till proven guilty part let alone waiting to hear two sides of a story! Even though Oscar Grants friends who were there haven't came forward and don't want to talk does that mean they are guilty of something?!?

Why was the first guy cuffed without a hitch by that officer and another ? If this officer was such a loose cannon like they make him out to be - why wasn't he the one shot if that was the case?

Point is there are more questions than answers really at this point why not wait to make up your mind till both sides are told people?

When did we start giving the benefit of the doubt to known criminals over law enforcement anyhow?!? "

imamonk wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:08 PM:

" Hey Terry Collins ! You didn't have to say he is white. Forget the color,man ! He's just another human. Makes one think you are predudice.
A Bart cop ain't an easy job. There's Always "rif raf" going on near the stations. My wife and I missed the ferry and had to take the bus back to the Vallejo terminal and before leaving the El Cerrito station a bunch of teen aged kids came aboard and started a nasty fight with someone they were looking for. They scared the heck out of everyone. The cops came and they all jumped a fence and took off. I can imagine the stress that the job entailed. A tragic happening indeed ! "

wiseone wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:23 PM:

" i think that there were three reasons that the Oakland DA charged Mr. Mehserle with murder:

1) To avoid further rioting;
2) To avoid being voted out of office; and
3) To be able to have the charge reduced to manslaughter to get a conviction.

From what I understand, if the DA had charged him with manslaughter, rioting and the DA's political demise would result. By charging him with murder, a charge they will not be able to prove, the judge can then offer the jury the option of lowering the charge to manslaughter.

I feel really bad for Mr. Mehrsele and both families. I detest mob rule and mob mentality.

To peacefully promote justice through protests is healthy for democracy. To try and convict someone without due process of law is lawless anarchy. "

109823 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:51 PM:

" Johannes will be the sacrificial lamb to quell the riots. It's another case of the inmates running the asylum and the squeaky door getting the oil. Prosecution will attempt to bring murder charges against him for accidently killing a felon. When was the last time that a group of white people rioted when a black person murdered/accidently killed a caucasian? These rioters are just thugs looking for an excuse to destroy property. "

napathoughts wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:38 PM:

" continued from before.

Things happen! Get on with your life. It was an accident. Once a victim, always a victim! Having an unlimited supply of CARDS in your pocket does not justify disrupting other peoples’ lives.

Celebrate this man’s life. How many times did he break the law without an arrest? I am sure he had fun doing it. His last release from incarceration was 09/23/08. Maybe celebrate his life from that point on, I am sure he was going to move from Oaktown and be a productive part of society. Take solace in the fact that this big, ugly murderous cop will live in shame his whole life.

124 homicides in Oakland 2008, 118 in 2007, 145 in 2006. I cannot find where one COP was convicted of any of these. I will leave the guessing to you on how many of these were INTRAracial (within the same race) since no one is willing to publish these stats online.

WE HAVE MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS then policing the stressed out police. Take a look within one’s self. "

Mr. Feasor wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:48 PM:

" Okay...

I have done my best to abstain, but I guess I will weigh in now that we know what has been charged.

Yes, this is politically charged matter. But - given the information currently available to the public - homicide charges are not improper.

Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought (Pen. Code 187(a)). "Such malice may be express or implied...It is implied, when no considerable provocation appears, or when the circumstances attending the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart." (Pen. Code 188).

I think we can all agree that proving express malice would be difficult to show.

But under the presently available information, there are sufficient facts that support implied intent for murder. The videos show that either: (a) there was no apparent considerable provocation by the victim; and/or (b) pulling out a weapon with a chambered round and discharging it while pointed at a prone, restrained, individual evinces an abandoned and malignant heart (id.).

The entire story will be borne out through preliminary hearings and - if there is no plea bargain - jury trial. But the murder charges are supported by sufficient publicly-available facts.

So if this former officer committed the same act against a person of ANY race, the same charge would be proper. And I applaud Mr. Orloff for moving quickly on this matter, and alleging appropriate charges. "

kdbk wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:55 PM:

" There are some great comments here. A lot of very level-headed remarks that indicate a good assessment of what probably happened here. Unruly, if not outright violent, individuals were causing trouble AGAIN on the trains, making the environment very uncomfortable for the decent folks. And the train cops came to deal with them. What a horrible task.

How amazing that people like this would even bother doing such a job. Thank God some people are willing to do it. Then, as thier reward, they get to struggle with an impossible job every day and just watch things in the community get worse, including the scrutiny on them.

This WAS a terrible accident. No aspect or element of it suggests anything but. As a civilized society, the guy should probably do some time just to make things right with the Universe. But considering his job, out there risking his life for us every day, judgement should be merciful, but firm. HE'S SUPPOSED TO CARRY A GUN AND (yes, I am yelling) USE IT TO PROTECT US. IT STANDS TO REASON THAT IN THAT LINE OF WORK, A "BAD DAY" ON THE JOB COULD HAVE DRAMATIC RESULTS. This was a horrible accident.

5 to 7 years, if that. "

missdavis707 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:17 PM:

" I must say, i have never left a comment on any websites before but this story just really gets to me. Johannes is a good guy always has been, who made a fatal mistake which he has to live with everyday. Nothing good came out of this but, they way the media has painted Johannes makes me sick. I feel for the Grant family, but my heart truly goes out to Johannes and his family. "

imaginethat wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:29 PM:

" So do'es anyone know what this man was doing before he was arrested? Going out for a carton of milk or something? If he was out commiting crimes then the family should'nt be profiting from his death, accidental or not. "

amelia wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:34 PM:

" I will be part of any protest that is in favor for this cop. After all, if oakland can do it, why can't we? "

napathoughts wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:51 PM:

" Sweet, now the Oakland Zoo Mayhem has come to Napa. A bomb threat in my neighborhood, on a school night. I found an easy path through it but my children are at their grandparents house and will probably miss school tomorrow.

Hopefully their education will not slip to a level where they: presume guilt before innocence, have hate in their heart based on the color of one's skin, ever want to live in Oaktown, Serve the community by taking one of the most stress-full jobs available and create havoc in others lives based on one persons MISTAKE (HAVOC = death threats and now a bomb threat).

Speaking of education? Thirty cops out on my street. Is Oaktown or BART Police paying this bill? Oh wait, never mind, take it out of Napa’s budget for next year. Even better, take it from our educational funds. Here is where I remind you that the Oakland school district has one of the worst records academically in our country. Hence, the rioting and destruction of their neighbors property. Education spending continues to be cut yet, we send 30 cops out to patrol a neighborhood where some idiot claims there is a bomb. "

Mr. Feasor wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:13 AM:

" Let's stick with the facts here.

napathoughts: education funds are not allocated to Napa PD or the sheriffs. The state, county, and municipal funding scheme does not allow for it. So let's not play the "why are my tax dollars being wasted" game. But we can agree that people issuing death threats and potentially lethal packages at the Mehserle family residence are idiots that must be investigated and charged accordingly. While I doubt that there were any explosives, that's not the point; it's still a criminal threat. But it's a far stretch to blame the educational districts within Alameda County for criminally-liable conduct of a police officer that was educated in Napa.

kdbk: even if there is no express intent to kill, a murder charge still applies under Penal Code sections 187 and 188. The currently-available information supports a charge (not a conviction, but a charge) for implied malice. Even if this was not an expressly-intended outcome, the former officer pulled out his weapon, aimed it at a prone - and unarmed - person, who was restrained by other officers. The currently-filed charges are properly pled under these circumstances.

Let's see how this pans out, but enough with the self-serving "IT WAS AN ACCIDENT" and "GO AFTER THE ONES THAT KILL EACHOTHER ANYWAYS" (all caps intended for emphasis).

It doesn't lead to the productive discussion that all of us NVR commentors strive for. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Jan 15, 2009 1:00 AM:

" The saddest thing is that both Oscar and Johannes were little toddlers running around with their (hopefully) bright eyed parents adoring their every move just twenty years ago or so (take or leave a few years for their age differences).

These boys who grew up to be men were, and still are, loved by their parents. It would just about destroy me to be Oscar's mother and know that my son was forever gone and that those eyes I had observed for 22 years would never again blink. Even if he was a troubled man, he was still loved by his family.

To observe my grown up son in a courtroom facing charges for a situation which was undoubtedly an accident would also destroy me as a mother. I saw the look of fear on Johannes' face in the NVR's video while he was in the courtroom. His parents must feel a total sense of helplessness.

What a tragic set of circumstances for both families. "

Bauhausfan wrote on Jan 15, 2009 6:10 AM:

" You know what's really interesting about the comments on this site? If that had been your son that was shot that way you would be so upset that you wouldn't be able to think straight. Yet most on here seem to justify and dismiss this guy's death so easily.

It doesn't matter what the guy was doing before, when he was shot he was lying FACE down on the concrete and not moving. Hello! If it was someone you know you wouldn't be upset?

Really? "

Napa707Valley wrote on Jan 15, 2009 1:08 PM:

" these days there is nothing but killers, gang members, bullies, druggies....ect, ect....coming out of Napa, what's going on? in my neighborhood i see nothing but little youngsters running around with red bandanas on their faces and pockets, wierdos hanging around probably selling dope, i feel like i'm in the "hood" again in Richmond, actually, no joke i think my neighborhood was quieter there....the goverment here needs to wake up, come on!!!! lets keep Napa, wine country, not the "hood" ! "

bmwchick wrote on Jan 15, 2009 2:31 PM:

" i wonder how forgiving every one that thinks of this as being an accident would be if it had been their dad,brother,husband or themselves(right before they felt the bullet).the victim,(not a black man,not a white man)was a human being already restrained by other officers ,so no further force was needed.so why did he feel like the young man needed to be shot, supposedly by his taser?wake up people,because you won't get any sympathy when the same thing happens to you or yours.a dog deserves better treatment than that... "

109823 wrote on Jan 15, 2009 3:02 PM:

" Napa707Valley, it's been apparent for quite some time now that the element in your neighborhood is infiltrating most of Napa. Obviously they can conduct their "Business" here without the intervention of any type of authority figure wether that's federal, state or local governments. With people leaving this state by the droves it's no wonder that we're in trouble with the state budget there's no tax payers left. "

sophiesmom wrote on Jan 15, 2009 3:31 PM:

" let's see..Oscar Grant was laying on his stomach..hands behind his back...a policeman's knee on the back of his neck and he was shot and killed...How is that anything but wrong? Even if he was cursing...is the penalty for cursing death? No...It is too bad that Mr Mehserle chose a job he was so ill-suited for. but another man is dead because he killed him ..without reason..If it were my son lying dead...I would be beside myself..Johannes Mehserle's mother still has a son.Mrs. Grant has a horrible grief to live with.
The victim was restrained..what was the possible purpose of firing that shot into his back..Perhaps terror on Mr. Mesehrle's part.It is sad that he was allowed to be an officer of the law and carry a gun..If that had not happened Oscar Grant would be alive today. And Mr. Mehserle would be going about his life as usual. "

ThisIsStillAmericaRight? wrote on Jan 15, 2009 4:35 PM:

" SORRY TO YELL BUT LOOK AT ALL FOUR VIDEO'S AGAIN FROM ALL FOUR OF THE DIFFERENT ANGLES YOU WILL SEE OSCAR GRANT WAS NOT FULLY RESTRAINED WHEN HE WAS SHOT NOR WAS HE COMPLYING WITH OFFICERS PERIOD.

CHANNEL 2 WAS ACTUALLY THE ONLY STATION TO GIVE A RETRACTION AND SHOW STILL FRAMES WHERE YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY HIS LEFT HAND WAS ON HIS SIDE REACHING INTO HIS WAIST/STOMACH AREA WHILE THE OFFICER WAS TRYING TO PAT HIM DOWN.

MY HEART GOES OUT TO HIS FAMILY FOR THEIR LOSS BUT THOSE POORLY CHOSEN ACTIONS RIGHT BEFORE HIS DEATH FORCED THIS OFFICERS HAND. "

cellsitegod wrote on Jan 16, 2009 5:27 AM:

" This was a very unfortunate accident.
Mehserle didn't intend to shoot this guy.
What happened probably doesn't even fall under involuntary manslaughter. There had to be some intent to kill or gross disregard.
BART police have a tough job dealing with all the low life punks and drug dealers riding BART.
In no way am I condoning Grants death but, There was a reason he was in that situation before he was shot and he created it.
If it were a black BART cop that shot him I know for a fact these people wouldn't be rioting and protesting.
These people just look for a reason to scream racism.
Well, I got news for them; We have a president that was able to get to the highest office in the land amid this so called "racism" .
It's time for these people to step up and take control of their own destiny instead of blaming others for their situation. "

cellsitegod wrote on Jan 16, 2009 5:32 AM:

" I hope this poor guy is judged by his actions and the facts not by public opinion.
He needs a good defense team to battle media/public influence.
Can anyone tell me if someone has set up a defense fund for him?
Please post it.
I want to contribute.
Maybe we can bring Mike Hamilton out of retirement to help out? "

108923 wrote on Jan 16, 2009 9:00 AM:

" Napa707Valley/109823, Perhaps you two would be happier people if we as a community handed Jo or Yo a gun and released him into your neighborhoods to pull a Charles Bronson wouldn't you? "

109823 wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:27 AM:

" 108923, although Chuck is long gone any facsimile would work for me. You obviously don't know Johannes or anything about him other than what's written in the NVR and on the News. I do and it's too bad that, for his mistake, that he is depicted as a murderer. Only Johannes knows for sure what happened on that day. By the way very original for the blog name. How long did it take you to come up with that? "

deathgrip wrote on Jan 16, 2009 3:53 PM:

" I'm with MarineMom, and apparently NVR cant handle my comments either. "

jeepracer10 wrote on Jan 19, 2009 7:35 AM:

" Oakland will be ablaze once he get manslaughter instead of murder. "

rage against wrote on Jan 19, 2009 9:49 AM:

" Mr. Feasor is exactly correct (except for one thing)

This man doesn't deserve to be free. When anybody shoots anyone and subsequently kills them there needs to be a trial and in most instances some kind of consequences. Although the riots and Oakland's high crime rate are significant issues they are not relevant to the fact (the only real one any of us who weren't there can ascribe to knowing) that a man shot another man and killed him.

Calling for the cop's freedom and abhorring actions none of us have any proof of (actions taken by the man who was shot) leads to the same behavior that justifies throwing a molotov cocktail at a car or business window.

This guy is recieving the trial he deserves, and will thus be judged. End of story. Stop the subjective pandering.

And to the aforementioned parenthetical note, Not all NVR commentators are striving for productive discussion, maybe you and me, but certainly not all. "

redwino wrote on Jan 19, 2009 9:57 AM:

" I am very disappointed to read so many comments condemning the police offer. I don't believe that anyone can truly say what their reactions would have been if they happened to be in Mehserle's shoes that night. More importantly - no one knows all of the facts… but for some reason all the fingers are being pointed to Mehserle. It was a very terrible and unfortunate incident for both parties involved. It is very arrogant to jump to conclusions without knowing the facts. "

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