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Farewell to Bush and Cheney

Monday, December 29, 2008

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Dear editor,

Finally rid of Bush/Cheney. Bush legacy: lied like a dog to start a war so his cronies got rich; tortured prisoners and held them outside the U.S. to bypass our laws; spies on our citizens without court order and treats the Constitution with total disregard; caused the deaths of thousands of American servicemen and women, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians who lost their lives or were disfigured; destroyed their country with no plan of how to rebuild or maintain it; awarded billions in no-bid contracts to his cronies; ignored the signs of the financial meltdown; disregarded the rest of the world when he invaded Iraq with his “bring it on” attitude — tough words for a man who was invisible when it was his turn to fight; he ran like a rabbit.

His two terms are the only time in my 56 years that I have been ashamed of my country. But look on the bright side, we now get to support him in royal style for the rest of his life!

Butch Green

Napa

96 comment(s)

kevin wrote on Dec 29, 2008 5:02 AM:

" President Bush promised to keep this country safe after 9/11 and, with the outstanding efforts of our troops, this has been a complete success.

He understood that we are in a war, a war with the Islamofascists that required military action, not legal actions.

I am hopeful by his recent appointments, that B.O. is going to continue the Bush policy of aggressive military action. "

Is it 2012 yet? wrote on Dec 29, 2008 6:01 AM:

" How do dogs lie? "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Dec 29, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Mr. Bungle was SO BAD and SO CORRUPT that he has awakened many people who thought it did not matter who was president that America really suffers whenever the 'Money Party' takes over our government, most especially the presidency.

My brother who used to listen to Rush Limbaugh like he was the prophet Moses is now one of the newly awake!

Our family has had an eight-year civil war come to an end over the Christmas season! Thank God!

Pray that George W. Bush is unable to do any more damage to America's families before his last day on January 20th, 2009.

On that day we can start binding up America's wounds from Mr. Bungle and his grifter cronies.

~Ruff "

Paddy wrote on Dec 29, 2008 9:20 AM:

" I'm grateful we've had over 7 years without the enemy hitting my country. The current administration did a good job keeping my family safe. I hope the next administration has the same fortitude. With attitudes like Butch, I'm not sure it will. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Dec 29, 2008 9:26 AM:

" blah blah blah. Here's someone who's been having a hissy fit since 2000. Time to get over it! Whack! "

common sense wrote on Dec 29, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Bush and Cheney certainly made mistakes, but they overall did a good job. Keeping the country safe from attacks like Mumbai, fighting AIDS in Africa, forging a critical strategic partnership with India, building the first nuclear reactors in decades, etc. History will be much more objective than the scattered liberals in the opinion section... "

kbf wrote on Dec 29, 2008 10:15 AM:

" Butch, sorry you feel so strongly about the bad things Bush/Cheney did. Please don't forget that a good portion of the time the congress and senate were controled by the democrats. Were there wepons of mass destruction I believe they were and went to Syria when Sadams family went
Every president gets to be supported for the rest of his life in royal style which I think is wrong. There are some good things that Bush has done but as a Republican Iam very disappointed in Bush in a lot of things. "

glenroy wrote on Dec 29, 2008 11:09 AM:

" Well ol Butch…if you’d paid any attention to the previous Administrations you wouldn’t be so far behind….

Happy New Year… "

winewoman wrote on Dec 29, 2008 7:29 PM:

" Ashamed of your country, are you Butch? The greatest country in the world and you are ashamed. Well, there are counties in our world right now committing genocide against their people, countries with extreme political corruption and a rampant child sex trade. Countries who can't feed the people or provide medical care. Countries whose children are orphaned and dying due to illness and poverty. And what about China - the number one holder of US Treasury Bonds. They have huge financial leverage right now. So, not to worry, Butch - the US may become owned by the Chinese someday. Think you're ashamed now... "

alucawanza wrote on Dec 29, 2008 8:19 PM:

" kbf:
Your Math is wrong. Bush was supported by a Republican congress for six out of eight years.

Great letter; succinct and to the point. Not one point wrong. And, in the future many other lawless activities and flagrant abuses of power will come to light.

Bush and Cheney did not do a great job. They came in with an agenda that they followed that had nothing to do with the good of America. They lined their pockets with Halliburton. They killed over 4,000 soldiers. We are not any safer. Their actions in Iraq caused thousands of young Islamic youths to join terroist organizations.

There is not one kudo that these two should ever receive. They were criminal. "

John Richards wrote on Dec 29, 2008 9:24 PM:

" alucawanza wrote "They killed over 4,000 soldiers. "

That's not only wrong, it is close to treason! The Iraq war was fully authorized by Congress and therefore legal. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Dec 29, 2008 9:42 PM:

" alucawanza: as so often with your 'wrong' statements, it is you who are wrong. Most of the six years of the so-called Republican congress, the Dems used tactics to block progress. Funny how 'progressives' really aren't. Yes, the Republicans were fractured, with too many RINOs. The numerical majority wasn't even close to a majority.

The letter writer was wrong, as I said before this is just someone at the end of an eight year hissy fit. One wonders how he will fill his spare time now that he has no one to hate. Proving again, lefties are often the haters. Party of diversity, inclusion, and tolerance - yeah, only if you don't say anything except Dem talking points. What a joke! One word in response: Clinton.

In many respects they did not do a great job, but an average job. They made mistakes, as all presidencies do. But we are safer. Those Islamic youths would have joined anyway, especially if we had showed signs of weakness. You and the other apologists don't seem to understand that there are people who really do want to destroy us. They laugh at Jimmy Carter and Kumbaya.

Show me proof (NOT from Olbermann) that they lined their pockets with Halliburton. Provide proof for your assertion there was criminal behavior. DiFi and other Dems have done the same and worse, and voted for the war in Iraq. All you can do, like ruff, is infer that conservatives are more evil than lefties, which is of course untrue. It is power that corrupts. The Dems now have the power, watch for their corruption to bloom. Already we have Gov. BadHairDay trying to sell Obama's seat. Tip of the iceberg. Just watch and wait. "

db76 wrote on Dec 29, 2008 10:13 PM:

" America has lost standing in the World since Bush took office. hello China and India. Also, 4000+ Americans dead from war since 2001. I hardly call that keeping America safe. "

magnum wrote on Dec 29, 2008 10:17 PM:

" Bush will be remembered for allowing gas prices to get so high it caused a domino effect on our economy, which led to massive layoffs. The fall of the housing market which led to a downfall in our economy, and a war in Iraq that cost over millions of dollars per week to finance. Health care is horrible and the market is failing. It's amazing that we allowed this man to cause so much damage in his eight years to our beloved country. I hope and pray that Obama can fix this mess. "

Big John wrote on Dec 29, 2008 11:22 PM:

" hey alucawanza..."They" didn't kill 4000 troops. "They" didn't kill over 3000 Americans on 911 either. The terrorists DID! As for 6 out 8 years and the Republicans being in power...what the hell have the Liberals done the past 2 years? NOTHING!

As for being ashamed of this great country of ours...if you were so ashamed why didn't you leave with all the idiots from Hollywood who said they were leaving when Bush won in '04? Oh wait, they didn't leave either. Why too, because you have no place better in the world to go. Stay put and shut up. If we give Obama as much crap as you gave Bush you'll go crying we are not being fair and racist I'm sure. Look, I'm not happy that Obama is the Pres but I'll support "my" presdent. Let's hope he can protect us the same as George W has over the past 8 years. As for blaming Bush for the economy...guess he also messed up the world economy at the same time...and made oil go down under $40 a barrel just as he was leaving office. Come on, smarten up and realize the president is only one person and does not have that much power!

This is a great country and one can only hope Obama doesn't jeapordize our safety...especially with Hillary & Bill out on the circuit! Fathers...make sure your wives and daughters are safely far away from Bill in his travels. "

justnana wrote on Dec 29, 2008 11:32 PM:

" I agree with Paddy. My family is safe and I believe that our new President is going to step up and be strong enough and smart enough not to weaken our defenses and will continue to keep us safe. "

Raven wrote on Dec 30, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Treason, JR...get a grip....she is expressing her opinion...one of her rights, remember them.

As for who killed whom, Big John, Bush and his administration lied to the people of this country and the congress to get that authorization...so yeah, some people may hold them responsible for the deaths of more than 4,000 in a war that didn't have to be and shouldn't have been fought...and again Big John, your answer seems to always be, you don't like it leave....

PPF, look at the economic carnage around you and say that they did a great job....you will find a smaller and smaller number of people agreeing with you....latest polls give Bush the lowest approval ranking since they started doing the polls in the 30s...

As for who is the party of haters...let see...which party has a candidate for its chair that thinks it is a nice joke to issue a CD with 'Obama the magic Negro' as one of the songs? That give you a clue? "

John Richards wrote on Dec 30, 2008 11:36 AM:

" db76 wrote "Also, 4000+ Americans dead from war since 2001. I hardly call that keeping America safe. "

Oh, would you rather have multiple 9/11 type events committed against the civilians here at home? "

John Richards wrote on Dec 30, 2008 11:46 AM:

" Raven, to me, someone who accuses the president of the United States of killing people in a time of war -- is committing treason.

Bush didn't lie. The CIA and other intelligence agencies fed him outdated information about WMD. Other countries, like England, dug up the same stale information independently. The Congress received the same intelligence briefings, and therefore overwhelmingly voted to authorize war. Bush had no choice but to base his decision on what the intelligence experts told him. "

John Richards wrote on Dec 30, 2008 11:52 AM:

" magnum wrote: "Bush will be remembered for allowing gas prices to get so high it caused a domino effect on our economy..."

Pray do tell, just how did Bush cause the increase in gas prices??? And what could he have done to lower them? Gas prices are set by world markets, not by the US government.
Gas prices did not cause the economic collapse. That was done by the bad housing loans. Get your facts straight. "

108923 wrote on Dec 30, 2008 12:30 PM:

" Don't let the door hit you on the way out George. Good Riddance. "

Madison Jay Hamilton wrote on Dec 30, 2008 2:47 PM:

" Bush kept us safe? Tell that to former residents of New Orleans. Bush bungled the government's response to Hurricane Katrina. As a result, most Americans lost their confidence in Bush. He never won back that confidence. Most Americans look forward to the end of Bush's time in office and a chance for the country to recover from the catastrophe(s) caused by Bush's incompetence. "

Hear Ye wrote on Dec 30, 2008 2:54 PM:

" History will not be kind to this President. Let's hope our Country can learn and grow from this disaster. "

mominapa wrote on Dec 30, 2008 3:19 PM:

" History will not be kind to this president because he was not kind to the world, especially his own country. I will be very surprised if he will be involved in any kind of humanitarian endeavors in his retirement. He will go back to Crawford and move the same pile of cuttings and yard waste he has been filmed playing with for 8 years.

"Bye, W, Bye, D*ckie - See ya!!! Hopefully not soon." "

alucawanza wrote on Dec 30, 2008 4:37 PM:

" Hey Big John:
Those 4,000 wouldn't have been killed if they hadn't been sent to a war based on lies that Bush told Congress to get its approval. He knew his intelligence was wrong. He and Cheney had this plan long before his first inauguration. He was going to get the guy who tried to get his Pappy. Criminal.
So sorry that exercising my freedom of speech bothers you to the point where you tell me to leave the country. It isn't treasonous to say your President is a liar. I'm sure you've said that and more about Clinton. Ad hominem arguments are worthless.

You go ahead and support a president that allowed torture, had his cronies out a covert CIA agent in reprisal for political actions of her husband, suspended due process for detainees, is listening to your phone calls overseas without legal permission, and pardoned the criminal Scooter after he had been found guilty. Be proud of this guy and complain about the president who was unfaithful to his wife. So were Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Kennedy. And the best Republican of all was Richard Nixon. He was just a thief, liar, and cover-up artist who was forced to resign and then was pardoned by another Republican.
Let's see who your hero pardons before leaving office.

I will not stay put and shut up. That's what the Germans did during WWII.

Hope those blinders are comfortable. "

alucawanza wrote on Dec 30, 2008 5:06 PM:

" PlasticPinkFlamingo,
Only 25 days or so to wait and then watch. I've been counting for years for this obscenity of a presidency to be over. It has been a parody of what leadership and governing are supposed to be. He is a caricature of himself.

BTW: Bush signed almost every bill that came to his desk. He added signing statements that changed the character and intent of the bills. Thank goodness for the checks and balances in place. Thank goodness for those "Dem tactics".

To quote you: "Power corrupts" Well guess who was in power the last eight years?

BTW: The relationship between Bush and Halliburton dates way back to the 40’s and 50’s when former President Bush worked for Dresser Inc, which merged with Haliburton in the 90’s. Vice President Cheney became CEO of Haliburton in 1996 and held the position until he resigned to run for Vice President. Cheney received a $36 million severance package. Obviously, Haliburton was paying Cheney for future business contracts, which they got, in billions and billions of dollars of contracts. Whyever would Cheney receive $36 million severance package for four years of employment?

These were non-bid contracts.
Many have not been fulfilled but were paid for. Unfinished ....

This information is not from Olberman.

I'm looking forward with a positive attitude to the next four years. I'm hoping for a revival of honesty and integrity in our national government. The last eight years have been very disturbing with a guy that waits seven minutes, reading a child's book, before acting when our country is under attack. Did that make you feel safe? "

John Richards wrote on Dec 30, 2008 11:08 PM:

" alucawanza wrote: "He knew his intelligence was wrong."

Prove it. "

alucawanza wrote on Dec 30, 2008 11:45 PM:

" John Richards:
Google the following: When did Bush know the intelligence was wrong? There are many reliable sources that will tell you. Here is the beginning of the first google entry:

Sept. 6, 2007 | On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

This article goes on but is too long to reprint here with the 300 word limit. I have proven it. Prove it to yourself by googling: When did Bush know the intelligence was wrong. You will find the answer is clear. He knew it before Congress voted and he hid it from them. He is a criminal and should have been impeached just for this. Look it up for yourself. "

Raven wrote on Dec 31, 2008 12:34 AM:

" he has as much as said so in a interview he gave with Charlie Gibson a couple weeks ago, JR. "

antipc wrote on Dec 31, 2008 11:03 AM:

" I can think of a few things to blame Bush for but ACCUSATIONS of lying to start a war for money, killing soldiers, causing hurricanes, & inflating gas prices shows just how uninformed liberals really are, all emotion & no substance. And as for being ashamed of being American, no one is forcing you to be one. I hear France is real nice, not to mention they have lots of cheese to go with that whine. "

glenroy wrote on Dec 31, 2008 11:14 AM:

" The problem is the intelligence wasn’t wrong, and it wasn‘t right, and it never is either way….intelligence reports are merely ranged estimations…and as the Iraqi intelligence report went it was right in the middle.

There has been thousands of artillery shells found enough WMD to wipe out SF, the peninsula and San Jose….enough precursors for WMD to manufacture within hours tons of highly toxic WMD easily wiping out the entire LA Basin, there was enough radioactive tonnage to contaminate the entire state of Texas or the populated areas of California, Oregon and Washington and there were confirmed links found in the rubble of Baghdad to leave no doubt that Saddam was providing aid to al Qaeda associated groups.

The issue isn‘t whether or not Saddam violated the surrender agreement….it’s for libs everything stops to revolve around a point in time when a conclusion is made to their ideological benefit, never to be reconsidered at a later date when unrevealed facts become revealed…like the Tet Offensive for another example.

Secondly….like always….libs blame Republicans for the consequences we suffer at the hand of their failures, in this instance gutting our intelligence agencies….making their charter an impossible task.

You’re either with us or you’re against us….or in more relevant terms either you learn from history as it passes by or become a lib by …..there is no way to be both…..LOL>>>>> "

Skip M. wrote on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM:

" I am sooooooooo bored with this topic.

The wisdom or folly of President Bush's policies will be proven out in the first two years of Obama's first term.

Depending on that outcome we will decide if we need to...

Impeach Obama! "

rogers wrote on Dec 31, 2008 11:56 AM:

" kevin wrote "President Bush promised to keep this country safe after 9/11 and, with the outstanding efforts of our troops, this has been a complete success.”

Conservatives have been pushing that piece of drivel for some time now. The argument has no more validity than claiming the sun rises each morning because of George Bush and company.

You don't know that had Al Gore, John McCain, John Kerry or anyone else been in power at the time, we would have had the same result. In fact no president could have escaped public scrutiny and wrath had they not taken severe retaliatory and organizational measures after 2001. You should not be so willing to accept talking points from a desperate administration and fellow apologists.

Remember this was the same team that wanted to hand over the operation of our ports to the UAE maritime management firm Dubai Ports World in 2006. They were to oversee the ports in New York and New Jersey; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Baltimore, Maryland; Miami, Florida; and New Orleans, Louisiana. Fortunately an alert Congress and public said "Like hell you will!".

And still, port authorities all over the nation have received a pittance of requested funds since 2001. The administration has consistently blocked implementation of more secure protocols because American business doesn’t want any delay of products it imports from China and other outsourced providers.

Some of you may feel secure that we only have 3 more weeks until Monster, Inc. leaves office. Remember his daddy committed 25,000 American troops to Somalia 6 weeks before leaving office. Who knows what may happen if he is still taking cues from the Rev.Ted Haggard. "

glenroy wrote on Dec 31, 2008 1:06 PM:

" Talking about drivel….arguing about what you don’t know....is drivel....but let's talk about what is known.

Democrat’s gutted the intelligence agencies in the Carter ear and the Clinton era. Democrat’s gutted combat readiness 40% in the Clinton era and 60% in the Carter era…..compendia? Democrats had a real simple choice, either support a moderate despot or allow a known to all but them radical Islamist despot to rule Iran….real basic political science 101.….

Daddy didn’t do Somalia….the UN Requested Marines to distribute food supplies... things were going very well without a single loss of life until Clinton expanded the mandate ‘to arrest and criminally try warlords‘… upon learning of the expanded mandate Clinton broke the cardinal rule of giving our troops the tools to accomplish the mission outright refusing requested armor personal carriers, the primary transportation method in heavily populated areas where we had none, our troops were using Humvees or Helicopters….and if it were not for Pakistani forces coming to rescue driving old American Made APC's all our troops would have been slaughtered. The last fact is along with the rest of the decade of doing nothing while al Qaeda slaughtered left and right around the world it was precisely Clinton mucking up Somalia with his preemptive retreat that set in motion the massive expansion of al Qaeda…..culminating in 9/11.

This really isn’t a liberal conservative issue….Patrick Moynihan who by all accounts is the last intellectual liberal left the liberal ideological fold because; ‘ liberals cannot distinguish our friends from our enemies’….Amen… "

kevin wrote on Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM:

" I don't require "talking points", rogers. I understand history and follow current events and, as such, was well aware of the Islamofascist threat long before any politician took it seriously.

And 'yes' I can say with great certainty that had Algore been in office at the time, he would NOT have made the correct response to 9/11. The man doesn't have enough sense to shut up about "global warming" in the midst of a pending ice age.

And BTW Raven, its "Barack the Magic Negro" not 'Obama the magic Negro'. Obviously you have not listened to the parady, so I don't see how you can possibly comment about it. I know Liberals don't understand humor, but the song has nothing hateful in it. Like all successful humor, it has to have an element of truth to be funny... "

antipc wrote on Dec 31, 2008 3:34 PM:

" Of course there would have been no 9/11 had Clinton taken up Sudan on thier generous offer of bin Laden on a silver plater. "

alucawanza wrote on Dec 31, 2008 3:48 PM:

" kevin: It's not funny. It's disrespectful and racist. BTW, it's not parady, it's parody.

The last few Republican/Conservative posts have had such generalities in them it's laughable. Liberals are whiny and should go to France and eat cheese??? What are you guys doing in California? Move to Crawford and be with your people.

Antpc: I showed you the evidence. Look it up yourself. Google Bush and add any issue you would like to refute. Good luck. Twenty days to go. "

rogers wrote on Dec 31, 2008 3:54 PM:

" glenroy - "Clinton broke the cardinal rule of giving our troops the tools to accomplish the mission..."

Is that anything like Rumsfeld's going to war in Iraq with a much smaller than recommended force (Joint Chiefs) because "this thing will be over in weeks..." or Cheney's horticultural expertise of Iraqis throwing flowers in our path for kicking open the doors of Bagdad. Or lack of body armor for our troops and how many years of the same unarmored Humvees our commanders had begged for?

But our troops were well prepared for all that nerve gas and anthrax - oh, but interestingly, it wasn't there. Remember David Kay our WMD expert squirming before Congress admitting that they found NOTHING (but some residual materials from the 1991 war) and there appeared to be no infrastructure that could have been used for production of WMDs since the same 1991 war. Do you remember? I do.

Kevin, easy on the snow cones, guy. They'll freeze your forehead and make you think we're in an "ice age". "

Raven wrote on Dec 31, 2008 3:58 PM:

" kevin, that you think it is funny either way says a lot. "

antipc wrote on Dec 31, 2008 6:17 PM:

" I'm quite certain no President makes such decisions based on any one piece of evidence, so your vitriol proves nothing. But you conveniently leave out the fact that Sadam continually violated UN resolutions which to me is a sign of defiance &/or guilt. Maybe you forgot about Sadam murdering hundreds of thousands of his own people with WMDs.

One thing that is clear to me is that liberals love dictators like Sadam because you all play by the same rules: no rules apply to me. "

alucawanza wrote on Dec 31, 2008 7:31 PM:

" antipc: Your last statement . . . what hyperbolic nonsense!
It's Bush who felt that no rules applied to him . . . obviously. . . which has already been explained and proven in previous posts. Google "When did Bush discover the intelligence was wrong?" No rules appear to have applied to him, not even the Constitutional ones. Happy New Year!
Twenty days to go! "

Raven wrote on Dec 31, 2008 8:44 PM:

" cant come soon enough "

John Richards wrote on Dec 31, 2008 9:30 PM:

" alucawanza wrote: "Google the following: When did Bush know the intelligence was wrong."

What that article says is that the 'no WMD' report came from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle. How trustworthy was that source? Bush received other intelligence reports saying there was WMD, and those sources were judged to be more trustworthy. So, you haven't proved anything. It is a known fact that Saddam had used WMD in the past, and that he continually refused to account for the destruction of the WMD manufacturing equipment. Based on those and other criteria, Bush was fully justified for starting the Iraq war. "

misfit wrote on Dec 31, 2008 10:15 PM:

" Was Saddam's murdering hundreds of thousands of his people any different than our being responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of his people? "

Raven wrote on Jan 1, 2009 6:20 AM:

" but you forget the part where the UN weapons inspectors said over and over again, just prior to the war, that they had found no credible evidence of those WMDs, Bush refused to wait even two weeks for their work to finish... "

kevin wrote on Jan 1, 2009 8:56 AM:

" And there, misfit, in one sentence is the reason there is such a political divide in this country.

Conservatives read it and the answer is obvious.

Liberals read it and see a completely different answer. "

alucawanza wrote on Jan 1, 2009 11:40 AM:

" JR:
Focus on the word "accurate":
On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

19 days to go. "

Hear Ye wrote on Jan 1, 2009 11:58 AM:

" I've listened to that "parody" song and can confidently say that it isn't funny in the slightest. It isn't clever or smart and even despite the racist and offensive lyrics I think the fact that only old white republican men find it humorous says enough "

John Richards wrote on Jan 1, 2009 1:56 PM:

" alucawanza wrote: "Focus on the word "accurate".

As libs tend to do, you took that word out of context. The full context is "it turned out to be accurate."
After the fact Monday morning quarterbacking is easy but unfair. It might even be considered unethical. "

rogers wrote on Jan 1, 2009 4:20 PM:

" kevin wrote "Conservatives read it and the answer is obvious. Liberals read it and see a completely different answer."

That’s right Kevin, the evidence has shown that the liberals read this one the RIGHT way and you didn’t. Even Cheney has now admitted they were going into Iraq regardless and the WMD gave them good cover. They knew the WMD intel was bogus and highly suspect but they had another agenda. They willingly cherry-picked the data to fit the agenda. The fact that Cheney and white house staff used a non-compliant private server to circumvent the standard protocols for data/communication collection and now Cheney refuses to turn over any of his records as a public servant, shows just how treasonous a group these bums are.

Once they have been out of office awhile and the out-of-work neocons and minions begin to sell book deals, there will an avalanche of info confirming everything we have been saying for years. You have the option to objectively review it and rethink your position or continue down the same old path of denial. "

rogers wrote on Jan 1, 2009 4:33 PM:

" As to antipc’s “Sadam murdering hundreds of thousands of his own people with WMDs...”

I think you are primarily speaking of Halabja (3500-5000 killed, verfied) and the Al-Anfal campaigns against the Kurds. The Al-Anfal number is estimated at 50,000 - 100,000 people with some suspected use of chemical weapons. Here’s the problem - there is very little verifiable data that proves those numbers. At Saddam Hussein’s trial, the prosecution offered a number of 182,000 but no corroborating evidence to prove those numbers. They were extrapolated numbers based on the number of villages destroyed and/or abandoned.

Obviously Saddam was a thug and a mass murderer but no where near the level of Hitler. I am skeptical of numbers so easily provided (just like those of the Lancet). All sides with agendas inflate and deflate the numbers to prove their points. From all the data I have researched, I think it may be difficult to show more than 15,000 actually killed by WMD in Iraq. The other problem is where are the bodies? We occasionally hear about a new mass grave uncovered in Iraq but they rarely seem to exceed more than 100 bodies. When conflict ensues we know that populations flee. Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled into Turkey, Iran and Syria. Many Kurds allied themselves with the Iranian army during the Iran-Iraq war. Do we count those dead as civilians or military combatants?

Suggest we all be cautious with the numbers. "

antipc wrote on Jan 1, 2009 7:29 PM:

" Alu,
Bush played by all the rules including receiving overwhelming congressional approval. Sadam never did.

Rogers,
You should have directed your numbers comment to misfit, no matter how you cut it Sadam murdered more of his own people than the USA did & the numbers are in the hundreds of thousands.

Raven,
Bush waited years for Sadam to comply, he refused. Not to mention the UN weapons inspectors were just as incompetent as the rest of the UN. "

rogers wrote on Jan 1, 2009 9:00 PM:

" antipc - the weapons inspectors got it right - nada. Incompetent applies to David Kay (our guy) who claimed to know all about the WMD and advocated our invasion. After the "victory" and 6 months of investigation, he crawled back to the US Senate and admitted there was NOTHING. What part of that testimony can't you understand? And if you are so outraged by numbers, where were you guys during the Rwandan Genocide of 1994 when 3/4 of a million Tutsis were killed by Hutu militia? And the WMD of choice - children with machetes.

Sorry, but it's your misuse of data to justify an unwarranted invasion that I was responding to. Misfit's question is valid. "

alucawanza wrote on Jan 1, 2009 9:47 PM:

" antipc:
Bush misled Congress with flawed intelligence reports.

Bush has never "played" by all the rules. He is the most unpopular president in the history of the U.S.A.

Enough of this.
As rogers said: When this is over and Bush is out of office all of the creepy little minions will make book deals and tell us all the inside dirt on Mr. Bungle.

Count yourself and J.R. in one of the smallest minorities in the U.S. You approve of Bush along with about 27% of the rest of the population. 73% disagree with you. Hmmmm.

19 days to go. Goodbye Bush and Cheney and eight dark years of disaster. "

kevin wrote on Jan 2, 2009 8:21 AM:

" rogers said "Even Cheney has now admitted they were going into Iraq regardless and the WMD gave them good cover."

Where did THAT come from? "

jwk wrote on Jan 2, 2009 8:41 AM:

" After less than twelve months of Osamabama you'll be praying for a return of Bush and Maybe even Clintoon. The BO Hussein Recession and Meltdown begun once the Lying Liberal beat Hillary.. And we WILL be attacked by his Terrorist Supporter groups sooner than later. "G H U A".. Means God Help US all, for those of you Lib's that just love the nick naming! "

Raven wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:01 AM:

" from his own interviews kevin...within the last month ... and jwk, looking at your latest post I would suggest the one who loves the nicknaming is staring back at you when you look in the mirror each morning. "

misfit wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:40 AM:

" "Overwhelming Congressional approval"??? Based on lies and misinformation and bungled intelligence!
Also, Bush allowed 911 to happen since they had the information regarding the impending attack and did NOthing!!! Then, he gets credit for keeping us safe for 7 years??? What a joke that only those in denial seem to be oblivious to. "

alucawanza wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:24 AM:

" jwk
* Ah, the conservative crystal ball allows you to see into the future? What are tomorrow's lottery numbers?
* "Osamabama", "Clintoon" (oh that's clever), "BO Hussein" (reference to underarm odor perhaps?), "GHUA"???, and "Lib's" (which is the possessive form when it should have been plural, as in libs). Please speak to an issue. In your rant, I found myself distracted by your vitrolic invective. C'mon, you know you're going to hate it, but you're going to need to consult a dictionary on that last one. Gotcha!
* Of what "Terrorist Supporter groups are you speaking? You used the pronoun "his"; would those be Barack Obama's terrorist supporter groups?? If so, you must name one if you wish to capitalize it! I'm afraid you get a D+ on this - back to school for you! "

glenroy wrote on Jan 2, 2009 3:21 PM:

" Well Rogers….that’s a can of worms as to whether or not Rumsfeld’s dictated troop strength in the first place…but let’s give it a try.

Undoubtedly the most qualified to answer that question is General Thomas Franks….he drew up several liberation plans using various scenarios….he wrote in his Memoirs he had what ever he needed without condition. There have been many books written that claim otherwise, but very few of them were written firsthand and almost all that were written firsthand overwhelmingly concur with General Franks….so I’d say your very premise is partisan jingo…but let’s look at it from a context perspective.

Just prior to commencement of hostilities Democrat estimates of KIA ranged on average 15,000 to 30,000 and I vividly recall Nancy Pelosi telling us to expect at least 10,000 KIA and who knows how many when they got to Baghdad….H. Clinton said it could be up to 30,000 KIA but the cost was necessary to protect us from Saddam…and of course the anti libs were claiming 100,000‘s just in Baghdad…….as Kevin pointed out you libs are darn near oblivious to living history and the cause and effects of your cherished policy failures. I suppose you’ve long forgotten the parade of Democrat’s flying to Baghdad after the surprising fall claiming it was their policies that won the war?

The occupation, after the cessation of major combat operations, wasn’t perfect, but the war was won and the country is far better off for it. From a Democrat perspective it was a disaster because it worked…..sadly history wise just a hand full of Democrats had the courage and wisdom to stay the course…the rest shivered in the tall grass until is was safe to hid somewhere else…

LOL and MC and HNY. "

John Richards wrote on Jan 2, 2009 5:01 PM:

" alu wrote: "Bush misled Congress with flawed intelligence reports."

You didn't prove willful misleading. Congress got the same intelligence reports that Bush got, so it is not surprising they reached the same conclusion.

"Count yourself and J.R. in one of the smallest minorities in the U.S. You approve of Bush along with about 27% of the rest of the population."

Is that in reference to his approval rating? It's still a heck of a lot better than Congress' approval rating. To be sure, a lot of bad stuff happened on his watch. People tend to blame whoever is in power for their misfortunes, whether justified or not. "

Raven wrote on Jan 2, 2009 5:34 PM:

" glenroy, the chief of staff at the time, Gen. Shensiki, was not retained becuase, when asked by Congress, said he recommended that troop levels be more than double what was proposed by Rumsfeld.

The context is Bush and ncomp[any lied to get us into a war that had nothing to do with 9/11 and nothing to do with WMDs and the Bush/Cheney apologists like youself, glenroy, are scrambling to change the historical record as the pair prepare to leave on of the worst administrations in US history.

It is easy to start a war, glenroy, when you aren't the one facing the gun barrel. "

antipc wrote on Jan 2, 2009 7:25 PM:

" Rogers, we did not kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis let alone murder them, so misfit is wrong.

Alu, Bush did play by the rules regardless of his pole numbers, Sadam did not. BTW the Dem controlled congress numbers are one third of Bushes' numbers, so give it a break & find an argument with substance. "

alucawanza wrote on Jan 2, 2009 8:56 PM:

" Antipc:
Here's substance for you. Bush did not play by the rules. Here are some substantive examples:
*Bush is the first president in modern history who has never vetoed a bill, giving Congress no chance to override his judgments. Instead, he has signed every bill that reached his desk, often inviting the legislation's sponsors to signing ceremonies at which he lavishes praise upon their work. (Liar)

Then, after the media and the lawmakers have left the White House, Bush quietly files ''signing statements" -- official documents in which a president lays out his legal interpretation of a bill for the federal bureaucracy to follow when implementing the new law. The statements are recorded in the federal register.

In his signing statements, Bush has repeatedly asserted that the Constitution gives him the right to ignore numerous sections of the bills -- sometimes including provisions that were the subject of negotiations with Congress in order to get lawmakers to pass the bill. He has appended such statements to more than one of every 10 bills he has signed.

What happened to checks and balances?

Another item of substance: Torture of detaintees.

Another item of substance: Warrantless surveillance program. THIS IS A FELONY! There are two Congressional statutes that provide the sole means by which government can obtain approval for electronic surveillance. Bush ignored them.

Another item of substance: The invasion of Iraq is the worst U.S. foreign policy blunder in history. Based on faulty intelligence which everyone is excusing??? Act in haste, repent at leisure.

Another item of substance: Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath (which isn't over yet) revealed Bush as an ineffective executive.

17 1/2 days to go. "

misfit wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:49 PM:

" Gee JR...is that why Obama is being blamed for the recession when he isn't even in power yet. "

glenroy wrote on Jan 3, 2009 8:06 AM:

" Nice try….

Gen. Shensiki had nothing to do with it, he was appointed by Clinton and he was not a popular choice among his peers at that…for good reason he was unqualified. He never came close throughout his career of putting together a military operation anywhere near the size necessary to deal with this threat or remove Saddam for that matter. He has been pointed out in numerous books and articles as an ‘main military obstacle’ to taking action against al Qaeda…desk general.

Perhaps, in his defense, he realized due to Clinton’s massive budget cuts we lacked the capability for probable success, but in the end Shensiki is little more than imported version of Wackly Clark…you know the guy nearly attacked the Russian troops in Serbia to broaden the NATO war in Bosnia…the same guy who was dismissed as NATO Commander for insubordination.

Less than 10% off the career officer core identifies with your party and less than half of the rank and file….that ought to raise a few questions….

Giving the benefit of the doubt, call it a matter of priorities but it doesn’t change the fact that since the end of the Vietnam War, and in large part because of Democrat mismanagement of that war, Democrats have done a horrible job supporting both conventional and intelligence forces and agencies…

Read up…The Cell….Preachers of Hate…..1,000 Year of Revenge….Inside the 9/11 Plot….The Osama I Knew….Dereliction of Duty…all written by those tasked or closely involved with defending this nation….

Someone of us paid attention to these disastrous policies while being implemented, and no matter how much is written by those who caused this mess it will not change the facts. "

jwk wrote on Jan 3, 2009 8:39 AM:

" 9/11 Happened because The Clintoon Admin. for 8 years did nothing to stop us from being attack here and Abroad. You Kool Aiders must know by his own admin's admission that Osama Bin Laden was offered up three times in captivity and The Lameo Dem's and Limp Willy did nothing as usual. But You will see an attack larger than 09/11 soon as Barrack Hussein is an Arab and Chooses sides with the Muslim's by his own admission. Or was that just another gaff. But to you Bush Haters, your reign of insults, disrespect, lies, deceit & Derangement is nearly over. Now let's see if you are as hard on or even criticize one time your "Messiah" the most corrupt and inexperienced person Selected by Afirmative action & Illegal campaign money. An FYI, look up the Final electoral County map of the US. BHusseinO was blown out except for a few counties with the Lefty, Liberal, Gay Marriage Supporting, Socialist mentality. Bet you don't want anyone to see that reality. Let the Fun begin 01/21/09. Let's see who you and the Media Blame. And NO you don't get to continue to blame Bush for the New Dork's Socialistic , Security & Economic Problems he'll create. Also for the record, Katrina's problems were with the Two Democratic leaders, The Loser Mayor Nagin and Lame Lady Governor. Funny did you see what happened in Texas this last Big Hurricane?? Humm Republican leadership & Nobody sitting around whining waiting for a handout & Payoff. No Looting. There's your Party leadrship differences right there for you Loud & Clear. Good luck on future handouts when we Biz owners and Employers refuse to pay any more taxes, hire anymore employees and donate to the Lazy Do Nothing welfare groups. "

kevin wrote on Jan 3, 2009 10:10 AM:

" B.O. isn't being blamed for the recession, his proposal to run up the deficit by trillions of dollars to "stimulate" the ecomomy, is what he is being criticised about... "

Raven wrote on Jan 3, 2009 10:16 AM:

" anti, directly, through war, and indirectly, through the destruction of the country's infrastructure, the coalition has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. The WHO studies estimated up to 150,000 violence related deaths and more than 400,000 indirectly due to the war, substantive enough for you?

as for playing by the rules..whose rules?...the rule of law, no, his own rules, maybe. "

alucawanza wrote on Jan 3, 2009 12:03 PM:

" JWK:
Wow! What a rant! Here are some questions about your post.
How can President-elect Barack Obama become an Arab?
When did Barack "choose sides to become a Muslim by his own admission?"
What did Barack do that was corrupt?
What campaign money was illegal? Was it the $5.00 I sent in?
Where did Affirmative Action play a role in his nomination and election. I thought he won the primaries and was nominated by his party. Please explain with facts.
What role did FEMA play in the Katrina problem? Are those trailers still there?
Do you know that area of Texas that was hit by the hurricane is still a wasteland? It hasn't been cleared. It's miles of garbage representing the flotsam and jetsam of this administration.
Go ahead and refuse to pay your taxes. You'll be investigated, arrested for tax evasion, and maybe get the help you need.
Which groups won't you donate to that you donate to now??
I can't believe your rant made it through the screening process.
Refrain from personal attacks, degrading comments or remarks that do not add to a constructive dialogue. "

Raven wrote on Jan 3, 2009 6:28 PM:

" ahh...so now your are saying that the military officer corps is guided by its politics rather than it professional standards....and glenroy, Shensiki not qualified? Clark not qualified? You really have no relationship with the facts with when you start these tirades do you.....no one gets to0 be a four-start general by being unqualified......and once again, the defense spending plan that Clinton followed was initiated by the first Bush and then by Clinton's GOP sec of defense...but then why let facts get in the way of a good tirade "

glenroy wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:37 AM:

" There is no chance of long term economic recovery without a massive domestic effort to develop our own energy…atomic…fossil and bio….otherwise get use to the Democrat prophet #382, the peanut farmer turned President….’the inevitable decline of America’…. "

glenroy wrote on Jan 4, 2009 11:12 AM:

" It might appear… at least to partisans who tend to be politically dependent… it probably does appear that way to those viewing government as a means to get ‘mine’ …. undoubtedly it does to the Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and Obama wing. "

antipc wrote on Jan 4, 2009 6:31 PM:

" Counting Iraqi deaths is a game. How many Iraqis' died at the hands of homicide bombers? American bullets killed a lot of bad guys. Homicide bombers killed a lot of innocent civilians. Leave out the unintended consequences & you have a successful engagement of the enemy. "

Raven wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:44 PM:

" you mean suicide bombers anti? By Iraqi police figures, more than 44k have been killed by suicide bombers since 2005. "

freeport56 wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:13 PM:

" In 16 days it will my distinct honor to afford the newly sworn in President the same respect and dignity given to President Bush over the last eight years by the left. "

Joanne wrote on Jan 5, 2009 12:59 AM:

" I sure wish I knew what "biz" you owned because I would go out of my way to see to it that the folks in this valley -- the overwhelming majority of whom see things quite differently than you do and who voted for Obama in this last election -- were familiar with the point of view you have offered in that Jan 3, 8:39 a.m. post. I'm gonna take a wild guess here: you don't reveal this side of yourself to your customers, do you? You might just lose the business of some of those folks. And I'll just bet you don't mind taking their Liberal money at all, even if you don't want to pay any of that back out in taxes, or to "hire anymore employees [or] donate to the Lazy Do Nothing welfare groups."

Just where do you think the money you earn as a business owner comes from, anyway, jwk? If you're doing business in this valley, chances are a good portion of it is coming from the pocketbooks of the very people you have spewed such vitriol toward in that post. "

jwk wrote on Jan 5, 2009 9:20 AM:

" Just wait and see Kool Aid drinkers.. Time WILL tell. Wish I was wrong, BUT Your Messiah is a fraud (Where was he born, What criminals and terrorist's does he associate with, How did he get elected in Illinois?)And most all of the Demo led Congress that supported him are Thieves too. Suppose you support Al Freakin trying to steal an election and or win in the courts too? You'll be sorry just like back in 1976 only these next four years could be worse!! Remember what Interest rates and inflation were with Carter??Unemployment rate? And again, If you don't like the way the Rant system works, Don't play along or better yet don't read mine!!! This is what is Good about AMERICA (What Bush & Our Awesome Military gives you the right to do) that is until your party tries to squash free speech to only their ridiculous mantra! Heard of the Fairness Doctrine?? They are trying to (so stated level) a playing field already so completely biased to the left which primarily elected the fool for the people who weren't paying attention. And Believe me, we wouldn't want you as customers anyway. The few of you Liberal Lefties that rant here. Our Clients actually are Hardworking, Intellectually Honest, Factual, Pro American, Pro Capitalism, against Afirmative action/selection and don't have their heads in the sand or should I say where the sun don't shine!! Have a Nice Day though!!! "

jwk wrote on Jan 5, 2009 9:27 AM:

" P.S. Let me guess, You Lib's are Blaming Israel for the terror in the Gaza strip? Supporting Hamas like your Main Stream Media.. And you think Caroline Kennedy is a capable candidate for a Senate seat? SHe stutters and has more um's- awe's-ah's than your "So Brilliant Messiah". It's hilarious listening to him speak off Teleprompter. And you guys dissed Poor Old "W" Laughable!!! "

jwk wrote on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 AM:

" Maybe the "Eavesdroppers" should be listening to you and your Anti-Bush name calling as well. Hummmm WilliealucaWonka"? "

jwk wrote on Jan 5, 2009 9:40 AM:

" The BHusseionO administration already has more Scandals than anybody ever transistioning in to Office!! Corruption Galore!! Blago, Richardson, Biden, Reid, Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, Chris Dodd. This is Funny beyond belief!!! "

whatsgoingon wrote on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 AM:

" I saw the perfect bumper sticker the other day:

"1/20/09 - The End of an Error" "

Dr. Faustus wrote on Jan 5, 2009 10:50 AM:

" JWK -

You mentioned that you have "clients."

Tell me, what's the name of your business? "

Hear Ye wrote on Jan 5, 2009 11:11 AM:

" Haha...I think we finally have our first full blown meltdown on this site. What a nonsensical tirade. I'm glad he's not on my "team". "

Raven wrote on Jan 5, 2009 11:33 AM:

" and me out of popcorn....darn "

jwk wrote on Jan 5, 2009 1:56 PM:

" Here's Some better bumper stickers for you Lib's: Bitter American's for Obama by Michelle Obama. or Keep your Change cause that's all you'll have left Obama08 or Hate is NOT Hope by Obama & Rev. Wright or If you're NOT outraged, you're NOT paying attention or NObama or Obama nation or It's ok to call Bush Hitler but not OK to call Obama Muslim? just to name a few. They'll be selling like hotcakes soon. Maybe we'll include them in our new product line catalog. What do you think Hearyeehaw & Dr. False us ? "

Raven wrote on Jan 5, 2009 2:17 PM:

" you should make a million jwk.... "

Hear Ye wrote on Jan 5, 2009 4:24 PM:

" jwk-

I think those bumper stickers would be perfect for you. Like a quote from a popular Dave Chappelle skit, "If you have hate in your heart, let it out" "

alucawanza wrote on Jan 5, 2009 11:47 PM:

" jwk:
Johhny Depp or Gene Wilder? They were both great, of course. They sure taught lessons to their visitors. You would probably serve well as an oompa loompa. I'll bet you prefer white chocolate.
14 days to go. "

John Richards wrote on Jan 6, 2009 8:22 PM:

" That bumper sticker should say "1/20/09 - The End of one Error, the beginning of a new one".

O.B. is planning a massive 'make-work' fiasco, similar to FDR's New Deal. Funny that we don't learn from history. The New Deal did little to restore the economy, which recovered only as a result of WW2. "

Raven wrote on Jan 6, 2009 10:12 PM:

" actually it did a lot to improve it JR, cutting the rate of unemployment from 24 percent to 12 percent, all while giving us the infrastructure we are living with today in many cases. When FDR tried to reduce the spending in 1936 to balance the budget as conservatives wanted, unemployment spiked again and the depression deepened once. But yeah, the govt spending for the war did bring it out the depression...shows how well massive govt spending in a depression can do, doesnt it? "

kevin wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:06 PM:

" When did it get to 12%?

Unemployment was still 15% in 1940! The same year they instituted the draft which dropped unemployment down to 10% in 1941... "

Raven wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:56 PM:

" my mistake, 15 percent in 1931, climbed to a high of more than 25 percent by 1935 and fell was down to 14.3 in 37, 14 in 40, 9.9 in 41 and 4.7 in 42. (US bureau of labor statistics), so as government spending increased the rates fell, deficit spending worked. By 1943, the govt was spending 3x what it took in - 25, billion in revenue, 78b in spending..a 54 billion deficit...and civilian unemployment was still 3 percent. "

kevin wrote on Jan 10, 2009 8:26 PM:

" Some people are expecting B.O. to reinstate the draft in order to get the same increase in "employment" as FDR did with WWII... "

Raven wrote on Jan 11, 2009 8:53 AM:

" ROFL....nice try at some humor there kevin...are these the same folks who think he wasn't born in hawaii? "

alucawanza wrote on Jan 11, 2009 10:57 AM:

" "Some people" ? Who? "

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