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Tuesday, November 11, 2008

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By DAN ROSS
Register Online Staff

Election blogs

Barack Obama is the your next President of the United States.

What do you think of the result?

What do you think will happen during his term of office?

245 comment(s)

winemd wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:09 PM:

" The world will not end because Obama is the next President and it would not have ended if McCain had won. I am glad it's over. A few days of snarky comments and we can get back to our regular scheduled programming. There is no question in mymind that Obama has a big mess to deal with.
(How funny, the image verification ends with bho) "

krusty wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:13 PM:

" What an amazing moment. President Barack Obama. "

yvonne wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:17 PM:

" I'm not surprised. It was a hard decision to make this year, I didn't want to vote for either of them to start with, but I think that McCain's choice of VP running mate is what sunk him in the end.
Obama has his hands full, good luck to him. "

Joe wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:17 PM:

" First of all he is not the next president yet. I think there are people out there who may try to assassinate him before he is innagurated. Hopefully this doesn't happen but it has happened many times before. Some nutcase who would become famous for doing it. We'll see what happens. "

napagirl1970 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:22 PM:

" I am proud to be alive and well, to see/be part of this historic event taking place! "

yeeyeeobama! wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:30 PM:

" Yes! Finally someone great is in office as president! This will be a great next 4 years for the US to turn around. "

John Richards wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:33 PM:

" Had the economy not gone down the tubes as badly as it did these past few months, McCain would have won. The popular vote was remarkably close. "

someguyinnapa wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:36 PM:

" I am so happy to have had FOX NEWS (R) Fair and Balanced give me the news that Barrack indeed win the election! What a great day to be an American! "

Hmmm... wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:37 PM:

" Wooo Hooo! :-) Oh, I forgot, I'm supposed to be clear and concise. But it's so hard to do when you're delightedly intoxicated on democracy! I'm thrilled. But what a mess to walk into. "

diehard4ever wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:51 PM:

" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
IMPEACH OBAMA!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!! "

sdnapa wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:55 PM:

" we can now all rest. obama is going to "save" us. "

suze wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:57 PM:

" I'm just so relieved, but he is inheriting one hell of a mess - and that is just the stuff we know about. "

thedudeabides wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:57 PM:

" I'm so lucky to have seen the Berlin Wall come down in my lifetime and to have the priviledge to cast a vote for Barack Obama. It's Martin Luther King Jr's dream come true -- a vision for the whole country. The idea it's not the color of one's skin, but the content of one's character. Every now and then, history surprises you with the idea that things might actually move in the right direction. Do I think Barack Obama will be a perfect president? Nope. But I think his presidency will raise the goals of millions of children who have skin that's darker than mine. And that can only be a great thing. "

Serene wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:59 PM:

" A Great moment in History. Congrats President Barack Obama! "

Serene wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:08 PM:

" What a great day in History. Congrats to the new President of the USA - Barack Obama! "

naynay wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:10 PM:

" All I have to say is yes we did! "

prunepicker wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:13 PM:

" I helped Barak, now he will help me, I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car or pay my mortage. Congrats Barak. "

hawkins707 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:24 PM:

" My God, I'm both sick and scared. "

glenroy wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:34 PM:

" We will be back.....

We can overcome Democrat redistribution efforts merely by cutting payrolls, eliminating overhead and withholding investing capital…but security is another matter….this is the same group of leftwing ideologues who gutted our intelligence agencies, which of course enabled the 9/11 attacks…the very politicians that caused our financial meltdown….and the same politicians who have made this nation dependant upon foreign energy…..and who now enjoy the lowest public opinion approvals in congressional history….what they do best is win elections…but that’s like saying the most honest thief.

This wasn’t near the mandate libs were predicting…with less than 3% of the popular vote separating McCain and Obama it’s the slimist mandate in history…. "

dellasumbrella wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:46 PM:

" I think the voters did a good thing. We are back on track. I'm proud of my country, and looking forward to seeing a return of reason and respect.

I'm looking forward to seeing where and how the process will start, and have faith that the new direction will serve us well. All is good in this best of all possible worlds. "

NapaConservative wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:05 PM:

" I'm greatly saddened by this news. I had more faith in my country than this but know that tomorrow is a new day and we must come together to continue to pray for our leader and hope that he isn't who I think he is because if I'm right, we're in a lot of trouble! Please please let me be wrong! "

notpc wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Hold on to your hard earned investments. All of us who have struggled to put money into our 401k's will now have to live with his re-distribution of wealth. I can only imagine how much of my hard earned money is going to go to the segment of society that expects everything to be handed to them. "

dizzy wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:11 PM:

" Glad to see the election is over. Congratulations to Obama - this is a great day for our nation. Though why anyone would want to inherit all the problems you will is beyond me.
And no more political ads! "

greysack wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:26 PM:

" Now I don't have to get a job, thank you america. Peace out you working SUCKERS! "

pernodboi wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:31 PM:

" Well.... I just had a spontaneous celebration at Cole's - he has a rather wonderful '76 Armagnac that I adore.

I feel joy and a lifting of weight - for months I have said that either candidate would be wonderful and that this partisan bickering is just awful. But my goodness, Pres. Elect Obama is a wonderful speaker. I only hope Sen. McCain will be given a chance to serve the country more - maybe Sec of Def? Heck - Sec. of State!

Feeling content, and really really buzzed - Tony "

Newview wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:32 PM:

" Close is only good in hand grenades and horse shoes. 338 Electoral votes? Wow! By the way has everyone forgotten that this was a American Election? You would think that because so many people where in the partisan mode it would appear that the Civil War was on again. Please, please lets keep the gloom and doom down! By the way I have tickets to Canada that I bought in speculation, just in case this might happen. And should you be a desperate person and feel that you gotta go somewhere, I have them and will gladly in a American way sell them to you, of course with my costs, at just a little greater price than my original cost. Of course I have a friend who has purchased a boat and absolutely knows nothing about ocean going travel but swears he will be traveling to Costa Rica should Obama win. Sailing, there they go sailing....So does any one at the Register need tickets or a sail boat? "

grape wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:44 PM:

" This is not an historic day, because his story in the history books, if we are allowed to have history books after January, will be tainted as they tell of his radical friends, his racist pastor, and...I could go on but I won't.

I'll be curious to see what the stock markets say tomorrow knowing that America has just hired the man who's campaign said the US would be attacked and Barack Hussein Obama would do what looked like the wrong thing...but stick with them. "

Joe wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:45 PM:

" I'd like to say shame on all those Obama supporters for giving McCain supporters a hard time. I never criticized anyone who supported Obama. I didn't even make it an issue. But mostly every time I said I would vote for McCain when asked Obama supporters acted like I was supporting an evil dictator. "

Joe wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:54 PM:

" I'd like to thank President Bush for his outstanding job helping to make the world a safer place during the last eight years. I feel bad for him for having to deal with all the problems with terrorism due to the Clinton administration not fighting back after all the attacks in the 90's by Al Queda. He did a fine job though to prevent any more attacks on US soil after 9/11. I believe he would have achieved much more had he not had to deal with foreign affairs. "

prunepicker wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:00 PM:

" I helped with Obamas campain and I expect he will reward us who helpped him. My kids will now go to college . Dont ya guys get it? our troubles are behind us.everyone we now have a level playing field. Also the vineyard workers will have a chance at the American dream. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:01 PM:

" I hope, I really hope, that every child who witnesses this historic turn of events views it as an opportunity to move forward into a world where color of skin no longer dictates potential.

Now, down to business...Democrats need to enter an era of fiscal responsibility. Yes, we need to raise taxes to pay debt off. This is no different than having a credit card debt and having a plan to pay it off. We have spent too much and now we need a plan to pay debt off. it's not right passing dept onto those who will come after us. We cannot enter an era of spending without taxation. But if the burden of taxation is too high, we will damage our economy. We must become fiscally responsible Democrats who do not solve our problems with spending. We must become Democrats who do not view government as a solution to fix all problems. We must create a balance between personal and fiscal responsibility. "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:13 PM:

" Just got home from an amazing night. This is the mandate the country wanted and we got it. What a great time! "

krusty wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 PM:

" C'mon, Joe. Giving McCain supporters a hard time? I would like an example.

Grape, the world markets were all up today on the speculation that Obama was going to be elected. The early vote was in his favor and he was ahead in all the polls. I'm not saying Obama is going to turn everything around just by moving into the White House, but I think that shows how the world feels about Bush and Obama. "

Joe wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:41 AM:

" I think people should stop saying Obama is the next president and the 44th president. President Bush could die tomorrow, then Cheney would be the next president as the 44th. "

Raven wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:04 AM:

" slimmest mandate?..where have you been the past few elections, glenroy

bush beat kerry by 2 million votes in 2004....and bush won in 2000 with less popular votes than gore....only 47 percent of the popular vote....

such a bunch of sour grapes here "

rebob wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:17 AM:

" What a moment in American History......Now here's a thought, what if....Obama rebounds this Country, what if he lives up to what he says. At that point will all you folks who were quick to judge him be there to apologize for your errors. We'll see, all the same there is a big mess to clean up. Oh, yeah one last thing, in regards to the same sex marriage. It was clear that many of my religious friends felt man & man bad, but woman & woman good as long as the women were HOT!!! Nice, what a country! "

someguyinnapa wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:32 AM:

" Joe...

You may never have given an Obama supporter any greif, but you fingers type a much worse message. In your first post here, you insinuate that someone will assinate Obama... How Dan Ross and NVR let that comment slide I will never know... But show some class and quit talking about President's deaths; it is after a FEDERAL CRIME to knowingly speak of such acts.

I, one of over 53 million people, think that it's time the REPUBLICAN war efforts come to an end an we can work on peace and our own problems here in America. Let other nations solve their own trouble and give us back our $10million/day. Every American could have been a millionaire by now if the government would have been giving us the money instead of paying for retribution for Daddy Bush's war!

DEMOCRATS RULE!

How's that endorsement now NVR? "

sdnapa wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:33 AM:

" prunepicker: i can't help but wonder if you are serious with your comment or if this is your sense of humor. do you really believe that because obama was elected president that now your kids will FOR SURE go to college? wow. "

bandit wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:35 AM:

" I think this is the absolute saddest day in American history. Nov. 4, 2008, will be remembered with the same sadness as Dec. 7, 1941 and Sept. 11, 2001. "

Paddy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:42 AM:

" I'd like to be excited but comments like prunepickers make me think that many are taking the socialist message to heart. The system was intended to allow anyone willing to go to school, work hard and be self-reliant to succeed. It appears the hands are already out and the "American dream" may be about to die:

"my kids will now go to college.... we now have a level playing field... the vineyard workers will have a chance at the American dream." "

Paddy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:47 AM:

" The enemies of the United States are dancing in the streets. "

napawriter wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:08 AM:

" Thank god! This is our victory, like PRESIDENT Obama said :) "

lovemesomerightwing wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:25 AM:

" Yay! Now puppies will stay puppies forever, rainbows everyday and no more hate! This country is not going to magically turn into a wonderful place just because Obama was elected. Please people, let's me realistic! "

Sheepdog wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:33 AM:

" I am scared to death just knowing Barak H. Obama is going to be running this country. I see him as a wolf in sheeps clothing. "

Native74 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:38 AM:

" I am very hopeful even as a conservative. It's hard not to be excited. "

marine1/1 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:52 AM:

" This country has made a big mistake and only time will tell how big it is. I feel sorry for all our service men and women having a president with no military or political experience calling the shots while we are at war in two seperate countries. The Republicans that jumped ship from the party are welcome back when this goes to the dumps. All these people that didn't think this would cause racial problems, let's see how long it takes. From interviews on T.V. last night, it shouldn't be long. I was not a fan of President Bush at all or any of the lies and deception HE HIMSELF did. I had high hopes that John McCain could help guide our military out of harms way and had the experience to deal with tough problems that came into light. If you don't think other countries are going to put us to the test now, you better think again. We will be tested more now than in the last 50 years. If you don't think Russia is a major threat again, you're wrong. Obama has little to no political experience and no military experience. He will become a puppet on a string as predicted. I can't wait to see who he hires. He is not MY president and never will be. I'm sorry for this country that he won. Not because he is black but because he has no idea what he is doing and we are at war with terrorists. We have become a big target now. God Bless The USA. "

grape wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:56 AM:

" krusty, the market has been tanking ever since it appeared Obama was going to win. It has been going up since McCain was gaining ground near the end.

I was talking about the market on Nov. 5th anyway, not Nov. 4th.

Looking at the stock markets today, they took an early tumble. "

Normbc9 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:07 AM:

" It is over and the people have spoken. Now is the time to begin to come together as a people and support those elected. In some cases rebuilding may be necessary. In others healing and new understandings are needed. The most impotant part is to look ahead, be positive and help to keep this great nation strong and get our people back to productive work. "

anticommie wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:36 AM:

" prunepicker wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:00 PM:

" I helped with Obamas campain and I expect he will reward us who helpped him. My kids will now go to college . Dont ya guys get it? our troubles are behind us.everyone we now have a level playing field. Also the vineyard workers will have a chance at the American dream. "

See this is the problem right here. What can the government do for me next? This is the continuation of a socialist country. A sad day for this nation's history. Ignorance is not always bliss. "

anticommie wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:37 AM:

" On 11/04/08 I learned to hate like a liberal. "

707jng wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:44 AM:

" I'm so happy to be a part of this historical moment. Now let's just hope that he doesn't turn out like every other president and not keep any of the promises he made to get elected :)
We just made history in this country that will forever be in our history books! That's amazing to me! "

misfit wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:54 AM:

" Joe, you are such a wise soul. It takes quite an intellectual mind to keep up with you. You are a sage...a visionary. Keep it up. "

cab e-girl wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Congratulations to Obama and his supporters. To all of you that are going to be saved now, I wish you the best. "

14obama wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:40 AM:

" To all of you disgruntled folks from the other party,I say "it's time you picked up your toys and went home". It's time you reflect on all the lies and deception that you had believed in for the past eight years. You must see it clearly in order to move on with a clean slate. There's no doubt about it ! You and I have been 'hoodwinked'. Clearly,you have been pre judging Barack Hussein Obama,haven't you ? Stop-Look-Listen "

mels69buick wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:42 AM:

" I voted for McCain, He was a candidate i had respect for and faith in, unlike our president elect B. Hussein Obama. While i am very dissapointed and saddened, the decision has been made, not by me. The world will go on and i will have my ballot in hand in 2012 to vote him out, hopefully my vote will count by then... "

anewcommenter wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:48 AM:

" It's time to move forward and see what happens. We have survived poor administrations before and we can do it again if need be. The President is not the be all and end all, of what happens in this country. Should nothing prevent Mr. Obama from taking office in January, when his supporters like the woman, who was quoted saying how she was so happy Obama was going to make sure she didn't have to pay off her own mortgage because it would be done for her through him, finds out how wrong she is, there will be a huge backlash against him. "

pernodboi wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Say it aint so Joe! (sorry, very hung over)

Knock wood! May Pres. Bush be very healthy for a while. "

valleylocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:53 AM:

" The global response says it all. It is a great day for American and the world agrees. We now can start to regain our respect throughout the world.

CONGRATULATIONS PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA!!! "

reason-ator wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:04 AM:

" I hope all the people who are over the moon feel just as ecstatic in 2012. I really do.

I don't think Obama could do much worse that what we've become used to, but it stinks that that was his platform. "

luv1mom wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:15 AM:

" C'mon Joe! McCain ran the usual smear campaign. Palin was inciting crowds with lies, etc. McCain lost soooo many votes because of the way he ran his campaign.

I for one am sooo proud that our nation stepped up and voted for Obama. I have never been this elated after a presidential election. For the first time I feel I did not vote for the lesser of two evils.

To Dwayne, PPF, Kevin, Sandra: your silence is golden. "

sammy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:18 AM:

" From the mere point of a Born Again Christian White Republican Mama,......
I sat with my 14 year old full black son and 8 year old daughter as we watched Obama's speech together and my son had tears well up in his eyes, because for the first time in his life he felt like he truly belonged, I was never more proud of my country and it's people to elect a black president. My son walked with a lighter step today when I dropped him off at school this morning. It was so beautiful to us when we saw Obama's family and Biden's Family walk out on the platform together. It is a rare moment when we see families together that looks like ours and I'm telling you, from our point of view, it was a dream come true and we felt elated. "

kevin wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Congradulations to Barack Hussein Obama and the 52% of American voters who supported him.

I can't really say I am upset with the outcome. The election of John McCain would have crippled the Republican Party for years to come. Now that we have got the nonsense out of our system of trying to be MORE like the Democrats, we can concentrate on running Conservative candidates who have a clear and compelling message. The passage of Proposition 8 in an extreme Blue State like California indicates clearly that voters do respond to Conservative ideas.

Unfortunately for the country, I think it is going to be a long 4 years. The Democrats in Congress are already out of control, proposing huge military cuts, ending our 401(k) system, enacting huge tax increases and even more expensive social programs. They can't help themselves, it's who they are. It will be interesting to see if B.O. is any better at limiting the excesses of his Party than President Bush was with the Republicans. I doubt it.

I think by 2012 the country will be quite receptive to a Republican candidate promoting improved national defense and lower taxes... "

asahigo wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:32 AM:

" You folks do understand that your vote does not matter right? Electoral votes are the only ones that count. If a candidate doesn't have 270 electoral votes, then the decision goes to the House of Representatives (president) and the Senate (Vice President). Your vote doesn't count at all. The only way your vote will count is if you vote for the representatives for your states Electoral College. "

grape wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:32 AM:

" 14obama, the current administration has protected you for the last seven years since 9/11. Your new VP has already let you know we will be attacked and they are going to appear to do the wrong thing. Isn't that nice? Seven years of safety and now before July of next year there will be an attack. "

sammy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:39 AM:

" and while I voted for McCain,...... I will pray and support my president. But the heart of a mother to see her son so touched has no measure "

yamamama wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:51 AM:

" I am very proud of my country and my fellow Americans right now. "

suze wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:41 PM:

" Glenroy - I have to inform you that it was Ronald Regan who changed our energy independence to foreign dependence. It started while Carter was in office, and he warned about this trend in his infamous 'Malaise' speech. But no one wanted to hear that they had to cut back and be frugal and Regan won the election in a landslide. As for security, well that was just simple incompetence from both sides of the aisle. I for one am pleased to see a man in office who can get things done. Lets face it, he was not a millionaire candidate, but he earned the support and finances to get the job done. We shall see how he does in the Presidency, but I'm a little more optimistic about the good ol' USA and I think our neighbors around the globe will be too. "

Two Cents wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Paddy... you said it best... the hands do already appear to be out... the cameras panning across all the people jumping up and down last night just waiting for the wealth to be redistributed to them.
Wow.. piece of the pie you say? American dream you say? Far as I knew, the American dream was coming here, working hard, being patriotic to your country, and taking care of yourself and your own kids.
Yea, what a great country.. we have no "re-defined" the American Dream. I can be jobless, have way more kids than I can afford, sit back and collect from other hard working americans..
What a great plan... "

BLACKPONY wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:06 PM:

" i always thought is would be an asian before a brotha "

funnyme wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:13 PM:

" Does this mean that ALL of those who promised to leave the good ol USA when Bush became elected president eight years ago, are coming back?

Oh wait, they never left. They've been here all along. They're the ones who elected BO this time around.

I get it.

Sad day indeed. Congratulations to all of you "winners". I must continue my mourning for a while now. "

Dhappel54 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:14 PM:

" As someone relatively new to the valley, I was relieved to see that the election results showed Napans to be much like the rest of Northern California-- friendly, liberal and tolerant and not prone to yell ing at each other. Reading the comments section of the NVR has frequently led me to wonder.
I know several biracial couples with children. As I watched Obama's speech and the crowd in Chicago, I could not help but share their sense that a whole world of possibilities had been opened for their kids. Good luck, President-elect Obama--now the real work begins. "

Paddy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:14 PM:

" Why is he a 'black' President? His mother was white and he was raised entirely in a white household by his grandmother (apparently). He's mulatto from what I can tell with stong leaning toward white based on his upbringing. His African father deserted the father when he was 2, is that why he's a 'black' President? No....

I've tried to not view the world as white or black. It's been instilled in me in my upbringing. I'm sure we'd all be shocked if we had celebrated all the 'white' presidents because of their race.

Is it any wonder our country has become so polarized? If you don't fit the special interest du jour agenda you fit some category of hated human who must be belittled, bashed, spit upon and drawn and quartered if possible.

I weep for the millions of Americans who have died for our freedoms. Our enemies dance in the streets. "

grape wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Update for Krusty...Dow Plunges 486 Points as of 1:20 pm this afternoon. "

EverE wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:21 PM:

" I'm so glad we didn't screw this up!
Now, about Prop. 8 . . . "

krusty wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:32 PM:

" I can't believe Obama won the Napa County vote almost 2 to 1. "

Paddy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:57 PM:

" Stock market has plunged 486 points... That's how we all feel about the results of this election. It's time to hold on to what's ours before it's redistruted... Watch as the markets drop and unemployment hits 15%.... thank goodness we can all look forward to equal shares of everything so we won't have to suffer.... yipee "

gatekeeper wrote on Nov 5, 2008 2:05 PM:

" I'm confused... When do we call people black and when do we call them African Americans?

The headlines say "First BLACK President". I thought that was a socially unacceptable term... but his father is actually African... oh forget it this is way too confusing. "

misfit wrote on Nov 5, 2008 2:08 PM:

" Two cents...why not keep the rhetoric to yourself. It DIDN'T WORK!!! Don't you get it? Are you just simply miserable, pointing the finger all the time, stating things that aren't true. Have fun with it but most of us, are moving on. We will be hopeful for the best for our country and not focused on negativity and hoping for the worst. Thank goodness there is a better representation than you, of what a true American is. "

Joe wrote on Nov 5, 2008 2:19 PM:

" I agree with Paddy. Why is he considered black instead of white? I know people with darker skin than Obama who are white. Even Colon Powell has very light skin color. I don't consider him black at all. Someone can be African American without being black. "

antipc wrote on Nov 5, 2008 2:20 PM:

" The Dow is a sign of our future with an Obama Presidency. Not pretty.

I was truly hoping we would avoid the first step toward Socialism. I guess the majority needs to learn the hard way.

Sad for those could see the truth. "

marine1/1 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 2:34 PM:

" Here's something for all the Obama supporters to think about. Obama was raised by his white grandparents almost all his life. Then when he became an adult and was no longer at home, he runs out and joins a church that is openly racist towards white people. I can only imagine all the bad hurtful things that were and ARE said about another race and I can see Obama sitting there for TWENTY years shaking his head in agreement with this racist pastor. Ididn't see him say that was wrong and obviously HE didn't think it was wrong until he decided to run for president. You can go to YOUTUBE and hear and see what was going on in this church that Obama attended for twenty some years. Now we have him as our President? He is not and will never be MY President. With this in mind, this IS a SAD day in American history. I especially like how Oboma tried to distance himself as quick as he could when the media started in on him. This is the guy running our country now. SAD,SAD,SAD. "

Raven wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:09 PM:

" regarding the DOW...from the AP

Analysts said investors were uneasy in advance of the Labor Department's October employment report, to be issued Friday. Economists, on average, expect a 200,000 drop in payrolls.

Late-day selling by hedge funds helped deepen the market's losses during the last hour. More selling by the funds is expected to weigh on the market ahead of a Nov. 15 cutoff for shareholders to notify fund managers of their intent to cash out investments before year-end.

as for why is is black...maybe the kenyan father and his deciding to recognize his black heritage is why.....

and I am sure glad to see everyone listened to McCain's gracious speech speech and will work together...he was a shining example for all "

Explorer wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:16 PM:

" Kevin, you more than anyone on this board crack me up.

You might want to look at the demographics of the republican party. It is predominantly comprised of 55+ years old white men and the religious right. They captured 1% of the black vote down from 3% in the last election and a very low percentage of the other minorities vote.

This is bad for them because by far the fastest growing population in this county is that minority vote that they don't capture and their old white men are dying off.

Go look at some of the republican website forums and you will quickly see the fear there.

I used to vote republican all the time. Back when they were fiscally conservative and were adamant about protecting the constitution. Remember that? Government out of our bedrooms. Separation of church and state?

The problem is because the old white men have been dying off they have had to embrace the religious right. "whack" - that is the sound of our constitution being tossed out of the window to appease those on the religious right. Then many people like me stopped voting for the party because they no longer espoused those core beliefs that many of us hold dear. And their numbers on a national level keep going down.

The reality is it can only be by democrats total bumbling a campaign (look at Gore and Kerry) or by a very strong republican running the perfect campaign can republicans win on a national level.

I really hope this changes. We would be better served as a nation with several strong parties that are competing for our interests. "

14obama wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:16 PM:

" Did anyone read what "mels69buick" said ? He said he'd have his ballot in hand in 2012 to vote him out. Now isn't That a closeminded comment ? By then,Obama could save his butt from harm,who knows ? Sounds like hate to me ! May be some pre judging (prejudice) going on there ? I sure do !
I wouldn't want to be in Mels shoes ! "

krusty wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:24 PM:

" Some of you are so cynical. The guy hasn't even taken office yet and you're already declaring this the beginning of the end of the world. Give him at least a year. "

Two Cents wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:30 PM:

" Misfit... spoken like a true democrat...
You're all about free love, free speech, etc.. that is until people say something you dont like.
And, by the way, talk about rhetoric... when did I say that I was "hoping for the worst for our country"? No, quite the opposite, I am, like everyone else, hoping that Obama can bring about the change he promises.. god knows he has his work cut out for him.
I do, however, fully resent the idea that just because I make a certain amount of money, it will be taken from me and given to those who dont. Judging by many other posts here, Im clearly not alone.
As for what it means to be a true American... you obviously have no idea. "

luv1mom wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:57 PM:

" Marine1/1 writes "He's not MY president" and "SAD SAD SAD".

You sound like a 10-year old having a tantrum because your candidate wasn't elected. Grow up. Quit being unpatriotic. Support your country. I put up with 8 years of the GOP screwing everything up, but I still supported my country and Bush was still my president. "

Paddy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Raven - a newly elected president that inspires both rich and poor will always send the stock market up following an election. This didn't happen today....

Oddly enough I received an email from my realtor in Nicaragua. Property values are plummeting after years of growth. My guess is it's due to the vast horde preparing to stream north to enjoy the fruits of hard work by many generations of Americans.

It's ironic that I would consider purchasing property in a socialist country to escape the devestation that may ensue as a result of this election.

Viva El Presidente "

Explorer wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:10 PM:

" Paddy, I'm sure the global recession combined with a global credit crunch had nothing to do with price of housing in Nicaragua going down.g

Viva la ignorance! "

Paddy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:16 PM:

" Explorer - Those "old white men", both dead and dying, did an incredible job creating a country that the whole world has spent the past 50 years trying to become a part of and emulate.

I wouldn't crow too loudly because it may all come crashing down around you and your family (if you have one) and not one person will be able to tell the difference between the "new america" and every other third-world country. I'm sure you'll stand shoeless and filthy blaming the "old white men" who deserted the ship when they were needed most.

I'm white; not that old and still having future "old white men" just to help keep it real. You're welcome. "

pianocrazee wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:16 PM:

" suze wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:57 PM:
" I'm just so relieved, but he is inheriting one hell of a mess - and that is just the stuff we know about. "

Yeah, Bush is like "HAHA I GAMBLED AND DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE BOOKS!"

then he lights the white house on fire & walks away.

...Awww... all the rich people are crying cause McSame didn't win and they have to actually pay proportionate taxes now...

I mean when Obama's president. He's only been elected we still have two more months for more Bushisms. "

Joe wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:17 PM:

" Obama is not the next president yet. Once he is innagurated he will be the 43rd person to serve as president of the USA. He needs to be innagurated first though. "

fedupinnapa wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Interesting with all the mudslinging here. Claiming they are conservative republicans and liberal democrats exc… Take a moment to look back at what your parties have been doing for the last 15-20 years and you might find that your beliefs and your parts actions are no longer what they once seemed to be. I would love to see some smaller government but I have yet to see a Democrat or Republican that could bring it all they do is SPEND SPEND SPEND be it on war, healthcare, tax cuts or infrastructure before you claim that one candidate is going to drive us into a hole with spending please show me one that was elected and did not spend it all. Stop the spending and frivolous laws stop sticking nose in every country’s business when ours is falling apart in front of us. "

marine1/1 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:22 PM:

" luv1mom ; I stand behind what I said. I'm horrified to find what will become of alot of my friends and Napan's that are serving in uniform and are over sea's right now doing what needs to be done. A President elect with little political experience and nomilitary experience with troops over sea's in a combat situation. He better hire some darn good advisers to help him through this mess. Our men and women are out there on the front lines keeping us safe with a man in charge with no experience on how to proceed. My thoughts and prayers are with them and I talked to one this morning via a satelite phone and there are many very angry soldiers over last night outcome. Many feel the same as me and they can't be here to speak right now. We are a bigger target now for many nations that hate us and I hope we all remain safe during this very trying time that will soon be upon us. "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:48 PM:

" Looks like some people are already getting the ODS, Obama Derangement Syndrome. Everything is already his fault, even Nicaraguan real estate. Haha get real people, your guy lost. It's over. It's time to be a patriot and support your country.

Also if you agreed with Bush in 2004 that he received a mandate on election day then good luck arguing that Obama didn't considering he won a greater percentage of the vote. "

Explorer wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:26 PM:

" Paddy, You forgot to mention all the women, people of African, Asian Central and South American descent when you were so busy applauding those white men. Everyone in this country has had a hand in making it what it is today.

Have you ever travelled? Many of the other industrialized nations abhor how we run our country. As a matter of fact the model that is routinely followed around the world for fledgling democracies is the European model not ours. I don’t know of one country that has had a choice and picked out model.

I'm in my mid 40's and could have retired about 5 years ago. I'll pay an extra $5k or so under Obama's tax plan but at this point I'll take the clean air, trees and clean beaches, the ability to travel the world again and be welcome over that $5k.

You see, I feel a lot like Obama. Two of my four grandparents were born in Europe (one fled the Nazi's) and the other two were 2nd generation Americans. I don't come from a wealthy family but I was taught that anything is possible with hard work and dedication. I started a business 12 years ago and for the first 5 years or so I routinely worked 80 hour weeks. We are now the largest in Napa County and expanding rapidly.

My family will never be shoeless but I thank you for your concern. "

Kevin Eggers wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:31 PM:

" It was economist Ludwig Von Mises, who said in his book, “Economic Policy”, written in 1957, regarding socialism: “The so-called liberals of today have the very popular idea that freedom of speech, of thought, of the press, freedom of religion, freedom from imprisonment without trial—that all these freedoms can be preserved in the absence of what is called economic freedom. They do not realize that, in a system where there is no market, where government directs everything, all those other freedoms are illusionary, even if they are made into laws and written up in Constitutions.”

Obama and McCain both voted for this socialist bailout—the economists that I get my information from, saw the vote for this bailout as a blow to freedom, because of the immense control government gained over our financial institutions. I’m hoping that once Obama starts redistributing the wealth, Americans will wake up. "

krusty wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:43 PM:

" marine 1/1, it's not like we have never had a president with military experience in the time of war. Even Bush had what can hardly be considered military experience.

Obama knows he doesn't have the answer to everything. That's why he will surround himself with people who are intelligent and know what they're doing. Obama will listen to what others have to say and consider their opinion, especially when it's a decision as important as war. One of Bush's faults is that he was "the decider". Others opinions didn't carry much weight with him. He did what he thought was right.

I'm happy we finally have an intelligent man who understands compromise and values the opinions of others to lead our country. "

newshound wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:03 PM:

" What an incredible night it was. It was magical. I can't wait for January 20th! "

sweetgrape14 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:46 PM:

" YAY FOR OBAMA

At least the US and California got one major thing right this election day!!

I am proud to call him my President elect!!!

This is a proud moment in American history!!! "

Heaphy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:50 PM:

" Obama's victory is far more decisive in terms of both popular vote and electoral vote than Bush's wins in 2000 or 2004. To those who criticize Obama's brief resume and lack of miltary experience, please read a biography of Abraham Lincoln. Obama is more experienced than Lincoln was in 1860. Obama has the temperament, intellect and leadership skills to be a great president like Lincoln. If the Republicans don't want to end up as a "rural, regional, white" party, as a departing Republican congressman said today, they should do some real soul searching. Real patriots of all parties will offer maximum possible support to President Obama, consistent with their political principles.
- Jim Heaphy "

dizzy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:19 PM:

" I was very impressed with McCains gracious concession speech last night. He spoke of moving forward and working with the new administration.

I am disappointed by the posts that are already trying to lay blame at Obama's feet.
The stock market decline today -
The stock market has been in turmoil for weeks....given the upcoming unemployment and earnings results, no wonder their is still uncertainty.
Real estate values in Nicaragua - really?? So now a man who was elected 25 hours ago is responsible for declining property values in South America. Really?
Obama is not going to be a miracle worker and he is not going to wave a magic wand and fix our economy, our international reputation, our wars.
But I do believe he will surround himself with others who have the experience and knowledge that will compliment his skillset to start addressing the problems this nation faces. I also believe he will listen to proponents either arguement and try to find a compromise.
Hopefully every republican can be as gracious and admirable as John McCain. Our country is facing issues that go beyond party lines and we might always not agree on how to resolve them, but we should always stand united. "

krusty wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:01 PM:

" I stubbed my toe this morning. Yes, it was Obama's fault. "

Paddy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:45 PM:

" Explorer and dizzy - I was just making a statement about an email I coincidentally received today from my realtor in Nicaragua. I added additional speculation, granted, of why he may have happened to send it out today of all days. I hope I'm wrong. I really am.

Explorer, I appreciate your candor. I've traveled to five continents, 38 countries. I've actually spent a good percentage of my life in other countries in the 70's and 80's. I spent 10 months in Africa living in hammocks and dirt floors with very poor locals. I have a perspective grounded in experience. I'm fluent in French and Spanish and English and graduated from Berkeley with a degree in Anthropology. I'm not ignorant as you've called me.

I may have a different view of life and I hope Obama is all that you hope he is. I really do. I'm just skeptical based on what I know...or don't know.

Time will tell, and we shall see, if Barack Obama is who we need. My country depends on it. "

Joe wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:46 PM:

" I have heard many people on the news talk about how by Obama winning it will give hope to African Americans in countries all over the world. I am not trying to be mean spirited I just want to educate people. Black people in other countries are not called African Americans. The word African is not even used. In England they would just be called Englishmen. I hope that someday black people in the USA will just be called Americans. "

thinktwice wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:04 AM:

" There are also people celebrating all over the world today because America got it right. "

TINAMAC wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:47 AM:

" I had a few coworkers asking me Tuesday if there were going to be layoffs this month at my place of employment- I answered with conviction, if you don't .. you will certainly be laid off when our employer gets hit with unbearable payroll taxes- he isn't going to be the one to take the hit... WE WILL, I just hope hope hope I'm wrong, for the sake of my son and all the other single moms WORKING FOR A LIVING, and not LAZING AT HOME ON AFDC AND IN SUBSIDISED HOUSING, COLLECTING CHILD SUPPORT AND ALIMONEY DRIVING BMWS. (there I had to vent).

I think losing graciously and trying to look forward with HOPE, if you believe in your cause, no need to stop now, four years and we will be back at the poles in droves.

I wanted Mccain to win... I'm disapointed, but I'm not going to put down the people that voted for Obama, I feel the bickering just makes the lot of you look hopeless and rude.

Hmmm... maybe it's time for that college education I never could afford --- ok who wants to cut me a check ? Thanks Mr Obama, you are a swell guy.

alas,

PLEASE God Bless Our Great Country " "

Napa_Citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:16 AM:

" I think Obama and his administration will blame Bush for his failures in the next 4 years. Its always easier to blame the other guy..

I think its very scary the situation we have created with a Democratic president, senate and congress.

Joe wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:46 PM -
"In England they would just be called Englishmen. I hope that someday black people in the USA will just be called Americans. "

Joe I couldnt agree more. People need to stop hiding behind "color" "race" and "ethnicity"! America is a melting pot.... We are not black, white, hispanic - we are HUMAN BEINGS! I hope we all get so mixed up one day that no one knows what ethnicity or country one comes from. I cant wait for the day when a person is simply hired and fired on their own experience, intelligence, and choices.....

I cant say I will "support" this President - yet. I love my country - always have. I hope and pray that Obama has the best of intentions, and is successful in his endeavor to make this a better country Because I want that for everyone here. I will watch, listen, and take action when appropriate to fight for the things I believe in no matter who holds the position.

Politicians need to get back to the grass roots of listening to the people - & doing the will of the people - not their own agendas....period. From the bottom all the way to the top positions... "

14obama wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:16 AM:

" Listen up,Republicans ! There are more important things in life than money !! Look how greed and corruption has permeated our lives in the last eight years ! LOOK at it and don't allow it to continue ! See what you have inside that you can share with others. Life is very short,so,don't lose your soul while rollin in the dough ! Give up the pre judging which is predudice !
"krusty" I have to correct you when you say that Bush was a 'decider'. Deep in my bones,I feel that he wasn't capable of 'deciding' at all. It was always Cheney and Rove. It will be interesting to see where these skunks go after all the damage they've done. I hear Bush has a place in Paraguay to hide out at. I wonder if justice will be served on this past administration or will they be allowed to ride off into the sunset. "

misfit wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Well twocents...you don't seem to care about my money being used to subsidize tax breaks for the wealthy. That plan did not work now did it? That money was supposed to trickle down, to create jobs, to create opportunity, to create a strong economy. Not to be squandered away on bad investments and huge, unearned bonuses. All it did was pad the pockets of the rich so that they could play with that extra cash in order to grab more of the pie for themselves. I love how they speak of the "Risk" that the wealthy take when they start a business or when they invest their "Hard earned" money. I ask, What risk? The Republican administration came up with a great plan to eliminate any risk that these crooks took. Sounds like easy money to me. I could care less about you paying more taxes. "

omnidra wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:40 AM:

" Did anyone else see the new SouthPark episode last night? Obama as a diamond thief. haha that was great!

and oh,

tick, tock, tick, tock

No one will have to worry about voting in 2012 because the world as we know it will no longer exist, as predicted by the Myans. Im sure Mr. Barack Hussien Obama has somthing to do with this, Iguess we will see what happens.

A wolf in sheeps clothing, I like that, fits perfect.

Farewell USA "

omnidra wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:51 AM:

" Oh and another thing.......

Hillary wouldhave been a great president, if she had kept going Im sure she would have won, although it would have been close.

If the world dosnt end in 2012, id like to see her go for presidency again!

GO HILLARY! "

mels69buick wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:25 AM:

" 14Obama...Your comments that my remarks were closed-minded seem to pail in comparison to your over-use of exclamation marks... No matter what your views, shouting is never the way to get people to listen, only cover their ears from the noise. I will state my opinions as freely as you. "Wouldnt want to be in my shoes" indeed. What size shoes do you wear?? "

glenroy wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:15 PM:

" John Richards is spot on...the irony is the cause of our economic collapse is directly related to Democrat policy failures and nepotistic cronyism… "

eyeamme wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:05 PM:

" just so everyone is clear, the dow plunging and the economy in the state it is in is not because of Obama. It's been like this for the past month and a half, where have you all been? oh, that's right. Your heads were stuck up your rears. Obama has not been in this position long enough to even get a glimpse of how things will be begin to turn. I voted for Obama, but I know that just because he was elected, things wont miraculously clear up over night. You can blame Bush for the situation we are in at the moment. And John Richards, McCain would have lost whether or not the economy was in the hole. I did like the comment though about how Bush could die and Cheney could become the 44th president (it makes sense, but it wont stop people from calling Obama president). I am glad Obama is our new president-elect. Can't wait for inauguration! "

Raven wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM:

" glenroy...you dont the credit default market had a little bit to do with it....and the greed of thye investment community?

glad to see some many of our conservative brethen so filled with optimism.....and the spirit of support to see if maybe something different than the status quo might work.... "

srnitnw wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:28 PM:

" I'll be honest, it was my hope that McCain would be our next president. That said, Obama has been elected and no matter what my reasoning was for wanting the other candidate, he deserves my support until a different person is elected. What's done is done and if we are to accomplish anything as a country, we must now give him the benefit of the doubt. "

antipc wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:30 PM:

" The market is reacting to the future. People are wisely moving thier money because they believe Obamas policies are contray to what should be done. "

gateonfire wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Now we can celebrate the destruction of democracy and the introduction of socialism. We can take money away from the working American and give even more to those who make welfare a way of life. We can look forward to more illegals taking the jobs that barely exist and living on welfare. I wonder if BHO speaks Spanish? Perhaps this is the beginning of the reign of the anti-Christ. "

gateonfire wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:00 PM:

" It is funny that we place our troops in other countries to help them become democratic, while at home we are becoming something unrecognizable in democratic terms. We need to be afraid, be very afraid. Obama is something we are not ready for and it has nothing to do with race. Arm yourselves and lock your doors! "

rosie wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:42 PM:

" Good for you, gateonfire! This is a sad and frightening thing for those of us who believe in FREEDOM! To look at the man who said that 9/11 was this nation's fault and think he will "lead" our country is too scary to contempate. We had the opportunity to make sure this did not happen, but even though we tried our hardest to elect an honest man and woman to lead our nation in these perilous times, it was stolen from us. Stolen in the name of change by the puppet of the liberal left, who took illegal campaign money from foreigners, who may not be a natural born citizen, who accepts and then lies about the support of men and groups who want to overthrow our government, a man who associates with known felons...it goes on and on. We have a President NOW who has been a great leader for 8 years, but people seem to be ignorant and blinded by the leftist news media. Even so-called public broadcasting is left leaning (no more contributions from us!). An experienced, honorable and honest John McCain graciously conceded a loss when he should have been celebrating victory, and asked us to support our next president. No, never...we hold our freedoms too dear. We will work to protect the freedoms that too many have died to give us. The one who is forming a new government should never be allowed to lead the USA. The one who is already working to steal the very rights that our Constitution guarantees does not deserve our support. Join a watchdog group and protect your freedom before it's too late...but be aware that you may be watched. "

meow wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:55 PM:

" I am glad its over but not happy with the results Obama "

Two Cents wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:26 PM:

" misfit.. of course you dont care about other people having to pay more taxes, as long as you're not, thats all that matters, right?
Its all good as long as you still get your free lunch, so to speak. Well, there's no such thing as a free lunch, honey, someone's paying for it.
Gateonfire, you said it right.. .we know darn well where a good chunk of that moneys going to be redistributed to.
Sad, indeed. "

pharper wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:27 PM:

" I cried as soon as I found that Barack had been elected president. I've never been prouder of my country than I was that night, and I think that November 4, 2008 ranks right up there with one of the best nights of my life, characterized by flurries of text messages and jubilant phone calls with friends celebrating his victory.

What an amazing nation we live in where we can elect an African American president after years of prejudice. We have overcome, and we will overcome. It's time now for us all to come together, liberal and conservative, to protect and keep our country the amazing nation it is.

I and other New Tech High students have the opportunity to attend the inauguration, and we're all very excited to see this once-in-a-lifetime event, no matter what our politics are. I can’t wait until January!

Go Barack! "

Two Cents wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:56 PM:

" pharper, I think you're right. I personally didnt vote for Obama, but now that the decision has been made, I think we all need to be patriotic Americans and respect and support our new president.
Ive never thought it to be right when people downgrade and disrespect our president of our country. He has lots of difficult decisions to make and you cant please all of the people all of the time.
Maybe Obama will surprise all of us who are sceptical of his lack of experience. And maybe he wont follow through on his redistribution plans (he is a politician after all! they tend to not follow through on things!)
So, maybe the next 4 years will bring great things. If so, I would have no problem re-electing him next time.
Only time will tell.... "

HaveAtIt3 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:11 PM:

" I think everyone needs to calm the heck down. People are so ignorat who cares if hes black! John McCain would have kept us in the same hell hole we are in now. Give Obama a chance before you start judging him just by his skin. YA OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Raven wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:39 PM:

" actually antipc, every analyst i heard today says the market is reacting to lousy earnings reports and the likelihood that tomorrow unemployment will continue the trend of more people out of a job....not to mention the Big three auto companies, US that is, went hat in hand to Washington seeking 25 billion in loans "

Joe wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:43 PM:

" Haveatit3,
Who is judging him by the color of his skin? Who cares that he is half white half black? I didn't see any posts mentioning his skin color. "

Duck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:48 PM:

" Finally an election that I was not ashamed of. Hail to the Chief! "

Joe wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:48 PM:

" Does anybody else feel uncomfortable calling a black American a African American? I feel like it is rude. My ancestors came here from Germany just three generations ago. I am never reffered to as a European American. Many black Americans Ancestors have been here for hundreds of years, yet they are still called Africans before Americans. Africa is not even a nation it is a continent. Also, all people from Africa aren't black, so it really doesn't make much sense. I could understand if someone was raised in Kenya and then moved to the USA not being called a American. But why not call them a Kenyan American. Or a Chad American for somebody coming from Chad? "

Raven wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:02 AM:

" get that out of your system, gateonfire?.....any calamity you dont want to blame on Obama? "

mominapa wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:06 AM:

" Personally I am tickled that this guy got the big chair. I think he holds hope for the future for all of us. Of course he isn't perfect - as far as I know there was only one perfect person ever born and they crucified Him. Let's hope for the best for Obama.

Ok, I'm going to say it if no one else will. Those of you who didn't vote for him voted for the white guy. You withheld your vote for Obama because he's black and you should be ashamed of yourselves. You know who you are and you can't deny it. If you did I wouldn't believe you because this man is clearly the one for the job, the one who can pull us out of this 8 year abyss we have endured for what? The egos of small minded men who value vengence more than freedom. I'm disgusted with all of you but elated with the outcome. "

Sandra wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:26 AM:

" I've read most of the comments here, after reading the Palin page....
Want to know what I noticed? Most of the posters on the losing side, while not happy, have been fairly gracious while posting on the Obama page, with a few exceptions. This comment from misfit :
" Two cents...why not keep the rhetoric to yourself. It DIDN'T WORK!!! Don't you get it? Are you just simply miserable, pointing the finger all the time, stating things that aren't true. Have fun with it but most of us, are moving on.", particularly struck me.
Go to the Palin page and see just how gracious the winners are. Two cents is mild in comparison. It is pretty ugly at the Palin page from the vast majority of sore winners. It really makes me wonder at the smallness of people in the world. "

jwk wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:49 AM:

" Business's and Corporations are "Obama Proofing their Business and Income" With his Wealth Sharing idea (Socialism) and his proposed Tax Increases, As alot of us told you, YOU Ain't seen nothin yet" I know of three other Business owner much larger than myself that are cutting back and will be laying off people. I'll be laying off 20 to 30 % of my work force as well. I refuse to pay any more Income Taxes or Increased Payroll taxes and especially Capital Gains Taxes. Not to mention the ridiculous notion of forcing us to pay for Medical Benefits for the Unemployed, Unwilling and Illegals..PLUS, Can't wait to see the faces on some of you folks that Voted for this Phony when you hit the 65% tax bracket and lose your 401K's. Elections DO matter. I'll be watching as you hit the unemployment lines. Seen the Stock Market since The Messiah was elected? The Obama recession is in FULL Swing. A wise man once said" Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it!!! Hail to Poverty, China or Allah. That's what you get now...He has been congratulated by The Nut Job from IRAN and Venezuala!Nice Job Ignorant ones!! OK, AND He's Arab NOT Black!! "

srnitnw wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Two Cents, I whole heartedly agree.

Mominapa, respectfully, you are wrong to lump everyone who did not vote for Obama into the category of racist. Personally, I think it is wonderful that such a large majority of our country voted for a man of color in this position. The matter of racial prejudice has always been a sore spot for me and we can indeed be proud of this election. However, I dod not vote for McCain because Obama was black and I do not appreciate having my vote dismissed simply because my informed opinion did not lead to the same conclusion as yours. This may offend some people, but I group up in LA, with minorities truly struggling with the race issue, and if I were to make a decision totally based on the skin color of the candidates I would not have been able to choose. Because when it comes right down to it, I feel the color of Obama's skin color is only on the surface - he was not raised in a minority environment and does not have the experience in that area that helps me to believe he can fully understand what this group of the population experiences. He may feels closer to the subject because of his heritage, but he cannot truly empathize. So long story short, skin color had absolutely nothing to do with my vote, and I don't believe that America is so shallow that everybody else voted based on skin color either.

I also didn't base my choice on our current president. McCain is not George Bush any more than Obama is the Rev, Wright.

These arguments strike me as ignorant. "

gateonfire wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:21 AM:

" JWK....we are on the same page. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO! Raven...I have not blamed him yet, but I will when he fails as a leader who has no experience, when he introduces our democracy to socialism, when he fails our soldiers with his lack of military knowledge. In four years when he has failed our country he will scapeboat Bush as those people who blame Bush for the failings of the Clinton administrqtion. I too, am greatly disappointed in the last 4 years of the Bush administrqtion, backed by qa democratic majority. Osama Obama cannot be blamed for anything yet except leading the country astray. "

gateonfire wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Technically he is Mulato, but where exactly is his birth certificate? "

srnitnw wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Hawaii officials have verified his birth certificate. What is the point of these desperate cries? "

reason-ator wrote on Nov 7, 2008 10:55 AM:

" No matter what the outcome of this election-of-lousy-choices, I knew ahead of time we would need to support our new President. Now.

McCain or Obama is over. It's about America now. It's not gonna be easy, and we can definitely make it worse by worrying more about the past than the future. "

mominapa wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:33 AM:

" What is this Osama Obama thing you keep doing, gateonfire? That is very unfair and intolerant. Do you think he is a Muslim? If he were a Muslim he would be proud of it not hide it to become president so he can ruin this country. I am so sick of these conspiracy theories just because the man is black. Did you know that there is one Muslim congressman? And, so what if he was a Muslim anyway? Does that, in itself make him a terrorist? His father was a Muslim - he can take no responsibility for that. His mother, wife and the rest of his family are Christians and so is he. You are ridiculous.

To srnitnw: No, I'm not ignorant, just angry that people are not admitting what they are really feeling. Otherwise, there would be no question as to whether he can do this job. I personally believe he can, black, white or green he is head and shoulders above our present administration in all aspects, but most especially INTELLIGENCE. Obama is such a ray of hope after 4 very dark and depressing years in Washington. As far as socialism is concerned, I seriously doubt that claim that has been spewed by Republicans for the last 22 months. Give the guy a chance. He has a good education, a great family and a good attitude for what he sees as the future of America. Would Caribou Barbie have suited you better? I supported Hillary until she lost the nomination, but I wouldn't support just any woman, especially Palin. Obama is smart, Bush is not smart. Simple as that. Ray of sunshine. "

mominapa wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:37 AM:

" greysack, I don't understand your post at all. Why don't you have to get a job. Do you think that someone who understands hard work as Obama does is going to let you be on the dole and collect welfare just because you don't want to work. You have skills. You can obviously use a computer. Get a job. The rest of us who have pride in ourselves work for what we get. You will be glad when I am not the one who has to determine your eligibility for public funds. You would be turned down by me. "

napacurious wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Obama has some big shoes to fill considering half this country expects Him to save the world. That seems realistic.

Hold on to your pocketbooks! "

gateonfire wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:55 AM:

" WOW! who said anything about being Muslim? He has terrorist ties and plans on "sitting down" with known terrorists. That is the implication. Who cares if he is black, white, or purple? People that vote for someone because of race or gender are very ignorant people indeed. The man is simply not qualified or ready to be the leader of our "democratic" country. What many f you imply is thatg we should be proud of the race of our president elect, when in fact that is not an intelligent reason for voting. Neither is religion or gender. People need to listen to what this man is saying, it is frightening.tzjz2 "

gateonfire wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:58 AM:

" This country has elected in the words of Bill CLinton, a "Chicago Thug." "

14obama wrote on Nov 7, 2008 12:06 PM:

" You Republican Capitalists are nuts. All you ever think about is your damned money. Have you shared any of it.lately ? You think life doesn't end. You chase money til your dying day. What are you thinking ? I've watched you all of my life,putting away your winnings,only to see you missing out on the rewarding stuff in life. You chase imaginary happiness when it's composed only of selfrighteous gain. Were you born to chase money ? "

Republicrat wrote on Nov 7, 2008 12:09 PM:

" I voted for McCain because of Obama’s thin resume, lack of experience in international affairs, questionable associations, tax policies etc. But the electorate has spoken and Barak Obama is our next president. I love my country more than I
love either political party so I will reserve judgment and offer my full support to my president. If he proves me wrong and does a good job, then I’ll vote to re-elect him in 2012. He has a lot of work to do on some very tough issues and I wish him well. It is important to remember that everything wrong with this country is not George Bush’s fault. There is plenty of blame to go around – both Democrat and Republican. We need to turn the page and move on without name calling and finger pointing. As Mr. McCain said “now is not the time to fix the blame – now is the time to fix the problem”. Good luck Mr. President – you’re going to need it "

morty1995 wrote on Nov 7, 2008 12:26 PM:

" I have never been so embaressed to be a American, all of this first balck president stuff? he is not black, he is melato... if thats how you spell it, things have to get worse before they can get better so he we go lets try to ride out the worse we have 1,460 days "

Raven wrote on Nov 7, 2008 1:42 PM:

" nicely said Republicrat...

and Sandra have you taken a look at the venom spewed after the election on some of the other threads...it is also clear to me that a minority has no intention of trying to see if there is a chance Obama's policies may work...

take a look at jwk's post as an example of the doom and gloom sayers... "

napaoldguy wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:35 PM:

" all I can say is there goes the neighborhood "

cab e-girl wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:13 PM:

" Republicrat: I agree with you whole heartedly. My country is much more important than my political affiliations. Our country is in a mess now because both political parties have failed us. I don't believe Obama was the right choice, but now that he is, it is time to start focusing on cleaning up the financial mess that both parties left us with and focusing on the future and freedoms of our children and their children. "

antipc wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:37 PM:

" I believe jwk is correct & a year from now it will be so obvious even to the starry-eyed folks that voted for Obama.

I'm already working on protecting my interests & finances from Obama, Pelosi, Reid, & Arnold. They will not get my 401k & they will not get 40% of my income. "

Explorer wrote on Nov 7, 2008 4:38 PM:

" If anyone ever needs proof of the pathetic state of our educational system they only have to read this board.

What ever happened to logical arguments?

You just look like idiots when you spout nonsense.

I recognize a 300 word limit and the inability to post links makes it difficult to post sources, but you could try at least.

Imagine if we were all making logical arguments with proof of what we claim. We might actually learn something..... "

cab e-girl wrote on Nov 7, 2008 5:59 PM:

" For those of you who don't know what antipc is talking in reference to his 401K, you need to take a close look at what Congress is considering. Theresa Ghilarducci director of the Schwartz Center for Economic Policy Analysis at the New School for Social Research is encouraging Congress to take over 401K's and IRA's and replace them with a "Guaranteed Retirement Account." Basically the government would take over your 401K or IRA and the government would give you the value of what it was in August 2008. The "worker" would then contribute a maximum of 5% to your account. The government would give you a whopping $600 annually and guaranteed 3% rate of return. The current Social Security System would run this. By the way, when you die your heirs would only receive 50% of its value. It would behoove all Americans to read all of her testimony to Congress, which you can download at USA News and World Report.
This should scare any American who has saved for their retirement through the government sanctioned 401K and IRA. Incidentally, Hugo Chavez just took over the “workers” retirements in Venezuela as well.

Sounds a bit communistic to me. Time to contact your senators and representatives. "

John Richards wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:46 PM:

" valleylocal wrote : "The global response says it all."

Right...
When one of the top bad guys in this world, the president of Iran, congratulates Obama on his win, it is time to consider if we made a mistake.
Oh, and I wonder why the world's stock markets suddenly went downhill after Obama's win? Shouldn't they have faith in Obama's promises to fix everything? "

John Richards wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:12 PM:

" eyeamme, we are not blaming Obama for the sudden collapse of the financial/economic system. Al I am saying is that if that event had been postponed by three months, McCain would have won the election. The polls in September showed McCain pulling up even with Obama. "

John Richards wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:22 PM:

" mominapa, you mistake Obama's oratorical glibness for intelligence. But time will tell. I'm willing to give the guy a chance. I voted for McCain, but I will respect Obama as my next president. I will not be like the libs who refuse to acknowledge and respect Bush as their president and commander in chief. "

antipc wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:38 PM:

" Cab e-girl,

You're just boring them with reality that they're not willing to research. "

Raven wrote on Nov 7, 2008 10:45 PM:

" and I might say that none of it has even begun to approach the legislative stage.... "

smiley707 wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:23 PM:

" I am so happy Obama won! i believe we need change!:) "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:10 AM:

" It's kind of 'intriguing' that the Republican-enablers who have spent years complaining about the lack of patriotism and general traitorishness of those who complained about Mr. Bungle's presidency are...

Now...

Wait for it...

COMPLAINING about Barack Obama's presidency -- which has not even started yet!?!

See... complaining about a president is only OK if you are a Republican!

Of course, adults know that complaining about a president is second nature to Americans and whether you complain about Mr. Bungle or Mr. Obama-sama you are still a patriotic American.

But it is amusing to watch just how fast the Republican-enablers respond to a change of KoolAide from the GOP pumping stations.

We are in for hard economic times because of the Wall Street Weasels who merrily sold toxic financial products to banks all over the world. There are going to be lots of 'solutions' pushed in Washington. They will not work until investment banking is again separated from commercial and community banking, and some criminals go to prison.

~Ruff "

Sandra wrote on Nov 8, 2008 7:56 AM:

" Raven,
I have not read all of the other threads. I am sick to death of this 2 year election. Not so much because of the candidates, but because ofthe supporters. It really saddens me to see such a large bunch of small minded whiners.....Yes, they are on both sides. But, somehow you would think the winning side would be so full of joy, that they would find it in their hearts to be less "Grinch" like. I have said the candidate does not scare me, but the supporters do...well this is why. Fanatics...
I agree whole heartedly with Republicrat's post of "Nov 7, 2008 12:09 PM." "

Raven wrote on Nov 8, 2008 9:32 AM:

" that was an excellent post Republicrat made, Sandra. "

14obama wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:56 AM:

" Boy 0h Boy ! You really have a lot to learn '1995' ! "

14obama wrote on Nov 8, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Hey 'Repulicrat', yes it is Geo.Bush's fault ! He and the others should be tried and when convicted,spend the rest of their lives in prison. Afterall,it's our American way. Do you feel they should ride off into the sunset ? "

napanabroad wrote on Nov 8, 2008 1:40 PM:

" Obama's "change" reminds me of a conversation I had with a couple from Zimbabwe a few weeks back after they fled Mugabe's Zimbabwe and his call for "change" and his promise to "right all the wrongs". The country collapsed shortly thereafter. The couple would never have left and called it paradise, now it is shambles.

Same as South Africa after apartheid (and currently), where "change" has brought race riots, corruption, ineptitude and educated people fleeing to America, Dubai, London and Australia because of reverse racism in record numbers.

Opinion pieces that show cross out White in White House and write Black are especially troubling. I am wondering if we aren't headed down the same path. But where will Americans flee to if "change" isn't positive?

I spent time with some former CIS friends a few days before the election. All have a very negative view of Obama after listening to him and living under the decay and corruption of socialism/communism. His "spread the wealth" line was from Karl Marx and struck a distinct cord.

On a side note, foreign investors, especially cash rich Gulf states are fleeing US assets because of Obama, the 10% drop was sovereign wealth funds dumping assets. Nobody here wants to own US stocks as we have seen all negative signs from Obama so far. For the first time in my life I really fear for my country's future. "

Joe wrote on Nov 8, 2008 5:57 PM:

" Everyone says that the election of two thousand and eight is the most important in our lifetime. However, I think the election in the year one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight was more important due to the war in Vietnam. "

Raven wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:34 PM:

" Comparing a tyranny like Zimbabwe, and the changes in South Africa has no bearing to the peaceful changeover that takes place in the US after each election is specious at best. "

napanabroad wrote on Nov 9, 2008 2:29 PM:

" So far since Nov. 4, Mr. O and the Dems have proposed 1.) nationalizing 401k's 2.) Giving Syria a greater say in our foreign policy 3.) Abolishing the secret vote for union members and forcing employers to abide by labor contracts handed down by a government appointed arbitrator 4.) creating a $100bn work program run by the construction unions and 5.) outlawing oil drilling just approved

This is insane!!! "

reader wrote on Nov 9, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Sandra: Small minded whiners? Have you looked in the mirror lately?

Those of us not whinning are celebrating!! As I said in another post, we are so giddy and happy we just can't help it!! "

14obama wrote on Nov 9, 2008 3:49 PM:

" "napanabroad"
With a hateful heart like yours,it will do you good to go into a 'worry'mode.
Tell the folks how you come up with these crazy stories ! "

non partisan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 3:58 PM:

" I pledge allegiance to the logo Obama created,
50 nations under Allah,
Divided and destroyed by fools who expected immediate change. "

marikavl wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:28 PM:

" My last two e-mails did not got showing!? Why?
But anyway!" 14obama" you are either very stupid or a communist!
Yes with obama socializm is coming!!!!
Tell me why shjould i have to share my money for what I worked for very hard all my life with someone who is a lazy bumm!When I came to this country ( legally , emmigrated from a communist country)I did not even speak eanglish!
I started out working pealing potatoes.
My latre husband was a practising doctor in our old country but he had to start all over( naturally ) wen we came. Remind You we did NOT speak english. ) NMow you think I want to share whAT i HAVE? wrong!! i WILL BE HAPPY TO GIVE WHO NEEDS IT. bUT not TO SHARE THE WEALTH!!!! "

eyeamme wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:31 PM:

" I'm glad Obama won. He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, he's still building up his administration, he is still being briefed, there is a lot that needs to be done before he can take the office. Lets wait at least a year to blame him for anything.

The economy has been in the hole for a while now so there is no justification in stating the fact that the DOW plunged so much the day after elections. Yes, there could potentially be a rise due to the hope factor, but frankly, people are still struggling with the economy the way it is. They aren't ready to start buying again until they've gotten themselves out of the whole they are in already.

Patience America, patience... "

Raven wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:57 PM:

" I would like to see anything since Nov. 4 where Obama has said he supports any of those measures, napanabroad....where was this said..what publication or web site...when? I watched his only press conference on Friday and there was nothing there, so when and where? You are fighting the election over again... "

anticommie wrote on Nov 9, 2008 5:35 PM:

" reader:

While you are celebrating, and being "giddy" and "happy", the ones in charge are doing whatever they can to gain greater control over this nation. We on the right will continue to fight this socialist movement while you have your cake and eat it too. "

Joe wrote on Nov 9, 2008 6:31 PM:

" Obama is not going to end the war in Iraq once he is briefed on the reasons why the USA and many other countries are there. The Clinton administration started planning an invasion in 1998 due to all the terrorist attacks on US personnel in the 90's and Saddam Hussein's failure to comply with the cease fire agreement in 1991 that ended the Gulf War.
People think they were lied to because no weapons of Mass Destruction were found. Regardless, there was still enough cause to invade even if 9/11 never happened. They had missiles that were capable of being launched into US cities from ships in the Atlantic. That was not allowed. They were importing huge amounts of uranium from Niger that could be used in bombs.
President Bush has done a good job to keep us safe. Now with Iran and Russia threatening to use nuclear weapons there is no way Obama will pull out. This war in the middle east is just beginning. Obama is going to have to deal with Iran as well as Pakistan if he plans on finding Bin Laden. "

misfit wrote on Nov 9, 2008 6:34 PM:

" marikavl...Good for you. However, I bet the house you purchased for 29,000 and is now worth 2 million helped a lot. That sounds like a lot of hard work alright. How about Prop 13, which basically froze your property taxes at very low levels helping as well. How nice for you that everyone else who hasn't had the advantage of Prop 13 is paying the bulk of the property taxes. I for one resent that. That my property taxes are going toward the services that others whose homes are worth more and who pay less, take the same advantage of. How about that? "

Raven wrote on Nov 9, 2008 7:15 PM:

" btw, napanabroad......I am assuming you arent talking about is using executive orders to halt drilling in national park lands in Utah that the Bush administration is in the process of okaying.....dont think drilling in national parks was what people had in mind....but that has no bearing upon the offshore ban that congress allowed to expire... "

Suze wrote on Nov 9, 2008 10:51 PM:

" I had been feeling relieved and happy about this election result until I saw that the first person Obama hired was a hawk for Israel. Oh boy, here we go again, back to square one with Israel steering the American foreign policy and a war agenda. Back down the toilet we go. "

marikavl wrote on Nov 9, 2008 11:26 PM:

" Dear" misfit" -perfact name!for you-
we had a very long way before we purchesed our home. So it was Not the amouts you talking about. Plus I can't help it that I was born 72 years ago! I can see in the eyes of the liberal ( or sicialist ? ) everithing is somebody alses falt! I hope your president is going to share his wealth with You! Good Luck! "

marikavl wrote on Nov 9, 2008 11:36 PM:

" " Joe " I agry with You! President Bush did a great job keeping us safe! We 'll see how obama will do the! I hope he can do the same! for the coutry's and the ppl's sake.All I can say;GOD HELP US! "

glenroy wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:59 AM:

" That Obama would even consider Jamie Gorelick for AG leaves little doubt about his intentions for this nations security………he has no intentions of providing security….……

If anyone has read the extraordinary work in a dozen or so books along with many more articles of those tasked with defending this nation during the Clinton years, at the operational level not the Democrat Employment Slots…whether written by or with former FBI, CIA, DIA, ABC News, US Marshalls or the NSA personal they would well know…..the name Gorelick rates right up there with Arnold, Hiss, Rosenberg and bin Laden…..perhaps now Obama for that matter.

So much for leading from the center…..Gorelick is so far to the left she makes the average Democrat look like a Fascist… "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Joe - What flavor of Republican KoolAide are you still sipping?

Almost everything in your post about the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq is total elephant dung.

As in completely made up lies or long ago debunked. It was nice to see that you at least admitted that no WMD were in Iraq.

Come into the light, "my friend".

~Ruff "

14obama wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 AM:

" You can always tell who has the right spirit when reading this stuff. 'jwk',you better watch what you're doing to your health. You're working yourself into a frenzy,for what ? Money,things,stuff ? Is that what life's all about for you ? Give up the hatred and choose happiness ! I see too many chasing unrealistic,meaningless goals,to only die that way. Choose once again ! "

kevin wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Misfit, Prop 13 benefits ALL homeowners because it limits property tax increases to 2% per year... "

glenroy wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:36 AM:

" …still can’t comprehend…huh. crow…..who claimed a mandate? …..never used the term in the past with respect to Republican victories... Mandates don’t exist in this day and age because there are too many who vote without even a clue of an understanding the correlation of policy failure and the current state of affairs….‘bumper sticker voters‘…. amalgamation of those looking for an easy buck or somebody else to risk their life for our country….

An example, ultimate simplistic argument for change…. ‘Republican have been in power a long time’…. familiar?… clearly someone who doesn’t understand the legislative process or the cause and effect of policy failure. Our Founding Fathers greatest fear has been realized…‘an uninformed, uneducated, partisan voter‘….that’s the cause….the effect is a government that takes from those who provide the jobs, to give to those who refuse to work…..the real culprits are the elected representatives who run on this platform….

Sour grapes…LOL…yea right…....since my earliest days as polysci major, it’s been a life long challenge to educate the politically ignorant, this isn’t even a temporary set back, it‘s merely the way the game is played. Principals do not change… I will support whom ever is in office, assuming they aren’t the cause….and with Obama that’s giving the benefit of the doubt, however…Obama even considering Jamie Gorelick for Attorney General.., (the author of the Clinton Intelligence wall that enabled the 9/11 attackers according to hundreds of FBI, CIA and NSA employees) instead of an all inclusive extended stay in Sing-sing….is more than a little disconcerting…read the...The Cell…Triple Cross…The Man Who Warned America….1000 Years of Revenge…Holy War Inc…..take your pick there are dozens more…. "

Joe wrote on Nov 10, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Why do people not consider the fact that Saddam Hussein could have had the WMD's hidden somewhere in Iraq. It is a big country with millions of people.It would be pretty hard to search everywhere. Just the fact that they were importing so much uranium in plastic tubes from Niger and not willingly letting UN weapons inspectors in to search for weapons is enough reason to believe they had or were producing weapons of mass destruction.
Good job President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair for helping to make this world a safer place. "

JimClark wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:03 PM:

" As I said when Carter won. He won, we all lost. "

a teacher wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:12 PM:

" GlenRoy is going with the usual line when people disagree with him. If you don't agree with him you are:

a) lazy
b) stupid
c) duped by the liberal biased media.

or all of the above.

Way to make friends and influence people, GlenRoy.

Oh, and the names are SOOOO CUTE. "

Raven wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:40 PM:

" and besides your fiction about her creating the 'wall', why is she not qualified?...be specific.....tell why she is not as qualified as Alberto Gonzalez for example..or John Ashcroft....don't just spew, Glenroy....

a mandate...in this day and age, anyone who can come into office with more than 50 percent has a mandate...and with one of the largest victory margins in the both the number of votes, 53 percent to McCains 46, almost 8 million vote difference, and electoral votes...364 to 163, yeah...that is a mandate in my book...are you made because Obama won or because he won by such a large margin?

and tell us...just who should be allowed to vote if you don't like the vast 'uniformed, uneducated, partisan voter'...with the possible exception of Washington, this has been our system of elections .... how would you change it...? "

a teacher wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:05 PM:

" What makes Obama's victory a mandate is not just his numbers, but also the numbers of the Democratic congressmen and senators who won by a large margin. Obama not only won convincingly, he also has the allies in the legislature to make his plans reality.

That is a mandate. "

urte wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:43 PM:

" It truly is a sad day...with many more to come...
Why is it that in Amercia with it's millions of people it always comes down to the lesser of the two evils...
Now I did like Palin but was not thrilled with Mac...so what choice did I have ...other than of course to vote for the "Manchurian Candidate"...
I still have not heard from anyone that can give me a specific that Obama has accomplished...except run a good campaign...! What do we truly know about this man...? "

anticommie wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:49 PM:

" urte wrote:

"I still have not heard from anyone that can give me a specific that Obama has accomplished...except run a good campaign...! What do we truly know about this man...? "

And you wont hear anything either!!! What we truly know about this man is all in his personal history of radicalism and radical friends. Everything the man spewed during the campaign was nothing more than rhetoric and telling the people what they think they want to hear. Obama is all about "what the government can do for you" and what they can take at the same time. The man is a socialist, plain and simple!! "

gateonfire wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:59 PM:

" In response to Urte...I agree with you that it was a lesser of two evils. The most prominent thing I heard through the entire campaign was "the first black president." that speaks for itself. what do the people that voted for him know? "

formernapanative wrote on Nov 11, 2008 4:21 AM:

" now i know why i left napa! after living there all my life...... what a bunch of close minded, wine snobs! "

14obama wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:39 AM:

" Hey 'Joe',where were you when the search was on for wmd's ? Remember when Hans Blick was called off the search as soon as he got started ? Remember the U.S. invading Iraq without any traces of wmd's ? Remember the banner on the aircraft carrier, Mission Complete ? Doesn't any of these make you take a step back and re-think the whole mess ? Also,'marikavl' is a fake just like his comments ! Typical rederick. "

Joe wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:25 AM:

" 14obama,
It wasn't just U.S. troops that invaded in the first day. There were 250,000 U.S. troops, 45,000 British troops, 2,000 Australian troops, and 194 Polish troops just on the initial attack. Many other countries were and some still are there. You see it's not just the U.S.A. that is fed up with these terrorist. Europeans know what it's like to be invaded and have there freedom taken away from them. They know they must take action before it's to late.
Oh, and it's Hans Blix not Hans Blick. "

Republicrat wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:50 AM:

" 14obama - In response to your post of Nov. 8th.... So I guess what you're saying is every politician who takes a stand on an issue, and ends up being wrong should be put on trial and sent to prison. We already have a deeply divided nation. Do you want to make it worse? We have a two party system that requires bipartisan cooperation in order for anything to get done. What you're suggesting would make those efforts nearly impossible. It's not that Bush and Cheney are just going to "ride off into the sunset", thier political legacy has already been assured. With an appoval rating hovering around 20-25%, it's safe to say neither one of them will ever hold political office again nor will they have any say in Republican policy in the future. Unless you get some sort of perverse pleasure from beating a dead horse, just let it go. "

14obama wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:10 PM:

" The "inside scoop" that you may doubt if you'd like. Fact: The Bin Laden family was friends with the Bush's. Fact: The Bush's double crossed the Bin Ladens'. Fact: Hans Blick was called off the search for wmd's because the administration knew there weren't any and the invasion began. Fact: Ended the search for Bin Laden. Why ? You figure that one out !
Want a hint ? "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:12 PM:

" 1. watch for the power struggle between Obama and Congress.

2. Obama's Team has already had secret meetings with hamas. Is it a peace deal or a betrayal of Israel?

3. Obama is demanding a bailout of the the Big 3 car makers with the condition that Washington has a piece of the action.

Be afraid, very afraid of what this administration will or more likely will not do. "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:16 PM:

" I almost forgot-

Do not foget to roll your 401(k) into an IRA. The Obama team will roll you 401 into the Social Security account6 where you will earn 3% annually while they spend YOUR money! "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:04 PM:

" There you go again Freeport! You got any other "stories" for us about Obama? This is actually pretty tame for you, the fringe blogs must be slow today. "

Joe wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:47 PM:

" 14obama,
The search hasn't ended for Bin Laden. He is in Pakistan, how is anyone supposed to go get him when they don't have permission from the Pakistani government to enter the country? We aren't going to invade a country that has the sixth largest population, seventh largest military, has many nuclear weapons and is one of our allies.
People keep saying there are two wars going on. There's not. The allied nations prevailed in Iraq in 2003. They took down Saddam's ragime. We are now there occupying the territory just like many countries still occupy Germany after it was defeated in WW2. There's no reason to leave. Troops should remain there for the sake of world security. Plus, the allies will have bases even closer to Iran for when it's time to deal with them. "

Raven wrote on Nov 11, 2008 6:45 PM:

" while you are at it Freeport, what are this weeks winning lottery numbers....?

and Joe, if the Iraqi's want us out by 2011, you are saying we should ignore them and stay? and in case you haven't been looking, while we haven't invaded Pakistan, we have been attacking inside its borders with some regularity.... "

14obama wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:02 PM:

" Wow ! I can't believe what I'm hearing. What a bunch of hateful,predudice,close minded bigots we have in Napa. Just,who the hell do you think you are ? You're the scum of the earth when you talk like that. All you are doing is making your life miserable for yourself by the ego building attacks on a person you don't even know. You wouldn't admit the truth if it hit you on the head ! Nobody can change you except YOU. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:43 PM:

" I just got back from Ohio (well, actually, that was a few days ago, but I had all that other catching up to do before finding my way back here) where I was working on (drum roll, please.....) Obama's campaign.

Now, although I may be chiming in a bit late on this issue, I still have -- at least at the moment -- only one not-so-very-intellectually-based thing to say on this matter: Yee Haw!!!

(OK, maybe that was two things. But, really, at a time like this, who's counting?) "

Joe wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:44 PM:

" No we shouldn't leave if the Iraqi's want us to. We are helping them. They had a leader who broke the treaty that was signed in 1991. The U.S. has embassy's and military bases in many countries all over the world. So why should we not have one there? The French and British still have bases in Germany.That is how the world works. Why would we leave and have no control over what is going on there and then have to come back later and start all over. The allies aren't fighting the Iraqi's they are fighting the terrorists that had overrun the government and taken over control of the country. What's wrong with helping millions of people out while at the same time making sure our stake in the oil is protected? Remember when Saddam invaded Kuwait to take over control of all there oil? Does anyone realize how badly it would affect the world if he had control of that much oil? "

Joanne wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:58 PM:

" Aw, Joe. I was trying to be sooo good and only post one comment here, but I just can’t let things like this go, once someone like you shoves them right into my craw like that.

Did you really say: “That is how the world works?”

Aw, darnit! You did, didn’t you?

OK, then. Says who? You? And you know how the world works better than the rest of us do because, uh, well, gee…could you please fill us in on what makes you the expert on this? ‘Cause that just ain’t the way I (and a lot of other people) sees it.

The ball is in your court, Joe. Tell us all, please, what makes YOU the expert on “how the world works.” "

Raven wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:39 AM:

" So, Joe ou are saying we should continue to stay in Iraq regardless of the wishes of the Iraqi government of people...nice way to build democracy....

There is a big difference in having an embassy and occupying a country that doesn't want us there after a certain date, any bases in Germany are there thru a treaty called NATO...remember that?...the bases are there by mutual agreement, if they decided they didnt want us there, we would be forced by to leave...we don't get to arbitrarily decide where we will have a military base...not without invading and occupying that is

As far as the oil is concerned, we don't own it....the Iraqi people do...they have the final say so in what is done with it "

14obama wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:19 AM:

" You beat me to the punch,"Joanne". Well said ! So,"Joe"since you're the specialist on how the world works,please fill us in on more of your classified information. Pretty 'far out' stuff ! C'mon Joe ! So,we're supposed to walk right in-take over-swipe their oil and stay there to spread democracy with no regard for the lives of our young people. Something ain't right !! "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Sorry, 14obama. Didn't mean to take the wind out of your sails. Looks like you got your licks in, nonetheless. "

Republicrat wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:11 PM:

" O.K. everyone stop beating up on Joe. He's half right. It's not so much how the world works, it's how WE work. We fought in Korea in the 50's and we're still there. We fought in Europe In WWII
and we're still there. We fought in Japan in WWII and we're still there. About the only place in the world we didn't maintain a post-conflict pressence
was Vietnam for obvious reasons. When the situation in Iraq is stable we need to step down. Our military has already said we will begin to see troop reductions within the next 6 months and as the situation improves further reductions will take place. But even when we turn control over to the Iraqis, we are still going to have a base
in Kuwait. Where Joe is dead wrong is:
"making sure our stake in the oil is protected". President Bush has said all along that the oil is the property of the Iraqi people. One thing our pressence
in Iraq does is protect the free flow of oil to the WORLD market not the U.S. market. We can't get out of this hell-hole fast enough for me, but lets not be in too big of a hurry to leave and have the whole mess colapse and have to come back. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Republicrat, I think it's more Joe's attitude than anything else that has invited so many of us to respond with the sort of comments that appear here. The notion that we (apparently meaning the people of the United States) have a "stake" in the Iraqi's oil or that he somehow has the market cornered on knowledge of "how the world works" just smacks so loudly of, oh, I don't know, imperialism, maybe? Not to mention some of his other earlier and rather offensive comments, one of which came right out and placed that inflammatory "A" word in the same sentence as the name of our current President-Elect (which – at least in my view – should never have gotten past the moderators of this venue to begin with).

Really, he should count himself lucky if the Secret Service doesn’t decide to investigate him for that “zinger.”

I’m just sayin’… "

Raven wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:25 PM:

" Couple of points Republicrat.....we remain in Europe and Japan through mutually agreed upon treaties...which have to be renewed periodically....and if the host countries decided they want us no longer, we would be obliged to leave...We are still in Korea because we have just an armistice, no peace accord of any kind with North Korea. "

CAskier wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Prunepicker...Now you don't have to worry about putting gas in your car or paying your mortgage? Boy did the "fair and balanced" liberal media really work you (and the country) over.
Do you think that Mr. Obama is the first president to try to raise taxes on the rich and give to the lazy? Has it worked in the past? No, and it won't work now.
Personally, I'm very scared to have someone running this country who will change his ideas because the public doesn't like it (i.e. his Tax Plan). And God forbid anything should happen and we should place the trust of our country in Joe Biden's hands. Should that happen, look for me on House Hunters International! "

CAskier wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:57 PM:

" It will also be interesting to see how the Democratic-held White House, Democratic-held Senate, Democratic-held House and the Democratic public try to twist things and blame everything on the now minority Republicans, as they always do. Something tells me that history will continue and the blame will fall anywhere but on their shoulders. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:21 PM:

" CAskier, On just the issue of your apparent reliance on the "conventional wisdom" that the mainstream media has a liberal bias alone, I will borrow the words of constitutional scholar and attorney, Glenn Greenwald:

"Using only undisputed facts, one could write volumes - and many have - destroying the self-evidently moronic claim that the media outlets owned by the nation's largest and most powerful corporations are tireless propagandists for a Leftist agenda..."

And are you trying to tell me that the working poor in this country don't bust their you-know-whats just as hard, if not harder, than do those who are fortunate enough not to find themselves in that position? An overwhelming number of those who can be counted among the working poor work two or more jobs – often doing backbreaking work -- just to make ends meet.

So the notion that this is all about taking from the rich to give to "the lazy" is just plain nonsense. "

Republicrat wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:55 PM:

" Raven, you are absolutely right.

Joe said; "The U.S. has embassy's and military bases in many countries all over the world. "

I just wanted to point out that he was right about military bases in other countries but wrong on his statement regarding "our stake" in Iraq's oil.
I didn't bother to go into WHY we have
bases in other countries and perhaps I should have. Good post Raven - excellent knowledge. "

14obama wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Just who do you think you are,"Caskier" ?
You sound like you have marbles for brains. A spoiled brat kind that turns out to very judgmental of others. Tax the rich and give to the lazy ? Makes me wonder if you know what "Work" means,you little baby. You say you're very scared,well get used to it because you don't have the courage to be openminded. "Republicrat",you haven't digested the most obvious and that is the fact that WE SHOULD NOT BE IN IRAQ in the first place. WE'VE BEEN LIED TO !!! DUH ! So there ! I've watched and anylyzed the whole debacle since day one and remember all of the schemes and purposeful changes to the truth. Haliburton and other contractors "cleanin up" on the war. Pretty sick if you ask me. "

Joe wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:05 PM:

" The way the world works is that the more powerful country can force their way into a country and take over if they want to. Just like President Andrew JAckson forsed the Cherokee Indians on the trail of tears to get them out of the Eastern US. Then when President Polk forced them even further west and took the land which is now Texas from Mexico. Both presidents were founders of the Democratic party by the way.
You can look even further in time and see what the Roman Empire did to expand their empire and take land from other civilizations. Country's have always resulted to combat in order to get what they need to better their societies.
As far as the oil in Iraq. I didn't say we would take it from the Iraqi's. We will just monitor it and make sure the world would still have access to it at affordable prices as would the rest of the world. Why do you think other countries care too. If the Iraq's had sole power of it and nobody did anything they could sell it for much more than they do and the world's econemy would be horrible. We would be the poor one's while they got extremely rich. We don't live in a peaceful world where everybody shares. It's the survival of the fittest and now's the time to act if we want to remain one of the world's superpowers.
As for my first comment with the "A" word. I said I hope it doesn't happen. It's a fact that people have already been caught plotting to. Look at all the assassination's in the 60's of people who were fighting for equal rights for black Americans. People are still alive from that time who may want to. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:42 PM:

" Joe, anyone who has lived through the 1960s or has ever picked up a history book is already painfully aware of the tragic events of the past that you, for some unsettling reason, apparently felt a need to link to these present day circumstances. We all already "get that," so it serves no good purpose to make such an inflammatory reference to such unspeakable acts in this context. And I gotta be honest with you, Joe, I find some of your subsequent posts, which seem to keep going back to the idea that our current President-Elect should not be seen as number 44 YET (like you think, for some reason, that there is a good chance that something may happen to prevent the peaceful transition of power to take place on January 20th, more unsettling still, with that earlier post in mind.

Just trying to give you an alternate perspective here that I hope explains the concern that is being expressed over your posts by some of the other posters (me included) on this page. "

Raven wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:42 PM:

" and Joe, what gives us the right to even monitor the Iraqi oil? The Iraqi's own and can do whatever they wish with it....any else means we have made Iraq an American colony....

as for Jackson, he was moving the Native Americans illegally, because the supreme court had ruled that the native American tribes were nations and had to be dealt with as such, but they were being moved from one part within the borders of the United States to another.
Polk didn't take Texas from Mexico...Texas freed itself and was a republic before being annexed into the US by President Tyler. "

caskier wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:56 PM:

" Joanne...I in no way think that the working poor don't work harder than most. I am very aware that we rely on them immensly. The reason I did not say "...give to the poor" is because all I heard during Obama's campaign and election-night speech was about the "middle-class". Do we consider many of those, such as the vineyard workers, middle class? Or did I just miss it both times I watched his speech where he talked about the "poor class"? And, just because Mr. Greenwald is claimed to be a scholar and has an opinion means he's right?

14Obama...You're just reinforcing my comment about blaming others. Did you forget about the 29 of 50 Democratic Senators who voted to go to war against Iraq? If this is a REPUBLICAN war as so many proclaim, why did a majority of Democratic senators vote in favor of it? I'm sure it was the Republicans fault. Sure, we were lied to, I don't argue that. But that means the Democratic senators who voted for it were just as gullable as everyone else. No?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&vote=00237&session=2 "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:45 PM:

" Caskier,

There have been many studies, a substantial number of them peer-reviewed, that de-bunk the notion that even a significant minority share of the mainstream media has a liberal bias. So yes, most of the reliable evidence on this issue supports the fact that Mr. Greenwald is, indeed, right.

Frankly, I take offense at your suggestion that the even the "middle-class" are lazy. The vast majority of Americans consider themselves to be among the "middle class" and a heck of a lot of those folks are very hard working. But aside from that, if you took the time to look at the issue any deeper than just that very superficial information source that you have cited here, you would know that Obama's tax plan also benefits those in the lower income brackets. No matter how you slice it, framing it as a plan that takes from the rich to give to the lazy is inflammatory, unfair, and inaccurate. "

Joe wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:21 PM:

" What is wrong with saying that it is to early to say that Obama will be the 44th president? Many things could happen that could easily make Obama the 45th or even 46th president. President Bush could pass away and Cheney would be the 44th. What is so disturbing about that? It's a little premature to be saying he is the 44th president.
Raven, what gives us the right to be in Iraq monitoring the oil is Saddam's failure to obey the terms of the cease fire agreement from 1991 that ended the first Gulf War. President Clinton's administration was getting prepared for an invasion of Iraq in 1998 due to Saddam's failure to comply with the terms from the cease fire agreement. Clinton informed Bush about Iraq during the transition of power and told him it would be a big part of his presidency. Clinton also told him about information regarding Bin Laden and Al Queda. All this stuff was going on before 9/11. It will continue too. Obama is not going to pull all the troops out of Iraq. "

Joe wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:28 PM:

" It will be interesting to see what kind of Support the Democratic party has in the year 2012 ( that's twenty twelve not two thousand twelve) I'm so tired of hearing most people refer to these years in thousands. The years 2000 and 1000 are the only two that should be referred to as thousands. 2001 should be called tweny oh one, 2002 twenty oh two and so on. People don't call 1901 one thousand nine hundred and one. Whens it going to stop? Hopefully at least by 2010 people will say twenty ten instead of two thousand ten. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:46 PM:

" Joe, I give up. Your comments on this specific topic are disturbing to me and -- apparently -- to some others who are also participating in this discussion as well. If I didn't make the reasons for that clear enough for you in my earlier post, then words fail me.

Could it just matter to you enough that such comments are truly, deeply disturbing to many of us, especially to those of us who lived through the 1960s, to get you to refrain from returning to this theme in the way that you have been thus far, please? "

Raven wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:32 PM:

" Joe....it must be nice to live in your world...but we live in this one and there is no legal right bestowed upon us to monitor oil sales in Iraq other than our military occupation, the legal basis for which expires at the end of this year with the end of the UN Mandate.

And while there were occasions when Clinton launched a missile or two at Iraq...and invasion in 1998....nope

and btw the way, does it really matter which form people use for 2012...both are correct..check some diplomas sometimes where the date is , well mine for example, in the year one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine.. "

14obama wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 PM:

" Man,what the hell are you foamin at the mouth about,Joe ? You're gonna give yourself a case of somethin that ain't good. Does it really make any difference how one says it ? 2010 is two thousand ten or twenty ten. It means two thousand and ten years after the death of Jesus Christ. And yes we do live in two thousand eight ! "

Joe wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM:

" So it's ok to say Bill Clinton won the election in one thousand nine hundred ninety two? How about saying Bush won the election in twenty hundred, is that ok? "

Raven wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:07 PM:

" yep it is joe.....and bush was elected in two thousand, not twenty hundred.... "

Joe wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:07 PM:

" That's right Raven, because twenty hundred is not a number neither is ten hundred. But when will people stop using the word thousand to refer to a year? Surely by 2020 people will say twenty twenty instead of two thousand twenty. Hopefully it will be by 2010 but I already hear people saying two thousand twelve for the year 2012. "

ADark1 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:13 PM:

" What do "we" think?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I am soooo tempted to write what I really think but!

Its not printable! Those of you whom are sore losers? Respect your country, respect your Presedent elect and give him a chance to clean up the mess left by the responsible ones.

THen again, there are some of you who will blame every problem prior to Obama taking office on him. I an fortunate to have 1 real friend who was a rabid McCain supporter who had the decency to call me and congratulate me....too bad the majority of right wingers on this blog do NOT have that class. Perhpas they could learn from him. Or, as McCain stated he's slept like a baby since the election...slept, woke up and cried every two hours and slept again! "

XMAN wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:34 PM:

" I voted for McCain because he represented my personal beliefs. All during the campaign I watched every Obama speech, interview, debate, etc.
I realized that his lack of experience will probably be an asset. An opportunity to break some new ground.
While disagreeing with Obama on many issues I could not question his sincerity. I believe he wants to do the right thing for his country. Now that this man has been elected, I will surely give him my full support and loyalty in his role as leader of the free world and try to be fair in all of my judgements regarding his executive decisions. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:41 AM:

" Joe, English is a “messy” language, but, like every other, is subject to conventions; widely understood, but (considering that an infinite combination of variables can apply to a given situation) somewhat fluid “rules of use” that are different for written and spoken language forms and are highly context-dependent (Informal or formal communication? Its purpose? Level of familiarity between those communicating? And so on.)

Especially outside of very formal contexts, language conventions are constantly evolving, influenced by many different factors, “common forms of usage” being among the most dominant. Those that apply here may seem inconsistent to you, but are actually composed of finite sets of “rules” that are applied following a (here’s the key) GENERALLY CONSISTENT AND PREDICTABLE PATTERN.

IN GENERAL: the spoken expression of a calendar year that falls between 1110 and 1999 (as is also true of those from 2110 through 2999) most commonly “splits the number down the middle” (as in “nineteen ninety-six” for 1996 or “twenty-nine ninety-nine for 2999). However, most people would express the calendar years that fall between 1000 and 1099 or 2000 and 2099, using 1008 and 2008 as an example, as “one-“ and “two-thousand eight,” For years that end in double zeroes, like 1100, 1200, 2100, we would apply a different rule still, saying “eleven-,” “twelve-,” or “twenty-one hundred.” Furthermore, most people would apply a different convention to the calendar years up though 999. (They would be most apt to speak the words “eight-hundred and fifiten,” rather than “eight-fifteen” to express the numeric calendar year value of 815.)

That said, especially in less formal contexts, less common forms of usage are not necessarily improper if the most important standard has been met: the message is clear.

Now let it go, would ya’? "

Joanne wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:06 AM:

" XMAN, I offer this with absolute sincerity:

Bravo! Your 9:34 pm post really "raises the bar" for many of the participants in this discussion. And I, for one, very much appreciate that.

Thank you. "

Republicrat wrote on Nov 14, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Hey 14obama - Let's try and raise the level of discourse in this forum shall we?
Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them stupid. So I don't appreciate your "DUH" comment. Whether we should or shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place, is at this point irrelevant. We're there!! We broke it - we bought it. A majority of senate democrats voted in favor of the war, remember? I know, I know - they were LIED to right? Look, we went to war based on faulty intellegence. But we had the exact same faulty intellegence that the rest of the world had. France, Germany, Russia, England, Australia and even other countries in the Middle East, Isreal, Jordan and Egypt thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The United Nations issued 17 resolutions , imposed sanctions and sent teams of weapons inspectors to Iraq. It seems to me even the U.N. was suspicious of Saddam. Hans Blix and his band of merrymen were led around by the nose being told where they could and couldn't look and who they could and couldn't interview. It's pretty tough to find anything under those conditions and makes it appear that they were hiding something. So if you want to place the blame on somebody for Iraq, lets start with Saddam Hussein. I don't buy into the notion that Bush started this war so he and his cronies could profit from their Halliburton holdings. Bush is not a sinister evil genius. George Bush is Forrest Gump. "

Dwayne wrote on Nov 16, 2008 1:29 PM:

" SUPREME COURT JUSTICE SOUTER ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE DECEMBER 1

If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
"I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect." "

checkursix wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Luckily, I already have all the firepower I will ever need. I'm in the process of clearing a 1000 yard zone around my hill-top with 100 yard markers. He will never get my guns. I will watch with glee as Osama Binladen ooops..I mean OBAMA-BIDEN.....honest mistake they are sooo close to each other...spew their leftist rhetoric and drive this Country into chaos as we get relentlessly attacked by Al Queda and Co. "

bettye wrote on Nov 17, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Dewayne,could you please direct me to your information site ..I would like to read the article concerning Judge Souter and Obama's birth certificate ... Thanks .. "

JimClark wrote on Nov 18, 2008 3:25 PM:

" As with Carter, he won and all of us lost. "

bettye wrote on Nov 18, 2008 7:45 PM:

" Dewayne , I'm waiting ???? "

gateonfire wrote on Nov 18, 2008 8:16 PM:

" Bettye:
I copied and pasted Dewayne's quote intomysearch engine and got several hits. I soon gave up reading the same thing over and over again, but did not necessarily get the interpretation that ewayne did. I'll be interested to have you try and post what you come up with. "

Raven wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:38 AM:

" the sources are all over the anti obama sites but try a search of cnn or even fox and you get nothing.....

don't expect a fast answer from dwayne...and btw dwayne...the US supreme court doesn't certify elections..each state does... "

Skip M. wrote on Nov 21, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Impeach Obama! (after inauguration) "

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