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Friday, November 07, 2008

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By DAN ROSS
Register Online Staff

Election blogs

The race is over, Barack Obama will be the next president, so now is the time for the next question.

What is next for Sarah Palin, Alaska Governor and John McCain’s vice president?

179 comment(s)

palegreen wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:45 PM:

" She should go back to Alaska, but lets keep an eye on her for humor value. "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:17 PM:

" Hopefully far far away "

TrickleDown wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:40 AM:

" To Alaska to keep an eye on Putin rearing his head, and to get back to reading all of the magazines that are published. You betcha! "

noblindershere wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:51 AM:

" home to alaska with all her children and grandchildren, thank god "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:05 AM:

" I'd like to see Sarah Palin back in the 2012 Republican primary.

That would be a clear sign that the Theocrats hope to win the struggle between the Wall Street Weasels, the Theocrats, and the Military Empire Builders for ownership of the Republican Party.

~Ruff "

napawriter wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:13 AM:

" Home. "

GerryKP wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:21 AM:

" Back to Alaska with you!

"We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. ... We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008 "

wipemedown wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:18 AM:

" back to the frigid North to have more children; naming them rake, purple, and maverick "

napahistorian wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Well as of now there are three factions within the Republican Party. There is the Palin faction that stand for moral and ethical values, then you have the Guliani faction that stand for economic and free-market values, and then you have the libertarians that stand against big government.

Palin is a very ambitious woman who will definitely come back to the scenes in 8 years or so. She is not the dull woman that the media was able to sell, it fact because of her political ambition she will continue to climb up the Republican ladder and secure herself a victory --of some sort-- in 2016.

Palin was also able to secure herself as a smart and appealing politician after her debate with Biden. "

a teacher wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Maybe there is an opening on Saturday Night Live. I kind of miss Emilly Litella... "

P.L.U.R wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:28 AM:

" 'O I KNOW ,,, SHE'S GONNA GO HAVE MORE KIDS !!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH !!!!!!!! "

misfit wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:40 PM:

" Where are Deewaaayne and Kevin? "

kevin wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:59 PM:

" She won't have to wait till 2016. By 2012, with the high taxes and the military cutbacks from the B.O. administration, she will have READY MADE platform to run on... "

antipc wrote on Nov 5, 2008 2:06 PM:

" She's going to be preparing for a 2012 run.

Should be a cake walk after four years of Obama, backed by a Democrat backed House & Senate. "

mytwocents wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:43 PM:

" Hopefully she'll just fade away forever. Her supporters were crazy scary.
I say God bless American, the people have made their choice and it is the dawn of a new day. "

wipemedown wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:25 PM:

" Iranistan

Somthinstan

North Koreastan???

Shucks .... she was almost joe the president "

krusty wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:13 AM:

" wipemedown, Palin said she would name her next child Zamboni. No joke. "

winghunter wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:49 AM:

" She is going to swing by my house for a BBQ and a few beers... finish the night off with a couple glass's of wine and see where that takes us. "

Sandra wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:05 AM:

" krusty wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:13 AM:

" wipemedown, Palin said she would name her next child Zamboni. No joke. "

Geez....YES JOKE!
I gotta wonder about some of you...what a bunch of sore winners. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:26 AM:

" I heard she was moving next door to ruff and going to put several dozen plastic pink flamingos in her front yard. "

Native74 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:40 AM:

" I hope she continues on up the ladder. She was a breath of fresh air to the Republican Party. I don't agree with her on all points, but I do treasure the fact that she has a family while still holding a leadership executive position. Something you would think liberals would embrace instead of shunning away from. Oh well, she was still inspiring to many of us. It would be a shame if she doesn't help us out nationally later on. "

notshocked wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:59 AM:

" I think Palin has all the right skills for local politics, but she'd better be careful about bending rules to achieve her agenda.... scrutiny will be very high of her now!

I hope Palin chooses her family and special child over an uber-demanding role in world politics, for which most people feel she is not capable. A delightful woman, I'm sure, but not ready/able for the world's stage. Maybe she can get a job in broadcast journalism? She's got the looks and with a teleprompter she might actually sound credible. "

Napa_Citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:01 AM:

" Sometimes these commentaries make me absolutely sick. The hatefulness, ignorance, and lack of respect you have for other Americans in this country is disgusting. Ya really should be ashamed of yourselves... Most likely most of those comments were made by people from the "D" party. Im sure. Whats funny is - many of those comments are like the pot calling the kettle black. (oh NO! I said the word black!)

I hope and pray she doesnt let ignorant people who have nothing better to do then tear others down, and attack get her down. I think she is a wonderful lady, with a good heart, and a great family. I think its also awesome she made history in 2008 being the 1st WOMAN VP candidate.... Women are amazing - and its fantastic to see us making strides in our own country's political system by getting in there and making change happen.

I hope she runs - she will have my vote!

Sarah Palin for President 2012 ! ! ! "

dmom wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:10 AM:

" Hopefully, the Wasilla hillbillies who've been looting Nieman's from coast to coast will return to their ice cap and float toward Putin. "

selim wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:39 AM:

" I LOVE IT. We're not two days past the election and already Kevin is predicting the demise of Barack, and the majestic ascension of Palin, whose intellectual stature makes Bush43 look like a Mensa member.

Kevin, face it: supply side economics has failed the last two times it has been implemented in the United States. IT WON'T WORK. Time for something different. Deal with it. "

jmo wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Senator Stevens will reelection and then resign. Palin will appoint herself senator and begin a distinguished career in the Senate leading to the 08 or 12 nomination and ultimately the presidency stealing the show from Hillary.
Laugh now but remember you read it here first. "

sunny wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Now that's she done some running with the big dogs, I bet she'll make a comeback. Or try to. "

funnyme wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:18 AM:

" She will go back to do what she has been doing all along. She didn't "change hats" to fit the campaign (like most do).

We know, deep down you all wish you have grown to be like her! "

mominapa wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:21 AM:

" She can go back to Alaska where she undoubtedly will walk with dinosaurs. She will watch Russia from a rocking chair on her front porch with a shotgun across her lap. She will develop a line of toys for Mattell with Moosehunter Barbie leading the pack. After all, Gov. of Alaska is just a part time job, isn't it?

She would better serve her country if she would embrace a cause that should be near and dear to her heart - issues relating to special needs kids. Hey, maybe she could have one of her born again, holy roller, faith healer buddies cure the problem.

She's a joke and it will be a sad day for America if she throws her hat in the political ring again. She's been up north too long. I think her brain is frozen. She might want to ponder the problem of over-population as well. "

Mr. Burns wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Palin/Plumber '12!!! "

krusty wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 AM:

" Sandra, she said it in a People magazine interview. She never even pretended it was a joke. Making fun of someone who wants to name their child Zamboni does not make me a sore winner, it makes me human. "

antipc wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:03 AM:

" mominapa,

Your tolerance should be an example for all children. "

a teacher wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:06 AM:

" All jokes aside, my guess that if she can survive the rest of her term as Governor of Alaska, we will see her back on the scene in 2012.

If Obama falls short as president, We may see her as a candidate. Otherwise I doubt she'll get the nomination as the republicans will try with someone more moderate. She could easilly fit into the Ronald Regan mold if she is a serious study and ambitious enough. I think she is both. "

cordell wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:24 AM:

" jmo, to get the '08 nomination she would first have to invent a time machine. Also, wait till you read the Newsweek article about her before you form your final opinions. "

1wino wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:40 AM:

" Holy Cow........

You people are just plain awful. Anyone who has a different idea or thought is greeted with pure hate. Its just pathetic. Hope? Change? Obviously not in this county!
Seriously, all of this hate IS the problem. Is this really the example you want to set for our children? We are ALL Americans, including Sarah Palin. Its time all of you got off the "Hate BUs" and started to have some respect for one another. Take a look at yourselves. Its embarrassing. "

b14him2 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Why do we have to call ourselves "African Americans" "Asian American" "Latino" etc. Either you are an AMERICAN or not. Anyone who has to label themselves, is not happy with just being an American and has to segregate themselves. This is where the problem lies. Palin was a great choice and I for one look forward to seeing her in the future. No one could be worse than our famous adulterous Clinton! "

Sandra wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Krusty,
There is a comedian called Ron White. Have you ever seen his act? One of his best lines is, "You can't fix stupid."
I read the article. "Zamboni" ....It was very funny. That is one of the things I liked about Palin. She has a sense of humor. "

Mr. Burns wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:23 PM:

" Palin drove the "Hate Bus" while McCain rode shotgun. "

reason-ator wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:38 PM:

" When I heard that McCain went out of the little D.C. circle to pick a running mate, I expected most media to be hyper-critical of her.

What I DIDN'T expect was that so many otherwise-intelligent people would let mainstram media lead them around by the nose. "

1wino wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:42 PM:

" Mr. Burns,

Irregardless of who drove the hate bus in the run up to the election, it appears that you are now at the wheel. Do any of you truly feel that this kind of hate toward our fellow Americans and leaders is really going to make this a better place? Lets hear thoughts about how, perhaps, this "change" will bring us together as a nation. Isnt that what Obama said he wanted? I, for one, am all for it. All of the uneducated hate mongering is getting pretty boring. "

reason-ator wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:43 PM:

" b14him2-

I read a news report recently about an African-American from Canada. Why isn't he an African-Canadian ?

Or even better, just a Canadian ?

People are people. Why do they even have to have a label ? "

NVR-Dan Ross wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:43 PM:

" Hey Mr. Burns, you have an e-mail waiting for you, as you won the $50 gift certificate in the Electoral Vote contest.
--Dan "

nanner wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Where does she go from here..

North to Alaska I hope....

WAY NORTH......... "

krusty wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:05 PM:

" Dan-Isn't Missouri still undecided? I know I lost, so I'm not holding out any hope for myself, just wondering. "

krusty wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Yes, Sandra, I know you can't fix stupid. But you can send her back to Alaska where she can't do as much harm. "

reader wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:43 PM:

" Reason-ator: FYI, America is a continent and Canada is on the American continent, just as the US is.

Funny thing, the Palin didn't know that Africa was a continent, but thought it was a country. "

NVR-Dan Ross wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:10 PM:

" krusty: This is with Missouri to McCain and North Carolina to Obama. If those very close contests change by the end of the vote count period later this month, we'll give another $50 gift certificate out, but at this point, the 364 is based on who leads in each state. "

luv1mom wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:18 PM:

" Sandra: This energizer bunny is THRILLED with President-elect Barack Obama. Just look at us dems go and go! "

Mr. Burns wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 PM:

" Dan: Eeexcellent. Thank you! "

luv1mom wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 PM:

" I think some of you argued that she had an 80% approval rating when I mentioned that the people I know who live there didn't like her. Her approval rating is now 64% and sinking. So I guess well . . . they DON'T like her. "

jmo wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Is Martha Ann Bertolino Sarah palin's evil twin sister? If so, She is wanted in Napa. -:) "

vago69 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 5:14 PM:

" Although I really hope she returns in 2012 and runs again, I feel needs to head back to Alaska and take care of her family. I don't think she has even come to the realization of how hard it is going to be to raise a child with Down Syndrome. Unless she plans on outsourcing that aspect of her life or her husband takes the lead, then I wonder if she will have time for the demands of national office.

And Napa_Citizen, Gov. Palin was hardly the first woman VP candidate. I think you meant to say Republican VP candidate as Geraldine Ferraro ran in 1984 and there have been a whole host of minor party candidates dating back to 1884. Sorry for being so pedantic. "

antipc wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:58 PM:

" Palins 64% is still higher than Obamas 52%. "

Joe B wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:06 PM:

" After she gets ridiculed by her party she'll be just a feeble memory? "

kevin wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:07 PM:

" Only a Liberal would say that a governor with a 64% approval rating "is not liked"... "

Sandra wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:11 PM:

" Gee luv1mom...this dem is pretty embarrased that many in her party are such sore winners. As evidenced by the tone of many posters here...They can't even be gracious in victory..... "

wyngyrl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:08 PM:

" Perhaps she'll use the long Alaska winter nights to contemplate the results of running a divisive, untruthful, negative, and hateful campaign. Perhaps she'll sign up for some post-graduate courses on economics, American history, geography, consitutional law, and political science. Then perhaps she might be ready to come back down to the lower 48. But I hope she spares us that decision. "

Duck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:41 PM:

" I hope Sarah Palin goes back into oblivion where she belongs. I also hope McCain will reach across the isle and become a supporter of the new administration. His concession speech was the first of his speeches in a long time that I was able to listen to and feel respect for him
Mr President elect Barack Obama: Yes we can!!!! "

kevin wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:49 PM:

" LOL. I heard someone comment today on the caliber of the recent electioneering.

Can you imagine our founding fathers running around during the Revolution shouting "Yes we can"?

Pathetic isn't it? "

krusty wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:10 PM:

" So hope isn't a good thing to have, kevin? Lord knows we didn't have it when Bush was in office. Especially over the last three or four years.

It's a terrible thing isn't it? Decades of struggle by African-Americans and they finally feel like they have a voice in this country. Millions of young people and millions of minorities finally taking part in the election process because someone inspired them and gave them reason to believe our country can be better. A global respect for the man we just elected President of the United States.

Pathetic isn't it? "

TheDudeAbides wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:44 PM:

" It'd be great to see the GOP bring Palin back in 2012. Do it, Republicans! Pin your hopes on Palin! Of course the Democrats could run a bath mat against her and win, but don't let that stop you! Stick to your core values! "

Injoy wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:00 PM:

" What is with all you Sore-Winners? What are you Mean Girls Act-2?
Like it says in my child's classroom...
Be nice or leave... "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 7, 2008 1:10 AM:

" I hear she is taking a trip to the city of Africa, err I mean country of Africa, errr I mean Continent of Africa. Then she will return to the 3 Countries of North America who are apart of NAFTA. If she accomplished one thing is was making people realize that they can accomplish anything with or without a high school level education. "

noblindershere wrote on Nov 7, 2008 6:25 AM:

" injoy- if you are going to run for VP of the US you need to be prepared to handle the critics. Not knowing that Africa is a continent or the members of NAFTA is an embarrassment. Fox News reported this and their reporters were at a loss for words. McCain lost big because of Palin.

Does it also say in your child's classroom, "pay attention and learn something, so that you are not embarrassed in the future" Or is the focus on being nice?

We are talking about a top leader of the US. Are we being mean? No, just having expectations of a leader that are not out of the question. We expect our third graders to know that Africa is a continent!
Kevin, you are so out of touch...
How anyone can not see this moment in history as nothing but outstanding is beyond words.

Obama will not disappoint....the team he is putting together is already outstanding. "

grape wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:00 AM:

" You know the one thing I've realized through all of this, the real minority is women. With Hillary it was her pantsuits and what about the ridiculous hate spewed at Palin over stupid things. As if your President and VP elect haven't done or said stupid things, worn an ugly tie, gotten gray and old looking, whatever. Petty stuff.

To me Palin is the perfect example of a woman that has it all and she got there by being smart, beautiful and with the support of a non-sexist husband. "

JimClark wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:32 AM:

" Sarah Palin is not a Republican. To my mind she is a conservative. Any Real American should have ready access to the writings of The Federalist; what is that? If you don’t know, find it.

James Madison’s offering in his offering that became the Federalist number 5 explained differences between “factions” and true philosophy. In my humble opinion Sarah Palin is a philosophical Conservative as opposed to a factional republican. I could not in proper philosophical conscience vote for either “party” (faction). Both political parties have been and continue to be on self-destruct. That affects us all; The People our Constitution considered us to be and become. karl marx referred to us as the “people”; most marxists do. That demeans the individual and that has given the American People status unworthy of The Law of our land; no matter how factions abuse and misinterpret our Constitution. What is so wrong being a “soccer” Mom? To my mind, Sarah Palin is a fleeting moment that needs to be captured and retained. Feminism is definitely Not some 1980s political guilt trip created by a faction. "

transplant wrote on Nov 7, 2008 10:42 AM:

" She's great looking, and kind of famous,,,I'm sure Playboy will make her an offer. "

wyngyrl wrote on Nov 7, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Actually, the country DID say to Gov. Palin "Be nice or leave." Bye bye, mean girl. Take a time out. "

Raven wrote on Nov 7, 2008 1:36 PM:

" the defeat of Mccain/Palin had nothing to do with her being a soccer mom....it was the message of fear and continuing the status quo that doomed her...

but yeah i think it is kind of important for a VP to know the continents... "

leah wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:14 PM:

" But, yeah, I think it's kind of important for the President to know there are only 50 states, not 57. "

rogers wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:37 PM:

" Jim there's nothing wrong with a soccer mom, it just seems the Republicans are dedicated to finding the least competent people for important positions.

Folks are tired of bottom-of-the-class poor performers. Palin could use another degree (perhaps in international relations?) before she thinks about running again. I would rather have "Joe the plumber" be a real plumber (perhaps with a real business license?) and Sarah Palin a governor of a state with less than a million people. She needs to prove an understanding of complexities within the lower 49 states (including Hawaii).

Palin needs to prove her long term competence and ability to understand national and world issues. Perhaps in 2012 she should look toward a position in Congress if she can deflate her ego enough. She was not presidential material at the time of the election and McCain made a huge mistake picking her. This time America chose smarts over an energizer. We'll be the better for it. "

luv1mom wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Leah: you're really reaching. We all have here and there misspoke about something. Obama ran one of the best campaigns ever and is probably the most intelligent candidate ever elected for POTUS.

Transplant: Ha ha, that is what my husband said too! "

1wino wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:05 PM:

" You people are hilarious......
Most of you act as though you know Sarah Palin personally. You also take what the media feeds you and then run with it. You end up looking and sounding like a bunch of uneducated hate mongers. have any of you achieved what she has been able to accomplish? I dont necessarily agree with her politics but that aside, she is a pretty amazing woman. Do I want her as my President? No. Do I respect her as a person. You betcha. Whats shes done for her state is pretty amazing if you care to get past all of your childish hate and actually read some non biased factual information. 5 kids, a small successful business, a good marriage and the Governor of Alaska. I'd say that pretty solid and unless any of you can say you've achieved more, I think you should give her a little credit. The whole "I hate you because of your politics" thing is boring and totally played out. Generally speaking, hate is reserved for those who are not educated enough to discuss the issues. I'd say we have a whole bunch of dummies in here if thats the case. "

antipc wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:19 PM:

" If you think McCain made a mistake selecting Palin as a running mate because of her lack of experience, wait to till you find out what a colossal mistake it was electing Obama as President.

She has more experience governing than Obama & doesn't have the skeletons in the closet that he has. How blind can people be? Truly amazing. "

Maya wrote on Nov 7, 2008 5:26 PM:

" My guess is that she should go back to school to learn geography. Maybe a few political science courses could help her out too. "

dreluvwine26 wrote on Nov 7, 2008 6:16 PM:

" it was truly astonishing to see how many people got so excited when Palin was on the ticket... It was an embarrassment that this person was even being considered for the VP posisition... She made Dan Quayle look like an intellectual juggernaut... Hopefully people come back to their senses and this is the last that well ever see of Sarah Palin... Good riddance ..... "

antipc wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:10 PM:

" Hey, to all you Palin haters.

Imagine the mainstream media espousing the same garbage about Hillary two years ago.

There's your reality check. "

bettye wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:07 PM:

" Kevin, I had to laugh trying to imagine our founding fathers of the Revolution running around saying..."you betcha" and " say it ain"t so ,Joe" .. and I"ll get back to ya !!! "

Bauhausfan wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:33 PM:

" Hopefully Sarah Palin will do what needs to be done to save the Republican party. She will purge all non believers from the party, you know, all those who think the party needs to moderate itself because it has gone so far to the extremist right. She believes, rightly so, that the party hasn't gone to the right far enough and will not allow these people of moderation to contaminate it with their lack of faith in what it really means to be a Republican in the 21st century.

I, personally, am thankful that she will lead the party to where it needs to be. "

Sandra wrote on Nov 8, 2008 8:12 AM:

" 1wino...regarding your post of Nov 7, 2008 3:05 PM....man, oh man, you got that right....(especially the last line).

Grape as for women being the true minority....isn't it interesting that many of us "women" were thrilled to perpetuate that during this campaign?
Lot's of self hate? I think it was because Palin just did not measure up to the small minded unwritten rules of what a feminist should be. How dare she be successful, and not hold every view the liberal left holds? The audacity of her. I have to say, that while I did not agree with many of her personal beliefs, the strength of character that she displayed through this hate fest impressed me tremendously. I also loved her sense of humor. It is obvious to me that most people just were so full of venom and a lack of a sense of humor, it just went over their heads....Some great examples of Palin's humor...naming a child Zambone, and being good at foriegn relations because she can see russia from her porch.....Kind of similar to Obama's statement that there were 56, or was it 57 states. "

Paddy wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:31 AM:

" I'm sure most of you Obama-lovers also voted no on prop 8, or "no on h8" as I recall seeing.... based on what I'm reading here your nothing but hypocrites. "

reader wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Sandra: I respectfully disagree with your premise. If what you say is true, regarding Palin's "strong character" then you would also hear "small minded . . . feminists" spewing their supposed hate towards women like Condoleeza Rice. But, no, you don't because Condoleeza Rice IS a woman of strong character, and therefore earns the respect of all women whether they agree with her or not.

Sara Palin does not have strenth of character. Palin does have enormous strength of ego and a belief of self-entitlement, which over-shadows what should be her good judgement. In psychology, it is called narsissistic personality disorder.

I predict the Palin will soon begin to publically defend herself against the criticism instead of reflecting on what went wrong, looking at her own short-comings, and educating herself. Blaming others vs. taking responsibility is a symptom of narcissism, as well. "

Bauhausfan wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:53 AM:

" Sandra - She wasn't joking about the Russia foreign relations statement. And I understand her quite well. I hope she does lead the party into the future she sees. It is my fondest wish. "

reader wrote on Nov 8, 2008 11:27 AM:

" wyngyrl: Palin can't go back and take post graduate courses before 2012 because she doesn't have a graduate degree. It took her 5 years ('82 to '87) and 5 colleges to get her Bachelors degree. She doesn't even have a masters degree; and she had the audacity to think she was prepared for candidacy?

She definitly needs to go back and take English 101 and learn how to speak a grammarically correct and full sentence.

Can you imagine her speaking to foreign diplomates as VP? If you think foreigners laugh at us now just be thankful the Palin is out of sight for at least 4 more years. "

napanabroad wrote on Nov 8, 2008 12:56 PM:

" All I hear is vitriol hatred and condescending remarks. I am sure many of you couldn’t pinpoint the Maghreb on a map let alone define the CIS or CEE. And BTW, Africa is a country, it is called S. Africa.

I grew up in Napa and now work in the Middle East at a sovereign wealth fund. Why, because the US is killing itself by turning itself into slow growth, big government Socialist Europe. This new administration is on a fast track there

On a side note, the 10% drop after the election was investors dumping US assets because of Obama’s rhetoric. Your growth will stall under his administration, like it does everywhere else in the world when government begins to play a large role.

Sarah Palin was a breath of fresh air in a stale world. She may not have had the polish of Obama, but she was far more real. She believes in small government, self determination, low taxes and a strong commitment to family values. I like the vast majority of Americans believe in the same.

She energized many people like me….people who believe that people should make decisions, not the government and it is better to incentivize people rather than patronize them.

She does not believe in government dependence, high taxes, and an anything goes culture. I was an independent until I saw the REAL democrat agenda of hatred and fear of dissenting voices.

If Ms. Palin decides to run in 2012 against the “Chosen One”, she will receive as much support from free thinking Americans as Obama did from the Kool-aid drinking masses. I for one hope she does run, I will donate heavily as will other conservative Napans, who believe in America and its founding principles. "

49er wrote on Nov 8, 2008 2:58 PM:

" maybe she should go home and put some lipstick on her dog.........lol! hopefully far away! "

misfit wrote on Nov 8, 2008 4:50 PM:

" I'm not sayin' but...having a high approval rating from people who re-elected a convicted felon to Senator doesn't say much about their standards. "

Raven wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:30 PM:

" napanabroad.......South Africa is a country...Africa is not....living abroad you should be aware of that..

and your explanation of the drop in the Dow is not the one held by the vast majority of analysts....their take was a selling off of assets ahead of anticipated bad economic news this week, such as the earning reports and the new, higher unemployment figures.... "

tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Nov 8, 2008 9:41 PM:

" Anyone that truly believes in the bible and the belief that the earth was created only 6,000 years ago doesn't have the right to be the president or vice president. The president should be in touch with reality. Sarah Palin wasn't "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:18 PM:

" Napanabroad-

Africa is NOT a country, South Africa is. Also, the election is over so you can quit with the tired talking points, lies, and half-truths. If Palin energizes you then great but the majority of the country doesn't agree. From my standpoint the "free thinkers" won the election. "Kool-aid" drinking is just another tired expression that everyone uses to describe anyone that disagrees with them. "

napanabroad wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:11 AM:

" My point exactly, we can argue semantics all day. Whether her Africa statement was a joke, a misstatement or just out of context you are so quick to pounce.

Raven, most analysts are dead wrong and are reactive rather than proactive. They follow the herd as it is too dangerous to stick your neck out negatively. The same goes for portfolio managers who are typically very late into a stocks move. But that is a longer story.

Foreign investors (the life blood of the American credit system) are assessing his statements and so far there is extreme alarm. Capital gains, large social engineering programs….where is all this money going to come from?

Yep, tax increases on businesses and "the wealthy". These are the very sources that create growth and jobs. Guess what? After he raises taxes on these two groups, where will he go to fund all these programs?

Just wait until you get the bill from the auto industry and the airlines.......anyone else we forgot in this bailout? Hospitality industry, Hollywood, Manufacturing?

We will see how the great social experiment works out, but I doubt I will be buying assets in America anytime soon. "

Raven wrote on Nov 9, 2008 7:35 AM:

" so what makes you the expert to say all the others are wrong?...Your credentials? Beside anecdotal evidence, what are your sources?.....and every story I have seen shows no evidence of sovereign funds pulling anything out...

we have seen the era of lowering taxes on business and the wealthy and you can see the current results....more than 750,000 jobs lost so far this year.... "

Sandra wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:30 AM:

" Reader,
You must have a very short memory....Have you forgotten all the acusations of Condaleeza Rice being Bush's "Girl", Or "Aunt Tom". Condi Rice received much venom in her early days. Accusations of low inteligence, being a Bush mouth piece, puppet, not really being black, etc. I think the only thing not similar was attacks about motherhood, as she doesn't have 5 kids...It was as sickening as what has happened to Palin. And I just bet if Palin was in the public's eye as long as Rice has been the nastiness would die down around her also.
Another example of "Proper" liberal feminist venom was what happened to Tammy Bruce. If you do not know her story, pick up a copy of her book, "The Death of Right and Wrong".

Bauhausfan,
She absolutely was joking about Russia....I am amazed at how low people will sink to spread nastiiness...I should be surprised that people of supposed intelligence revel so much in wallowing in the filth of spreading rumor and innuendo. Anyone who would actually think someone is serious in saying they would be good at foriegn relations because they can see Russia from their porch...well it certainly makes me wonder about the I.Q. of that person.
I get Palin's humor because I have a very similar sense of humor. It is too bad so many Palin haters have lost theirs. "

Sandra wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Let's see...
We have people criticising her choice of names, and actually believeing "Zambone" is a serious choice for her next child (if she had another). We have someone putting down her education because she has not achieved a master's degree (seems she been very busy to me, I am amazed at what she has achieved), and we have a person displaying the superiority of thinking they "see" the big picture of the republican agenda better than others, and they want to watch it crash and burn as exampled by "I hope she does lead the party into the future she sees. It is my fondest wish. "
(and if this person is who I think it is...well it's very alarming to me, to say the least). We have another denegrating Alaskans in general (I wonder how Miss Fit even sees Alaska from her high pinnacle of superiority).
I really wonder at the self satisfied attitude displayed here. I wonder if they all look in the mirror every morning and revel in just how special they are. It is not easy to maintain this level of specialness...after all, reality must try to creep in on occasion...But, I guess as long as they maintain their illusion of being so much more enlightened and superior to everyone else they do not notice the dark side they so gleefully display for all to see.
Gosh, makes me proud to be a fellow human being....LOL and this is after their side won...OMG, can you even begin to imagine the whining if they had lost???? "

Joanne wrote on Nov 9, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Sorry, Sandra. You are just flat wrong about the proximity-of-Russia claim being intended as a joke. It was a talking point that was created by the McCain camp to support the notion that Palin actually had some foreign policy credentials. It may have ended up as a joke, but it didn't start out that way.

On the matter of us "small minded feminists" failing to embrace Palin: I think some of the policies that she has implemented while in office, like requiring rape-victims to pay for their own forensic rape kits, when she was mayor of Wasilla may have more to do with our negative view of her than did our "small-mindedness." But then, maybe that's just me bein’ all, ya’ know, “small minded.”

And frankly, Sandra, perhaps a little self-reflection is in order here. For, with all due respect, there are many, many people who participate in these discussions who could just as easily have made this observation about you, based on the consistent tone of your posts on this venue:

“I really wonder at the self satisfied attitude displayed here. I wonder if [she looks] in the mirror every morning and revel[s] in just how special [she is]. It is not easy to maintain this level of specialness...after all, reality must try to creep in on occasion...But, I guess as long as [she maintains her] illusion of being so much more enlightened and superior to everyone else [she does] not notice the dark side [she] so gleefully display[s] for all to see.” "

reader wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Sandra: You are taking all of this a bit too seriously, I think. Those of us who are happy with the election results are still so giddy we just can't help ourselves!

Not to mention our extreme relief for not having to live with one more inarticulate, self absorbed, my-way-or-the-highway, dim light bulb for another 4 years. Whoopi!

The republican party has four years to get it right and make a smart choice for the next election. I really don't think they will choose to self-distruct a second time, by picking Palin. She had her chance, she blew it, she's done. "

bettye wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:28 PM:

" I am somewhat confused at Palin's remarks about the media and McCain's staff who have critized her .. she has called them "jerks" and seemed truly surprised at the "lies" being told .. Maybe now she can feel what Obama felt when she was spreading the lies about him .. Notice, he kept the high road and didn't get upset and is now reaching out to the McCain bunch.. she needs to take a lesson from our new PRESIDENT and just get on with her life (preferably in Alaska)... "

wipemedown wrote on Nov 9, 2008 3:51 PM:

" The republican party war cry of this election was were just a buch of dumb hicks......but were right, and it didn't work. So sad too bad. Turns out the democrats had a better campaign. On the criticism of the palin camp its deserved she bellied up to bar. Anyone willing to become President or VP knows half the country will hate them regardless of party "

Sandra wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Sure Joanne...whatever you say....The best offense has always been considered the best defense by those throwing stones. I have not thrown one stone towards the Obama campaign. I have stuck to the issues around him that concerned me. I have not stooped to wallow in rumor and innuendo, or spread gossip. Now that he is elected I hope and pray he does a good job, and proves my misgivings wrong.
So with all due respect towards you, I would ask you to read this blog in its entirety, and then deny the tone has been small minded, or not shown people to continue to be very sore winners.
I am just astounded by the behavior exhibited by the winners. It is a sad reflection on them. You can claim that me pointing out this very disapointing behavior is engaging in the same behavior, if you want. After all, you have a right to your opinion. I however disagree with your point.

I heard Palin in an interview about the Russian remark, and she said that while she was "Joking" about the foriegn relation experience by having Russia so close, that she was aware of how small the world was by being able to see Russia. Now why everyone ran with this as a reason to denegrate her is beyond me. It is the same kind of behavior people displayed about Obama and the 57 states remark as proof he did not know there was 50.
Did you approve of that or think it was valid?

To Reader (also)
I object to this double standard, especially from feminists towards a fellow woman. I take this behavior seriously, because it is just nasty and wrong. "

Sandra wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:59 PM:

" Reader,
I also like a good joke, probably better than the next guy. I thought the comment about going home to put lipstick on her dog was funny, or going home to name her next children rake, pruple, and maverick.....now that is funny also...BUT, I do not think inferring all Alaskans are stupid is funny. It is mean spirited. It is the mean spirited small minded comments I object to. There have been far too many. And yes I do take it seriously. The childish comments mainly reflect on those making them. I do not care if people are giddy, or not. Giddy should equal happy, not mean and childish. There is a wolf pack mentality being displayed on this blog by those who should be giddy and happy. You don't find that the least little bit sad? "

misfit wrote on Nov 9, 2008 6:12 PM:

" I'm all for just leaving the woman alone at this point. However, she was about as mean spirited as one could get when she came on the scene and immediately began spewing her venom on Barack Obama. I mean, did she really even know anything about him and to simply begin quoting Sean Hannity on a daily basis was a bit, disingenuous. I felt she personally had no basis for what she was saying about him. I can understand the residual animosity toward her from the left but, at this point she is irrelevant. She's got a lot of homework to do in order to resurrect her political aspirations and a lot of hard feelings to overcome within her own party. No one wants to align with a loser. Leave her alone. Maybe she's learned something...one thing being, how NOT to campaign. "

misfit wrote on Nov 9, 2008 6:25 PM:

" You know what Sandra...when the potential Vice President of the United States describes herself as a "Redneck", what is one to think? And yes, the people of Alaska are close to re-electing Senator Ted Stevens, a corrupt politician and a convicted felon. What does that say about them? Why are you offended when those things are pointed out? "

reader wrote on Nov 9, 2008 6:40 PM:

" Sandra: I think you meant to send your message to someone else. I never said Alaskans are stupid, nor would I ever say such a thing.

I did compare Palin to inarticulate, dim light bulb Bush. "

watchin&listenin wrote on Nov 9, 2008 7:51 PM:

" Can't wait for her to just go away and it won't happen fast enough. Believe it or not most middle americ have been dumbed down so much they are believed in her because she is pretty. Palin proved pretty doesn't equal smart. Let's hope they realized that too.... "

Joanne wrote on Nov 9, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Sandra, from Palin's interview with Katie Couric, strong evidence that Palin wasn't joking about that "Alaska thing," even if – as you claim -- she did try to subsequently [re]frame it as a joke.

“Couric: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. It's funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don't know, you know … reporters.

Couric: Mocked?

Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.

Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.

Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there…

Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.”

On throwing stones: you, Sandra, live in a glass house. Go back and read your own posts. "Small minded unwritten rules" looks and feels like a stone to me, as does much of what you have additionally posted here. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 9, 2008 8:51 PM:

" And speaking of "mean girls," according to an article by Tim Shipman of The Telegraph UK: "Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama's patriotism provoked a spike in death threats against the future president, Secret Service agents revealed during the final weeks of the campaign. The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of 'palling around with terrorists', citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers. The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling 'terrorist' and 'kill him.' until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks."

So let’s be honest about this: Her behavior went beyond mean. It was actually dangerously inflammatory. It’s no wonder so many of the comments on this Web page reflect a less than charitable attitude toward Governor Palin.

What’s that old saying again? Oh, yeah: You reap what you sow. I’d say, by comparison, even if everyone of the negative comments about her that have been offered here are considered altogether, they still fall far short of the inflammatory rhetoric that she dished out during the campaign. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:53 PM:

" In our country there lots of living Americans who remember where they were when they heard that JFK was shot.

In our country there lots of living Americans who remember where they were when they heard that MLK was shot.

In our country there lots of living Americans who remember where they were when they heard that RFK was shot.

It is NOT OK to stir up the lunatic fringe to kill political opponents... NOT EVEN if you are a Republican.

~Ruff "

bubble wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:56 PM:

" Joanne, you rock.

The nomination of Sarah Palin as VP was the nail in the coffin, so to speak, for this life long Republican woman. I proudly voted for Barack Hussein Obama.

I do not think that I have left the Republican Party; it is the party who has left me.

Napanabroad, thank you for looking back in on your old home town paper, but please do not spread (or try to confirm) misinformation that Africa is a country. It kind of wrecks your credibility. "

Bauhausfan wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:52 AM:

" The Republican party is going to purge, so to speak, the remaining moderate elements that contaminate the conservative values it is based upon. At least, according to what, the party leader are saying now.

To put it in a nutshell, they believe they lost because they weren't conservative enough. What do they base that on? Not the exit poll questions that were asked of voters priorities, but on their own conviction and knowledge.

I sincerely hope they purge those moderate elements and make the party even more extremist that it already is. See, in their minds, the Bush years have been wonderful and fantastic and history will proof them right. They really and truly believe this. Chew on that thought for a moment and ask yourself what kind of person could think that. "

Bauhausfan wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:00 AM:

" "Republicans' authoritarian rule can also be characterized by its striking incivility and intolerance toward those who do not view the world as Republicans do. Their insufferable attitude is not dangerous in itself, but it is employed to accomplish what they want, which it to take care of themselves and those who work to keep them in power.

Authoritarian conservatives are primarily anti-government, except where they believe the government can be useful to impose moral or social order (for example, with respect to matters like abortion, prayer in schools, or prohibiting sexually-explicit information from public view). Similarly, Republicans' limited-government attitude does not apply regarding national security, where they feel there can never be too much government activity - nor are the rights and liberties of individuals respected when national security is involved. Authoritarian Republicans do oppose the government interfering with markets and the economy, however -- and generally oppose the government's doing anything to help anyone they feel should be able to help themselves."

The excerpt above was written by John Dean. It is a good summary of the ideology of the extreme right wing, which you can now call the Republican party. "

jefferson wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:13 AM:

" She's looking into a Pallin-Quayle ticket. "

Sandra wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:12 AM:

" Reader,
I did not mean to infer that you were the one saying Alaskans were stupid. That was Miss Fit, up to her usual .....well civil words escape me here.
I was addressing you saying I was taking the giddiness too seriously. I was using that as an example of what was giddy. I was pointing out to you that I did not find wolf pack mentality akin to giddy, that was all.
And it does not surprise me in the least that the wolves did not even take pause but continue to chew on Palin with giddy abandon.

Bauhausfan,
I have a recommendation for you. Pick up Tammy Bruce's book, "The Death or Right, and Wrong". There is quite a bit on group think, and how the democratic party has veered so extremely to the left, that many of us former liberals are now being called republicans by the same left. Group think is very interesting, and it abounds here. "

grape wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Joanne, it has not been proven that anyone said "kill him"...they have tried to confirm the rumor but they cannot.

Secondly, there are still a lot of people who believe Obama is not who he claims to be. He really did have friendships with many radicals and that's a fact. I guess it all depends on what you personally think is radical.

Becoming President Elect does not automatically prove Obama didn't associate with the wrong crowd and that Palin was lying...it just means a lot of people don't care or don't believe the associations and voted for the man.

I for one don't trust him and my feeling comes from many hours of research on the man, not from Palin saying he associated with radicals. "

JimClark wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:32 PM:

" Again. Sarah Palin is not a Republican. To my mind she is a conservative. Any Real American should have ready access to the writings of The Federalist; what is that? If you don’t know, find it.

James Madison’s offering in his offering that became the Federalist number 5 explained differences between “factions” and true philosophy. In my humble opinion Sarah Palin is a philosophical Conservative as opposed to a factional republican. I could not in proper philosophical conscience vote for either “party” (faction). Both political parties have been and continue to be on self-destruct. That affects us all; The People our Constitution considered us to be and become. karl marx referred to us as the “people”; most marxists do. That demeans the individual and that has given the American People status unworthy of The Law of our land; no matter how factions abuse and misinterpret our Constitution. What is so wrong being a “soccer” Mom? To my mind, Sarah Palin is a fleeting moment that needs to be captured and retained. Feminism is definitely Not some 1980s political guilt trip created by a faction. "

reason-ator wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:45 PM:

" So Palin made negative comments about Obama, and it was wrong because it inspired people to make death threats.

But it's OK to spew hatred here, because it just inspires love and not anger. I can tell. "

Raven wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:26 PM:

" JimClark....you might tell palin she isnt a Republican....she is on her way to Florida this week to attend the Republican Governor's Conference

as for 'the people' show me a politician anywhere who does not refer to 'the people'....demeaning? Naw....because as much as we would like to espouse our rugged individualism, we are a part of a larger group, the people.. "

napanabroad wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Raven: I know it is the internet, but gee whiz. I will save you from listing my credentials, I think it is in really bad form.

But since you insist on "proof" (already old news once it hits any form of the media). Morgan Stanley's report 2 days ago highlighted 25%+ losses in Sov funds.

Its conclusion: “We cannot rule out some SWFs becoming sellers of risky assets.”----between the lines----US equities.

But, I really cold care less if you believe me or not.

As for the 750,000 jobs. How many have been created since 2001? It is the business cycle Raven and due to some poor choices by home owners, banks, and the politicians that pushed for agressive lending and the idea EVERYONE should own a house whether you can afford it or not.

If someone would have asked you how the economy was in mid 2007, what factors would you have credited?

Bungle: Thanks, America and Napa are special places on the globe. I was arguing context and symantics, but I can see it went right over some peoples heads. I apologize if I confused anyone. "

a teacher wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:47 PM:

" I would like to see examples of people "spewing hatred" against Gov. palin. Redicule and derision, certainly has been sent her way, but hatred?

During this campaign Obama has been called a terrorist (we're at war with terrorists) and a muslim (we're at war with those, too). He has been acused of consorting with all manner of people (inspite of clear evidence to the contrary). He has been the subject of numerous death threats. The level of demogogry on the part of McCain and particularly Palin has been astounding.

I won't argue that the left has been unkind to the Governor, but mostly they have made fun of her, a far more effective tool. That is not the same as hate. "

Raven wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:12 PM:

" the business cycle...the normal business cycle..that is what your saying,,...since we have now have the feds saying it is a recession I wouldn't call this a normal business cycle.....

and in the 8 years of the Bush administration we are still behind the number of jobs created in the Clinton administration, a net gain of 22.4 million vs a net gain over just over 5 million so far ...how was the economy in 2007, if you were wealthy great....but the incomes for the middle and lower classes continued to fall as the number of job losses continued to rise...so I would have said and did say it was lousy....

Regarding the SWF's...the total paper losses may reach 25 percent but no here in the Morgan Stanley report released today does it say they are selling....the losses are due to a number of factors, including lower oil prices and the general decline in the markets overall...

have a great day "

Joanne wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:32 PM:

" Grape, even if I were to concede that any of those were valid arguments in their own right, which I do not, not one of them considered alone, nor all of them taken together justifies Palin's repeated efforts to incite the fear and hatred for Obama among the crowds at her rallies, nor the television audiences that the broadcast of her speeches at those rallies also subsequently reached, that she was clearly striving for. "

misfit wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:35 PM:

" Get off my case Sandra. I never said Alaskans were stupid. I pointed out that they had low standards for their elected officials as evidenced by their re-electing Ted Stevens. That does not equate to stupid. Where did I call them stupid??? "

TINAMAC wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:43 AM:

" Sarah Palin for President.

2012/2016/2020 ..... she is young, ambitious, HAS A BACKBONE, and moral fortitude.

No wonder the media hates her! "

Sandra wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Regarding, misfit wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:35 PM: "" Get off my case Sandra....."
You can dish this venom out, but you do not care to be called on it?

" Where are Deewaaayne and Kevin? "

" I'm not sayin' but...having a high approval rating from people who re-elected a convicted felon to Senator doesn't say much about their standards. "
" I'm all for just leaving the woman alone at this point. However, she was about as mean spirited as one could get when she came on the scene and immediately began spewing her venom.......No one wants to align with a loser."
"And yes, the people of Alaska are close to re-electing Senator Ted Stevens, a corrupt politician and a convicted felon. What does that say about them? "

You know Misfit, I would love an answer to that...What exactly does it say about Alaskans? And while you are at it, what does this say about you? "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:38 AM:

" Seriously though, What DOES that say about Alaska? It's kind of weird to elect a convicted felon who is soon to be going to prison. Unless of course they were being strategic knowing that when he goes to prison the REPUBLICAN Governor gets to appoint a new Senator that will surely be Republican. Unfortunately I wouldn't give the voting public that much credit in ANY state. "

Hawaiian0712 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:02 AM:

" I think that she needs to go back to Alaska and re-educate herself on national and world politics. I probably would've voted for McCain if I knew that he had someone running with him who was qualified for the job. "

reader wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:48 AM:

" She's baaaack! The Palin is back on the campaign trail doing CNN, FOX, Larry King, Today Show, MSNBC, and more, with more promised to come!

My favorite Palin line, "I'm like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door.. . Even if it's cracked up a little bit, maybe I'll plow right on through that and maybe prematurely plow through it. . . And if there is an open door in 2012 or (she hesitates here)four years later (she couldn't add up to 2016 quick enough), and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door."

Another of my favorites:
When the Palin was questioned about her record and credibility she blamed and lashed out at "bloggers sitting in their parents' basement, wearing their pajamas."

Excuse me? Does she really think that it was NOT intelligent, educated, hard working younger and older adults who voted her ticket down, but instead kids in pajamas, blogging in their parents basement?? HA!

This woman needs a comedy show, she'd be a HUGE success.

Go Palin! Keep those interviews "comin." PLEASE run again in 2012 for another guaranteed republican defeat! We love you! Yea, like, you betcha! "

reader wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:56 AM:

" Someone help me here; you cannot vote if you are a convicted felon, right? But you can run for, win, and be seated in public office? Does that mean Steven's couldn't even vote for himself, but still he can win?

What's wrong with this picture? Seriously, can someone clear this up for me? "

misfit wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:35 PM:

" Sandra...Are you stalking me???

The original post that I responded to stated that Sarah Palin's approval ratings were high. My response was that Alaskans' voted for a convicted felon, (Ted Steven's), the point beng that their standards are low for their politicians. Was my math wrong?

As to your question regarding what does it say about me; Everything I state in my posts is true and accurate. The secret service has stated that threats to Obama went up after Palin began campaiging on his "Palling around with terrorists" rhetoric. I call that spewing venom...that kind that could get someone killed.
Another point I'd like to make...I hardly take anything so seriously on this site. It's a way to play with anonimity and to say things a bit on the edge at times.
I hardly take myself so seriously as you do, evidenced by your incessant number of postings. They should hire you at the NVR. You'd be a tireless employee. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:12 PM:

" Jim Clark: You are confusing ideology with partisan preference.

What makes you a Republican is checking the little box on the voter registration form next to "Republican Party." Presumably, Sarah Palin has done that. So yes, she is, indeed, a Republican. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:19 PM:

" Reader, I understand your reasoning here, which is otherwise quite sound and I'm not sure how it works in Alaska, but in California, for example, convicted felons are only barred from voting if they are in prison or still on parole. Once they have completed their sentences, they are once again eligible to vote . Since Stevens is not yet in prison and his case, I believe, is under appeal, he would -- I think -- at least under California rules, still be eligible to vote. "

reader wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Joanne, got it. Thanks. "

Bill wrote on Nov 11, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Aw com'on guys she is beautiful, what a great squeeze. No body voted for her mind. "

AKNRA wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:23 AM:

" Such hating from the very people who profess a desire for equal rights; women, women, women, why are you hating on Governor Palin? Could it be feminine envy? Or is it the fact that she doesn't support the sacred democrat mantra of abortion on demand? Did I get that right ladies? Quit dissin your sister! "

TINAMAC wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:07 AM:

" AKNRA! Thanks for callin it as I was seeing it! EXASPERATING ISN'T IT! "

Sandra wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:07 AM:

" AKNRA,
That and more. She is a successful woman with a supportive husband, a large family, who is a Governor. How did she get there? Through hard work and ability. Now from this feminists perspective, that is an acomplishment that should be applauded. I disagree with many of her personal choices, but I will defend her right to make them, as she has the same freedoms as I do.

I've mentioned before the book called "The Death of Rght and Wrong". It is a interesting read and gives a lot of insight to this phenomena of women turning on their own. But, it is not just limited to women, but to most of the extreme left, and to be fair, the extreme right. It talks about Group Think, which is shown to be alive and well on this blog.

I saw the same interview Reader saw, but without my group think glasses on. I saw a whole different interview.

Even the reactions of those called on their behavior is textbook group think reaction.

We are losing the ability to think individually and critically. It is really sad. "

JimClark wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:32 AM:

" Joanne: I stand by my comment. Sarah Palin is a true conservative. Republicans are so scattered they cannot understand why they cannot choose front runners. True Conservatives (as opposed to republicans) see Sarah Palin as a viable candidate. Some might say she hitched her wagon to a falling star however, she should become a person to be reckoned within the future. Mentalities and media may assault her but I wonder where the feminists are??? "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:44 AM:

" Whoops! Sorry, typo.

The first line of my last post was actually meant to read:

"AKNRA, first of all, the proper use of the word in that context is Democratic, not 'democrat.'" "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:06 AM:

" JimClark: You are still confusing ideology with partisan preference. You can be -- as you refer to it -- a "true conservative" or some other kind of conservative, or not conservative at all and still be a Republican. The party that you choose to identify with, if you choose to do so at all, is a personal choice. Generally speaking, those who choose to identify with the Republican Party lean more to the ideological Right than those who choose to identify with the Democratic Party (who tend to lean more ideologically to the Left). But that -- as aforementioned -- is only generally true. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Here is an amended version of my earlier attempted post that, apparently, was disallowed by the moderators in its original form:

AKNRA, first of all, the proper use of the word in that context is Democratic, not "democrat."

Next: Sarah Palin is no sister of mine. Any woman who could put in place a policy that requires rape victims to pay for their own forensic exam kits clearly does not have the best interests of women at heart.

And talk about dissin' your sisters! It is both chauvinistic, shallow, and “simple” to view women as driven to their disapproval of Sarah Palin primarily by -- as you call it -- "feminine envy." "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:00 PM:

" Oh, and JimClark: Some might also say (and many have said) she was the falling star that that wagon got hitched to. "

esanoche wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Quoting Andrew Sullivan,

"Let's be real in a way the national media seems incapable of: this person should never have been placed on a national ticket in a mature democracy. She was incapable of running a town in Alaska competently. The impulsive, unvetted selection of a total unknown, with no knowledge of or interest in the wider world, as a replacement president remains one of the most disturbing events in modern American history. That the press felt required to maintain a facade of normalcy for two months - and not to declare the whole thing a farce from start to finish - is a sign of their total loss of nerve. That the Palin absurdity should follow the two-term presidency of another individual utterly out of his depth in national government is particularly troubling. 46 percent of Americans voted for the possibility of this blank slate as president because she somehow echoed their own sense of religious or cultural "identity". Until we figure out how this happened, we will not be able to prevent it from happening again. And we have to find a way to prevent this from recurring.
It happened because John McCain is an incompetent and a cynic and reckless beyond measure. To have picked someone he'd only met once before, without any serious vetting procedure, revealed McCain as an utterly unserious character, a man whose devotion to the shallowest form of political gamesmanship trumped concern for his country's or his party's interest. " "

Joanne wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:58 PM:

" Esanoche, I'd like to add a post script to your post, if I may:

Andrew Sullivan is a man whom many would consider to be a "true conservative." "

luv1mom wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Andrew Sullivan nailed it. "

reader wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:53 PM:

" It is not just the democrates who question the Palin's credentials. This just in today:

Amy Holmes, a CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR on CNN, said
"We saw sassy Sarah, sexy Sarah. Hopefully over the next four years, we'll see smart Sarah. From CNN's "Larry King Live." "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:52 PM:

" Many people were insulted that she was chosen for such a high position. It has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with her lack of knowledge on issues outside of Alaska. It was embarrassing to be honest. The whole selection of her was just a ploy to gain the votes of women and Hillary supporters. No Presidential candidate would choose a running mate that he knows nothing about and had literally just met unless it was simply a poorly thought out strategy. "

antipc wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:54 PM:

" Sarah is a winner & she will prove it in the future. Two years of Obama, Pelosi, & Reid will make believers of the moderates.

Personal attacks by the Sarah haters are the best they've got. Obama's historical record along with his future ineptitude will make her a powerful force. "

grape wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:24 PM:

" I think Palin's reputation started being trashed during the convention, where some republican men were wearing buttons saying the Governor was Hot. Very demeaning I thought. Women have worked for years to be respected for their work as opposed to their sexuality.

She was continued to be looked upon as a sex object, someone that couldn't be both smart and pretty. Then the media set her up to destroy her.

The women who believed the only reason McCain picked Palin was because she was a woman and not for her years as a Governor, didn't want to be looked at as being stupid enough to fall for such a trick but the truth is Palin actually had a lot to offer the ticket but they were so worried of looking dumb they voted for Obama. Dumb. "

antipc wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:03 AM:

" More bad news for you Sarah haters. The whole Africa is a country story was made up. See FOX news website for details.

Feel a little silly? "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:10 AM:

" Antipc-

Not as silly as you will feel when you go back and actually read the article you sighted. Nice try though! lol "

antipc wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:42 AM:

" Try reading the AP story, " MSNBC retracts fales Palin story. "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:05 AM:

" LOL

Seriously Antipc, READ the story. Either one. No where does it say that the Africa is a country story is made up. "

Raven wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:31 AM:

" amazing what you find when you read the entire story.... "

Joanne wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM:

" Antipc: Hear Ye/Raven have you on this one. The AP story, in pertinent part: "The hoax was limited to the identity of the source in the story about Palin -- not the FOX News story itself. While Palin has denied that she mistook Africa for a country, the veracity of that report was not put in question by the revelation that Eisenstadt [who was apparently the inaccurately named source of the story] is a phony."

Disclosure: I added the text in the brackets for clarity. It did not appear in the original AP article.

And taking the view that Palin was not qualified for the office she was seeking is vastly different than being a "Sarah hater." I don't hate the woman at all. In fact, I actually admire some things about her. Among other things, her political instinct is uncanny and it is hard not to admire her "chutzpah." But I don't thing she is ready for, and therefore don't want her in a position that places her but a heartbeat away from the most powerful office on the planet. Maybe she'll grow and learn and become more qualified with the passing of time, but I don't think she's there yet. If that does happen, it is still not likely that I would vote for her, because she has a vastly different worldview than I do. But I won’t continue to criticize her lack of readiness for the job if she has demonstrated that that is no longer an issue at some time in the future. Labeling everyone who criticizes a candidate as a “(fill in the name here) hater” is unfair, inaccurate, and suggests a close-mindedness on the part of the person indiscriminately applying that label. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:19 PM:

" Misfit, wanting to make clear right off the bat that this is offered with an entirely different intent here than "that other poster" had in mind when she got her knickers all up in a twist over your earlier post that touched on this topic, I am most delighted to report that it is beginning to appear as though you may have judged Alaskan voters a bit too harshly (or said more accurately, perhaps, too prematurely) after all. For last time I checked, BEGICH HAD PULLED AHEAD OF STEVENS BY WHAT IS NOW AN 817 VOTE MARGIN in the ongoing count for that Senate race! But wait, there’s more!

As I understand it, the remaining ballots to be counted there are overwhelmingly "early voting" and provisional ballots, which -- based on the voting patterns virtually everywhere else -- are almost certain to have been cast in disproportionately greater numbers by Democratic and/or otherwise pro-Obama (and, thus, likely also anti-Stevens) voters. So the probability is extremely high that Begich will continue to increase his lead over Stevens all the way up to the end of the count.

Looks like another win goes into the “D” column, which has the additional benefit of blocking any fast-track attempt by Palin to almost immediately hopscotch her way into the U.S. Congress by way of a square vacated by an elected-then-removed-from-office-by-an-alternative-process-Stevens.

It seems there may really be an “Election God” after all. So I am now finding it increasingly more difficult by the minute to overcome the temptation to dare to dream next of an upset in the Minnesota Senate race.

Senator Al Franken. It has such a nice ring to it, no? It trips off the tongue almost as nicely as does “FORMER Minnesota Senator Norm Coleman.” "

ADark1 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:31 PM:

" I guess, if its god's will, she'll bully, lie, and manupilate any way she can to find the TOP spot on the pubbie ticket...Just ask her she's already stated this herself!''

Personally, I would think she could use a little humble and crow pie! "

Rocco wrote on Nov 14, 2008 5:39 AM:

" I’m not surprised at the number of detractors spewing their vitriol in Gov Palin’s direction. The growing horde of moral relativists: anything goes, no accountability, if it feels good get someone else to pay for it crowd absolutely HATE on folks like Sarah. Like a frustrated Bill Cosby, calling people higher, these folks hang it out there and are forced to endure the piñata whacks of public opinion. Who cares that many left-leaning feminists who have actually spent time with Gov. Palin thinks she’s wonderful…who cares about the lies in the media and that the “Africa” story was a flagrant hoax believed by only the most insipid…like you-know-whats standing up to the Orkin Man, many here will continue to hate her because she’s everything that they’re not…plain and simple. The moral and intellectual vacuum is astonishing "

Joanne wrote on Nov 14, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Rocco, first I say to you what I have already stated in response to another poster's all-inclusive use of the term "hater" here:

Viewing Palin as unqualified for the office she was seeking is vastly different than being a "Sarah hater." I don't hate the woman at all. In fact, I actually admire some things about her. Among other things, her political instinct is uncanny and it is hard not to admire her "chutzpah." But I don't think she is ready for, and therefore don't want her in a position that places her but a heartbeat away from the most powerful office on the planet. Maybe she'll grow and learn and become more qualified with the passing of time, but I don't think she's there yet. If that does happen, it is still not likely that I would vote for her, because she has a vastly different worldview than I do. But I won’t continue to criticize her lack of readiness for the job if she has demonstrated that that is no longer an issue at some time in the future. Labeling everyone who criticizes a candidate as a “(fill in the name here) hater” is unfair, inaccurate, and suggests a close-mindedness on the part of the person indiscriminately applying that label.

On the matter of those "many left-leaning feminists" you speak of, who think Governor Palin is "wonderful," kindly name a few, please.

And as described in the AP (source) article "THE HOAX WAS LIMITED TO THE IDENTITY OF THE SOURCE IN THE STORY ABOUT PALIN -- NOT THE FOX NEWS STORY ITSELF. While Palin has denied that she mistook Africa for a country, THE VERACITY OF THAT REPORT WAS NOT PUT IN QUESTION BY THE REVELATION THAT EISENSTADT IS A PHONY." "

14obama wrote on Nov 14, 2008 10:57 AM:

" I like Sarah but not as VP. She is a very nice woman who should put some more moose on the table for her family. Politics and family don't mix too well. She should concentrate on motherhood a more fulfilling life. "

antipc wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:16 PM:

" So the fact that Eisenstadt is a proven liar & phony should give me reason to belive that ONLY the source was wrong?

I don't think so. "

Rocco wrote on Nov 14, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Dear Joanne,
Please forgive me if I unfairly swept you up as a mere “hater.”
You asked for left-leaning feminists that support Gov. Palin and at the risk of subjecting these women to the scrutiny of the far left “I love free speech as long as it’s MY speech.” crowd, here are two. Elaine Lafferty is the past editor of Ms. Magazine and after spending an extended period of time with her felt that Sarah Palin was an extremely intelligent woman. Shelly Mandell, serving as the LA Chapter Pres for NOW, introduced her as an example of what the Feminist Movement was all about. Now, I’ll admit that I never have met Sarah Palin. So, on what basis do I decide if she is qualified to be our leader? Do I base it on blog postings, SNL comedy sketches, and highly biased interviews like the rest of the media-suckling drones? Or do I do a little reading on my own and listen to honest fair-minded reasonable people that actually know her? Umm... "

grape wrote on Nov 14, 2008 3:43 PM:

" 14obama, I think Obama is a nice man but he needs to concentrate more on his family. Like you said politics and family don't mix too well. He should concentrate on fatherhood, a more fulfilling life.

That makes about as much sense as your comment about Governor, yes she is a Governor not a community organizer, Palin. "

Rocco wrote on Nov 14, 2008 3:46 PM:

" P.S. 14Obama just exposed him/herself for what they really are. This person is obviously a mean spirited Republican shill trying to make Dems look inane…Please give it up 14Obama; they do a good job of looking silly and sexist all by themselves. "

msdemo wrote on Nov 14, 2008 5:21 PM:

" Away, away, away back to her snowy home!! "

reader wrote on Nov 14, 2008 5:49 PM:

" I agree, Palin has chutzpah. To have true chutzpah is to be insolent, to have audacity, and to be "one who over-steps the boundaries of accepted behavior with no shame" (Webster).

What may appear on the surface of one's behavior to be admirable (chutzpah) is, in reality, an over compensation for a perceived or real short-coming, which one is attempting to draw attention from. Those with true chutzpah are often not well balanced individuals.

My own suspicion is that Palin has either a serious dyslexic disability or she has narcissistic disorder. There is nothing wrong with having either. However, both can produce dangerous results when they are not properly understood and/or treated/compensated for.

Those with dyslexia often learn success stratagies that don't require reading and/or writing, and which frequently includes the development of a rewarding and winning personality, which can be fascinating and confusing at the same time. This would explain Palin's lack of academic success, marginal grades in high school and college, and her inability to cite any of her reading material.

Narcissism reflects one who has a grandiose sense of self-importance and entitlement. Symptoms include:
A tendency to be attracted to leadership or high-profile positions, often without sufficient achievement to back it up.
A pattern of alternating between unrealistic idealization of others and equally unrealistic devaluation of them
Hypersensitivity to criticism.
Exploitative towards others and takes advantage of them, often valuing others based on their usefulness.
Strongly opinionated, viewing people and issues through a lense of black/white, right/wrong, good/bad.

In my opinion, Palin does not have the country's best interest at heart, but only that of herself. Being a successful politician does not always equate to being a good polititian. "

grape wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:12 PM:

" reader, your description of Narcissism fits B. Obama perfectly. Before picking on Palin, maybe one should examine the traits of the President elect. "

Reality Check wrote on Nov 14, 2008 10:24 PM:

" Me thinks the Orkin Man missed a few! "

Joanne wrote on Nov 15, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Reader, some are so driven by their desire for self-advancement that just about everything they do in life has a manipulative, overreaching, exploitive, aren’t-I-terrific and boy-do-I-deserve-this-and-more quality to it; always pushing and shoving their way to the front of the line, inserting themselves in a highly visible way into self-aggrandizing, attention-grabbing situations, always watchful for any window of self-serving opportunity to open, always in pursuit of relationships with “high value” social contacts. Transparently, shamelessly, stunningly ambitious. (When I was a kid, we called these types “climbers.” And everyone in town knew who the “climbers” were.)

Merriam-Webster Online defines “chutzpah” simply as “supreme self-confidence,” which some “climbers” do indeed have. But most of the people I know with ”chutzpah” are not “climbers.”

Considering that what constitutes "stepping over the boundaries of accepted behavior with no shame" is highly dependent on the beholder, sometimes a little "chutzpah" is a good thing. Thank heavens, for example, for the women who were willing to shamelessly step over what, to many at the time, were the boundaries of accepted behavior to finally bring about women's suffrage. Or that Rosa Parks had the courage to do likewise on that bus in Montgomery decades ago. Or that a man who was born of a union between two people who shamelessly stepped beyond the boundaries of accepted behavior more than forty-five years ago to marry across racial lines, a man who "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills," had the audacity to think that an African American could make a serious run for the office of President of these United States and then seek to make that happen.

Yes, I do, indeed, think that sometimes a little boundary-trampling “chutzpah” is a very good thing. "

AKNRA wrote on Nov 15, 2008 4:32 PM:

" Joanne, what do mean by "AKNRA, first of all, the proper use of the word in that context is Democratic, not 'democrat.'" Just where DID I make that comment in this thread? "

misfit wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:05 AM:

" I'm sure we have all experienced working for bad managers. When someone is overmatched for the job, they tend to surround themselves with "Yes" people who come to enjoy their new positions and their own sense of power. These "inner circle" tend to be tattlers, reporting everything back to the queen bee and taking much pride in their "work". The bad manager is generally a controlling, micro-manager, so insecure that strong employees actually intimidate them. No one is allowed to speak their mind or utulize their own creativity or feel that they are accomplishing or adding any value to the work. Ultimately, good people leave and what remains is a very sick, toxic environment where most of what is accomplished is feeding the ego of these remaining inner circle beings. I believe this is the type of "Leader" Sarah Palin is and would be. "

reader wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Joanne, No need to defend yourself and my apology if I offended you. "Chutzpah" has many uses and meanings. I was only putting my "Palin twist" on it. In other words, if Palin has chutzpah, it is not your kind of chutzpah, in my opinion. So, again this was not about you so rest easy, my friend. "

ADark1 wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:23 PM:

" Seems I've noticed since the election there's talk of *sore winners* What about the sore losers? How on earth can President Elect Obama ( nice roll on the tongue there) be NOW held responsible for the Dow falling because he WON? What about stating where the true responsibilty lays?

I've noticed not one of the *usual suspects* have admitted to seeing the Ayers Interview on CNN.

That interview would prove out my previous statement that Ayers didn;t know Obama but was doing a political favor for someone else!

All of the accusations that have been made have been slowly but surely being proven false concerning Obama. How about waiting until he's sworn into office before attributing all the USA's Problems he has to NOW clean up?

As far as Palin goes? I truly believe the tatters of the OLD Republican Guard will NOT allow her to take the reins of the Party and lead it. Not because they may or may not be sexist, but because she isn't capable. The repubs have many stars and it all boils down to Palin not being the brightest or the best.

When it comes to the Alaskan voters, seems in fact Stevens is LOSING NOT winning as previously thought. I guess my belief on the un - dumbing down of Aericans is proving to be true. I persoanlly do not hate Palin, I just find it insane any thinking voter would want to see her at the top of anyone's ticket for POTUS. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:43 PM:

" AKNRA, in response to your Nov 15, 2008 4:32 PM post, please refer to the text inside the brackets that appears below:

"AKNRA wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:23 AM:

' Such hating from the very people who profess a desire for equal rights; women, women, women, why are you hating on Governor Palin? Could it be feminine envy? Or is it the fact that she doesn't support the [sacred democrat mantra] of abortion on demand? Did I get that right ladies? Quit dissin your sister!'" "

misfit wrote on Nov 17, 2008 5:13 PM:

" "Yes we can" Kevin!
Remember when Grampy McSame was going around yelling, "Stand up! Stand up! Stand up! Fight with me! Fight! Fight with me! It was hilarious as well.
As for Palin...I've found the perfect job for her. She could use her comedic talent, her looks as well as her degree and probably make a boat load of money to boot. How about her being on "The View'? That would be great!! "

AKNRA wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:07 PM:

" Ah yes, thanks Joanne - I recall that post now. Nope. I said and meant the democrat party. The word Democratic is a verb which describe the workings of a system of government. democrat is just the name of a political party.
misfit, those females on The View; a gaggle of so-called caring, compassionate and giving egotistical battleaxes are the best examples of the worst that the democrat culture can scrape from the sides of the trash bin at the rear of your local neighborhood planned parenthood office... "

misfit wrote on Nov 18, 2008 6:56 AM:

" Ooooh AKNRA...such hostility. Take a breath or a tranquilizer or something.
I guess by "Battleaxes," that would include Republican Elizabeth? Also, if you are a male...You should have NO say on the topic of abortion or the choices women make. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:50 AM:

" AKNRA,

On the matter of your Nov 17th "explanation" for your improper use of the word "democrat" in an earlier post to this page:

Under no circumstances that I am aware of in the English language is there a stand-alone word that begins with a capital letter, nor that ends in the suffix "ic" that is also a verb. (I think you are confusing verb -- "a word used to show that an action is taking place..." -- with adjective -- "a word that qualifies or describes a noun or pronoun.")

That notwithstanding, there is no election authority within the United States that recognizes the "democrat party," because it doesn't exist. There is, on the other hand, a Democratic Party that is recognized by elections officials in all fifty states. Perhaps that is the one you are thinking of here. (Sorry, but you do not get to single-handedly rename the Democratic Party to any as-you-wish alternative. So you might as well refer to it correctly.)

In the spirit of bipartisanship, I should probably point out that, similarly, as a practical matter, there is also no such thing as the “republic party” here in the United States… "

AKNRA wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:15 PM:

" misfit, I don’t take tranquilizers; can I borrow one of yours? It takes a male to procreate, so I DO have a say in the issue.
Tell me why then, people say they are a democrat but belong to the Democratic Party when a Republican identifies themselves as a Republican and belong to the Republican Party? I understand that referring to the party that democrats belong to as the democrat party makes them angry; if true, I say… GOOD. "

Joanne wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:11 PM:

" AKNRA,

To fully explain why this is so would require me to delve into far more detail about the linguistic characteristics of the English langauage than this forum would allow for. However, the short answer to your question is this:

In this context, "Democrat" is a noun; "Democratic" is an adjective. (It is the [place the ADJECTIVE “Democratic” Here] Party.) You cannot properly use a noun in the place of an adjective

So, if you have any interest at all in using what I presume to be your native language properly, you should not be using a noun in place of an adjective.

Please also note: In this context, "Republican," on the other hand, is a word that can take either form. "

AKNRA wrote on Nov 24, 2008 6:31 PM:

" Please, DO delve deeper, but it in no way will change my belief in the party of the donkey. Just more of them having it both ways, as usual. "

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