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Reconsidering Bible teachings on same-sex ties
Saturday, November 01, 2008
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In his Oct. 21 letter titled, “Same-sex marriage is morally wrong,” Byron Moats says he is against it on “moral” and “biblical” grounds, based on the New, not the Old Testament. In the Old Testament there are pro and con anecdotes on many precepts, including homosexuality. Showing an idiosyncratic conservative attitude, he says, “marriage has always been defined as a man-woman thing. Why should our generation change what has always been?” Because we do not have to keep on with the practices of the past, such as slavery and stoning adulterers.

In his enlightening booklet, “Self-Contradictions in the Bible,” Jonathan Bell quotes passages that present both pro and con, accepted and unaccepted behavior in the early theocratic Hebrew culture. Moats and most religionists know the con-precepts but not the pro-passages alluding to homosexuality.
One pro-passage is of Saul’s son, Jonathan, who declares his love for David, “The soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David.” (1 Sam. 18:1) who as a lad befriended the boy banished from the village, as had Joseph of the many-colored cloak, who also protected in his youth another boy, accepted, when accused of the same supposed villagers’ unaccepted behavior.

A recent study has shown that a third brother born in a family of boys could likely be homosexual. Could this be Nature’s way of controlling over-populations of various species, by predation, and as seen among many species, by a physical block on excess procreation by homosexuality? Unfortunately, overpopulation has not been realized as a crisis for civilization by traditionalist religions, as it has, by future-concerned science, which has been warning us of an ineluctable “population bomb,” chronically ignored by conservative churchists, in denial. They seem to preach about conception for every coupling, a child-birth for every copulative bungling, and no abortion never.
“On the eve of battle Jonathan strips off his own cloak and tunic, his armor and weaponry and tenderly dresses David in his apparel as a pledge of friendship” (1 Sam 18:4). And when Jonathan is later slain, David elegiacally speaks plainly enough of their bond, “Very pleasant has thou been onto me,” sings David, “thou sweet psalmist of Israel, wonderful was thy love to me, passing the love of women.” (2 Sam 1:26). From this verse, cultural acceptance of sexual diversity and same-sex marriage would seem to be a precept, of tolerance, in the holy book of the Hebrews, in some parts adapted from the theism of the Egyptians’ Book of the Dead, as is the Prayer to Aten of Akhenaton, a precursor of the 29th Psalm.

The homoerotic overtones of David’s life story have been stubbornly ignored by Bible scaldabancos as have the passages about clever, wily, cunning women, brought “out” for us to appreciate in Jonathan Kirsh’s “The Harlot by the Side of the Road.” Past commentators have long celebrated the intrinsic friendship between David and Jonathan as “the ideal male friendship,” but they have refused to acknowledge the possibility that physical as well as spiritual intimacies passed between these two men. “The soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David ...” The lesson here would seem to be for tolerance, not for a sanctimonious “moral” condemnation, or to be judgmental of the behavior of those “other” people to be “wrong.” Peace, love and acceptance are lessons of the Testaments, not divisive prejudice and exclusion, from the village of self-damned, fear-and-hate-frought  evangelicals or fundamentalists. They don’t seem to learn the lesson of acceptance from Abraham, who provisions Ishmael and Isaac when they are banished from the village to the desert by Sarah when she saw them (t’sahak) “fondling” each other. Abraham saw this as a death sentence by Sarah. He accepted them and provisioned them, and that is the lesson, not Sarah’s intolerance. Obama’s inclusiveness is the lesson, not simple Sarah’s divisive sarcasm.
The words of David’s encomium for Jonathan in the Bible were invoked by the daughter of Moshe Dayan, the war hero of Israel, in the Israeli Knesset, over the rights of gay men and women, under Israeli law. She succeeded in raising the ire, and the blood-pressure, of some of her fellow legislators by “outing” David. She argued on the strength of David’s eulogy of Jonathan that the two of them were gay lovers. She won her case. For equal rights for gays from now accepting law-givers who realized that the stern, narrow-minded decrees against sorcery and homosexuality (Lev. 19:31, 18:22) aren’t the last words on the subject in Holy Scripture. 

Can evangelicals and fundamentalists find the “moral” in the lessons of tolerance in the Hebrew and Christian Holy Books?  Can they realize that acceptance of “others” is more “moral” than intolerance, and that gay exclusion from their heterosexual monopoly on holy matrimony is not “moral?”

Racial prohibitionism is not egalitarian, which our Constitution instructs us to be, as realized by the Supreme Court to finally abolish state laws against miscegenation in 1967. And now California can finally abolish sexual- preference marriage prohibitionism in California,

If 50 percent of American different-sex marriages made under 25 end in divorce, is it not hypocritical for some excluding, prejudiced Christianists to deny marriage for thousands of same-sex couples, since theirs are proven to be more perdurable than heterosexual ones, for same-sex, loving, married couples in their pursuit of happiness?

(Holmes lives in St. Helena.)
16 comment(s)

kbf wrote on Nov 1, 2008 5:03 AM:

" Just because people in the Bible declared their love for one another does not mean it was homosexual.
It also says that God hates the sin of man and that men will lie with men and women with women and that it is a sin.
These things were happening in Sodom and Gomora and God destroyed that city.
This is going to creep into our schools (already has in SF, when first grader were taken to their teachers homosexual wedding, as a learning experience). "

a teacher wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:40 AM:

" We don't live in Iran, a theocracy, we live in the USA, a secular society. All Prop 8's arguments about religion, protecting children and the will of the people are nonsense and lies. This is about homophobia.

To allow homosexuals marriage elevates them to equal status with heterosexuals. To admit that would be to let go of the macho, male dominated culture we have now. To acknowldge homosexuality as a normal variation of human sexuality opens the door to admitting that woman are really equal, blacks are really equal, hispanics, etc.

Eventually these people are dinosaurs. In 25 years we'll look back at them as we do now at the segregationists and wonder how people could hate so much. "

fmmt47 wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:03 AM:

" Mr. Holmes' argument is based upon twisted facts and speculation. Competent Biblical scholars will certify that David was not a homosexual. As far as the reference to the "Harlot by the Side of the Road" book, it's a good read but about as accurate as the "Davinci Code" which is was based upon twisted facts and speculation by the writer. Why do homosexual advocates argue their point by referring to "racial prohibitionism" all the time. Minorites are born into their respective race, homosexuals are not a "race" but a lifestyle. Moshe Dayan's daughter had a personal agenda when presenting her perverted case arguing against the "narrow minded decrees against sorcery and homosexuality. For one, "sorcery" is not witchcraft as referenced in the Bible, but from the original translation from "pharmacia" which refers to drugs or drug use which is unlawful in every country in the world. She should be congratulated for her argument "outing" David as a homosexual because in essence she twisted the truth into a lie and convinced uniformed individuals that the pretext of her argument was truthful. Marriage as defined in the Bible by the way is and always has been between a man and a woman and God ain't gonna change it! Vote yes on Proposition *. "

John Richards wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:47 AM:

" Mr Holmes, did you hope that by being very wordy, it would bolster your argument? It didn't.
Although David and Jonathan had a strong friendship for each other, there is nothing in the record to suggest that any sexual activity was involved. And even it there had been, it would not automatically connotate biblical approval. The Bible often recites a historical event without making a moral judgment. To set the record straight, David's sexual orientation was clearly revealed in his later affair with Bathsheba.
So, you failed to refute Mr Moats' argument that for Christians the New Testament contains strong guidance about what our position on gay marriage should be. "

Fire Mike wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:15 AM:

" I find it interesting that when the Bible is used to justify a political position, opponents of that position will claim that a differing Biblical interpretation is more “accurate.” It seems that Mr. Holmes’ point is that people who are conflicted between voting as their conscience dictates, and voting to appease their “God”, can in fact justify a vote against Prop 8 on Biblical grounds. I sincerely hope that those folks who do look to the Bible for guidance will see that doing the right thing is not in conflict with their faith.

Fmmt47 claims that Mr. Holmes argument is “speculation.” I don’t disagree. But, of course, the same is true of fmmt47’s own claims. Any claim regarding what the Bible “really” says is speculation. We can argue forever about what the Bible “really” says about any issue, but in the end, that is a fruitless endeavor and tremendous waste of time. I think that it says a great deal about the pro-Prop 8 crowd that the best arguments they can present for their position are the superstitious beliefs of people who lived thousands of years ago.

It is important to remember that we are a nation of laws, and that perhaps the single greatest contribution America has made to the world is the belief in, and practice of, the notion that the law applies equally to all people. In California – finally! – we have recognized that gays must be treated equally under the law. Sadly, many on the religious right are willing to place more importance on their superstitions than in the belief that all people are created equal, and deserve to be treated with the dignity and respect to which all people are entitled. "

sickothis wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:22 AM:

" John Richards, et al.:

The laws of California have nothing to do with the Bible.

Enough already.

You can spin all you want, you support 8 because of bigotry. At least have the fortitude to say you don't like those icky gay people. Don't throw your superstition in my law. "

pharper wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:07 PM:

" A lifestyle, hunh? And what exactly does this lifestyle entail? How does it differ from the heterosexual lifestyle? Surely if there is a homosexual lifestyle, there must be a heterosexual one. And I'm sure your choice to become a heterosexual must have been an interesting decision, fmmt47. After all, if someone chose to be homosexual, you too must have been offered the same choice and chosen heterosexuality. Studies show that people do not choose to be gay. What information do you have that they do, besides speculation--something which you are so ardently against? "

steph wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:59 PM:

" It will take something more compelling than an intellectual examination of the Bible to invoke a very uncomfortable paradigm shift.

It will take, for some of these people, a revelation. And that revelation will come when God blesses the bigots with the love of a homosexual friend or family member. Only then will they understand how blind they have been. It will be a good thing.

However, I found Mr. Holmes's letter quite interesting. Unfortunately, I am not compelled one way or the other by the Bible. We are a nation of secular law, and our constitution has served this country well for centuries.

I want to thank the regular posters here--pharper, fire mike, sickothis, teacher, et.al., for their regular Anti-8 contributions and the compassion they show in defense of our gay family members. "

Fire Mike wrote on Nov 1, 2008 5:58 PM:

" Steph – I have to agree. Regardless of the outcome on Tuesday, many people will still see gays as “different,” and we can’t legislate that away. It will take a change of heart. For some it will be an “Aha!” moment, when, like you suggest, they recognize the love of a family member or friend. For others, it will take the slow process of “getting used to” gays being part of everyday life. And some, well, some will just never get it. Sad for them.

But whatever happens when we wake up Wednesday morning, I will take heart in knowing that so many of our friends and neighbors have taken a stance for equal rights during this campaign, and that a spotlight has been directed into the dark corners of prejudice. Our trajectory has always been toward fairness and equality for all, and it has been battles like this that have moved us forward. Whether we win or lose this battle, we know what the eventual outcome will be. "

verum wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:07 PM:

" Good grief! A first grader at a homosexual wedding. To learn, no less! KBF has a point. Best these things not be left to learning of on the streets, and locker rooms. "

a teacher wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:15 PM:

" OMG! Children may learn that homosexuals can get married! The Horror! "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:10 PM:

" So what did the first graders learn? They learned that people who are in love get married. They learned that a wedding is a joyful. They learned that two women can love each other enough to marry. It's simple.
I agree that this is a secular matter. It is about discrimination. No citizen of this country should be treated differently under the law. Marriage is a legal contract. This has nothing to do with religious organizations. You may believe what you want, but the law must be fair to all.
Religion plays no part in government. You have freedom of religion which is guaranteed to you. You cannot legislate your religious beliefs. "

John Richards wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:16 PM:

" Fire Mike wrote: "It seems that Mr. Holmes’ point is that people who are conflicted between voting as their conscience dictates, and voting to appease their “God”, can in fact justify a vote against Prop 8 on Biblical grounds."

I've reread Mr Holmes' article several times, but I don't see where he makes that point. All he does is offer some unsupported speculation about how the friendship of David and Jonathan may have been homosexual. Even if it was, how does that prove Biblical approval of homosexuality?
Those who aren't sure what Christians believe concerning biblical teachings on this topic need only read Romans 1:26-27. That passage is quite clear and unequivocal, no speculation required. "

whatusay wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:42 PM:

" I thought we lived in a democracy not a theocracy. Supporters of Prop 8 like to quote from the Bible, a book written by men as fallible as those who write letters to the editor. Why don't we hear from people of other faiths? Where do the Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists stand on this? Where are the atheist and agnostics on this? Perhaps this is why we have judges, who make a career out of studying the law, determine difficult issues. In Iraq, the majority are Shia and they want to destroy the Sunni. Does this make ethnic cleansing right simply because the majority want it. Prove to me that two gays getting married will hurt me or my family. I don't see any harm in letting others have the same rights that the constitution grants to me. Vote "No" on Prop 8 and end this silliness. "

John Richards wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:29 PM:

" Whatusay wrote: "I thought we lived in a democracy not a theocracy. Supporters of Prop 8 like to quote from the Bible, a book written by men as fallible as those who write letters to the editor. "

Guess what, this thread was originated by a person who is *against* Prop 8, and who extensively quoted from and espoused on the Bible. So why do you find it strange that those who defend against the author's writings also quote from the Bible? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. "

Raven wrote on Nov 2, 2008 12:46 PM:

" I think the bible can be selectively quoted to support of oppose any position JR...that is why using it as a justification for any position is suspect.... "

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