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Touring Napa Pipe
Residents take a walk to check out developer’s plans
Friday, October 31, 2008
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A flock of Napa County residents buzzed through the Napa Pipe property Wednesday night, during one of a series of walking tours designed to educate the public about the controversial proposal for the south county site.

“Where we’re standing right now would be the last of a network of parks,” developer Keith Rogal told the crowd of 38, stretching his arms across the industrial land.
Standing at the other end of the 154-acre property, Rogal said, “Where we are now — the dry docks — is what we really think of as the center of this neighborhood.”

Participants squinted into the distance as if straining to envision a bustling new neighborhood where aging industrial equipment currently dots the skyline.
Under the proposal by Rogal’s Napa Redevelopment Partners, the Napa Pipe site would feature 3,200 townhomes as well as retail and industrial activity on land that once served as a Kaiser Steel plant, where ships and the bones of skyscrapers were manufactured.

The Napa County Board of Supervisors voted to study the residential project in 2007, and a series of reports on related environmental issues are expected in coming weeks.
The proposal for what would be the largest development of its kind in unincorporated county land has met with fiery opposition from some residents. City of Napa officials in particular have expressed concerns that a huge residential development just outside the city of Napa could siphon away resources and strain services. In June, Napa Pipe proponents poured $1.4 million into defeating a ballot measure that would have killed the proposal.

Rogal, however, painted a prettier picture of the development Wednesday night, beckoning the crowd to imagine a lively neighborhood with restaurants, hotels, a corner store and outdoor movie theater. At the river’s edge, he described what could be a saltwater swimming pool, a boat house for a rowing club and a dock for kayaking and canoeing. Residents could hop on a rail car or travel via water taxi into downtown Napa.

“You can kind of get a sense of what a pleasant spot it could be,” Rogal told the group.

Rogal said the walking tours — Wednesday marks the third so far — provide locals the opportunity to ask questions in a more informal format than at a traditional public meeting.

“This is a really important project for the future of the community, and people deserve to understand it fully,” he said. “People cannot make an intelligent assessment … without being here.”

Rogal said invitations went out by mail to all registered voters in Napa County. About 120 people attended the first three tours, he said, and another 160 are signed up for tours in November. Rogal said he will continue to offer tours as long as residents express interest.

Mike Fisher, a board member for the St. Helena Chamber of Commerce, said he signed up for the walking tour so that he could learn more about the project, which he feels could affect residents countywide.

“I’m curious,” he said. “The proposal is huge, and I just wanted to be more educated so if it ever comes to the point where I have to decide if I support it, I know what I’m talking about.”

Chris Smalley, who lives in Napa just across the river from Napa Pipe, wanted to know if the proposal had all of the elements of a sustainable community.

“Is there a local place to get fresh foods? Do people not have to drive out? What about the flood plain?” she asked.

“I’d like to hear the issues directly from the person,” she said.

Many members of the tour group had already made up their minds about Napa Pipe, and wanted to see in-person the project they said they support.

“I think it’s a really good idea,” William Moore of Napa said, calling it a “sensible solution” to the county’s housing needs. Moore, who served as the project director for residential development at Mare Island, said Napa Pipe is a “similar project but smaller.”

John Sensenbaugh, a resident of Napa, admitted he had some concerns about the size of the proposal.

“Three thousand (homes) sounds like a lot,” he said, “but I never saw (Napa Pipe) before.”

After 45 minutes plodding through the site, Sensenbaugh said, “You don’t appreciate how big this area is without seeing it.”

At the end of the tour, Rogal led the group through a PowerPoint presentation, stressing in particular the needs of the commuting workforce and the county’s imbalance between housing and jobs.

He addressed concerns about issues such as traffic, noise and the availability of services. Studies on these issues by independent consultants are under way and expected shortly.

In response to one question about the possible annexation of the property to the city of Napa, Rogal said, “Personally, I don’t anticipate (annexation).”

If, after the project is built, the community decides to pursue a vote to annex the land, “that’s fine. Right now, there’s no particular reason to look that way.”

Rogal noted that “the plan has a lot of specificity,” but stressed that it is “not because it is the final plan.” The current level of details, he said, allows the project to be analyzed while the community continues to provide input.
19 comment(s)

NapaCitizen wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:08 AM:

" The last thing Napa needs anywhere are 3,000 more residences housing more than 6,000 to 8,000 people, creating exponentially more traffic.

Affordable? For whom? Hmmm. I doubt that. Napa economics do not support those that work here being able to afford to live here. More timeshares, second homes, etc.

The fox is merely giving the hens a tour of the slaughterhouse. Try getting past that property now. Think about it Napa, do the math!

You'd think Mr Rogal is running for mayor and holding town hall meetings! Good grief! "

97526 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:18 AM:

" The end of an Era. I worked at Kaiser Steel(later Napa Pipe)right out of high school in "65. After a tour in the Air Force I returned until 1979. Many Napans spent their careers at Kaiser Steel including my father as well as Richard Lonergans father. The list of names goes on and on. I moved away from Napa seven years ago but occassionally I return to see family. When I drive over the Southern Crossing and look down at the Napa Pipe yard I cannot help feeling a little depressed thinking of how Napa has changed only for the benefit of the tourists. "

db76 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:21 AM:

" People have given up on downtown Napa and are looking on other options for living, working, and recreation. This Napa Pipe community is one such option. With people getting stabbed and cars being vandalized all over town, no wonder people are interested in Napa Pipe. It gives them a sense of hope. "

marine1/1 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:29 AM:

" Keith Rogal should concentrate on his downtown projects that Napan's need and leave the Napa Pipe property alone. We don't need ant more houses being built right now. There are way to many foreclosures in Napa right now and it is still on the rise. Keith Rogal will do or say anything to get his way. The biggest issue is Napa as it stands right now, does not have anywhere close to the amount of water it needs for what we have right now. Keith Rogal has already lied and stated there was plenty of ground water which is not true at all. Napa is involved in a lawsuite right now over water and it looks like we are going to loose and who knows how much was spent on attourney fee's for the many months it has been going on at tax payers expense. Napa is in a serious problem with water and that is before we build anymore of these rediculous mega hotels that we don't need. The city leaders and Keith Rogal don't want you to know that. We will also now be receiving 15% less water from the state that we normally get starting next year. Mark my words, water rates WILL be going up. Napa Pipe property should be used to find another big commercial business that would bring jobs back to Napa. "

napablogger wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Man, if you think Napa is too crowded the last thing we need is another big employer. Can you imagine the pressure to build housing with a new factory that has 2000 employees like Napa Pipe did? All in one spot, you want traffic there you go. All with one person in one car, all going at the exact same time every day. And no place nearby for those people to live.

I appreciate the nostalgia as well, but let's face Napa was not built up for the tourists, it was built up for the people who live here and the tourists and wine industry are the economic base that funded it.

Things change and they have changed way for the better, Napa is a heck of a nicer place than it used to be. It's just not like it was when you were a kid.

If you can find a place that was like it was thirty years ago, it is either dead and has no economy, or never did to begin with. The world changes people. "

nan03 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:52 AM:

" to 97526, My husbend,son and my slef as well as a lot of friends worked at Kasier Steel" and "Napa Pipe" Its a shame that it closed up and now may be come something else. I think about all the steel and paint ect. in the ground. Not real good. "

Paddy wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:53 AM:

" napablogger - I'm not sure you were her even 10 years ago and don't have the perspective of those of us who have been here for decades and generations. Napa was a jewel (is a jewel) before 'money' decided it wasn't.

I associate the gentrification of Napa and the infusion of low paying jobs and the need for poverty housing with the Gasser property being deveolped. The Target, McDonalds, Burger King, In and Out, KFC, Raleys, Home/Office Depots box store mentality hit and 5 new traffic signals were added on Soscol leading to Copia. That was the beginning of this . Before all of that it was inconvenient having to drive to Fairfield once in a while but Napa was a wonderfully special place to live and raise a family. That's not the case anymore.

So I don't equate box stores, fast food, smog, traffic and traffic signals, angry motorists, gangs and poor wages with Napa being better now than it was just 10 short years ago.

"Nostalgia"? Is that what they're calling family and small town values now? Those of us who care for such things are desperately trying to swim up stream against a tide of attitudes like yours and Rogals. How much money do you all stand to make on the minimum wages of the masses?

The horrific expense of this Napa Pipe folly far exceeds anything measured in dollars and sense. "

hawkins707 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:04 AM:

" I wish an incredible amount of misfortune on everyone forcing this plan upon us. I hope it tanks in every way possible. Find another way to make millions. "

MichelleG wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:42 AM:

" I'm sure all of you with negative comments have taken the time to tour the facility to fully educate yourselves... "

laughingatthis wrote on Oct 31, 2008 1:56 PM:

" They should build a Nice big Theatre and a Mall. Im tired of commuting to Fairfield. Im for a change, Napa pipe is valuable space that shouldnt just be abandoned. And clean it up a bit. "

cordell wrote on Oct 31, 2008 2:15 PM:

" I agree with MichelleG. Walking that site was very eye-opening. That property has some great potential. Let's not be blinded by nostalgia. "

shareathought wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Notification came in the mail, a day after the first tour. Commitments made for the other tours. I'd like to know, will there be more? "

Grommitt wrote on Oct 31, 2008 6:57 PM:

" If sea level rises six feet, as predicted as a result of global warming, what parts of the site will be underwater? "

14obama wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:48 PM:

" Does anybody think the roads around Napa are too busy as it is ? That means another 6400 more cars. I say NO WAY !

Too much growth too fast ! Let's stop for awhile and think about it.

Another nail in the coffin of "Old Napa". "

14obama wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:57 PM:

" Good thought,Grommitt ! I'd say all of it would be under. Since it (the melting of the caps and resulting increase in sea level) would be gradual I'd think you'd be good for another 20 years,maybe more. Build the houses on stilts and fish off your deck. "

Ephemerol wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:26 PM:

" This so called project is all about $$$$ and not about community building or housing for people who live or work here. No matter how they hussy it up, package, promote and try to sell it, it's not coming from within, but rather without. One could make an argument that any community in Napa is over with and long gone and thus this is the better of all evils. However that is a separate discussion and a different one. Thirty two hundred town homes in the middle of the 'Great Recession' of 2008 / 2009? Who the hell are these people building this thing anyhow? I doubt they are from here. No banks are lending for this now or in the future. "

TheWholeTruth wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:02 PM:

" People who think like napablogger are either incredibly naive or on the past, present or future Payroll of Napa Redevelopment Partners. Napa Pipe should be used for local job creation, Not more unneeded homes. It is the last piece of industrial property of substance in the county. It has rail and river access.

Napablogger claims if we create 2000 jobs in Napa that people from the bay area will invade us. How many people now living in Napa have to trek daily to the bay area just to earn a living. Do you really think Napan’s don’t need jobs to be able to live here. Are our children going to buy these home to stay close to us if there is no place for them to work?

This line of thought is just $$$$$$ and greed talking. No problem, wine and dine and lie through the mouths of those with money, political and media connections and they will convince you to destroy our last chance at growing good paying jobs that could actually keep our families in this valley.

So sad. "

14obama wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Hey people ? How do we stop all of this "capitalistic madness" ? ALL of the actors are from someplace else,not here !! They're "out of towners" with an agenda for themselves not you and I,so,let's tell them where to go !! Stop the insanity ! Wake up people ! "

toobuff wrote on Dec 24, 2008 12:45 AM:

" just a word of advise to anyone that writes on here, take a tour first and learn something before you start blogging. marine 1/1 there is an abundant amount of water out there, they used a well on grounds for their operations, don't believe me? take a tour. its in the COUNTY, not the city, so its a different situation. and for anyone that is saying that the housing market is down, and no on will buy timeshares, take a tour. it will be made up of a large percentage of low income housing, and if anyone has been paying attention to our county and cares, would know that we are below the states requirement for low income in the county, and since we have an ag preserve throughout our county, where else can we put those houses?? please do research before you blog "

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