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Who do you support for President in the November election? ( polls)

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antipc wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:41 PM:

" I'm forced to vote McCain in 08. After Obama is defeated in Nov. not much will change.

But I can't wait 'til 2012. Palin is gonna mop the floor with Hillary & get this country back on track.

Is this a great country or what? "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:16 PM:

" Yes, it is. "

Hear Ye wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:44 PM:

" It's an easy choice this go around. Obama/Biden for me, my state, and hopefully my country. "

cab e-girl wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:06 PM:

" Now that Sarah Palin is on the ticket, my vote is going for McCain, which I said I wasn't going to do. I suspect with Ms. Palin on board, many of the Hillary women will cross over as well. "

Raven wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:19 PM:

" hmmm...yeah, palin, plenty of experience being mayor of a town of 6500 and as governor of one of the smallest states in the US...population wise......all the attributes I would pick for someone to be able to step in as president

and yes...Obama/Biden

as for the hilary crossover, don't count on it.....Palin is also a, one might say, rabid anti-choice, anti-abortion pol...the very antithesis of hilary's stands "

misfit wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:15 PM:

" Obama/Biden! There is no other choice. "

John Richards wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:51 PM:

" After listening to Obama's acceptance speech, I am more certain than ever to vote for McCain. Obama made so many promises, there is no way he can deliver on even a small fraction of those promises, let alone find a way to pay for them. The expression 'sheer demagoguery' comes to mind. "

kdbk wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:37 PM:

" Niether man is perfect, nor has any Presidential candidate ever been. But McCain is the clear choice if you are truly concerned with the most vital issues of the day:

National Defense: Say what you will, if we don't first and foremost protect our country and our interests around the world, you can FORGET about all the other stuff. That's the simplest concept in the existence of man. Please people, no one will do a perfect job, but McCain will do a considerably better job with regard to national defense.

The economy: Come on folks. Again, no President can really influence it in that many ways, but McCain offers a plan that has proven to work better in the past than the plan Obama offers on the economy. If people don't know that Obama offers a very socialist economic plan, then they simply haven't learned about the man.

Then, if things like health care, education, crime etc. are going to be dealt with, their only chance is for America to maintain a very strong military and a very strong ecomony. It's a vast and dangerous world out there. The U.S. must maintain power in order for all the good stuff to happen. I'm sorry if reality is too much for some to take. But please, try.

p.s. NICE, a neck-and-neck race between McCain and Obama in a Register poll...in pretty-liberal Napa! Groovy. "

Raven wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:21 AM:

" hmmm.....like he said...if you want four more years of Bushonomics....vote for McSame.... "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:38 AM:

" Yeah, sure... there are LOTs of rabid 'forced-birth' people in the Democratic Party who have just been waiting for a chance to vote Republican because Sarah Palin was picked by John Dubya McBush.

NOT !!!

Since Republican registration is as low as it has been in years, and Democrats are registering voters and having turnouts 5 times larger than they have had in a decade or more... And independents say they will vote for Obama, and young voters are registering and turning out for Democratic candidates, we are not likely to see a Republican victory in November.

The McBushite war on American peace and prosperity is now thankfully coming to an end.

I agree with Dwayne's post that even if Obama had picked a conservative Republican for a running mate, Dwayne would not vote for the Democratic ticket. The same is even more true for Democratic voters. The disaffected PUMA vote is a Republican response to the nightsweats they are getting from contemplating the rejection coming from the American people.

~Ruff "

MarkMathews wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:00 AM:

" kdbk, well said. I will add that I ALWAYS vote against whatever the democrat party puts forth; their policies are anethima to me; nor will I vote for a friend of Ayers, nor am employers of Nation of Islam members. "

diehard4ever wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Can't vote yet, but in the beginning I wanted Romney. Now, since Romney "dropped out" I'd definitely choose McCain. At least he's loves America. I think The GreatPink One said once that he didn't like McCain, but he was better than the alternative (it was you Great Pink One, right?). Anyways, I fully agree.

Now to figure out how to get past the voting machines...;) "

Hear Ye wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:13 PM:

" "at least he loves America"

These are the kind of unfounded and low class statements that give republicans a bad reputation "

diehard4ever wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:45 PM:

" Hear Ye-
And liberal/democratic Bush-bashing isn't?

Listening (and liking) a person say "God D*** America" for ten years isn't too typical of a real patriot. "

a teacher wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:15 PM:

" Angelina,

"Listening (and liking) a person say "God D*** America" for ten years isn't too typical of a real patriot. "

Who has been saying that? How did you hear it? "

diehard4ever wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:38 AM:

" Teacher-
Obama's pastor, Reverend Not-So-Right. Go onto Michael Savage's website and you can hear audio clips if you don't believe me. "

kevin wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Diehard, the Libs will just tell you that "you are not hearing the whole sermon. That you are taking it out of "context". Then they will say "you know, Wright actually had a good point..."

LOL. Libs. In the future, we need to make sure to keep a couple of them around just for laughs... "

elb wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Palin just decided my vote and Palin just made me feel like we finally have an official election goin' on!

BE SURE TO VOTE! "

elb wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:43 AM:

" diehard4ever,

That pastor is scary and he didn't 'just suddenly turn scary' after Obama decided to run for president.

The fact that Obama wasn't able to discern his way out of that crazy church of his for some twenty years.... Well, that's a concern!

Obama either doesn't have good judgment or he's lying to us when he says he doesn't believe the way that pastor of his believes and preaches and has preached for decades!

Either way, that pastor of his cinched it for me. "

MarkMathews wrote on Aug 31, 2008 11:10 AM:

" Raven, why waste my breath telling you the difference between Senator McCain's proposed policies and President Bush;s if you are going to continue using derogatory names like "Shrub" and "McSame"

Ok, lets do it anyway... For one, and let me say this one more time, BUSH is NOT in the running this time, so "his" policies are not in the spotlight here, but those of McCAIN. McCain has policies that are strikingly opposite of those of Senator Obama, one of which is going after terrorists, not rolling over with a raised white flag. McCain wants we Americans to drill in as many domestic locations as we can for OUR oil, where as Sen. Obama is only luke-warm to drilling any where. The rest of his policies differ in that they are not the pity me unionist Marxist and creeping socialist clap trap which the democrat party ahs been pushing since 1968, when the pot smoking antiwar hippies took over the once proud party of President John F. Kennedy, Life Member of the National Rifle Association. Don’t lie down with the democrats or you will wake up with fleas and ticks. "

Hear Ye wrote on Aug 31, 2008 5:27 PM:

" MM-

That's classic stuff there. Not only did you not address anything you said you were going to but you managed to be more off-base and "derogatory" than the person you were criticizing. Congratulations! "

a teacher wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:36 PM:

" Michael Savage? Well that expalins alot. Such a class act. I'm frankly surprised your mother lets you listen to him, he's definitely PG13. Kevin is right, that's exactly what I would say. So? "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:02 AM:

" MM - Funny how the folks who like to say Obama-Osama get all touchy, whiney and upset about someone using "McSame", or "McBush".

All those squadrons of chicenhawks flying in tight formation for EIGHT YEARS and they still haven't won the war!

And now... their feelings are hurt.

It's pretty much impossible - even with a magnifying glass -- to tell the difference between the policies of Boosh and McBoosh.

George Dubya Boosh -
War With NO End in Sight.

John Dubya McBoosh -
War With NO End in Sight.

I have a hard time telling the difference between socialism and Boooshevism... well... OK, then... beyond the fact that socialists want to take care of everybody and Booosheviks want to take care of everybody who makes $5 million or more already.

That's a difference, right?

Howzabout repeating the great line from the Bush campaign that there are no uninsured in America?

Please do MoveOn to telling us all about how Booosh and McBooosh are JUST EVER SO DIFFERENT, would'ja? I know that voting for Booosh policies like a rubber stamp JUST SEEMS identical...

Maybe promising to go Booosh one better on more tax cuts for RICH GUYS is different somehow?

Please explain... 'my friend' !!!

~McRuff "

kevin wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:45 AM:

" "So" ateacher; ordinary Americans who hear Wrights rant are justifiably offended. Libs hear it and are not. (They have to go into that whole "moral relativism" and "historical perspective" thing...) "

diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:30 PM:

" teacher-
I'm 13 in January. And like many people have told me, I think like a much older person. My parents let me listen to him because he explains things way better and he makes sense. Did you even go to the website? Probably not. Go there, listen to the clips, and then check out the funnt bumper stickers.
Kevin-
I totally agree. They'll turn anything around so the criminals the victim. They are kinda funny to watch when they stumble over themselves when they know you're right.

elb-
Right again. Even if I was the most liberal person ever, if I heardReverend Not-So-Right bashing America, I would definetely NOT vote for Obama.

Raven-
Will you stop with the Bush/McCain bashing? And you say us consevatives are mean spirited... "

Raven wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:31 PM:

" nothing but the facts diehard...13 in january eh....interesting.....already in some bad habits I see.....

and explain to me where I was bashing and where I was simply pointing out differences .... "

diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:01 PM:

" Raven-
Shrub. McSame. Ruff gives the perfect example. "

russ wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:59 PM:

" Ruffster,

You said,

"War With NO End in Sight"

I saw today that the US Army turned over Anbar province, in Iraq, to the Iraqi's security forces. that is the 11th province of 18. That sounds like progress to me.

I saw today that the US Marines are pulling out of Iraq and will be deployed to Afghanistan to kill Taliban. Marines are really good at killing Al Qaeda terrorists. Sounds like progress to me.

Let's continue making progress, killing enemy and destroying their havens and infrastructure. "

dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:02 PM:

" It's an easy choice for me, being liberal and all, and pretty much sold on policies that address domestic and community well-being, economic justice along with economic growth, civil liberties as well as homeland security, and sound, effective international relations as well as a respectable and cared-for military, not to mention a serious approach to the complex issues of education and the environment. I knew McCain had incorporated most of the republican talking points into his platform (increase oil drilling prospects, proliferate nuclear power, minimize regs & taxes for corporations, privatize education (or, when the public schools misbehave, advocate for local control so parents can tell teachers how to do their job and what to teach), provide health care via the beneficience of the competitive market, win win win in Iraq, whatever that means, at whatever cost, restrict stem cell research in order to protect "embryos" that will ultimately be discarded anyway, and refuse to restrict the sale of assault weapons in the name of the misinterpreted 2nd amendment. Although there are some small similarities in the particulars of parts of McCain's plan and Obama's, McCain's is clearly (according to what is presented on his website) a continuation of the policies of the Bush Administration, with a flourish here and there to pay homage to global warming and school performance. What really surprises me, however, is that other than "Iraq" and "Homeland Security", he has no category under "issues" that addresses foreign policy. Wage war and fear the world is pretty much his approach, I guess. What amazes me about some of the commenters here is that hearing that Palin was chosen, apparently unvetted at that, convinced them to vote for McCain. Wild! "

a teacher wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:26 PM:

" Actually Angelina, I have been there. So, what's your favorite Mike Savage line of comments? Is it his direction to some gay fellow to "get AIDS and die"? How about his belief that autism is merely the result of bad parenting?

My favorite is when it was announced that Se. Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor, Mike played "California Uber Alles" by the Dead Kennedys (get it?).

What a class act...

An intelligent person gathers information from both sides of the issue, even when they disagree with the source. "

diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:02 PM:

" teacher-
I love his stories about Teddy, life, and his predictions about the elections, although I disagree with his view of Palin. Now that you have gone to his website, you might want to listen to him, as you have taken things out of context. He believes that real autism is a big concern, but fake, created autism is a big lie and should be stopped. "

a teacher wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:26 PM:

" I'm speechless... "

Raven wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:00 PM:

" but the US troops will remain in the province...if the Iraqi's can control the province, why keep the US troops there.....

and diehard...how do you rate those who call Obama...Osama or BO? "

kevin wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:07 AM:

" Last time I checked Barry's initials were still B.O.

Just like G.W. has been used extensively the last 7 years to reference our President.

No difference... "

anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:55 AM:

" I have come to the conclusion that, no matter who wins in Nov., the Left wins.

How do I come to this?

Simple.

For decades the Communist movement has taken a completely different approach to the take down of our Capitalist society. One such approach is so obvious: Taking over one of the major political parties.

It is apparent to me, the views and policies set forth by Obama and the Democratic Party are quite Socialistic. Younger Americans are easily influenced to believe that government should take care of the population: healthcare, and other social programs for example. Young minds find themselves admiring people in music and hollywood who also believe in these socialist views, bringing our society into a mindset of "government is the solution."

Over time more and more people start believing in these policies creating a larger group of "independant voters". The Right must adjust to this change in society, and elect individuals (like McCain) that are "center of the road" politicians.

What this country needs is a true "Compassionate Conservative" (unlike Bush who is also quite independant in policy) to be voted into office.

Unfortunetly for us, too much socialist propaganda is influencing our society. And like many of my fellow conservatives, I am forced to vote McCain just to slow down the process of full out Socialsm that is present in the Democratic Party. "

dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:29 AM:

" Kevin -- by that analogy, you should be calling him B.H., not B.O. "

Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:43 AM:

" anti....where have you been the last few years...the communist party is a relic of an antiquated political system.....that will never be a threat to anyone as a political force. "

TrickleDown wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:44 AM:

" My vote is for John McCain and Harriet Myers. Sorry, I meant Sarah Palin. "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:42 AM:

" Obama is soaring in the polls "

anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:43 AM:

" anti....where have you been the last few years...the communist party is a relic of an antiquated political system.....that will never be a threat to anyone as a political force. "

There is an old saying out there:

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he doesn't exist."

Communism is very much alive, just in the new wording of "progressive", "liberal", and "socialist."
An open mind can see the movement of the radicalism in the 60's and see the transfer from communism into the much softer approach of socialism. Communism had such a "bad rap" that leaders of those political movements made the transition.

Which makes me think of another quote:

"Socialism is Communism with a human face."

Never a threat to anyone, you say?

Just look at the Democratic platform and tell me all the wealth distribution in there is not socialism. They Left wants to destroy the capitalist society (and our sovereignty) and hand it over to the UN and EU. "

a teacher wrote on Sep 2, 2008 2:50 PM:

" Just look at the Democratic platform and tell me all the wealth distribution in there is not socialism. They Left wants to destroy the capitalist society (and our sovereignty) and hand it over to the UN and EU. "

You left out making us drink flouride and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids... "

Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:09 PM:

" ahh...is that how it works....all part of a grand conspiracy to dissolve the US...glad you are on the ball there...not what about the fake moon landing conspiracy.....because it has just as much a basis in fact as your Commies taking over the world theory..

When the wall came down in 89 and the Soviet Union dissolved, communist left the world stage as a potent force....even 'Communist China' has veered so far away from the Marxist/Leninist workers paradise as to be a totalitarian regime disguised in the red flag...the only two communist states left are North Korea and Vietnam...and we can see how Vietnam is slowly moving towards capitalism and how the hard liners in North Korea are driving their country into the dirt... "

diehard4ever wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:26 PM:

" Teacher-
as my mom once said...
"...speechless is good, very good!" "

diehard4ever wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:29 PM:

" raven-
BO are just his initials. The Osama thing is really old. I haven't used that one in a really long time. Besides, they kinda do sound similar... "

Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:52 PM:

" as do McSame and McCain...your point? That it is okay when you do it but not when someone else does? "

anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:56 PM:

" Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:09 PM:

" ahh...is that how it works....all part of a grand conspiracy to dissolve the US...glad you are on the ball there...not what about the fake moon landing conspiracy.....because it has just as much a basis in fact as your Commies taking over the world theory..

Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record:
(Here are a few of these goals)

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, and policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Although submitted back in 60's (when Democrats were Democrats) it is apparant these adjectives are being completed. The other objectives are just as interesting. #15 is the most disturbing because Obama's rhetoric praises wealth distribution, which communism and socialism stand for. "

a teacher wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:17 PM:

" Angelina: Now I'm depressed and disheartened. Not so good. "

Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 6:16 PM:

" it must be interesting in your world anti.....but may I point it that piece was done was more than 40 years ago.....

exactly which big businesses are controlled by communists

exactly which unions are controlled by communists

haven't seen piece that since I was in high school... "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 2, 2008 7:58 PM:

" Russ- I knew about the Al Anbar turnover... and more troops going to Afghanistan.

But I thought, surely some Republican would crow about it... and that would lead to a thoughtful introduction of how the Bungle administration is quietly being forced by the Iraqi government (and reality) into adopting the Obama plan for ending the war.

When you think about it honestly, it only took the Bungle Administration just SEVEN YEARS to adopt Barack Obama's plan (so heavily mocked by warmongers everywhere) for dealing with Osama Bin Laden instead of the SEVEN YEARS wasted in Iraq.

But, admitting that Obama was right all along -- from the time Obama denounced the Iraq invasion before Mr. Bungle started squandering American lives there -- until now is not ever going to be confessed by die-hard war lovers anywhere.

And... even though the Bungle Administration is implementing the Obama plan, John Dubya McBooosh is still out there ranting about more war, war in Iran, war in Georgia. Endless war with no end in sight. Just like I said.

"There will be more wars, my friend", says John Dubya McBooosh.

All of us commies, cowards and America haters were RIGHT ALL ALONG!!! The Bungle Invasion of Iraq was indeed a distraction and an expensive boondoggle, both in lives and money.

However, if the American people were not kicking the props out from under the warmongers right now... Mr. Bungle wouldn't be slowly implementing the Barack Obama plan.

Nor would you be discussing the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq like Barack Obama outlined awhile back.

~Ruff "

antipc wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:29 PM:

" PPF, after posting on this thread I read another thread that you had posted on that makes my first post appear suspect. In all fairness your post was hours ahead of mine. Although I did not plagiarize your post, my humble apologies. When the 2012 elections are over I digress to your prediction. "

kevin wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:35 PM:

" Or we could just go with the FACTS. Like the fact that the Generals on the ground in Iraq are declaring that our troops have achieved their goal of a stable Iraq:

General David Petraeus sees huge progress in Iraq

Patrick Walters, Baghdad | September 03, 2008

THERE has been "enormous progress" in improving security across Iraq and there are real indications that the country is finally turning away from the endemic violence of recent years.

As he prepares to leave Baghdad within days, General David Petraeus, the top US commander in Iraq, cites a host of statistics that indicate the war-torn country is at last "spiralling upwards" towards a more normal existence.

In an exclusive hour-long farewell interview with The Australian in his office in the ornate presidential palace in Baghdad, General Petraeus sees signs of a return to more normal conditions in the capital and increasingly, across a country that only 20 months ago was still riven by horrific sectarian conflict.

General Petraeus is leaving Iraq in two weeks to become the US's CENTCOM commander, a post that will see him charged with responsibility for the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Last Sunday, there were no serious security incidents across the whole of Baghdad.

President Bush and Congress made the correct choice in removing Saddam. And our troops did an excellent job!

Congratulations and thank you. "

anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:55 PM:

" Raven,

so I take it you concede all the other goals I presented in my argument have been either completed or are still in the works!! Thanks for the ego boost.

I am more than aware that that information was written in the 60's that is why I acknowledged the precise date it was entered into Congress. May I also point out that in my first post I stated the transformation of Communism to Socialism, but I will refrain from being too redundant. But read it again if you feel inclined.

in regards to YOUR rebuttal:

Being a Union member myself, my Union SEIU is definitely run by "progressives" and other like minded liberals, for one. The teachers Union is also composed of "progressive" like minded liberals. Basically most all Union's are somewhat Socialist in nature in the sense that people are forced to be a part of one in order to work in certain fields of work.

Corporations? Well.... 95% of Hollywood Production Companies for example. I wont even get into TV Corporations like MTV, they speak for themselves. Media outlets i.e. New York Times, San Fransisco Chronicle, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

These CORPORATIONS incorporate #'s 20,21,26,28, and 40 of the "Goals" I presented earlier into our society, brainwashing the younger generations of Americans. "

Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:09 PM:

" I concede nothiong anti...just picked two easy examples for you....

as for the union, so for you, being progressive is equal to being a communist....so the progressive that fought for your right to be a union member were communists?

and you have yet to name one of them and show who running them is a communist, just calling someone a communist doesn't make it so...facts, anti, give us the facts..who are these communists that are bothering you so much....? Give us their names.... "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:45 AM:

" antipc - great minds think alike! "

dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Raven -- You got it....All of Anticom's arguments are based on the premise that progressive/liberal = socialism=communism=Marxism ad nauseum.
We've heard that malignment before.
False Premise+Conspiracy Theory = ___[fillintheblank] "

rage against wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:23 AM:

" OBAMA
BIDEN
2008
This time around I was going to refrain from voting. Maybe I would right-in a canidate, or vote for one of hopeless parties. But through contributing to, being censored by, and reading from the register's blogs I have been inspired to vote.
Lately I have been putting signs up in front of my house, inpiring all of my slacker friends to do their part, and actively campaigning for my canidate. I am in my mid twenties. I have researched politics, domestic and world affairs, as well as a variety of other subjects, and I feel it is time for me to make an educated and (like I said before) inspired decision.
I am voting for Barrack Obama and Joseph Biden in this November's Presidential election. "

dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Anticom: If the entertainment industry is "brainwashing the younger generations", they are being brainwashed to rev up their lifestyle, smoke it up, eat it up, drink it up, party it up, drive away and buy, buy, buy! And don't worry about the small stuff, such as health, education, economy, jobs, environment, etc. This of course, all benefits the tobacco and alcohol companies as well as the fast food industry, the clothing industry, department stores, malls, China ... oh, I get it! All those money-making institutions are ultimately run by the Communist China Conspiracy Co.; that's what you mean! (Is that what you mean?) I'm confused. Something's missing here. Seems to me big corporations are doing okay. The media & entertainment industries are helping them out. Where's the communism here? "

anticommie wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:33 AM:

" Yes I am making the connection of communism into socialism. The 60's "progressive" movement was just that. Many "red diaper babies," after the fall of Stalin is the USSR, knowing that communism has a "bad wrap" in America and the rest of the West, began approaching communism differently. Creating the title of "progressive," hijacking the meaning of "liberal," and creating the "New Left."

A great reverence book to these changes is called "The Radical Son." Read the life of a man that was part of that movement of the 60's in Berkeley, Ca. Very interesting. "

dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Rage against: It sounds like you're "raging for" as well. Your contribution was good to hear....newly involved in the political process because you're inspired and have deliberated thoughtfully.

Thanks for being there! "

dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:00 PM:

" And now, dellasumbrella's computer is going in for minor surgery, and we're hoping no malignancy will be found.

So for awhile dellasumbrella will be insulated, isolated and incommunicado.

Enjoy the debates, one & all! "

Raven wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:06 PM:

" again, anticommie...give me some names....what companies, what people....let's root out these commies...when did they join the party...? "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:53 PM:

" 'anticommie' - so the only bulwark against communism is... the Republican Party?

Oh, Really?

What was pretty much the first foreign policy feat of George Dubya Bush?

Why it was kissing the butts of the Communist Chinese who were holding a US plane and crew hostage after ramming it in mid-air over international waters.

As I recall, the Head Cowboy of the self-styled 'Party of Stalwart Anti-Communism' allowed the Chinese to cut that plane into pieces, steal the electronics, and then topped it off by renting a Russian heavy-lift transport to bring the parts home.

And after that disgusting demonsration of crawfishing cowardice??? Bupkis on the commie-fighting front from Dubya.

And now you want to say that Democrats are socialist appeasers?

Really???

Going back to the Tienamen Square massacre of Chinese students who actually put up their own 'Goddess of Liberty'... Who was it that sent Howard Baker to toast the brutal thugs at the top of the Chinese Communist dictatorship???

Why it was Pappy Bush, now wasn't it?

How quaint, that both Bushes get away with the biggest acts of commie appeasement since the fall of the Berlin Wall while some folks call Democrats commie appeasers!

The best friends the Chinese Communists have ever had are presidents named BUSH.

Progressives know who the Chinese Communist party sits down and canoodles with and IT IS NOT US, even if some folks around here are suffering terribly from "Republican Memory Disorder".

~Ruff "

kevin wrote on Sep 3, 2008 6:43 PM:

" LMAO. Are you sure you want to go there Ruff?

I'm sure everyone remembers Bill Clinton and Al Gore and their Chinese presidential "contributors" Johnny Chung, Charlie Trie and John Huang.
Who could forget the Temple Monks giving money to Algore? Hillarious! "

anticommie wrote on Sep 3, 2008 7:32 PM:

" Well R. L.

Very interesting points, and I will say everything that you point out about the Bush's is very true, and very disturbing. I never said I agreed with that appeasement. But to their credit.... We KNOW neither of them are Socialists! I believe it is the Left, that says Bush is TOO RIGHT WING!!! Where with Obama, its OBVIOUS he IS a Socialist, or at least has many Socialist views.

Do I think that in this day and age Communism and Socialism are the same thing? Well........I guess I do!

It's unfortunate that so many people do not even realize that they themselves share so many Socialist views as our enemies like Socialist Hugo Chavez of Venezuela or idealize past communists like Che Guevara! People that agree with individuals like that, i would have to say are Socialists. I will have to disagree with people when they say Communism is no longer alive in America. Tell that to next person wearing a Che Guevara shirt. "

Raven wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:39 PM:

" so ...have you found out who among the media corporations is a communist, anti?...I want to root them out...... "

kevin wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:35 PM:

" anticommie, I hate to point this out, but America already IS a Socialist country. We "redistribute" wealth from the rich and give to the poor.

Communist countries do not have private property. That is why when the Soviet Union collapsed, they ended up dividing and selling State property back to the people. With varying degrees of success.

It will continue to get worse if we continue to elect Liberals like B.O. "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:01 PM:

" Ruff said: "And... even though the Bungle Administration is implementing the Obama plan, John Dubya McBooosh is still out there ranting about more war, war in Iran, war in Georgia. Endless war with no end in sight. Just like I said."

What Obama plan? He actually has one? And when did Bush rant about war in Georgia? You're just making all this stuff up to entertain us, but no, I won't give you your own late night talk show. You can go on Air America (if they are still in business) and push your silly distortions. "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:17 PM:

" PPF-

If you don't know Obamas plan for Iraq, that's nobody's fault but yours. "

kevin wrote on Sep 4, 2008 6:34 AM:

" PPF, B.O.'s "plan" was to declare surrender and pull our troops out of Iraq immediately. Of course he DID say that if Al Quaeda came back he would put troops BACK IN Iraq. (At what cost of life?) Also, just to be perfectly clear (lol), he refused to promise that all troops would be gone from Iraq at the END of his term in four years.

Like ALL of B.O.'s propaganda, he says something different every time he gives a speech. I guess that is what he means by 'CHANGE"... "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:07 AM:

" oh, that Obama plan . . . it is well suited as a plan from an empty suit candidate.

I'm still waiting for Ruff to point to when Bush ranted about war with Georgia, as he claimed in the Sept 2 7:58PM post here. Just more ruff innuendo, without any basis or fact, and just like Obama's promises. "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Correction: I should have said war in Georgia, my error. "

antipc wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:36 PM:

" No worries PPF, Billy Jeffs' state of Arkansas said they ain't goin' to be invaded like Georgia. "

asahigo wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:08 AM:

" Registered republican here. After watching the DNC and RNC along with countless hours of researching both sides, it is my opinion that McCain and Palin would be the best team. I still believe there are far better candidates out there, that for political or economic reasons never got a chance. I don't believe most of what Obama says. His promises are unattainable. Whoever does win is going to have an awfully tough first term. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:47 AM:

" Teacher said " I'm speechless... "

Me too. Wow. It's interesting because I have always tried to teach my children to broaden their perspective on life and read about differing views, even those they don't agree with.

I'm not suggesting that anyone posting here has adjustment problems of any sort but parents need to be extra vigilant not to teach their children to view the world and the opinions of other people in such a narrow way. I really appreciate when young people can say, "well your idea is interesting but...." When I see young people just "labeling" so many things, it concerns me.

Are those their own ideas or a reflection of those around them? Anyway, about the problems with adjustment (that's a mild term for what it really is); I recently read that children who are taught to be discriminatory toward others; who are taught to hate or dislike other people whose opinions, looks, skin color, sexual orientation, or political views differ from there own are more likely to have substantial adjustment problems later on.

I do not think it's healthy for the NVR to allow a twelve year old child to have their own blog. I think it feeds the situation and causes a young person to become even more "stuck" in their thought process. Sixteen is a more acceptable age for taking on the responsibilities of a blog because the extra level of maturity allows a person to think for themselves and perhaps allows those extra life experiences to broaden their perspective. "

XMAN wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:36 AM:

" I will vote for the candidate who can solve the problems of energy, economy and illegal immigration. Since the campaign is just starting, I have no idea who that will be until I hear the details on how these problems will get solved. So far, nothing I have read on this posting board has convinced me of anything one way or another. "

kevin wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:39 PM:

" If you resolve the energy issue, the economy will take care of itself. I like that McCain is willing to look at ALL viable options: drilling, nuclear, solar, etc... B.O. is trying to be PC and not commit to nuclear or new drilling. (Or maybe he is today, he keeps changing his position...) I also like that McCain didn't pander to the farmers in Iowa (like B.O. did) and promise more subsidies for useless ethanol.

BOTH candidates favor amnesty for illegals, so there is nothing we can do about that... "

rage against wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:50 AM:

" Another thing that put me over the edge to vote for Obama, apart from my dislike of Bush's policy and the obvious similarities between his policy and Mcain's, is there stance on the war.
I have listened to both canidates on this issue, and I have researched their respective websites, which detail their positions on Iraq and the war.
What I found was that Obama has consistently stood behind the position that he will be responsible for the end the war. For those that say he is always changing his mind, he hasn't changed his mind about that issue.
The thing about war for me is, I understand it is inevitable, but at some point it must end. I understand that Mccain wants the Iraqi's to be independent and peaceful when we leave, but Mccain does not go the distance to claim that he will push for the war to end, or will end the war. This is suspicious and depressing in my mind. If our president is not going to commit to ending a war, that has already lasted over a half-decade, I have to ask myself if this person really understands the people and what they want. I feel Obama understands what people want today, and that is peace, not war without the mention of end. "

rage against wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:08 PM:

" Also, I have researched the physics and chemistry behind alternative energy sources. I feel that if we cannot support our country with solar, wind, hydroelectric, goethermal, (and hopefully hydrogen separation of some kind) then we will not be around for much longer as a society.
Now is the time to shed our dependence on burning fossil fuels and creating nuclear waste. We will have to do these things eventually, or we will drown in our own refuse.
I support Obama's position to invest in and push for more alternative energy, as well as his position to ease our dependence on foriegn oil. He purposes to do this not by drilling for more oil, but by easing our dependence on burning fossil fuels in general. "

cop105 wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:52 PM:

" What has Obamessiah done for our country since he became a...oh yeah community organizer. I call the cops when I see a crime committed, that retty much qualifies me as a community organizer. I am not voting for anyone who hangs out with the guy who blew up the NYPD headquarters. John McCain sacrificed his life for our country, Obama will sacrifice our country to please the world. "

reader wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:52 PM:

" MC BUSH / Palin -NO

OBAMA / BIDEN - YES!!

No more SHRUBS in the White House! "

kevin wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:05 PM:

" You need to do a little more research, rage. There currently IS NO alternative fuel to take the place of oil. Fortunately, we have tremendous reserves, more being found each day, that will allow us time to eventually find an alternative. But we don't need to ruin our economy by making rash and irresponsible decisions like arbitrarily saying we will not be using oil in 10 years.

As for the war, B.O. has said numerous things about Iraq: he will pull the troops out immediately, he will pull them out is 16 months, he will send them back to Iraq if Al Quaeda comes back, he refuses to promise to have the troops out in 4 years. Just like all his other positions, he doesn't just take both sides, he has three or more... "

Doug Pharr wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:27 PM:

" It seems to me that Obama has purposely made himself a blank canvas upon which others can project their hopes and dreams, and believe he will deliver them. Turns out, Obama agrees with me.

Obama himself wrote in Audacity of Hope at page 11: "I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them."

Obama’s soaring rhetoric over substance IS their strategy. According to the Washington Post, his close advisor David Axelrod has long urged Democratic campaigns “revolve more around personality than policy.” Obviously when he found Obama, he thought he hit the Mother Lode.

By the way, how come when unemployment goes up, the Dems get away with claiming it is happening on Bush and McCain’s watch? Hasn’t it happened on Obama and Biden’s watch? Hasn’t Obama been a Senator for almost two years? Haven’t the Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate all that time? Isn’t it actually happening on the watch of a do-nothing Congress that doesn’t want to solve any problems because that might hurt the Democrat's chances to win the Presidency?

They won those majorities in 2006 when they promised, if elected, they would reduce the price of gasoline, fix the economy, get bin laden (but surrender in Iraq), and generally make the world a better place. Has the President vetoed some major Democratic legislation that would have solved all of our problems? If so, I didn’t hear about it.

The Obama and the Democrats are peddling snake oil. Wake up, America! "

WorksInNapa wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:34 PM:

" I'm voting for the lesser of two evils. I hope the selection will be better in '12. "

anticommie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:24 AM:

" Raven wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:39 PM:

" so ...have you found out who among the media corporations is a communist, anti?...I want to root them out...... "

CNN, MSNBC, NPR... Wolf Blitzer, Kieth Oberman, the whole bunch of 'em, in my opinion. I feel that those on the left are a little oblivious to the left wing radicalism that spreads like a virus on our T.V. screens. That or they just agree with it. "

Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:37 AM:

" anti---you keep spouting that roll call but have yet to provide a single name on their board or management who you can say for certain is a communist.....when did they join the party?....just cuz you don't like what they say doesnt mean they are commies.... "

anticommie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:15 PM:

" Raven,

once again if you read through my statements I make aware that in the 60's in America that Communism went through a transformation into Socialism. While doing so the Left wing began using terms like "progressive" instead of communism and socialism. So... I am saying that though the Major Communist party looks as though it no longer exists, the liberal agenda continues on with communist idealogy. So in an essence, I am making the claim that most left wingers ( in one form or another) are communists or socialists. "

Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:12 PM:

" so now they are merely communists in their hearts.....

btw...progressive came into use as a political description a bit before the 1960s.....or did the commies take that and change its meaning.... "

Rich wrote on Sep 7, 2008 5:50 PM:

" Hey Ruff, notice how the poll is going?
How about some Two Buck Chuck to go with that crow? "

Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:35 PM:

" yeah...we all know how scientific that poll is...I was merely surprised it took all the bush supports that long to figure out how to game the poll "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:25 PM:

" Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:35 PM:
" yeah...we all know how scientific that poll is...I was merely surprised it took all the bush supports that long to figure out how to game the poll "

Makes me wonder if when Obama loses the election, if he will use the same liars..errr...lawyers who whined in Gore's behalf.... "

Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:52 PM:

" interesting leap there, dwayne....from a nonscientific web poll....to election fraud... "

rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Kevin, there currently is no alternate energy source to take the place of oil, that can meet our bloated, bent-on-war and greed economy, this is true. We can't expect hydroelectric power to take the place of our addiction to useless plastic bottles and bags, which are of course, made from oil. And we could never expect to use solar power to drive our caddilac escalades, hummer 3's and stretch ferrari limos right? Or what about the more ubiquitous suburbans, BMW SUV's, Trail Blazers, Expeditions, Jeep Grand Cherokees, any other vehicle that has poor gas mileage, but really looks great on the road.
What Obama suposes is that we, the people, change our policies as well as or behaviors. NOWHERE in Obama's plan is there a commitment to cutting our dependence on oil foriegn or otherwise within 10 years. What you might be referring to is Obama's plan to supplant 10% of our oil dependence with alternative energy by 2012. Anyone who is confused about this should take a look at his policies. Usually if something sounds outlandish and unattainable, it is probably an exageration, and requires more critical thought. "

rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:16 AM:

" When it comes to the war in Iraq, I think you have to figure, we started this war to find and stop the use of Weapons of Mass destruction. In 2003 the U.S. weapons inspector concluded "The ISG has not found evidence that Saddam possessed WMD stocks in 2003, but [there is] the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq, although not of a militarily significant capability."
Now it seems the war continues in order to aid in the creation of a free-and independent Iraq, a goal of which many other more desperate countries are in need. According to the last count 11 out of 18 Iraqi provinces are now under Iraqi security forces control. It appears that the end to this contraversial and bloody occupation is in sight, or at least the beginning of the end is underway. I prefer to side with the person who sees a close proximity to the end of this war, and not an unknown wandering path. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:16 AM:

" rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:31 AM:".....there currently is no alternate energy source to take the place of oil, that can meet our bloated, bent-on-war and greed economy....."

And aren't you proud that we are the most productive nation on the planet, as well as being the first to provide aid for disasters anywhere in the world...

Kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling when you see our flag waving in the wind, and want to stare at it and put your hand over your heart, eh...???

Ain't it great to be the good guys.... "

kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:51 PM:

" Hey rage, according to the BBC:

"Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has outlined a plan he claims would end US reliance on imported oil within 10 years at a campaign speech in Michigan."

THEY don't seem to be CONFUSED at all... "

kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:17 PM:

" ST. LOUIS, Mo. - Sen. Barack Obama's foes seized Sunday upon a brief slip of the tongue, when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said, "my Muslim faith."

I almost feel sorry for the guy. When it rains, it pours... "

russ wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:50 PM:

" Bob Woodward, in an interview last night on 20/20, stated that the United States military has Special Forces operating in Iraq, with new state of the art technology, which enables targeting and killing Al Qaeda leadership with precision.

Wodward's advice to Al Qaeda was to get out of Iraq or be killed.

Woodward also stated that success of the surge was in part due to this Special Forces operation, which has helped to decimate Al Qaeda.

My guess is that Afghanistan and Pakistan are getting the same.

rage, get out now? Obama, get out now? "

Raven wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:41 PM:

" yes, get out of Iraq now because the Iraqis want us out....

Dwayne explain to me how this.."And aren't you proud that we are the most productive nation on the planet, as well as being the first to provide aid for disasters anywhere in the world...

Kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling when you see our flag waving in the wind, and want to stare at it and put your hand over your heart, eh...???"

has anything to do with alternative energy sources, the quote of rages you said you were responding to.. "

rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:47 PM:

" Good question Raven. I don't understand what Dwayne was trying to say, but I have a feeling he didn't understand what I was saying, so I guess it makes sense. Dwayne if you are still there, maybe you could explain yourself a little clearer for us. I will try to do the same.
Bassically, we have an addiction to oil. We are not alone in the world by any means, but it is our capability to see our faults that sets us apart from the world and allows us to take care of our responsibilities. If we conserved more energy during our days, purchased more fuel efficient vehicles, and acted a bit more concerned about the earth that we are polluting, we will open up the door for alternative, waste-free, energy to step in for fossil fuels and nuclear energy. I hope this clears things up, although I have a feeling it won't. "

rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:53 PM:

" Kevin, I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. Obama's plan is to decrease our dependence on oil (foriegn and otherwise) 10% by 2012. This is very attainable and exactly what the country should be doing no matter who is president. He has stood by this position since the beginning of his candidacy. Personally, I have a problem with a candidate who doesn't fully support alternative forms of energy. "

kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:30 PM:

" That's NOT what he said rage.

I know this is difficult for Democrats (especially B.O.) but words MEAN things.

B.O. SAID he would END (not reduce) US dependence on foreign oil in 10 years.

He can't do that. Even if we Drill Here, Drill Now we won't eliminate our dependence on foreign oil in 10 years. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Well Raven, you liberals want to paint this country in as bad a light as possible, and you want everyone to be mad about something all the time, just like unions, who are never happy about anything...

I'm proud of this country, and don't subscribe to your thinking that we are the most wasteful... I am merely pointing out that we use the most resources because we are the most productive country on the planet, including foreign aid...

You constantly complain about gred and whatever else you can conjure up, and conveniently leave out the mitigating circumstances that make us the good guys...

You think we deserve to be hated throughout the world because you overlook all the good that we do...

If you listen to Nancy Pelosi and Obama you'll align yourself with the most radical negative view of YOUR country, while blindly ignoring the big picture of who we really are... "

rage against wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Actually, Kevin that is what he is saying.

I was wrong earlier when I said that Obama doesn't plan on being free from foriegn oil in ten years. HE DOES plan on doing that, but first he plans on completely transforming our economy.

In the speach that you are reffering to Obama outlined a complete transformation of the U.S. economy, with the goal to be free from our dependency to foriegn oil by 2019. This will take the kind of ingenuity and hard working American spirit that Roosevelt called for when he gave us the New Deal, and Kennedy demanded when he purposed to land a man on the moon.
These are the kind of times we are living in once again, the all or nothing times. You can't give just a little bit and expect the world to change. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Tell ya what, Raven.... I'll make a deal with you....

You send me all the defective and unwanted children that you don't kill, and I'll take care of them... How's that...:-) "

rage against wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:46 AM:

" Dwayne writes
"You send me all the defective and unwanted children that you don't kill, and I'll take care of them... How's that...:-)"
Again, I don't see the significance of this comment and/or what you are trying to say, but your earlier comment at 9:14 is very clear to me.
I want an America that is not dependent on foriegn oil to fuel our kid's schoolbusses, our own vehicles, and ultimately support our economy.
I want the world to revere Americans as a responsible, peaceful, perservering people.
I want our countries popular images to be those of strong, healthy families, independent, hard-working individuals, intelligent, moral social activists, not movie gods and rock stars with huge expensive houses, diamond jewelery, $200,000 automobiles, or slick business executives who sell out the working man for their own gain, or political tv personalities on both sides who spend more time on their hair and makeup than they do worrying about what the networks have them saying.
I want a better America than the one I live in today. I purpose, along with millions of others, and presidential candidate Barack Obama, that we can change for the better.
To me, change and improvement are positive concepts. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Obama now says that the Iraq timetable may be adjusted. Obama now says the tax cuts may not be rescinded right away. Obama eventually came to the same conclusion about Georgia that McCain came out with his first time (Obama took three tries to get there). Obama promised change in Washington and then chose for VP nominee an insider with more years in Washington than McCain. Obama now says the Iraq surge worked. On and on ad nauseum.

Yes, change can be good. Pretty soon, Obama will be changing into a Republican! "

Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:22 PM:

" dwayne......you constantly amaze me....I have never said we were the most wasteful....and regarding what I think of my country....this sums it it for me...a statement by Wisconsin
Senator Carl Schurz, in a speech delivered at the Anti-Imperialistic Conference, Chicago, Illinois, October 17, 1899: “I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country—when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’” "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:35 PM:

" Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:22 PM:
" dwayne......you constantly amaze me..."

I am amazing, aren't I.... :-) "

winemd wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:36 PM:

" Raven the one problem I have with that statement is who decides when our country is wrong? There are many people who think abortion is wrong and they are trying to "put it right" but you do not support them trying to do so, do you? "

LifeLongNapan wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:45 PM:

" I don't think it matters who we pick. Our country was stupid enough to elect Bush twice. All politicians are crooked. "

Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:53 PM:

" as long as they do it within the law, yes....and i will oppose them within the law to the best of my ability "

vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:47 PM:

" LOL lifelongnapan. I was just thinking the same thing right before I read your post. I was also reflecting on how stupid the rest of the world must think we are with two times Bush and now Palin. The field of politics tends to attract sociopath types, I think, the kind who manipulate to get what they want and then dispose of those they no longer need. The exception is Obama. He strikes me as being sincere. "

rage against wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Obama is sincere in his commitment to the people of this country.

The more exposure he gains, the better he understands what the people of this country want. The changing of his stance on certain issues is a direct result of his commitment to the people. A president who can admit his faults, open his mind and change his opinions, and satisfy the population he represents is who Obama will become.

By no means is this man perfect, but he is the best choice this country has. "

Gunga Ga Lunga wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:31 AM:

" So Obama is sincere. Now that’s a comforting feeling! After all, it’s our “feelings” that really count. Once again the democrats have nominated a far left candidate that would take us into socialist nirvana. Too bad that's not really what the majority of us want. What’s that I hear being whispered by the democrats? That’s right…”buyer’s remorse”. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:04 PM:

" One important and puzzling feature of psychosis is usually an accompanying lack of insight into the unusual, strange, or bizarre nature of another person's experience or behavior. Even in the case of an acute psychosis, people may be completely unaware that their vivid delusions are in any way "unrealistic".

Just sayin'...... "

rage against wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Dwayne,
Thank you for explaining why I've been having such a hard time understanding your posts. Here I thought it was just your semantics.

Gunga,
The majority of our country opposes the war in Iraq. According to Fox news over 60% of our country disapprove of Bush's policies. And the majority of bloggers (49 %) right here in Napa are going to vote for Obama. These are the "realistic" numbers of the majority. "

Raven wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:31 PM:

" so you are saying that is where your support for Bush and McCain comes from.... "

vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 10, 2008 2:42 PM:

" Dwayne, who said ANYTHING about "psychosis"? Below are a few symptoms and descriptions of SOCIOPATH aka Antisocial Personality Disorder. it fits the description of a few, extreme right, fundamentalist politicians like a glove.

Antisocial Personality Disorder is also known as psychopathy or
sociopathy. Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the
feeling and welfare of others.
They do not consider other people's wishes, welfare or
rights. They can be manipulative and may lie to gain personal
pleasure or profit.

not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:46 PM:

" Raven wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:31 PM:
" so you are saying that is where your support for Bush and McCain comes from.... "

In spite of our political differences, I actually like you, Raven... You argue for your limitations... That takes guts..... "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:01 PM:

" Statistically 49% is not a majority. It may be a higher percentage than others, but you have to get over 50% to have a majority. Clinton never received over 50% of the popular votes in his elections either. Of course as we all know he won the electoral college vote and that is what counts. "

winemd wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:30 PM:

" Raven, do you support those who have proposed proposition 8, and what will you do if it passes? "

misfit wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:09 PM:

" I think we "Dems" should all band together and boycott all of the corporate broadcast media. Maybe they would have to listen after all once it begins to effect their bottom line. "

kevin wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:34 PM:

" Vocal, have you been spying on me again and documenting my behavior? "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:44 PM:

" misfit - that's a really good idea. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:10 PM:

" Yes Kevin. Dear me....you've escaped one too many times. We'll have to put you into a higher security ward this time, at taxpayers expense I might add! "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:51 AM:

" misfit wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:09 PM:
" I think we "Dems" should all band together and boycott all of the corporate broadcast media. Maybe they would have to listen after all once it begins to effect their bottom line. "

Great idea... I'd even switch parties to join you, but I still wouldn't vote for Obama... Haaaaaa........ "

kdbk wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:52 PM:

" Well in to Sept. and here we have left-leaning Napa at 50% Obama to 48% McCain in the polling. That spells BYE-BYE for Obama in Nov. It also spells sweet silence from the leftist crowd who supports that sorry excuse for a Presidential candidate. "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 12, 2008 6:45 AM:

" Kdbk-

You're kidding right? You realize this isn't a scientific poll and it tells us nothing about the upcoming election? You can vote as many times as you want in this poll as we saw when McCain went on a 45-3 run a couple days ago to make this thing close. Try reviewing the state-by-state polls and get back to me. Thanks "

MarkMiwords wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:04 AM:

" McCain has long been known for his outbursts of temper. That's the last thing we need considering his party sent our troops out to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation. Lets face it folks, Bush made us, the US, the bad guys. Bush should have gone after Bin Laden, but instead he mired us in a war that is draining our economy. McCain supports that. Palin supports that. McCain chose Palin, The Aniti-Choice to pander to the female vote. Does he think the American woman is so stupid to think that she is a substitute for Hilary? What an insult! Palin's policies set women's issues back 40 years! McCain, at 72, is the oldest candidate EVER to run for president. Should he "kick the bucket" while in office, we'll be stuck with an anti-choice, pro drilling, war against Russia, self-proclaimed soccer mom running our nation! "

rage against wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Markmiwords,
I couldn't agree more. However you want to look at it, McCain/Palin is a synonym for Bush/Cheney. Very happy to mark your words, hope that others will do the same.
kdbk, I don't understand how a poll showing Obama in the lead can spell defeat for him in November. And to Hear ye's point, these polls don't mean anything. Try asking some people outside your normal interaction limit. I think you will find most are voting for Obama and Biden. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:37 AM:

" I can't help but wonder where the people are who Obama helped as a community organizer. If he was so good at it, it only makes sense that at least a few would step forward and tell their story. Maybe even just one...???

The only friends he seems to have are kept out of the limelight because they are irrational like Reverend Wright, or convicted Chicago thugs...

Who will speak for Obama and tell his "story"...???

The DNC has dumped 30+ lawyers and investigators into Alaska to dig for information about Sarah. They've even offered cash to people in bars to talk about her.

There's gotta be someone out there with a personal story about Omama... Right...??? Where are they...???

The guy has to have something more going for him than his manufactured messianic complex.....

I wanna hear from just one "victim" who Obama helped turn his/her life around as a community organizer, don't you...??? Just one...... "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:14 PM:

" As I previously posted, community organizers in Chicago were mostly fertilizer stirrers, who got people up in arms about something or other and then disappeared. I would compare them to the people who put the Berkeley tree-sitters up to it. Their other (and actual) function was to get to know people and get them out to vote. More importantly, to vote the Democrat line (and yes, they knew how a person voted - don't tell me how voting is by secret ballot in Chicago, I have direct experience with that). Their paychecks came from various community activist groups that were very often funded by the city government or some outside group with an axe to grind. We did not consider a community organizer to be a very high or good position in Chicago. The job usually did not lead up to anything unless you got to know some of the background people like Tony Rezko, who then helped you out of Chicago.

As a community organizer, your time was your own, and as long as you stirred things up, kept up your contacts, and got out the vote you got your paycheck. Kind of shows in the job performance of a senator from Illinois. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Dwayne, prove it to me that "The DNC has dumped 30+ lawyers and investigators into Alaska". This sounds like "paranoid" talk. Have you ever considered that those snoopers are the media and that someone has twisted into to be something else? Use your critical thinking skills please. "

Joe wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:25 PM:

" President Bush said in 2000 before he was elected president that he would invade Iraq if they did not let weapon inspectors into the country. Clinton was letting them get away with no searches for years. Islamic terrorism has been a problem for decades, not just since Bush Jr. He has done a great job going after these terroists. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:03 PM:

" vocal-de-local....

Google, dude..... Google.......

You know you're safe, because we can't post non-gov links here...... "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:04 PM:

" PPF.....

Shhhhh.... Don't steal my bait... I know about ACORN... "

dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:11 PM:

" vocal-de-local -- the 30+ lawyers & investigators has already been de-bunked. But by the time it is, of course the lies have been repeated around the world several times, and for some, that's all it takes.

We gotta keep on it; these dirty campaign tactics abound. "

rage against wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:46 PM:

" Very funny, how you ask someone to give you their sources and they can't provide any.
Dirty campaign tactics and misinformation is all that is left of the Republican party. I will be amazed if the Republicans get a quarter of the electoral college.
Dellasumbrella, you are correct, we have to keep pushing back the tide. Obama's message of change and the policy he has laid out is clear for anyone who wants to see it.
Visit Obama's website and see for yourself. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 5:00 PM:

" rage against wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:46 PM:".....I will be amazed if the Republicans get a quarter of the electoral college. "

Ummmm, better check the map... It's neck an' neck right now, and moving in favor of McCain/Palin..... "

Sandra wrote on Sep 12, 2008 9:22 PM:

" I'm marking your words here..." Bush should have gone after Bin Laden, but instead he mired us in a war that is draining our economy. McCain supports that."
I am confused. McCain was against going into Iraq. He told Bush so. He also said that if Bush pushed to go into Iraq, that he better make sure he gets the job done correctly. Well Bush went in, and did not do the job correctly. Both things different than what McCain said. Then McCain kept pushing for the surge, contrary to what both parties wanted. When McCain finally got enough people to agree with him, the surge happened, and it worked. So explain to me, how is that supporting Bush' policies? If Bush had listened to McCain none of this would have happened. I guess if you keep repeating lies long enough someone will believe you. Oh and the rest of your post follows along in the same vein of "WRONG"....hope I marked your words well enough. "

napaman5446 wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:09 PM:

" Woops last comment had a link that shows how sarah palin wants to set us back 100 years not only with our women's uterus, but teach creationism as well?

I don't care about her 17 y/o. Why should she care about anybody else's choice.

I'm voting for the 21st century. Remember that we're in a new century and Mcwhatever is a dinosaur. "

XMAN wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:29 AM:

" I cannot cast a vote today because the campaign has just started and I'm not yet clear on each candidate's campaign platform. For those of you whose minds are made up based on racism, sexism or partisan leanings - you are a slam dunk and all you need to do now is to slander the other party's candidate and wait. There are a lot of us who have not yet made up our minds. Enough of us to swing the election one way or another. If you took a poll right now it wouldn't be accurate because many of us could not participate. We are undecided. One thing we do not like is a lot of mud-slinging and slander from one party about the other. Those are not the real issues. In fact, such tactics will detract from the credibility of the party doing it. You want our vote? Run an objective and clean campaign. Yes - I'm talking to you. "

reason-ator wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:17 AM:

" Non of the above should have been a less specific choice. "

Sandra wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:39 PM:

" wow....tied today on the register poll....For those who have not paid attention to register polls of the past, this is a first for Napa. Usually the liberal vote is about 2 to 1. INTERESTING.... "

finewine wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:39 AM:

" " With everything going on around us with potential threats from countries like Russia and Korea, I think having a strong military and strong Homeland Security should be a top priority when deciding who to vote for. Without this, nothing else is going to matter if we get bombed... I think McCain and Palin have our protection on the TOP of their list! I think Obama thinks he's "GOD" and "talks" too much! People like him are dangerous and will do MORE harm to us than good!!"

McCain and Palin have my vote!
Cheri Fels "

rage against wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:15 AM:

" Finewine,

Sounds like you have bought fully into the appeal to fear fallacy that the republicans sell so well. Be sure you don't have any Russian or Korean in you or your family before you fully commit, otherwise you might find yourself lumped into the huge list of potential threats you talked about. That same war-mongering regime you support might do exactly what it is made to do, and turn it's guns on you one day. Nothing but historical examples to back up that simple assumption.

As for issues like education, social reform, the economy, global climate...I'm sure more spending on the military can win those battles too, right? "

Raven wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:00 PM:

" been away for a few days and looks what I miss....

winemd, my answer about prop 8 is that I strongly oppose it, will vote against and if it somehow manages to pass, I will work hard to change it.... "

vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:38 PM:

" Raven, LOL! That's hilarious! "

Raven wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:38 PM:

" glad you liked it vocal "

14obama wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:05 PM:

" Obama,who else ? I can't be voting for an onry old man who can't remember his name. What happens when he kicks the bucket ? You think we have problems now ? I don't even want to go there ! "

Word wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 AM:

" The calamity on Wall Street might be just what it takes for people across the country to wake up, look past the born-again populist message mouthed by McCain and the smiley-faced, down-home gibberish from Palin to see their future is being destroyed by the "big business comes first" policies of the Bush Administration and Republican Party. Obama is the best hope we have for responsible, rational, if not new government. "

Luv1mom wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Anyone halfway intelligent should realize the ever worsening economy is the current Republican administration's doing. You have to ask yourself, and be honest, can we endure 4 more years of this??

Obama/Biden 2008 is a must!! "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 17, 2008 5:18 PM:

" When we look back, one of the biggest mistakes of the McCain campaign may have been to mock 'community organizers' at their convention in Minnesota.

'Community organizers', aka 'community activists' are relentlessly working on voter registration. Nobody sets up a podium, holds a mic and a camera up for them, but they have their eye on the prize.

We now see Obama pulling ahead in the polls.

And with record-setting numbers of folks signing up for, contributing to, and talking to their neighbors about voting for Barack Obama, we are seeing the Bush/McBush Republicans in big trouble.

Sarah Palin and Rudy Guiliani are not the only people who made fun of 'community organizers' at the Republican Convention, but together they may have... to paraphrase Admiral Yamamoto...

"Awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."

No need to argue with Republicans to win in November... even if it is easy and somewhat fun... out organize them.

Ooooh! Yes... We... CAN !!!

~Ruff "

kevin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 6:48 PM:

" Well, the Dems aren't helping themselves by constantly repeating the "Jesus was a community organizer and Pilate was a Governor" mantra.

First it is just wrong (Jesus was a carpenter), second it just sounds strange to have Libs talking about the Bible, something they obviously know little about because...

...they evidently don't remember what happened to Jesus... "

Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Kevin,
Didn't Jesus say "Render unto Ceaser, what is Ceasers."
He also said his kingdom was not of this earth.......doesn't that translate to mean he was not political, and believed that everyone's faith should be in Gods hands? Somehow I don't see Obama following in these footsteps....nor does that make Jesus a community organizer....but it was a nice try from Obamas campaign....quite lame...but nice try... "

luv1mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:05 AM:

" Kevin and Sandra - you are so not thought provoking . . . quite lame . . . but nice try . . ."

Obama/Biden 2008 "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:22 AM:

" I personally don't care much about the whole "jesus was a community organizer" slogan, but knowing a thing or two about the bible there is plenty of evidence to support the idea. "

Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Luv1mom...okie dokie, its like that, huh?
I will repeat what I said to Ruff:

I am ruuber, and you are glue.
Whatever you say,
bounces offf me,
and sticks to you.

Playground games...what fun!

Now as to why the posts from Kevin and I SHOULD provoke thought....
It is more of the same type of strategy that the Obama Campaign has used throughout this race...which is one of comparing Obama to historical figures so as to equate him to them. It was Lincoln, and MLK earlier, and now its Jesus.
I find that alarming, and manipulative. I also find it insulting to my intelligence.
You don't need to think about it though.....

What you might want to think about, is that Clinton laid the groundwork for the situation we are now in concerning our economy and the fanny mays, etc. Seems to me the mess was, at the least, a bipartisan effort. Clintons for starting it, and Bush's for not fixing it. Oh, and lets not leave out the congress. They are the ones that introduce the legislation.... "

Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:21 PM:

" Hear Ye...there is plenty in the bible to support a variety of ideas, depending on who is doing the reading.... "

luv1mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:25 PM:

" But Sandra, my comment used a portion of your earlier quote . . . don't worry, I won't be using the "ruuber glue" quote. "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Sandra-

I agree with you. That was kind of my point. "

Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:22 PM:

" Luv1mom, you continue to point out the obvious to me. You really do not need to go to the trouble. I know what I wrote. I know what you wrote. My post was to get you to see that your post was childish, by my childish response.

Hear ye, I was agreeing with you also.
I think you misunderstand me.
My point about Jesus being a community organizer JUST like Obama, was to underline the strategy that the Obama campaign is using in regards to comparing their candidate to famous figures from the past.
It was not to pose an argument on whether jesus was really a community organizer, or not. (Though my personal opinion is he wasn't. )
This Obama campaign strategy is a simplistic, manipulative ploy, which I find offensive on many levels. I am surprised anyone would fall for it. But then again, there are those who want simple answers, and want to be led with out having to think for themselves. I find the whole thing ironic, because of the almost worshipful quality the hard core supporters show to him. It alarms me that the campaign would play on this... There is too much demogogary going on. "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:31 PM:

" Sandra-

It really depends what side of the fence you're on. To me, There is much more demogogary going on with McCain and company.
I'm not sure I know the origin of the "Jesus was a community organizer" but from my very brief research it doesn't seem to come directly from the campaign, could definitely be wrong though.
Furthermore, the statement is a reaction to the disgusting mockery of community service by Palin and Guliani among others. It's the idea that the very people who use God to gain voters then mock a profession that I think most would say would be seen in a good light by Jesus (as can be supported by the New Testament). It's the republicans who use terms like "messiah" and "the one" to describe Obama. It's just a talking point of the republicans to try and explain away the excitement about Obama. Oh Obama drew 75,000 to a speech, well that must be because he thinks he's a god and has everyone fooled. No, it's because a lot of people really dislike Bush and co. and Obama is very different than Bush. It's also because the young people are energized about having a candidate that they can relate too.
The bottome line IMO is that your last paragraph would probably be agreed with by roughly half the country and if you wrote McCain instead Obama the other roughly half of the country would now agree with you. McCain fits your last paragraph much stronger to me so put me in the latter.
Is it true you're a registered Democrat? If so, why? This is a sincere question, BTW "

luv1mom wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:47 AM:

" Sandra: I do not think my post was childish. It is obvious you are not a fan of Obama, and continually lash out at those of us who support him. You seem to want to educate us so we will suddenly see the light and vote for McCain. I do not need to be educated, I am not looking for simple answers, and I certainly can think for myself. That is why I am not buying into the McPain promise of change. A simplistic manipulative ploy was for McCain to choose a WOMAN he met ONCE hoping to get the female vote. It is very obvious to many women and I find that offensive. Palin's values are going to set women back 100 years. We just need to agree to disagree.

I very much agree with Hear Ye, I am not sure the “Jesus was a community organizer” came from Obama’s camp either. My take is also that Palin is obviously close to Jesus, who, though I am not religious, seemed to fall into the category of a community organizer, yet they criticize Obama for being a community organizer. As Hear Ye said, the REPS refer to Obama as a “messiah” and “the one”. Hear Ye further states that Obama IS different than Bush, as well as McCain and Palin, and a lot of us like that about him. I have not been interested in presidential elections in years, but Obama's ideas, vision, and inspiration as to what could be different in our country has me glued to this election. "

Sandra wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:19 PM:

" Luv1mom, I do not lash out. I only retort people lashing out. There is a difference.
I know you do not get that your post was childish, That is why you say many of the things you say.
And actually I think Obama is probably allright. It is supporters that scare me.

Hear ye, ...and Palin's denegration of Obama being a community organizer came from Obamas side saying she was ONLY a mayor and Govenor , so did not have experience...tit for tat, playground games....
I am able to see that clearly. I do not think strong Obama supporters, or fervent McCain supporters have the ability to look at these things clearly.

Look at many of the extreme supporter's posts....they display tunnel vision and blindness....there are childish responses, namecalling of the opposition...examples....McPain, OsamaObama, rethuglicans, RepubliCONS, DUMocrats...and this lovely quote which says nothing yet conveys so much, " Kevin and Sandra - you are so not thought provoking... ".

I think you and I probably agree on more than we disagree. We are saying close to the same thing, but from a different perspective. "

luv1mom wrote on Sep 19, 2008 2:27 PM:

" Sandra: Maybe my comments would appear childish to someone in their 70’s. Shocker that you think Obama is probably allright?? But his supporters scare you?? I again state that you and Kevin in earlier comments trying to play Jesus and religion into Obama’s campaign is NOT thought provoking. It just muddies up the water and takes away from the real issues here. You do not think that fervent McCain supporters can see the facts clearly? Yet YOU see clearly? What? Gee, you strike me as a fervent McCain supporter. So go ahead, you and PPF, and all the other reps can pick on me, I can take it. I still stand strong in support of Obama/Biden. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:54 PM:

" luv1mom - I'm not sure who appointed Sandra hall monitor, but the whole "I'm really civil and the rest of you are just sooo woooode..." schtick wearing thin.

Republican-enablers go on a civility kick every time they find themselves out-gunned in the food-fight they themselves started.

The Election2008 food-fight will be over soon after November 4th, and after a brief mop up period, the Republican-enablers can put entire "Osama-Obama was born in Kenya" factories on 24/7 shifts.

The rest of us probably won't notice the difference.

Cheers,

~Ruff "

Sandra wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:36 AM:

" "Maybe my comments would appear childish to someone in their 70’s. " Ahhh age-ism at it's finest.....
"Gee, you strike me as a fervent McCain supporter."
Yea, I get that. That's one of the reasons I find you hysterical. And why I made the "logic" comment on another post. It was bad of me, I know, but sometimes the "monger" in my FMC bursts out from between Fear and Centrist, and says "LOOK AT ME!". It's a personality flaw. "

Sandra wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:38 AM:

" Ruff, I really try not to be civil with Luv1mom...how can you not see that? "

Sandra wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Hear Ye,
I have always been a democrat. I do not know your age, I am, well by some accounts 70 ish...but this is wrong...I am in my 50's.
I grew up with the civil rights movements, when the feminist movement really took off, etc. I really BELIEVED in the things these movements stood for, and I still do.
Some of the core beliefs were equality, and freedom of speech. And what is happening now alarms me because we do not seem to want to allow those of difering views to even make a sound. The hatred and vitriol is frightening...it is the same hatred and vitriol I remember being spewed when I was younger, and fighting for free speech and equality. This is the hypocrisy I see in todays democratic party. I see many in power doing the exact same things that they marched against in their youth, and justify the behavior because they believe thay are the right and correct ones. There is lots of venom coming from the Democratic party towards anyone who dares question them. Look at what happened to Leiberman, as an example.
I have not left the democratic party...it seems they have left me. I have not changed my registration because frankly, at this point in mt life I do not identify with the Republicans any more than I do the Democrats. I am probably more Libertarian in my politics, but they never have viable candidates to vote for, so I keep my democratic registration....also for old times sake, as I remember what the democratic party used to be. And I still believe in those things.
That is my sincere answer to your sincere question.
Though I would start a FMC party if anyone else cares to join.... "

cab e-girl wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:38 PM:

" No worries Sandra, I think the two blogger's you are citing have become irrelevant. I don't bother even reading their posts anymore. It is just democratic talking points, name calling and tantrum type behavior. No common sense or logic from what I can discern. Anyone who chooses to think freely are soundly ridiculed by these "geniuses." Keep thinking for yourself as you clearly do. "

a teacher wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:43 PM:

" "There is lots of venom coming from the Democratic party towards anyone who dares question them. Look at what happened to Leiberman, as an example."

This is precious. You talk about this like it's a particular Democratic sin, yet check some of your own reactions to Napa Blogger when he sounds some what supportive of Obama. You guys have been very hard on him.

How many moderate republican senators or congressmen are there? I'd wager there are more moderate democrats. Democrats don't have a special derisive name (RINOs) for our more conservative breatheran.

You never cease to amaze me... "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 20, 2008 7:58 PM:

" Cab-e-girl-

I have no idea what you're talking about but thanks for playing. I'm not sure where I have been name calling and showing tantrum type behavior but I actually enjoy a little back and forth with Sandra.

It seems you have the name calling and tantrum type behavior down quite well so it is probably for the better that you skip over my post as that is not the type of dialogue I'm looking for.

Sandra-

Thanks for explaining that, I was curious about your party affiliation and now I understand. "

kevin wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:36 PM:

" ateacher, come on. Your party has "DINOS" just the same as we have "RINOS". You guys just force them to leave the party, like Liberman. We let them continue to run around and cause mischief like Olympia Snowe and Chuck Hegal...

Sandra, you really ARE a Democrat! Because if you were a Republican you wouldn't subject yourself to all the abuse you allow... "

a teacher wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:58 AM:

" " ateacher, come on. Your party has "DINOS" just the same as we have "RINOS"."

Apparently, you didn't get the point of my comment. That's not a name democrats invented. Democrats tend to work with their more ideologically diverse party. The republicans have squeezed out all of the moderates and are quite public about doing so. "

cab e-girl wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:16 PM:

" Hear Ye: I wasn't referring to you (or teach), I find your arguments to at least be reasonable. "

luv1mom wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:08 AM:

" Ruff: Ha ha, yes, it is wearing thin. It's pathetic. "

Sandra wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:27 AM:

" Hear Ye, Cab e-girl was reffering to ......well she knows who, and so do I...can't miss em if you read the posts. It is definetly not you. Sometimes I cannot help myself and poke at them after they have poked me. It is kind of fun keeping them wound up....they are like energizer bunnies....it is a personality fault on my part to enjoy winding them up, but it does amuse this sick part of me...so I seem to not be able to stop....I really try, and do best if I just skip their posts all together. "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:17 AM:

" My bad, I just noticed I was one of the two people you responded to in your post previous to hers. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Barack Hussein Obama’s campaign finance committee’s chairwoman, Penny Pritzker, is hosting Hitler wannabee, Ahmadinejad, on Thursday at the Hyatt. Clearly Obama’s chief fundraiser could refuse to host Ahmadinejad at her hotel. Instead, she has lavishly rolled out the red carpet.

The Pritzker family, Penny in particular, were pioneers in creating a new financial product in the late 1990s & early 2000. It was called the subprime mortgage. When their bank failed, they ended up owing the government 1/2 billion dollars in unreimbursed FDIC insurance payments.

Penny Pritzker is Barack Obama’s chair She is National Finance Chair/Treasurer of Barack Hussein Obama’s presidential campaign & is the owner of the Grand Hyatt in NYC, the hotel hosting the genocidal Hitler wannabee, Ahmadinejad. "

bettye wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:39 PM:

" cop105, Please elaborate on the " Obama hanging out with the person who attacked the NYPD headquarters " statement .. I want to "Factcheck " it to see if it is true .. You do know about that website ,don't you ?? Just type in Factcheck.org .. and I think you will be surprised at all the info ..( that is IF you are interested in the TRUTH ..) It is truly amazing ,what people believe ,and don't even TRY to research it.. Sad.. "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Factcheck.org, used as a resource by so many who wish to “debunk” negative coverage of Obama, is also a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation....

First, keep in mind: Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.....
(FACTCHECK.ORG owned by Annenberg)

Isn't it great to find a conflict of interest to support your candidate...???

Second, keep in mind that ACORN has received payments of nearly a million dollars from the Barack Obama Campaign in 2008...

ACORN Has Been Accused Of Voter Fraud In 13 StatesSince 2004 And Was Convicted Of Falsifying Signatures In A Voter Registration Drive Last July, Drawing A Fine Of $25,000 In Washington State....

Google....Do your homework with a non-biased source..... "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:04 PM:

" So wait...Is Factcheck accurate or not? This is definitely the first time I've heard someone accuse them of being biased. I'm not surprised that there was zero evidence given to show the bias. "

bettye wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:00 PM:

" Alright, does ANYONE out there have proof of Obama " hanging out with the person who attacked NYPD headquarters ?? Dwayne , Factcheck has actually debunked some rumors about your candidate .. they are very unbiased on their website .. I just like the truth, period.. I am really sick of all the lies ,read Revelation 21:8 and see what God has to say .. "

Raven wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:32 PM:

" Google will give you more crap for sources than you know what to do with....the best, unbiased source around is factcheck, followed maybe by snopes....been recognized as that for years...and they play no favorites, they debunk everyone's ads, repub or dem... "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:35 PM:

" Hear Ye.....

You're safe, because we can't post links here... Take your partisan blinders off and give Google a shot if you really have any interest... Just follow the money...

"Love is blind" as they say.... ;-)

BTW Betty, I don't have a candidate... I'm not too happy with McCain, but admit that with what I know about Obama, he scares me to death... Ahmadinejad is endorsing Obama, as well as Hammas... So unless you're joined at the hip with terrorists and extremists, you might wanna do a bit more honest research... "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 23, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Raven wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:32 PM:
" Google will give you more crap for sources than you know what to do with....the best, unbiased source around is factcheck, followed maybe by snopes....been recognized as that for years...and they play no favorites, they debunk everyone's ads, repub or dem... "

Wrong, but hey, denial is not a river in Egypt...

You're smart, and could follow the money and draw your own conclusions, if you wanted to... Starry-eyed Obama groupies are not inclined to dig deeper though, because they are afraid of what they may find...

Hey, even Obama has too much pride to admit that he goofed in selecting Biden as VP, so I'm not surprised that you are following suit... You're not alone, half the country has been hoodwinked......

Where are Obama's "friends"...??? The upstanding ones in the community that he has helped...??? His only "friends" are hateful preachers (2), corrupt domestic terrorists (2), and Fannie and Freddie who contributed millions to his campaign (that was YOUR money)....

I can't help but giggle when I see a snake oil sales man pull off a real scam like this.... You'll probably be in denial during the backlash too.... I'll be here to remind you.... "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 23, 2008 6:54 PM:

" Denial is such a wonderful place to be... Warm and fuzzy... Just turn your electric blanket up to 10 and ignore reality around you...

Been there, done that... You gotta come out sometime... ;-) "

a teacher wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:11 PM:

" Dwayne, let us know when you've cme out. OK? "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:57 PM:

" a teacher wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:11 PM:
" Dwayne, let us know when you've cme out. OK? "

I do my research and draw my own conclusions... What are you so afraid of...??? The truth...??? "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:09 PM:

" Dwayne-

forget links. Show me some examples of Factcheck being biased towards Obama. And, for YOU of all people to tell me to take my partisan blinders off truly brings the giggles. Got any new e-mails about Obama you'd care to share? "

kevin wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:35 PM:

" Here's one for the mix:

Since B.O. is always talking about "being his brother's keeper". But in reality, his half brother George lives on $1 per month and lives in a hut. Now some people have decided to do what B.O. won't do, help George with the:

"George Obama Compassion Fund"

They are asking for small donations of $5 or $10 to help B.O.'s half brother move out of his hut and get job training.

Won't you help? "

Raven wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:07 PM:

" and again the question is when has factcheck been incorrect?...give us an example of it's bias "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:09 AM:

" I provided enough information to indicate the appearance of impropriety and a conflict of interest, not to start an argument...

If you have a sincere interest and an open mind, then you can do your own homework...

If you'd like me to take the time to do your research for you, then please provide a credit card number, expiration date, and CVR code... :-D

At this point, it all depends on whether or not you really care...

BTW - You're welcome... Most of us already know that we shouldn't believe everything we read... "

Raven wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:06 AM:

" so....you won't provide any specific examples of where factcheck.org is biased...and then say we shouldn't believe everything we read.....so without those examples why should we believe you? "

Dwayne wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:43 AM:

" To lazy to look it up, Raven...???

No argument here, I won't participate...

You have enough information to Google if you're interested... "You can lead a horse to water, but......."

I understand how blind partisanship can shut out the real world...

I just opened the door, and it's up to you to decide for yourself.... "

Raven wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:26 PM:

" I have looked and the only sources that disagree with factcheck are somewhat...biased to put in mildly... so take off your goggles get down off your horse and have a drink.....your refusal to indicate where factcheck is biased would seem to a lot of people to indicate you can't.... "

Paddy wrote on Sep 25, 2008 7:59 AM:

" It's nice to see McCain winning so easily in Napa! "

NapaConservative wrote on Sep 26, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Mccain for sure! I cannot express how terrified I will be if we vote in Obama... my country will have failed in being able to make good judgement. Mccain is clearly more passionate about his country and more willing to act as opposed to talk about what needs to be done. Mccain Palin (or I'm leaving) "

8888 wrote on Sep 26, 2008 11:12 AM:

" I feel as though I live on another planet these days. We have seen our savings and major financial institutions collapse; only to be bailed out by the govn't. Now I understand why Republicans are for more privatizations: provide large CEO salaries, allow the corporations to collapse, watch citizens lose their homes in foreclosures, and then expect the government to bail them out so they can start all over.
Palin may look impressive, but I have yet to hear if and where she attended college.
Talk about a puppet! "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:43 PM:

" NapaConservative-

Uh...Buh-bye "

Sandra wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:47 PM:

" 8888, the current financial crises has plenty of blame to go around to both sides...no one is clean....Obama recieved contributions from Freddie Mac, and May to the tunes of $500,000. dollars, and McCain received $100,000. dollars....They are just two examples...there are MANY more. The Clinton presidency opened the door for this to happen, and Bush did nothing to close this door.....(fyi) Palin has a B.A degree. Palin is probably the one person in this race who does not have dirty hands concerning this fiasco. "

Raven wrote on Sep 26, 2008 8:25 PM:

" I would just add that yeah, the door opened by a republican congress, with plenty of Demo help in 1999.

and have to agree with ya, sandra...she is probably the only one with no dirt on her hands from this.... "

kevin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 9:43 PM:

" Way to go John!

I know the B.O. campaign has been trying to "lower expectations" for the past few days, but McCain smoked him in the debate... "

Hear Ye wrote on Sep 27, 2008 1:26 AM:

" Kevin that is good stuff. Obama was the clear winner in tonights debate. The "experts I've seen tonight on TV agree and even two of my friends that are voting for McCain gave the nod to Obama tonight. Obviously there is no way you would think Obama had won any debate but but looking objectively in terms of what people on the fence would think Obama came out on top tonight. "

Sandra wrote on Sep 27, 2008 8:30 AM:

" I also thought McCain did better in the debate...especially in foreign policy. I was very alarmed at Obamas ideas of what would work concerning the middle east. I think this is the most important issue.
The economy is also important, and Obama came across better in this area. BUT, if you think about what he actually said, it really wasn't much...he just said NICE things that people like to hear, but no details on anything. He could not even say in any specific way what he would cut. In fact when asked what he would cut...he said what he would spend!
I hope people really think about what these two men actually said, and do not make their decisions based on pabulum. "

a teacher wrote on Sep 27, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Personally, I thought it was a draw, with slight points to McCain. The reason I give some to McCain is that his contempt for Obama is palpable. He kept on talking over Obama, attacking him, not even looking at him. Frankly, I thought McCain behaved rather badly, but I think he was effective. Obama allowed him to rough him up without that much response.

Substantively, I was disappointed. Both candidates ducked the important question of what are we going to do about our current financial crisis and how the proposed bailout will effect their proposals for their administration. Most of McCain's answers were bumper stickers and slogans. Obama never adequately defended his positions, even though I think most of them are defensible even if you don't agree with them.

I get the impression that Obama expected a more civil debate and was perhaps surprised by McCain's ferocity. When Obama does get going, like when he jumped on McCain's support of the Iraq war, he was very effective, but he never pressed it home. McCain did.

I think the next time they meet, Obama will be much more aggressive. "

14obama wrote on Sep 27, 2008 1:05 PM:

" 'antipc' ,you're a perfect example why the country is in the mess it's in. What do ya mean,'forced to vote for McCain'? You may as well vote for Alfred E. Newman ! Obama is the Only choice and the best one if you can see clearly. "

14obama wrote on Sep 27, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Most of you people haven't a clue as to what honesty means when choosing a president. God protected this country from the Godless in the 2nd world war and now you are welcoming in more of the same. Before you vote,check your conscience ! You're being deceived again. Wars are Not of God ! You figure it out ! "

Raven wrote on Sep 27, 2008 5:15 PM:

" 14Obama I just one thing to say about your last post....huh? "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 27, 2008 8:03 PM:

" Why do you people think that these two candidates "ducked" the questions about how to fix our economy and whether the 700 billion was really necessary? Anyone know? Here's a hint; it has a great deal to do with the federal reserve remaining in existence. Still don't know? Raven, I read your posts and it seems rather ironic that you are badgering others on here by asking the same questions I asked of you when you told ME that I did not know what I was talking about. You became very silent when I asked you to tell me where all the "holes" were in my writings. Remember, you told me the truth was full of holes yet failed to tell me even ONE. You said the Articles of Confederation were "replaced" by the US Constitution but you are very wrong. The US Constitution may have been ratified by the states but all of that is irrelevant because it was never "adopted". Yes, "this Constitution" was never adopted and we have NEVER had a POTUSA. We have a POTUS. There, I said it again...did you get it that time? The executive power is vested in the POTUSA and until we have a POTUSA, we will never be the free society we have always wanted to be and somehow thought we were. It really should start to become clearer once you read the constitution and learn it yourself. I know, it's kinda like school and having to study and all that but it's really really important! The truth is there for all to see... "

kevin wrote on Sep 27, 2008 10:58 PM:

" What ARE you talking about?? "

Raven wrote on Sep 27, 2008 11:53 PM:

" that has been my question for a while regarding cameltoedoc, kevin..... "

XMAN wrote on Sep 28, 2008 1:31 AM:

" The Presidents of the United States of America, commonly referred to as simply The Presidents, PotUSA or PUSA, is a Grammy-nominated American alternative rock band. The band formed in Seattle, USA, in 1993. Other than that, no other definition was found.

If the Federal Reserve is about to go bye-bye, the Chinese government may be vitally interested since they hold one trillion dollars worth of their notes.

It is agreed that what was not said about repairing the economy and lack of questions thereof at the debate was disappointing. I want to hear the nuts and bolts on how to fix it. I want to hear the plan for getting all of us back to $2.50 a gallon gasoline. It is doable. All we need to do is to over-produce the stuff. "

Raven wrote on Sep 28, 2008 10:29 AM:

" sorry xman.....the only way you will see 2.5 gas is to do away with it....it aint coming back....even if every drop of oil in the US is produced it still only amounts to less than 5 percent of the world's supply and we consume 25 percent.... "

Obama/Biden08 wrote on Sep 28, 2008 5:53 PM:

" antipc wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:41 PM:

" I'm forced to vote McCain in 08.... Ahhh, say what? OR you could throw your vote away on Ralph Nader. It seems Sarah Palin has slipped a notch or two, she is proving she's far from a mental giant. Mop the floor with Hillary Clinton? Surely you jest. "

sunny wrote on Sep 28, 2008 6:45 PM:

" As a republican I made my first political donation ever. To Obama. This was after a debate between him, Clinton & Edwards. After Obama won the nomination, my husband who is a democrat, was leaning towards McCain. I'm now at a point where I can't get behind McCain as I see a problem with his temperment and judgement. Since Clinton isn't on Obama's ticket, I'm backing Obama and my husband is now too. "

noblindershere wrote on Sep 29, 2008 6:32 AM:

" sunny- I know several people that have made the same decision as you. Anyone that thought about supporting McCain and hasn't changed their mind after watching any of the interviews with Palin needs to have a head examination. A political "maverick" chose a person that is so underqualified for the job...we don't have time in our state of affairs for on the job training.
Obama made some great points concerning the economy and didn't go on about himself. We need a leader that is willing to put his pride in his back pocket and sit down at the table with all the leaders of the world...make some friends not enemies, very crucial time in American history. "

antipc wrote on Sep 29, 2008 12:18 PM:

" Obama-ites,

There are areas in which I disagree with McCain, namely immigration & global cooling (since the earths fever appears to be dropping). I have found no holes in Sarah’s game to date.

Obama’s’ policies are just plain scary, but you are welcome to blindly follow the Messiah despite his many faults "

luv1mom wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:15 PM:

" antipc says "I have found no holes in Sarah's game to date."

It appears to me that "Obama-ites" are not the blind ones. "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:09 PM:

" The reason that the US Constitution was never "adopted" is because the POTUS takes the Article I listed presidential oath to "preserve, defend and protect the US Constitution. WQait a minute, Article 1 is the LEGISLATIVE branch, right? So apparently, we have a "LEGISLATED" President, right? The POTUSA takes the Article VI oath to "SUPPORT AND AFFIRM" the US Constitution. Now before you tell me I'm full of holes, go read the US Constitution and SHOW me where what I am saying is wrong and does not exist! I challenge everyone to prove me wrong and as yet, no one has. It seems like you expect the truth to present itself to you with no effort. Sorry folks, you do have to actually read some things in order to learn the truth and not depend on commonly accepted principles based on nothing more than assumptions. NEVER MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING. It is either there in black and white or it's NOT. ASSUME NOTHING! Ok, I'm done. "

Raven wrote on Sep 29, 2008 5:40 PM:

" no cameltoe, you tell me where in article 1 there is an oath of office for the president...I have looked three times now and I can not find one...so please...illuminate me....clear the clouds from mine eyes...the only one I can find is in article 2, section 1. "

XMAN wrote on Sep 29, 2008 6:02 PM:

" The economy needs to take a non-partisan bail-out pill right now and call me in the morning. It will make Main Street a much happier place. The '29 crash was a CASH depression and this time it's a CREDIT depression - almost.
The first guy who figures out how to fix it - gets my vote. "

antipc wrote on Sep 29, 2008 6:50 PM:

" I’ve yet to see a lib criticize the Messiah for any of his policies. Libs see their candidate as what can he/she do for me. Cons want to know what their candidate is going to do for the country. Blindness should have been accompanied by lack of responsibility to provide for ones self. I digress "

Raven wrote on Sep 30, 2008 5:21 AM:

" and explain to me what McCain is planning to do for the economic crisis?...haven't heard a thing from him about any plans.... "

diehard4ever wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:53 AM:

" How long is a week? This thing has been here for a while... "

XMAN wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Barack Obama can save the day for sure. His top economic advisors, Franklin Raines, Tim Howard and Jim Johnson have had oodles of executive experience. They will know what to do. "

luv1mom wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Harry Reid announced on CNN this last Friday morning, re the status of the bail out, that "John McCain has done nothing to help this move forward. He has just been here for the camaras". This after McCain announces he is suspending his campaign to back to Washington to get this done, not going to attend the debate, then does nothing to further the bail out, and then his camp feels they have to get him out of there, and then he decides he IS going to debate. It pretty much speaks for itself. All I hear from the McCain camp is that he is ex pow, a "Maverick" (since he votes 91% of the time with Bush, that makes him 9% Maverick by the way), and that he is going to cut spending. It is repetitive, nothing new. Like I said weeks ago, this ticket is spiraling downward. "

Sandra wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:48 AM:

" Been wondering just who is behind Obama's fast rise and where the $$ is coming from?...an interesting article from Newsmax:

"Foreign Donations
And then there are the overseas donations — at least, the ones that we know about.
The FEC has compiled a separate database of potentially questionable overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions totaling $33.8 million. More than 520 listed their “state” as “IR,” often an abbreviation for Iran. Another 63 listed it as “UK,” the United Kingdom.
More than 1,400 of the overseas entries clearly were U.S. diplomats or military personnel, who gave an APO address overseas. Their total contributions came to just $201,680.
But others came from places as far afield as Abu Dhabi, Addis Ababa, Beijing, Fallujah, Florence, Italy, and a wide selection of towns and cities in France.
Until recently, the Obama Web site allowed a contributor to select the country where he resided from the entire membership of the United Nations, including such friendly places as North Korea and the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Unlike McCain’s or Sen. Hillary Clinton’s online donation pages, the Obama site did not ask for proof of citizenship until just recently. Clinton’s presidential campaign required U.S. citizens living abroad to actually fax a copy of their passport before a donation would be accepted.
With such lax vetting of foreign contributions, the Obama campaign may have indirectly contributed to questionable fundraising by foreigners.
In July and August, the head of the Nigeria’s stock market held a series of pro-Obama fundraisers in Lagos, Nigeria’s largest city. The events attracted local Nigerian business owners.
At one event, a table for eight at one fundraising dinner went for $16,800. Nigerian press reports claimed sponsors raked in an estimated $900,000." "

Sandra wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:51 AM:

" For the complete article google;
"Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign, Newsmax". It was much too long to post here, but it was quite enlightening....Obama's campaign donations have not been an open book, like Clinton's or McCains...Why? "

antipc wrote on Sep 30, 2008 1:05 PM:

" Since this mess fall to Congress to hammer out, I assume John Mc is planning on being in Washington & keeping us tax payers safe from the likes of Pelosi & Reid. "

XMAN wrote on Oct 2, 2008 10:25 AM:

" It is againsat Federal Law for any candidate to accept donations from foreigners. Can accept from U. S. citizens only. The money must be returned. "

pbsm777 wrote on Oct 4, 2008 12:54 AM:

" Hey Dwayne - on Sept 12th your quote-
"Ummmm, better check the map... It's neck an' neck right now, and moving in favor of McCain/Palin..... "

I say,on Oct. 3rd ": Ummm better check the map... McCain just Cut and Ran from Michigan. I guess all those blue collar workers that are fundamental to the economy aren't worth trying to get their vote.

'Wave that white flag of surrender.' Palin, Oct. 2, 2008 VP debate.

And according to Palin, John Mccain knows how to win wars - he was in Vietnam, no disrespect but when did we win the Vietnam War? Stalemate at best... Revisionist History... Wow. "

diehard4ever wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:29 PM:

" Seriously Dan, how long IS a week? I think people are getting kinda bored with this...

How bout a new question of the week? Maybe "How would you solve the illegal immigration problem?".

Just a thought. "

vinny10 wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:21 AM:

" We should all be careful voting for the new President, they all promise a lot and when they come to be the president the all forgot what the promise to all of us,
All Latinos should vote for Obama. "

Hear ye wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Wasn't the Register supposed to endorse a candidate yesterday? "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Things look BAD for the Mavericky Moose ticket.

For ten days straight (as of the October 6th Daily Gallup poll) the Moosekateers have been trailing Obama. The last three days have seen Obama vibrating between +8% and +7% with the McCain ticket hovering at 42%.

And the McCain ticket does worse in most other polls and is losing on the state polls reflecting the electoral map.

It's no time to let up on registration and GOTV efforts, but the trends are good.

Now... progressives are going to have their work cut out for them to get the "Democrats" to stop voting like Republicans in the next two years.

Mike Thompson, I am talking to you!

I'd better not see 'fiscal responsibility' only apply to helping out Main Street anymore, Mr Pork-fueled Bailout Backer!

~Ruff "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:50 AM:

" Can you hear pink feathers being 'ruff'led.

On today's Daily Gallup poll Barack Obama is at 51% for the first time.

John McCain is still at 42% and this represents a +9% tally in Obama's favor.

The McCain campaign has announced that if they talk about the economy they will lose, so they are going negative in a big way.

Right on schedule, the rightwingers trotted out Rev. Wright, but we've heard about him before. To get a sense of balance get a load of Sarah Palin's Rev Muthee, the Witch-hunter.

We hear dark references about Obama's links with Ayers, who was a 'Weatherman' back in the 60s but has recanted. For a sense of balance, take a gander at Sarah Palin's speech at the Alaska Independence Party of which her husband Todd was a member. The A.I.P. advocates 'seccession' from the United States of America. Yes... just like the Confederates did when they started the Civil War.

Tonight's debate should be very interesting... I think Obama is going to stay on the 'high road' and it will be interesting to see just where John Dubya McCain goes!

~Ruff "

besmart wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:29 PM:

" To vote for either party is wrong. Two choices. Thats the same as no choices. There will be no change. They are still the dems, and the reps. They have always done what is best for them selves. Are you all blind, goverment is self serving and always has been. Nothing ever gets done without the pork. Your all blind and stupid. You most likely believe what you here in the news after big bussiness tells them what to print. Fools. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:29 PM:

" besmart - You plays the cards you are dealt.

As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, until you examine the others."

'besmart', your vote or no, you will be affected by this election like no time since 1929.

By the way... Today's Daily Gallup has Obama up by +11% over McCain.

It's Obama-51% vs McCain-41% now.

If Sarah Palin is going to win the election for McCain she'd better get going doncha think?

~Ruff "

Dwayne wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:16 AM:

" You Obamamania supporters should be proud, considering you're keeping company with Louis Farrakhan... I wonder what Cabinet post he will occupy if Obama is elected...

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, another powerful Chicago-based political figure associated with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and other long-time associates of Democratic Party presidential candidate Barack Obama, is leaving no doubt about what he thinks of the leader in the campaign for the White House.

He says when Obama talks "the Messiah is absolutely speaking." "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:01 PM:

" Dewayne -

Sarah Palin's minister Rev. Muthee is a witch hunter as in Salem Witch Trials witch hunts. And he prayed to cast out witchcraft so that Sarah Palin would win her election.

So when it comes to whacko ministers both sides have skeletons and witches in their closet.

A little Halloween humor there, for ya, "my friends"

So, Dwayne, I'll see your Farrakan and raise you a Muthee!

Frankly, I think ALL religious 'leaders' stink that do not stay out of politics.

I am tired of preachers who act like mullahs that try to influence civil government... It's unconstitutional and UN-American.

~Ruff "

Dwayne wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:39 PM:

" Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:01 PM:".....Frankly, I think ALL religious 'leaders' stink that do not stay out of politics.

I am tired of preachers who act like mullahs that try to influence civil government... It's unconstitutional and UN-American."

Your myopic view of politics supports them, when it favors your candidate and party...

Wake up and look at who you're dealing with... Has McCain had a relationship with Timothy MCveigh...??? It's time for you to get real here and pay attention...

Facts are facts, so stop the vicious spin tactics... Every radical Muslim on the planet is rooting for Obama... Are you comfortable in their company...??? "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:56 PM:

" Dwayne - There's just no pleasing Republican-enablers... sheesh!

You wanna have your cake and eat it too. Your side has just as many wacko 'ministers as any other.

You assert that 'Every radical Muslim on the planet is rooting for Obama...'

And on what you do base this assumption? You don't say.

Today John McCain himself said that Barack Obama is a decent family man and that nobody need fear him if he were to become president.

You don't even agree with the Republican nominee. But YOU and many of the Republican Pep Squad are still trying to peddle the same old elephant dung.

Decent Americans are NOT falling for your Bluff-n-Guff anymore.

~Ruff "

Dwayne wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:41 PM:

" Yeah Ruffie, I think McCain's a wimp.....

I never said I supported him... Just that Obama is scary as hell...

Hammas, Chavez, Kadafee, Ferikahn, Rev Wright, Rizzo, and all the rest of the terrorists and thugs that Obama associates with... It is a huge list and you know it...

Did you know that McCain was good pals with Tim McCveigh...??? You can make something out of that, can't you...???

Why do you continue to turn a blind eye to the dark side of Obama...??? You seem like a smart guy, sometimes... "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:22 PM:

" Dewayne -

Now you add even more names to your enemies list... again with not a single molecule of anything remotely like 'proof'.

I am actually getting more comfortable with Barack Obama as our next president, and the more 'dark conspiracies' you dream up without proof, the more comfortable I get.

~Ruff "

napamomtoo wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:37 PM:

" Obama/Biden get our families three votes. "

noblindershere wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:14 PM:

" I"m canceling my subscription to the NVR, I'm sure cutbacks will follow at the register, because I know several people are following in my foot steps. See yo uat the rally tomorrow. "

Raven wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:29 PM:

" and your reason for cancelling?

...btw..in most newspapers subscriptions make up maybe 5 percent of the revenues....so don't expect the cutbacks to take place soon "

sammy wrote on Oct 12, 2008 5:04 PM:

" McCain/Palin here. I have no choice but to vote this way.

and for the first time in 35 years,....I have hope for our special needs children, and that is because of Sarah Palin. "

noblindershere wrote on Oct 12, 2008 7:44 PM:

" my reason for canceling? The NVR endorsed McCain even though their own polling showed that more people supported Obama. We are a blue county, not red. Nothing in the editorial mentioned the VP selection. The hatred that has been displayed by the Republican Party takes us back 70 years ago to the end of the Weimar Republic and the rise of the Nazi Party. Last time I checked, 30, 000 people subscribed to the NVR, I don't think that is 5% of Napa County. Don't tell me that people outside of Napa are reading the NVR, if they are...they are tourist that don't have anything else being delivered to their hotel.
The highest percentage of advertisers by estimate are realtors, bankers and contractors...I guess they are trying to appease them and not the people that actually read the NVR.
So, I'm saving a few trees and if I hear of anything worth while, I will check it out online. Not as much advertising online and I'm not looking at it anyway. "

Raven wrote on Oct 12, 2008 9:38 PM:

" as I just did a search and found no endorsements of either....there may have been one during the primary but I can find none for the november election yet...if there has been one and I have missed it please give me the dates...I am sure if they had endorsed either we would have seen the outrage from either camp explode..... "

Raven wrote on Oct 12, 2008 9:45 PM:

" actually i correct myself...the endorsement didnt show in the normal editorial sport for me...and it is outrageous.... "

bettye wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:40 PM:

" It is on the Editorial page..I feel it is unnecessary for the editor to endorse either one . "

lola wrote on Oct 13, 2008 3:13 PM:

" Palin is going to deal with China and Putin? Lets get real and take your heads out of the sand. Whether you like Obama or not, nothing will happen if we have a Republican president and both houses are democratic. It was bad enough with a Republican president vetoing lots of progressive ideas that the houses tried to pass but we will plunge into darkness with a Republican president. Maybe that will be good so China and Russia can't find us with their rockets! "

5TH GENERATION NAPAN wrote on Oct 14, 2008 11:54 AM:

" To bad Pat Paulson's no longer with us. He'd have a great shot at being the presidential write in this time! "

Raven wrote on Oct 14, 2008 6:01 PM:

" he is probably rolling over in his grave....have ya noticed that Ralph Nader is looking more and more like Paulson? "

myword wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Obama/Biden ticket is the only logical and sensible vote if we want this country back on track. McCain is so far out of touch it is frightening. Palin is an embarrassment to all women as she allows herself to be used by the Republican ticket. She is next to brainless and has no clue what is going on in government or the real world. I cringe everytime she opens her mouth...full of lies, is in denial about her own predictament in Alaska, and thinks she can wink and parade across the stage in expensive clothes and that will win the vote. I wonder about the mentality of anyone supporting someone so unfit and unprepared for the highest office in the land. I keep thinking someone is finally going to jump up and yell "April Fool". It is laughable, except this is so very serious. McCain's plan to have a woman on his ticket has backfired. He wanted the female vote, but all the women (and men) I know are way too intelligent to fall for his plan to put a skirt and lipstick on his ticket. What a extraordinary lack of judgment McCain used. It shows serious signs of senility to make such a choice. Does he need a brain scan? "

rightwingman wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:25 PM:

" I dont know how someone that is supporting Obama can say that Palin is under qualified, when i am yet to figure out what makes obama such an idol to so many people. Can someone please explain community organizer, and 143 days on the job inthesenate and missed 54% of the votes, and several times when voting just picked present. Also the only true single power a president has is the control of the military everything else needs to go threw congress. One more thing take a look at the book of revelations in the bible, and see who you are reminded of. "

rebob wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:55 AM:

" LES CLAYPOOL FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!! "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:51 PM:

" rightwingman-

Again, you can't vote "present" in the U.S. Senate! Also, McCain has missed many more votes than Obama in the 110th Congress. After you realize that there is no such thing as a "present" vote in the Senate you should research what a "present" vote means in the Illinois State senate. "

napanana wrote on Nov 2, 2008 6:29 PM:

" I think we are in trouble here.......
I am going to write in one of my sons.......HE can't hurt is any worse than what is gonna get us come Nov! "

Student08 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Palin is a joke. If you have WATCHED her interviews, you would see that she does not answer the questions and dances around the issues. She and McCain only attack Obama. Do you know their policies? Really? I don't. I would be terrified if she became President if something happened to McCain. "

AO1982 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:29 PM:

" Obama is the only choice. All the other candidates are offering the same old empty promises. McCain's nuclear energy policy is why I didnt vote for him. If he takes office, then prepare for WW III. I just feel sorry for Obama if he wins because all the white supremicists will be after him. As far as Palin goes, she is just a marketing scheme. "

winemd wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:18 PM:

" Thank God this is almost over! "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:19 PM:

" It's over now...

"THAT ONE" won!

~Ruff "

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