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Man in the street: Retirement worries
Saturday, October 11, 2008
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Stuart Duncan, a 57-year-old maintenance splicer for the phone company, intended to retire in two years. Now, with the stock market taking a sustained nose dive, he’s not so sure.

His 401(k) retirement plan has taken a $31,000 hit, Duncan said Friday morning while having coffee with friends at Napa Valley Coffee Roasting Company in downtown Napa.
“I’m still considering retiring in two years. I don’t want to be controlled by the stock market,” he said defiantly.

Unlike a lot of people, Duncan said he could marry his shrunken 401(k) with Social Security and a pension and maybe do just fine. Then again, maybe not.
“This may be denial on my part,” he said. Who knows what the future will bring?

The apparent unraveling of the nation’s and world’s financial systems was Topic A at the coffee house. By the end of the day Friday, Wall Street would record its worst week in history. Stocks were down 18 percent for the week, 40 percent for the year.
Leo Kozlowski, a retired 62-year-old firefighter, admitted suffering “huge losses” in his retirement investments.

Three months ago, he was “completely confident” about the country’s and his own economic future, Kozlowski said. No longer. “I don’t even know what I have in money market is safe,” he said.

Kozlowski now finds himself looking for little ways to economize. If millions of people pull back on their personal spending as he is, this could mean further bad news for the economy, he said.

Ken Boyd, 54, said he empathized with people in retirement or approaching retirement. Their nest eggs may never recover.

“If you’re 65, you’re in trouble,” Boyd said. “It will take a long time for the market to come back.”

“Me, personally, I’m just hanging in there. I’m not touching a thing. The really smart people are buying today. They have balls of brass,” he said.

Angela Zack said she gets worried phone calls from her retired dad. “He’s panicked,” she said. With the stock market’s big decline, his 401(k) is more like a “201(k),” she said.

Because the economic news is so dire, Morgan Grossman said she was happy to have stopped reading newspapers and watching TV a year ago. “I live in tranquility. If you don’t know about it, it doesn’t bother you,” she said.

America may emerge a different place when the economy puts itself back together, Grossman said. “Our children in 20 years will look around at all these big houses and they won’t remember what built them,” she said. This decade’s housing bubble will be part of history, she said.

Ron Smarker, 63, predicted the economy would turn around in two or three years, making it safe for him to retire. “As Roosevelt said, ‘All we have to fear is fear itself,’” he said.

It’s times like these that people, distraught at seeing their retirement accounts melt away, turn to their financial advisors.

“For some people it’s absolutely terrifying. It’s paralyzing. They don’t know where to turn,” said Chal Daniels, owner of Harvest Financial in Napa.

Many retirees, such as  those relying on Social Security and a small amount of savings, were just getting by before this financial crisis, Daniels said. Now “they’re in a very definite pickle.”

Many will have to cut back on spending, shrink gifts to their children, consider reverse mortgages, he said.

Those prudent people who began financial planning early in life are likely to weather the storm, he said. Their retirement funds should be ample and diversified enough, he said.

For people in the 60 to 75 age group, “this is a huge, huge disaster,” said Mel Varrelman of Mel Varrelman Financial Services of St. Helena. “My heart is absolutely bleeding for people in that age bracket. It’s horrible to watch.”

“I believe the market will come back, but it will go through some real dicey stuff,” Varrelman said. In the meantime, the lives of millions of retirees and near-retirees will be disrupted, he said.

“The people who will survive the best are the ones broadly diversified with stocks, bonds and fixed income securities,” Varrelman said. “The old adage, ‘Don’t put all your eggs in one basket’ is a good one,” he said.

As long as a year ago, Lee O’Dwyer of K&A Asset Management said he was advising clients to shrink their exposure to stocks. Even so, the dimension of the recent stock collapse is astonishing, he said. “There has not been a place to hide in this bear market,” he said.

“A lot of people keep saying to me, things will be more stable after the election,” said Jim Riley, investment manager at Napa Wealth Management in Napa. “I really don’t know.”

These are historic times, Riley said. “I’m 55 years old. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Sensing that the market was ripe for a fall, Riley said he began advising clients to lighten their stock load a year ago. Now that the market has plunged, this may be a time to buy stocks at bargain prices, he said.
8 comment(s)

14obama wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:09 AM:

" What ! No mention of how this crisis happened ? When you have a bunch of selfrighteous,greedy rats running the show,this is the outcome ! What are ya gonna do now ? Vote in more of the same ? Some people Never learn ! "

where_is_the_checkpoint wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:48 PM:

" 14obama: The question isn't what caused the problem, or how to vote. The question is how do you retire if you're old and just lost your arse in the stock market?
Sure, somebody fouled up (sorry, that's the best the auto-censor function would allow), and voting the current party out of office would probably be a wise thing to do, but that doesn't help a grandfather who has worked and saved all his life and now cannot afford to retire.
How the crisis happened and who to vote for are questions for a different article. "

14obama wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:13 PM:

" All I'm saying is to not do the same darn thing and continue down the path of destruction by voting in another guy with the same agenda. There are those who will,ya know. I'm 68 with absolutely nothing,not even a home, after many years working my butt off. What's retirement,anyway ? Sounds like death to me. It must be a "mindset". "

justnana wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:49 PM:

" This is SO not about the Presidency! No one man, nor his administration, is fully responsible for the situation we face. I've worked 38 years in small business and there is no corporate or government retirement for me. Except for SS, my 401's that I have been slowly funding for 30 years, are rapidly dwindling. I'm not quite old enough to take the money out without penalties, and the taxes, while I'm still gainfully employed (thank you to my bosses of 15 years who have built a solid local business, that I am priviledged to work for) would take a huge chunk right off the top! So I guess I ride it out? I was practicing the "head in the sand approach", but today I received the latest update from a holder of a 401... so far this year I lost 1/3 of what was in my account. Guess it's time to call the "financial advisor!" "

yoyo wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:42 PM:

" First i must explain I am not a Bush supporter, but we certainly can't blame him and his administration for the state of the economy alone. It goes way back to when Jimmy Carter was president- deregulation of loans began......the focus now needs to be on- how do we help those who need to retire and have lost almost, if not everything? "

where_is_the_checkpoint wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:34 PM:

" Now if I'm not mistaken, at some point they took housing out of the Consumer Price Index. It might have been under Carter, but I'm not sure. Can someone confirm this?
Anyway, if they had left housing in the CPI, the real estate bubble would have been more apparent a long time ago. We would have seen high inflation for decades. Average people do spend a lot of money on housing, right? So it should have been part of the CPI all along.
Oh well, you do the math. "

14obama wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:05 PM:

" What's the matter with you guys ? Of course this administration is responsible !It's been a massive social ripoff,supported by the ones who appoint the people to oversee the situation. Look at all of the unqualified rats that have been apart of the 'undoing' ! If they're dishonest at the top,then they'll be dishonest all the way down ! It all happened on this presidents watch ! Are ya blind ? Isuppose you're gonna vote for more of the same. Right ? Then,you deserve to lose everything. If the truth's in ya,you'd know who'll deliver the truth. "

yoyo wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:44 PM:

" 14obama- you should not make assumptions, nor are you qualified to state what i deserve. "

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