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August 29th, 2008
McCain's VP, what do you think?
We are in the process of electing a new President of the United States. Those active in the political process have their opinions on John McCain and Barack Obama, but what about taking a bit of a different spin this time around.

If you had to write a job description for what the president should do, what would you include?
No, this is not about McCan and/or Obama, this is for any person in America to be president.

What would your criteria be, what education, what background, what job should a president do?
65 comment(s)

kevin wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:19 PM:

" First and foremost they must have a deep and visceral LOVE OF THEIR COUNTRY, it's history, greatness, generosity and it's unique role in the world. Moral relativists need not apply.

Second, they must be LEADERS. We have more than enough 'consensus builders' in the Congress. The successful candidate should adhere to an fundamental ideology that guides them and forms the basis of their policies and goals. Their ideology should be made public and be promoted constantly. Pragmatists need not apply.

Finally, the candidate should have a VISION for America. Not another Peace Corp, Americorp, Fill-in-the-blank corp but a real goal that will improve not only America, but the whole world. ( e.g. Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union, Bill Clinton brought us globalization, George Bush defeated the Islamofascists, etc...) Community organizers need not apply.

In that most of the problems facing this country are due to the fact that Congress is made up mostly of LAWYERS, and that they pass laws favoring LAWYERS, laws that are interpreted by other LAWYERS sitting on the Courts; LAWYERS NEED NOT APPLY! "

Skip M. wrote on Aug 24, 2008 8:42 PM:

" Kevin: You beat me to the punch on most points. However, I would add that the candidate for President must have worked for a minimum of five years in an entry level, non-government, for-profit, private sector job. The candidate should then have a minimum of 15 years progressively responsible experience in a private sector, for-profit company that is not, nor has ever been, owned by a family member. However, entrepreneurship (starting a company from NOTHING) and developing that into a successful thriving enterprise would be a major plus.

A candidate who has experienced losing everything, and then rebuilding, would absolutely get my vote. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Aug 24, 2008 9:31 PM:

" Hmmm, I'll just stick with the Founders' requirements... somehow I don't think all the doodads that the 'Usual Suspects' want to apply to the job were what the Founders had in mind.

I am pretty sure if the Founders had wanted to keep lawyers, altruists, pragmatists or whatever the 'bogeyman of the week' the self-styled 'conservatives' want they could have written it in the document that self-styled 'conservatives' want to amend to suit themselves.

Instead they kept the job requirements simple so as to make the job available to many citizens.

The standards haven't been set too high -- after all George W. Bush was eligible.

~Ruff


~Ruff "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Aug 24, 2008 10:38 PM:

" Presidential Job Description:

1. Shrink the government.

2. Secure the borders.

3. Keep the nation strong, economically and defensively, but don't use the defense capability without darn good reason (which leaves out about two-thirds or more of the wars we have been in).

4. Honor our existing commitments but be much more careful about making new ones.

5. Then get the (insert word for very hot place) out of our way and let us enjoy our freedom!

Oh one more thing. Stop teaching our kids that government is the place to turn to for solutions to all your problems. Turn to your mirror instead. "

Dwayne wrote on Aug 25, 2008 6:39 AM:

" There's the ticket....!!!

Write in kevin and PPF... They can haggle over who's on top..... ;-) "

freeport56 wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:28 AM:

" 1. Courageous- not afraid to confront evil and defeat it.

2. Enthusiastic- love of country and deep knowledge of our roots.

3.Leadership-knows the driection our country must go to fix our ills.

4. Integrity- open and honmest about his past, present and the future.

5. Values-has a deep sense of moral character.

6. Rule ofr Law-believes that the laws of our country protect and defend us. "

Sandra wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:49 AM:

" Geez, anyone else notice that Ruff sure like the sound of his name?~ruff

And PPF...I had a moment with insert hot place...death valley, middle east, sahara...OHHHHHH h3!!....those darn paws getting in the way again...

But for once I am with ruff, the constitutional requirements are just fine. But I think in realty what has become the main attribute to many presidential hopefuls is demgoguery. Not a good thing, but something that many people seem to flock to. "

3rdGenNapan wrote on Aug 25, 2008 5:46 PM:

" I would add that they have to care enough about the American population to put our needs and safety above that of other nationalities.
I would want them to have a deep understanding of history, and economics, be willing to do what is necessary, even if not 'popular'
and, ... what about putting the good of the people before their own and their buddies self interest. "

misfit wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:11 PM:

" Oooops.... Dewaaayne??? "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:59 AM:

" freeport56 -

Not afraid to confront evil...

That makes me a TOP choice because i confront evil every time I post here at the NVR.

Vincent Bugliosi, the famous prosecutor who put Charlie Manson behind bars wants a shot at Bush and Cheney - I am all for giving it to him.

I think most decent people would consider liars and document forgers who conspired to cause the death and wounding of thousands of American service members as evil criminals.

Especially if they pretended to be patriots while they sat in the White House and discussed ways to torture prisoners. Even John Ashcroft ended up ashamed of what the Bushites did in America's White House.

That kind of behavior can definitely be difined as evil and villianous, I am more than happy to confront these criminals.

~Ruff ~Ruff ~Ruff ~Chomp!

-- Chasing down and biting the retreating posteriors of the evildoers is my game!

~Chomp ~Ruff "

freeport56 wrote on Aug 26, 2008 1:00 PM:

" Ruff- a bit agry for a tolerant one aren't you.

Okay, I will create my model based on the New Democratic Party.

1. Media Created-hide the truth behind the words "Change" and "Hope". Use of well scripted speeches to prevent stamering and studdering.

2. Perpetuate the Myth- continue saying man is responsible for global warming to frighten him into buying into a $1.2 trillion carbon tax. say it enough times and they will believe it.

3. Lack of Productivity- Nanacy Pelosi and the Democraticaly contrrolled Congress! Need I say more.

4. Attack the Job Providers- Keep over taxing the wealthy and Corporations so that they can cost-effectively move overseas.

5. Bypass the Citizens- Provide, at reduced costs; social benefits, tuition, and other services to non-citizens at the taxpayers expense.

6. Do as I say, Not as I Do- Hinder the development of our oil and coal deposits to keep us dependent of foreign resources. Keep the transference of Wealth to other countries on-going.

7. Blame- Always point the finger at someone else. Never take personal responsibility for anything!

8. The Old stand-by- When confronted with options to aid the economy, raise taxes. Nothingt, but nothing will crush the commons spirits or job prospects faster.

9. Ignore the Constitution-enough said. "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:04 PM:

" I'm going to email McCain and suggest he draft freeport56 for Veep! "

freeport56 wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:10 PM:

" PPF-

will you be my minister of Fear and Wasterboarding? "

antipc wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:21 PM:

" All above are correct except Ruff.

In short, Ronald Reagan Sr. "

freeport56 wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:27 PM:

" PPF, antipc, and Dwayne- one more.


10. Financial-take profits from companies by nationalizing businesses to redristribute wealth to end poverty. $4 TRILLION was not enough the first time. Add $ 800 Billion to end global poverty.

Forget about teaching 3rd world to plant or fish. Just make them consumers. "

misfit wrote on Aug 27, 2008 2:05 PM:

" Ronald Reagan Sr...He who essentially killed the middle class? That's where all our problems began. "

misfit wrote on Aug 27, 2008 2:10 PM:

" 1.Restore the Constiution
2.Restore the integrity of the Justice Department
3. Restore respect in the office of the President
4. Keep an open mind, be inclusive and do not gamble lives in order to make your friends more wealthy
5. Do not pander. Be honest!
6. Do not choose war over diplomacy
7. Remember who you work for. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:37 AM:

" Whazza matta, antipc?

What did I say that you disagree with, exactly?

Don't tell me you want the White House to be a place where they plot torture of prisoners, tell lies and forge documents?

Usually, decent Americans want those kind of criminals put away.

And to most cavalier law-and-order types, the mantra is, 'If you didn't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear', right?

So if the prosecutor of Charles Manson wants a crack at what he considers to be serious crimes, what does Bush, Cheney, et al, have to fear, eh?

~Ruff "

ADark1 wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:27 AM:

" Say what you will... Obama has all the qualities needed. He has almost everything I want in a president. "

freeport56 wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:04 AM:

" john mccain and sarah palin

take that democrats "

antipc wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Limplog.... Everything! Sick the wolves on Bush & Cheney, there's nothing to find... Unless of course you want more terrorist attacks on U.S. soil.

misfit... Reagan killed the middle class? Who are you trying to kid? We need more politicians with the character, convictions, strength, & leadership he possessed. One day as president he cleaned up Carters' mess in Iran. "

Raven wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:21 PM:

" John McCain and Sarah Palin .....wiping the tears from my eyes from laughter...so much for the vaunted experience argument McSame was using... "

kevin wrote on Aug 30, 2008 2:14 PM:

" On the OTHER hand, B.O. is NOT going to be able to attack Sarah for her lack of experience.

Did you hear her speech Friday? It was mostly about her accomplishments and (in my opinion) it was deliberately presented to contrast with B.O.'s speech on Thursday that was ENTIRELY about what he INTENDS to do...

Nicely played! "

Raven wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Kep telling yourself that Kevin, If McSame and company think Hillary's supporters are so easily swayed they will vote for any woman, it shows how disconnected they are...

Freeport....I'll hit the highlights.

1> keep trying to blame all things on the media....keeps people from having to think

2) Global warming - I have heard enough hot air from everyone trying to disprove it that alone would account for the temperature rise. I will rely on the general consensus of the scientific community and what I observe in the world around me.

3. 6 years when the Republicans controlled both the white house and congress.....seems that Bush never saw a spending bill he didn't like until the Democrats took control....seemed to like the increased spending by the Republicans just fine.

4. The recent study that said more than 2/3 of the corporations in the United States paid no taxes .... period. Yeah, they are really being soaked with taxes alrighty.

5. Show me where any US citizen was denied benefits in preference to an illegal immigrant....not stories you have heard...a document case.

6. Hinder who?.....Oil and energy companies posted record setting profits this year...everyone should be so hindered.

7. So, blaming everything on the Clintons and democrats excuses the 6 years of Republican control? Sounds like a real example of assuming responsibility to me.

8. and who took a surplus and turned it into a record setting series of deficits....can you say Republicans?

9. and the Constitution.....warrantless wiretaps, signing statements declaring what parts of laws you will follow and ignoring Congresses intent when passing the law....holding people without giving the right of habeus corpus...yeah....you can see how close Shrub and his administration have hued to the Constitution. "

kevin wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:03 PM:

" B.O. your Dem Congress just re-approved the foreign surviellance act, Ruff. AND they granted immunity to the telecom companies!

I'll never understand how President Bush can be so stupid (according to the Dem's) yet he can get them to agree to every Legislation he wants.

I am confident that when McCain is President, he will have the same control over Congress... "

Raven wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:12 AM:

" so I took a lil look at the vote for that piece of....'law'...senate vote 69-28...all the nays were democrats..house vote...293 to 129....all the nay votes democrats... "

kevin wrote on Aug 31, 2008 1:33 PM:

" The point being, raven?

But the salient point is: WHO CONTROLS CONGRESS??? "

Raven wrote on Aug 31, 2008 5:21 PM:

" just that it seems Republicans were the ones marching lockstep towards a big brother society....I noticed no nay votes among the Republicans...and they joined by enough democrats to give them the majority they needed...the fools....but their action also destroys one of the biggest political myths around...that bipartisanship is good for the nation..the revisions to FISA will come back to haunt us... "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:50 AM:

" Yeah, kevin - you have a point about turncoat Dems. There are indeed far too many BOOSH DOG Dems.

After the Boosheviks are put into ineffective minority status in Congress in 2008, Progressives are planning on taking care of the turncoat Dems in 2010, along with 'mopping up' any remaining Boosheviks.

Politically, it's the only civilized thing to do. When you come across a flock of chickenhawks with asian flu --you cull them as a danger to humanity.

~Ruff "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:48 PM:

" antipc - There is plenty of evidence to put the worst offenders in the Bungle Administration away, at least according to famous attorney and prosecutor Vincent Bugilosi.

That's why Mr. Bungle bought a new brush ranch in Paraguay, famous along with Argentina for hiding war criminals.

~Ruff "

musikluvr wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:30 PM:

" My description is embodied in one name: Abraham Lincoln. He followed the constitution to the T and he was the first Republican president. He won election in 1860 against a democrat party that totally discredited itself because they were such vile racists, slavers and bigots who tried to destroy the country. I really don't see much different in today's politics. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Checking back on this thread today...

I was very impressed by the folks who think they know better than the Founders what the required qualifications should be for a US President.

The second thing I noticed was how many folks were desperate to place a 'current timestamp' on a document written for generations of Americans to expect their government and its officers to abide by.

The founders warned against the rise of political parties who would put their interests above that of the American people.

Not many of the qualifications listed by the partisan posters would stand the test of time.

~Ruff "

plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 4, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Ruff, the founders did not want political parties at all, and I think they were correct. "

napanative wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:45 AM:

" First requirement: Must have brain (that works).
2nd: Must have a heart (that pumps).
3rd: Must be able to learn from past mistakes (not add to them).
4th: Must be able to seperate fact from fiction (be honest for goodness sakes, no matter the consequences).
...and lastly the 5th: MUST REMEMBER THAT WEALTH DOES NOT EQUAL POWER, JUSTICE FOR ALL, UNITED WE STAND, AND ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. "

kevin wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:45 PM:

" PPF, what would take their place?? "

mykdgirl54 wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Large, young country of about 305 Million seeks unique, history worthy President to redirect after a few "bad" years. We are a fast-pased, well loved, idealistic society that wants results immediately and without fail. We want to feel like all 305 million of us are being heard, and that all of our indivual needs are being met.

Position Description: Head of the Executive Branch of Government, and Commander in Chief, this position requires long hours, and tough decisions that will impact millions of lives for many years to come. Those with weak dispositions need not apply.

Experience: Some form of HONORABLE military background, at least 35 years of age, U.S. citizen. Experience in decision making, excellent leadership skills, Dimplomatic experience is a MUST have, self starter, visionary, organized, thoughtful, detail oreintated, familiar with the english language - and others. Experience running an economy, reviewing bills, laws, and legistature. Familiarity with congress and the senate. College degree required. Also country's ideal candidate would be open-minded yet comfortable with tradition, gracious and wise, yet protective and not affraid to take action, innovative and resourceful, funny and admirable. And also will respect individual rights and liberties of all 305 million of it's citizens while placing an emphasis on education.

If this sounds like you, or someone you know, we encourage you to apply. We offer excellent benefits including a body guard system for the rest of your life, as well as full medical, dental, vision, 401K and a fleet of vehicles for transportation. Including but not limited to, a jumbo jet, helicopter, limos, motorcade, escort SUVs, etc. Please submit resumes to 1600 Pensylvania Ave. Washington, D.C. "

barefoot wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:20 PM:

" When it comes to jury duty, why aren't the people who are unemployed picked first. Especially those who get money for free. That's right, people in this county get food and money for free. All you have to be is lazy. I work my @$$ off to barely get by. I am middle America. I want a change. People who are low income get everything for free. People who are high class don't have to worry about anything. It's us middle class citizens holding this country together. V0TE FOR CHANGE . Give the working man a break. We deserve a break. Let's end the brainwashing in November. (If you disagree, it's because you are brainwashed). It's okay, happens all the time. It's your brain, make up your own mind. Not what your party, or your family, or your spouse, or the majority says. "

musikluvr wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:54 AM:

" On Sunday Senator Obama announced on the radio in front of George Stephanopolus his religion is muslim - I dont think that is would fit the job description since Islamists have declared war on America. "

old_napan52 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:05 PM:

" freeport56

You may have something there...CR EVIL

Courageous, Rule, Enthusiastic, Values, Integrity, Leadership...

I get it! "

old_napan52 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Nice try musikluvr - Obama was referring to those who would incorrectly identify his religion as Muslim. He had prefaced his response in that vain. Please keep your facts straight. Even Georgie Boy misunderstood. "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:15 PM:

" I have a question for the author of this article...whoever you are. You are asking for a description of the president of the United States....but you forgot to add the "OF AMERICA" part. Why? Article II which outlines the Executive office clearly states that the executive power is vested in the president of the United States of America. So my description of the president starts off with changing the office to reflect Article II because I want a president of the United States of America...NOT just the United States! My president would take the required Article VI oath that "SUPPORTS AND AFFIRMS" the US Constitution and the president that you ask a description of takes a different oath. We all know THAT oath because it was taken by our very first president, George Washington as well as every president that has followed him. Wow! So then MY president would actually take BOTH of these oaths and the rest of my description would simply include that this individual that represents me must recognize the common laws that existed before good ol George and the rest of his freemason buddies took over and created stautes. The common law still exists because it HAS to but existing statute laws can be immediately eliminated if we have a president that takes the proper oath and restores the power to the people of this country. The executive power is limited to what the constitution allows. The truth is that what we really have is a legislated president that takes the wrong oath so what can we possibly expect to receive from a president of the United States? I don't know about you but this makes a lot of sense. Words mean everything... "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:44 PM:

" Well I am not certain that your staff can comprehend that what I just sent was a description of my president because it was rather lengthy. I am a doctor so my method of communication is often too detailed. Therefore I will shorten it a little. My description of an ideal president is one that tells ONLY the truth. That's right. No lies. No cheating. Ha ha ha ha. It will never happen unfortunately but we can all have our little fantasies ya know... "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:07 PM:

" Geez, did everyone fall asleep on this topic or what? I guess i left you all speechless. Did anyone read the us constitution in an attempt to see if I was right? If you did, then your description of your president should be similar. I don't know about you folks, but i'd much rather have an honest president FIRST. The qualifications of a president are irrelevant. George Washington lied to all of us. Let's correct his error and force our next president to take the proper oath. The description of a president is not nearly as important as what he or she actually does.... "

kevin wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:18 PM:

" Cameltoe, you are correct.

Your argument HAS left us speechless... "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:24 AM:

" I am not arguing anything kevin...just hoping there's some brain activity out there, anywhere. Ignorance is bliss and those who don't know what they REALLY don't know are a danger to themselves. If you choose to pass judgment on someone else, you should do your homework first. Not quite sure what your intent was other than to be argumentative. That is not smart. That is why we as americans don't seem to get along. That is why the black swan that awaits you will prove the truth is the only thing that will set us free. I have no problem with people not wanting to know the truth and supporting the status quo. If those same people attempt to force the system on others that want nothing to do with it, the result is what we currently have. The fact that we can't unite is the coup they continue to pull off. As long as we disagree and choose to avoid a unified response, we will forever be slaves to the system. Our financial system is collapsing right before our eyes and the overall economic outlook is bleak at best. I am offering a solution, how about you kevin? What do YOU have to offer? It never ceases to amaze, the masses can be so self destructive. We need to help educate one another and this venue is perfect. Let's use this tool to assist each other rather than to attack and criticize. Be open to what others have to say, it may save you grief down the road. There will always be those that benefit from perpetuating the lies and we must expose them. Some know who they are, most don't. We are at the cusp of huge change regardless, so hang on. "

Raven wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:15 PM:

" cameltoe....speaking for myself, I am trying to figure out just what you are talking about "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:24 AM:

" Really? Am I not clear enough? Did you find the US Constitution and read it? That's a start but it requires critical thinking and this is not taught in our schools...it shows when our children are compared to others. In Europe, critical thinking is in every curriculum and is how they teach their children to solve problems. Things are not as we might believe them to be. In other words, what you THINK is the truth is in fact nothing but smoke and mirrors. We are surrounded by lies and to understand what the truth is, you must identify fact from fiction. The US Constitution HAS 2 PRESIDENTS! Go to the government website and pull up the online version of the US Constitution. Perform a search for the two presidents. The first discrepancy appears in the PREAMBLE. Read it! The very first sentence refers to "The people of the United States"...but there is no "of America". Then as you continue to read, you will find that at the very end, it reads, "establish this constitution for...the united states of america." It is obvious that they mean two different things. The united states could be "of Europe".for that matter so "of America" is rather important and changes the entire meaning of the sentence. Article one refers to a president of the united states and your search for THAT president will show that. Then search for president of the united states of america. Article II starts out, " the executive power is vested in the president of the united states of america." Our president is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN "the president of the united states of america.! Our president IS, and ALWAYS HAS BEEN, the president of the united states. No "of america" EVER existed. "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:44 AM:

" Did I do better that time? Think of it this way, if the president of the united states of america REALLY existed, there would be the words "PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" emblazoned across Air Force one and the seal of the president (commonly referred to as the "PRESIDENTIAL SEAL") would state the same words. BUT THEY DON'T! The executive power is vested in a president that we have NEVER EVER had. We have always had a president of the united states who is in reality a legislated officer. That's right, he has NO EXECUTIVE POWER. So what KIND of power does he REALLY have? Well the word absolute comes to mind and we all know absolute power corrupts absolutely so what the heck did we expect? Hopefully there are some of you beginning to connect the dots and the truth is beginning to come in to focus. Don't give up if you don't understand this right away. We have been brainwashed most of our lives by TV and other media sources so our brains are programmed to resist this type of thought. It provokes sadness and depression to think that our own government has been lying to us all this time and that we have been hoodwinked by people that we entrusted. That's the part you must get past and realize it's been that way a loooong, looong time. Get over it. Now what are we going to do to stop this craziness and put us on track? Force the president of the united states to take the Article VI oath that would make him the president of the united states of america because he takes an oath to "SUPPORT AND AFFIRM" the us constitution. It's NEVER been done before...what do we have to lose? "

Raven wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:43 PM:

" cameltoe....wow.....I must admit, this is a unique argument, one I havent heard on these pages...so full of holes it looks like swiss cheese but unique.. "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 18, 2008 5:50 PM:

" Interesting comment Raven. Again, this is NOT an argument. Why must you insist on calling everything an argument? What do YOU have to offer that is constructive and that utilizes grey matter? Commenting that something is "full of holes" doesn't make sense unless you point out what and where the holes are. You are correct about this being unique. Not very many people are aware of lots of things raven. So please tell all of us, where are these so called holes that you speak of? At least I am offering a solution...who else has a better idea? "

Raven wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:09 PM:

" argument is a generic term used to describe a statement or position and the evidence one uses to back up that position, one might take in a debate cameltoe...

and as far as your solution is concerned....I still haven't figured out what the problem is.....because you are not making any sense to me... "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 21, 2008 2:46 PM:

" raven, fine, i will accept what you say only you don't say very much. What is your argument? Online definition:
ar·gu·ment–noun
1. an oral disagreement; verbal opposition; contention; altercation: a violent argument.
2. a discussion involving differing points of view; debate: They were deeply involved in an argument about inflation.
3. a process of reasoning; series of reasons: I couldn't follow his argument.
4. a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point: This is a strong argument in favor of her theory.

So it would appear that #3 applies here so let's ask, " what part of my reasoning do you not follow?" Did you read the entire US Constitution or better yet, follow my lead and do your OWN search? Once again, where are ALL THESE HOLES YOU SAY EXIST? Speak up raven, speak up. There is nothing better than discovering the truth on your own. Not being dependent on blindly believing something someone else has told you is a tremendous source of power. This is where the critical thinking part comes in boys and girls. The truth needs to replace the matrix like world system we have evolved into but we MUST DO SOMETHING NOW! The powerful men behind the black curtain want a one world government with one currency, period. We already know this is their primary goal. We know this because what is happening as a result of these truths being told, replacing decades of lies. We know that we are hovering over the target now because they are afraid of the truth. PLEASE prove me wrong...please. "

Raven wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:24 PM:

" cameltoe, I have reread your posts and still don't understand them....you take mythical statements and force a conclusion so strained it beggars the imagination how anyone could arrive at it given the non existent evidence....

there is no hidden government...there is but a single oath and a single president ....and in 1789 there would be no reason to include the words America in the preamble to show which United States the document was talking about because there was only one "United States" in existence anywhere on the globe...as far as the seal goes.....there is no requirement that anything has to be included on it...the designers and the congress at the time could have put a turkey on one side and a dove on the other if they wanted to...

the same goes for the markings on the plane....and this has been probably more time than your whole premise really deserves... "

Raven wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:25 PM:

" I must admit it was a bit of a surprise to hear George Will agree about McCain on the telly this morning. "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 22, 2008 9:25 AM:

" So now, the document that created a perpetual Union among the Confederate states was the Articles of Confederation. Unlike a constitution, the original Articles of Confederation required no oaths be taken. The conspiracy among the delegates to the Constitutional Convention to remove and replace the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution is not Washington’s alone. Washington’s secret was so great and cunning that he was able to create a new Union with it’s own specific oath. The Constitution is an occult creation because it hides within itself its true nature. Ratification by nine States is sufficient proving the Constitution is not a Union of sovereign, free and independent States. Nine States can elect someone to the Office of President and at least that many unanimously elected George Washington to the Office of President on February 4, 1789. By the simple act of taking the oath to the Office of President of the United States on April 30, 1789, President Elect George Washington turns the Constitution into a new articles of confederation creating “a more perfect Union.” No one seemed to notice at the time that the oath he took and the oath to the Office of President didn’t match. The oath he took appears in the middle of the Constitution and the oath of Office of President, the oath he should have taken, is where you would expect an oath to be, at the end.

Ok raven, I am thinking that this may be a good place to stop and allow you to think about what I just wrote. Can you prove I am wrong yet? I am only getting warmed up here so hang on because it only gets better! too be continued... "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 22, 2008 9:40 AM:

" George Washington becomes the government for as long as Congress is afraid to impeach him and impeaching him would be easy since the only requirement is that the Chief Justice preside. Even in impeachment George Washington has the upper hand. He appointed the Chief Justice because there’s no real President because the Office of President is vacant. The House of Representatives needs no good reason to impeach the President of the United States since he is an Article I Officer and not the Article II President. If the Houses impeach without an Article II reason, the truth begins to come out about the President Elect taking the wrong oath. This is how George Washington’s curse has maintained broken government and will continue so long as the secret is kept. The Constitution that was sent to the States for ratification made provision in Article I for a local government limiting legislation and taxation to a small government District, the Northwest Territory, other territory and property belonging to the United States of America. Article II confirmed the existing executive power in a President of the United States of America under the still viable authority of the Articles of Confederation. That same President of the United States of America would also have authority pursuant to the new Constitution for the United States of America as occupant of the Office of President. Article III established a supreme Court to exercise the judicial power of the Confederacy over the States relating to the powers they had delegated and those described in Section 2. Still there??? Think about that for awhile, too be continued.... "

Raven wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:28 PM:

" okay cameltoe....the articles of confederation were used by the original13 states....not by the confederate states...as for the rest of your rant.....your flight of fancy as to the rest as more more basis in reality than the fake moon landing or the flat earth....the only thing Washington did different from the single oath of office in the Constitution was adding "So help me God" which is not in the oath in the Constitution...and there is no oath at the end of the constitution that I can find...

nine states did not elect a president....nine states ratified the constitution which then provided the mechanism for the first election among the 13 states...washington received only 69 votes, john adams got 34...

and the only conspiracy among the delegates to the constitutional convention was to keep the proceedings secret, which madison violated my making notes about the proceedings...


so keep going cameltoe...my old constitutional law professor is loving your posts.... "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:29 AM:

" Raven, I actually wrote about 10 more posts on the subject but the NVR did not post them all. I guess they thought my description of the president doesn't "fit" this thread. Too bad, I was really on a roll too. Your constitutional law professor loves my posts because very few people have figured out what I speak of. So you consider yourself a constitutional law expert and that's great. So NVR, please allow this comment..after all, this is good for all of us, is it not? Raven, George Washington presided over the secret Constitutional Convention, from its beginning on May 25, 1787 to September 17, 1787, so we know the power of the occult was loose in Philadelphia. We, also, know for certain the occult power of secrecy was used to convince the public that the Articles of Confederation could be and were replaced by a mere constitution. The document that created a perpetual Union among the Confederate states was the Articles of Confederation, which unlike a constitution requires no oaths. The conspiracy among the delegates to the Constitutional Convention to remove and replace the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution is not Washington’s alone. Washington’s secret was so great and cunning that he able to create a new Union with an oath. What sayeth your professor to this factual data? "

Raven wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:02 AM:

" okay last time cameltoe...no constitution anywhere automatically requires oaths...

if you know for certain occult power of secrecy was used ...then it didnt work cuz you know about it...

there were no Confederate states until 1860.....

Congress under the Articles of Confederation dissolved itself and the articles once the Constitution had been ratified..

and you don't really want to know what I and my professor think of your fantasy world, do you? "

napawineo wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:49 AM:

" Raven, I have read all your posts as well as cameltoedocs posts... It seems your whole disagreement with the doc is based on a fantasy professor you say you are talking with.. Sure I don't understand all that the doc is saying but atleast he/she isn't trying to mock you with his/her comments...Your whole argument would be more valid if you thought through the responses and layed off the name calling...Oh and if you really have a professor in the bag, how about letting him/her speak for themself?? "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:39 PM:

" Hey thanks napawineo! raven needs to go back to school and learn how to read english and stop trying to re-interpret and re-define something that is perfectly clear. I don't know about you folks but I certainly want a president that takes the right oath, don't you? And "this Constitution" DOES require oaths be taken...sorry raven but your ARGUMENT has holes all over it. You are missing my entire point and are essentially clueless. Read Article II again and what is the very first sentence? Who has the executive power? The president of the United States of America. Now our president is and always has been the president of the United States. There are clearly two presidents here with a third mentioned in "this Constitution" as well that is appointed by the president of the United States of America. I really don't think you have EVER actually READ the US Constitution in its entirety... If you had, you would be asking me questions instead of writing things that make no sense. You still have not proven that I am wrong about there being two completely different presidents in the constitution. If you are going to say I am wrong then you have to back it up with something that is valid and has a source to support what you are telling me. You have provided NOTHING! Come on, if you are going to participate in this "argument", please do your homework FIRST! thank you. "

Raven wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:37 PM:

" napawineo...my disagreement with him is based purely on the fact that he doesn't know what he is talking about......cameltoedoc, is living in a fantasy world where the occult was behind the creation of the constitution...

never said I have one in the bag but forwarded them to my old prof at Sac State so he can get a glimpse at what passes for constitutional history these days....and I have not voiced any of his opinions other than that he finds camel very entertaining.....

that said,.....is anything I have said about his posts incorrect?...I can stand correction, welcome it as a matter of fact.... "

cameltoedoc wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:12 PM:

" Yes Raven, you said my argument was FULL of holes....so where are they? I quote historical facts, not fiction. You can go to the government website and PROVE it for yourself yet you have not even attempted. I am afraid Raven that your sense of what reality truly is can be manipulated very easily.../.ESPECIALLY by people who you hold in high esteem. You are the one that doesn't know what they are talking about. You are just regurgitating what your professor has written to you in response to my assertions. I can prove everything I write and challenge you to prove me wrong. As yet, you have actually proven that YOU appear to be the one in a fantasy world. Back up your words with some facts and explain to me EXACTLY WHY I am wrong. Just saying I know nothing just makes you look silly...and like your professor really doesn't get it either. Sorry. That's just the truth. "

Raven wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:28 PM:

" cameltoe, nothing I, or anyone else for that matter, can say or lead you to will ever change your mind so I am going to stop trying....btw..there is a secret map on the back of the Declaration of Independence..... "

LMW wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:57 AM:

" For this president.....A Plan for Peace!!!!!! "

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