" I'm forced to vote McCain in 08. After Obama is defeated in Nov. not much will change.
But I can't wait 'til 2012. Palin is gonna mop the floor with Hillary & get this country back on track.
Is this a great country or what? "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:16 PM:
" Yes, it is. "
Hear Ye wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:44 PM:
" It's an easy choice this go around. Obama/Biden for me, my state, and hopefully my country. "
cab e-girl wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:06 PM:
" Now that Sarah Palin is on the ticket, my vote is going for McCain, which I said I wasn't going to do. I suspect with Ms. Palin on board, many of the Hillary women will cross over as well. "
Raven wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:19 PM:
" hmmm...yeah, palin, plenty of experience being mayor of a town of 6500 and as governor of one of the smallest states in the US...population wise......all the attributes I would pick for someone to be able to step in as president
and yes...Obama/Biden
as for the hilary crossover, don't count on it.....Palin is also a, one might say, rabid anti-choice, anti-abortion pol...the very antithesis of hilary's stands "
misfit wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:15 PM:
" Obama/Biden! There is no other choice. "
John Richards wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:51 PM:
" After listening to Obama's acceptance speech, I am more certain than ever to vote for McCain. Obama made so many promises, there is no way he can deliver on even a small fraction of those promises, let alone find a way to pay for them. The expression 'sheer demagoguery' comes to mind. "
kdbk wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:37 PM:
" Niether man is perfect, nor has any Presidential candidate ever been. But McCain is the clear choice if you are truly concerned with the most vital issues of the day:
National Defense: Say what you will, if we don't first and foremost protect our country and our interests around the world, you can FORGET about all the other stuff. That's the simplest concept in the existence of man. Please people, no one will do a perfect job, but McCain will do a considerably better job with regard to national defense.
The economy: Come on folks. Again, no President can really influence it in that many ways, but McCain offers a plan that has proven to work better in the past than the plan Obama offers on the economy. If people don't know that Obama offers a very socialist economic plan, then they simply haven't learned about the man.
Then, if things like health care, education, crime etc. are going to be dealt with, their only chance is for America to maintain a very strong military and a very strong ecomony. It's a vast and dangerous world out there. The U.S. must maintain power in order for all the good stuff to happen. I'm sorry if reality is too much for some to take. But please, try.
p.s. NICE, a neck-and-neck race between McCain and Obama in a Register poll...in pretty-liberal Napa! Groovy. "
Raven wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:21 AM:
" hmmm.....like he said...if you want four more years of Bushonomics....vote for McSame.... "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:38 AM:
" Yeah, sure... there are LOTs of rabid 'forced-birth' people in the Democratic Party who have just been waiting for a chance to vote Republican because Sarah Palin was picked by John Dubya McBush.
NOT !!!
Since Republican registration is as low as it has been in years, and Democrats are registering voters and having turnouts 5 times larger than they have had in a decade or more... And independents say they will vote for Obama, and young voters are registering and turning out for Democratic candidates, we are not likely to see a Republican victory in November.
The McBushite war on American peace and prosperity is now thankfully coming to an end.
I agree with Dwayne's post that even if Obama had picked a conservative Republican for a running mate, Dwayne would not vote for the Democratic ticket. The same is even more true for Democratic voters. The disaffected PUMA vote is a Republican response to the nightsweats they are getting from contemplating the rejection coming from the American people.
~Ruff "
MarkMathews wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:00 AM:
" kdbk, well said. I will add that I ALWAYS vote against whatever the democrat party puts forth; their policies are anethima to me; nor will I vote for a friend of Ayers, nor am employers of Nation of Islam members. "
diehard4ever wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:15 PM:
" Can't vote yet, but in the beginning I wanted Romney. Now, since Romney "dropped out" I'd definitely choose McCain. At least he's loves America. I think The GreatPink One said once that he didn't like McCain, but he was better than the alternative (it was you Great Pink One, right?). Anyways, I fully agree.
Now to figure out how to get past the voting machines...;) "
Hear Ye wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:13 PM:
" "at least he loves America"
These are the kind of unfounded and low class statements that give republicans a bad reputation "
diehard4ever wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:45 PM:
" Hear Ye- And liberal/democratic Bush-bashing isn't?
Listening (and liking) a person say "God D*** America" for ten years isn't too typical of a real patriot. "
a teacher wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:15 PM:
" Angelina,
"Listening (and liking) a person say "God D*** America" for ten years isn't too typical of a real patriot. "
Who has been saying that? How did you hear it? "
diehard4ever wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:38 AM:
" Teacher- Obama's pastor, Reverend Not-So-Right. Go onto Michael Savage's website and you can hear audio clips if you don't believe me. "
kevin wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:18 AM:
" Diehard, the Libs will just tell you that "you are not hearing the whole sermon. That you are taking it out of "context". Then they will say "you know, Wright actually had a good point..."
LOL. Libs. In the future, we need to make sure to keep a couple of them around just for laughs... "
elb wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:37 AM:
" Palin just decided my vote and Palin just made me feel like we finally have an official election goin' on!
BE SURE TO VOTE! "
elb wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:43 AM:
" diehard4ever,
That pastor is scary and he didn't 'just suddenly turn scary' after Obama decided to run for president.
The fact that Obama wasn't able to discern his way out of that crazy church of his for some twenty years.... Well, that's a concern!
Obama either doesn't have good judgment or he's lying to us when he says he doesn't believe the way that pastor of his believes and preaches and has preached for decades!
Either way, that pastor of his cinched it for me. "
MarkMathews wrote on Aug 31, 2008 11:10 AM:
" Raven, why waste my breath telling you the difference between Senator McCain's proposed policies and President Bush;s if you are going to continue using derogatory names like "Shrub" and "McSame"
Ok, lets do it anyway... For one, and let me say this one more time, BUSH is NOT in the running this time, so "his" policies are not in the spotlight here, but those of McCAIN. McCain has policies that are strikingly opposite of those of Senator Obama, one of which is going after terrorists, not rolling over with a raised white flag. McCain wants we Americans to drill in as many domestic locations as we can for OUR oil, where as Sen. Obama is only luke-warm to drilling any where. The rest of his policies differ in that they are not the pity me unionist Marxist and creeping socialist clap trap which the democrat party ahs been pushing since 1968, when the pot smoking antiwar hippies took over the once proud party of President John F. Kennedy, Life Member of the National Rifle Association. Don’t lie down with the democrats or you will wake up with fleas and ticks. "
Hear Ye wrote on Aug 31, 2008 5:27 PM:
" MM-
That's classic stuff there. Not only did you not address anything you said you were going to but you managed to be more off-base and "derogatory" than the person you were criticizing. Congratulations! "
a teacher wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:36 PM:
" Michael Savage? Well that expalins alot. Such a class act. I'm frankly surprised your mother lets you listen to him, he's definitely PG13. Kevin is right, that's exactly what I would say. So? "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:02 AM:
" MM - Funny how the folks who like to say Obama-Osama get all touchy, whiney and upset about someone using "McSame", or "McBush".
All those squadrons of chicenhawks flying in tight formation for EIGHT YEARS and they still haven't won the war!
And now... their feelings are hurt.
It's pretty much impossible - even with a magnifying glass -- to tell the difference between the policies of Boosh and McBoosh.
George Dubya Boosh - War With NO End in Sight.
John Dubya McBoosh - War With NO End in Sight.
I have a hard time telling the difference between socialism and Boooshevism... well... OK, then... beyond the fact that socialists want to take care of everybody and Booosheviks want to take care of everybody who makes $5 million or more already.
That's a difference, right?
Howzabout repeating the great line from the Bush campaign that there are no uninsured in America?
Please do MoveOn to telling us all about how Booosh and McBooosh are JUST EVER SO DIFFERENT, would'ja? I know that voting for Booosh policies like a rubber stamp JUST SEEMS identical...
Maybe promising to go Booosh one better on more tax cuts for RICH GUYS is different somehow?
Please explain... 'my friend' !!!
~McRuff "
kevin wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:45 AM:
" "So" ateacher; ordinary Americans who hear Wrights rant are justifiably offended. Libs hear it and are not. (They have to go into that whole "moral relativism" and "historical perspective" thing...) "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:30 PM:
" teacher- I'm 13 in January. And like many people have told me, I think like a much older person. My parents let me listen to him because he explains things way better and he makes sense. Did you even go to the website? Probably not. Go there, listen to the clips, and then check out the funnt bumper stickers. Kevin- I totally agree. They'll turn anything around so the criminals the victim. They are kinda funny to watch when they stumble over themselves when they know you're right.
elb- Right again. Even if I was the most liberal person ever, if I heardReverend Not-So-Right bashing America, I would definetely NOT vote for Obama.
Raven- Will you stop with the Bush/McCain bashing? And you say us consevatives are mean spirited... "
Raven wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:31 PM:
" nothing but the facts diehard...13 in january eh....interesting.....already in some bad habits I see.....
and explain to me where I was bashing and where I was simply pointing out differences .... "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:01 PM:
" Raven- Shrub. McSame. Ruff gives the perfect example. "
russ wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:59 PM:
" Ruffster,
You said,
"War With NO End in Sight"
I saw today that the US Army turned over Anbar province, in Iraq, to the Iraqi's security forces. that is the 11th province of 18. That sounds like progress to me.
I saw today that the US Marines are pulling out of Iraq and will be deployed to Afghanistan to kill Taliban. Marines are really good at killing Al Qaeda terrorists. Sounds like progress to me.
Let's continue making progress, killing enemy and destroying their havens and infrastructure. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:02 PM:
" It's an easy choice for me, being liberal and all, and pretty much sold on policies that address domestic and community well-being, economic justice along with economic growth, civil liberties as well as homeland security, and sound, effective international relations as well as a respectable and cared-for military, not to mention a serious approach to the complex issues of education and the environment. I knew McCain had incorporated most of the republican talking points into his platform (increase oil drilling prospects, proliferate nuclear power, minimize regs & taxes for corporations, privatize education (or, when the public schools misbehave, advocate for local control so parents can tell teachers how to do their job and what to teach), provide health care via the beneficience of the competitive market, win win win in Iraq, whatever that means, at whatever cost, restrict stem cell research in order to protect "embryos" that will ultimately be discarded anyway, and refuse to restrict the sale of assault weapons in the name of the misinterpreted 2nd amendment. Although there are some small similarities in the particulars of parts of McCain's plan and Obama's, McCain's is clearly (according to what is presented on his website) a continuation of the policies of the Bush Administration, with a flourish here and there to pay homage to global warming and school performance. What really surprises me, however, is that other than "Iraq" and "Homeland Security", he has no category under "issues" that addresses foreign policy. Wage war and fear the world is pretty much his approach, I guess. What amazes me about some of the commenters here is that hearing that Palin was chosen, apparently unvetted at that, convinced them to vote for McCain. Wild! "
a teacher wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:26 PM:
" Actually Angelina, I have been there. So, what's your favorite Mike Savage line of comments? Is it his direction to some gay fellow to "get AIDS and die"? How about his belief that autism is merely the result of bad parenting?
My favorite is when it was announced that Se. Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor, Mike played "California Uber Alles" by the Dead Kennedys (get it?).
What a class act...
An intelligent person gathers information from both sides of the issue, even when they disagree with the source. "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:02 PM:
" teacher- I love his stories about Teddy, life, and his predictions about the elections, although I disagree with his view of Palin. Now that you have gone to his website, you might want to listen to him, as you have taken things out of context. He believes that real autism is a big concern, but fake, created autism is a big lie and should be stopped. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:26 PM:
" I'm speechless... "
Raven wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:00 PM:
" but the US troops will remain in the province...if the Iraqi's can control the province, why keep the US troops there.....
and diehard...how do you rate those who call Obama...Osama or BO? "
kevin wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:07 AM:
" Last time I checked Barry's initials were still B.O.
Just like G.W. has been used extensively the last 7 years to reference our President.
No difference... "
anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:55 AM:
" I have come to the conclusion that, no matter who wins in Nov., the Left wins.
How do I come to this?
Simple.
For decades the Communist movement has taken a completely different approach to the take down of our Capitalist society. One such approach is so obvious: Taking over one of the major political parties.
It is apparent to me, the views and policies set forth by Obama and the Democratic Party are quite Socialistic. Younger Americans are easily influenced to believe that government should take care of the population: healthcare, and other social programs for example. Young minds find themselves admiring people in music and hollywood who also believe in these socialist views, bringing our society into a mindset of "government is the solution."
Over time more and more people start believing in these policies creating a larger group of "independant voters". The Right must adjust to this change in society, and elect individuals (like McCain) that are "center of the road" politicians.
What this country needs is a true "Compassionate Conservative" (unlike Bush who is also quite independant in policy) to be voted into office.
Unfortunetly for us, too much socialist propaganda is influencing our society. And like many of my fellow conservatives, I am forced to vote McCain just to slow down the process of full out Socialsm that is present in the Democratic Party. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:29 AM:
" Kevin -- by that analogy, you should be calling him B.H., not B.O. "
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:43 AM:
" anti....where have you been the last few years...the communist party is a relic of an antiquated political system.....that will never be a threat to anyone as a political force. "
TrickleDown wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:44 AM:
" My vote is for John McCain and Harriet Myers. Sorry, I meant Sarah Palin. "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:42 AM:
" Obama is soaring in the polls "
anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:17 PM:
" Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:43 AM:
" anti....where have you been the last few years...the communist party is a relic of an antiquated political system.....that will never be a threat to anyone as a political force. "
There is an old saying out there:
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he doesn't exist."
Communism is very much alive, just in the new wording of "progressive", "liberal", and "socialist." An open mind can see the movement of the radicalism in the 60's and see the transfer from communism into the much softer approach of socialism. Communism had such a "bad rap" that leaders of those political movements made the transition.
Which makes me think of another quote:
"Socialism is Communism with a human face."
Never a threat to anyone, you say?
Just look at the Democratic platform and tell me all the wealth distribution in there is not socialism. They Left wants to destroy the capitalist society (and our sovereignty) and hand it over to the UN and EU. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 2, 2008 2:50 PM:
" Just look at the Democratic platform and tell me all the wealth distribution in there is not socialism. They Left wants to destroy the capitalist society (and our sovereignty) and hand it over to the UN and EU. "
You left out making us drink flouride and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids... "
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:09 PM:
" ahh...is that how it works....all part of a grand conspiracy to dissolve the US...glad you are on the ball there...not what about the fake moon landing conspiracy.....because it has just as much a basis in fact as your Commies taking over the world theory..
When the wall came down in 89 and the Soviet Union dissolved, communist left the world stage as a potent force....even 'Communist China' has veered so far away from the Marxist/Leninist workers paradise as to be a totalitarian regime disguised in the red flag...the only two communist states left are North Korea and Vietnam...and we can see how Vietnam is slowly moving towards capitalism and how the hard liners in North Korea are driving their country into the dirt... "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:26 PM:
" Teacher- as my mom once said... "...speechless is good, very good!" "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:29 PM:
" raven- BO are just his initials. The Osama thing is really old. I haven't used that one in a really long time. Besides, they kinda do sound similar... "
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:52 PM:
" as do McSame and McCain...your point? That it is okay when you do it but not when someone else does? "
anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:56 PM:
" Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:09 PM:
" ahh...is that how it works....all part of a grand conspiracy to dissolve the US...glad you are on the ball there...not what about the fake moon landing conspiracy.....because it has just as much a basis in fact as your Commies taking over the world theory..
Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record: (Here are a few of these goals)
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, and policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Although submitted back in 60's (when Democrats were Democrats) it is apparant these adjectives are being completed. The other objectives are just as interesting. #15 is the most disturbing because Obama's rhetoric praises wealth distribution, which communism and socialism stand for. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:17 PM:
" Angelina: Now I'm depressed and disheartened. Not so good. "
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 6:16 PM:
" it must be interesting in your world anti.....but may I point it that piece was done was more than 40 years ago.....
exactly which big businesses are controlled by communists
exactly which unions are controlled by communists
haven't seen piece that since I was in high school... "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 2, 2008 7:58 PM:
" Russ- I knew about the Al Anbar turnover... and more troops going to Afghanistan.
But I thought, surely some Republican would crow about it... and that would lead to a thoughtful introduction of how the Bungle administration is quietly being forced by the Iraqi government (and reality) into adopting the Obama plan for ending the war.
When you think about it honestly, it only took the Bungle Administration just SEVEN YEARS to adopt Barack Obama's plan (so heavily mocked by warmongers everywhere) for dealing with Osama Bin Laden instead of the SEVEN YEARS wasted in Iraq.
But, admitting that Obama was right all along -- from the time Obama denounced the Iraq invasion before Mr. Bungle started squandering American lives there -- until now is not ever going to be confessed by die-hard war lovers anywhere.
And... even though the Bungle Administration is implementing the Obama plan, John Dubya McBooosh is still out there ranting about more war, war in Iran, war in Georgia. Endless war with no end in sight. Just like I said.
"There will be more wars, my friend", says John Dubya McBooosh.
All of us commies, cowards and America haters were RIGHT ALL ALONG!!! The Bungle Invasion of Iraq was indeed a distraction and an expensive boondoggle, both in lives and money.
However, if the American people were not kicking the props out from under the warmongers right now... Mr. Bungle wouldn't be slowly implementing the Barack Obama plan.
Nor would you be discussing the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq like Barack Obama outlined awhile back.
~Ruff "
antipc wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:29 PM:
" PPF, after posting on this thread I read another thread that you had posted on that makes my first post appear suspect. In all fairness your post was hours ahead of mine. Although I did not plagiarize your post, my humble apologies. When the 2012 elections are over I digress to your prediction. "
kevin wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:35 PM:
" Or we could just go with the FACTS. Like the fact that the Generals on the ground in Iraq are declaring that our troops have achieved their goal of a stable Iraq:
General David Petraeus sees huge progress in Iraq
Patrick Walters, Baghdad | September 03, 2008
THERE has been "enormous progress" in improving security across Iraq and there are real indications that the country is finally turning away from the endemic violence of recent years.
As he prepares to leave Baghdad within days, General David Petraeus, the top US commander in Iraq, cites a host of statistics that indicate the war-torn country is at last "spiralling upwards" towards a more normal existence.
In an exclusive hour-long farewell interview with The Australian in his office in the ornate presidential palace in Baghdad, General Petraeus sees signs of a return to more normal conditions in the capital and increasingly, across a country that only 20 months ago was still riven by horrific sectarian conflict.
General Petraeus is leaving Iraq in two weeks to become the US's CENTCOM commander, a post that will see him charged with responsibility for the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Last Sunday, there were no serious security incidents across the whole of Baghdad.
President Bush and Congress made the correct choice in removing Saddam. And our troops did an excellent job!
Congratulations and thank you. "
anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:55 PM:
" Raven,
so I take it you concede all the other goals I presented in my argument have been either completed or are still in the works!! Thanks for the ego boost.
I am more than aware that that information was written in the 60's that is why I acknowledged the precise date it was entered into Congress. May I also point out that in my first post I stated the transformation of Communism to Socialism, but I will refrain from being too redundant. But read it again if you feel inclined.
in regards to YOUR rebuttal:
Being a Union member myself, my Union SEIU is definitely run by "progressives" and other like minded liberals, for one. The teachers Union is also composed of "progressive" like minded liberals. Basically most all Union's are somewhat Socialist in nature in the sense that people are forced to be a part of one in order to work in certain fields of work.
Corporations? Well.... 95% of Hollywood Production Companies for example. I wont even get into TV Corporations like MTV, they speak for themselves. Media outlets i.e. New York Times, San Fransisco Chronicle, CNN, MSNBC, etc.
These CORPORATIONS incorporate #'s 20,21,26,28, and 40 of the "Goals" I presented earlier into our society, brainwashing the younger generations of Americans. "
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:09 PM:
" I concede nothiong anti...just picked two easy examples for you....
as for the union, so for you, being progressive is equal to being a communist....so the progressive that fought for your right to be a union member were communists?
and you have yet to name one of them and show who running them is a communist, just calling someone a communist doesn't make it so...facts, anti, give us the facts..who are these communists that are bothering you so much....? Give us their names.... "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:45 AM:
" antipc - great minds think alike! "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:22 AM:
" Raven -- You got it....All of Anticom's arguments are based on the premise that progressive/liberal = socialism=communism=Marxism ad nauseum. We've heard that malignment before. False Premise+Conspiracy Theory = ___[fillintheblank] "
rage against wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:23 AM:
" OBAMA BIDEN 2008 This time around I was going to refrain from voting. Maybe I would right-in a canidate, or vote for one of hopeless parties. But through contributing to, being censored by, and reading from the register's blogs I have been inspired to vote. Lately I have been putting signs up in front of my house, inpiring all of my slacker friends to do their part, and actively campaigning for my canidate. I am in my mid twenties. I have researched politics, domestic and world affairs, as well as a variety of other subjects, and I feel it is time for me to make an educated and (like I said before) inspired decision. I am voting for Barrack Obama and Joseph Biden in this November's Presidential election. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:37 AM:
" Anticom: If the entertainment industry is "brainwashing the younger generations", they are being brainwashed to rev up their lifestyle, smoke it up, eat it up, drink it up, party it up, drive away and buy, buy, buy! And don't worry about the small stuff, such as health, education, economy, jobs, environment, etc. This of course, all benefits the tobacco and alcohol companies as well as the fast food industry, the clothing industry, department stores, malls, China ... oh, I get it! All those money-making institutions are ultimately run by the Communist China Conspiracy Co.; that's what you mean! (Is that what you mean?) I'm confused. Something's missing here. Seems to me big corporations are doing okay. The media & entertainment industries are helping them out. Where's the communism here? "
anticommie wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:33 AM:
" Yes I am making the connection of communism into socialism. The 60's "progressive" movement was just that. Many "red diaper babies," after the fall of Stalin is the USSR, knowing that communism has a "bad wrap" in America and the rest of the West, began approaching communism differently. Creating the title of "progressive," hijacking the meaning of "liberal," and creating the "New Left."
A great reverence book to these changes is called "The Radical Son." Read the life of a man that was part of that movement of the 60's in Berkeley, Ca. Very interesting. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 1:55 PM:
" Rage against: It sounds like you're "raging for" as well. Your contribution was good to hear....newly involved in the political process because you're inspired and have deliberated thoughtfully.
Thanks for being there! "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:00 PM:
" And now, dellasumbrella's computer is going in for minor surgery, and we're hoping no malignancy will be found.
So for awhile dellasumbrella will be insulated, isolated and incommunicado.
Enjoy the debates, one & all! "
Raven wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:06 PM:
" again, anticommie...give me some names....what companies, what people....let's root out these commies...when did they join the party...? "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:53 PM:
" 'anticommie' - so the only bulwark against communism is... the Republican Party?
Oh, Really?
What was pretty much the first foreign policy feat of George Dubya Bush?
Why it was kissing the butts of the Communist Chinese who were holding a US plane and crew hostage after ramming it in mid-air over international waters.
As I recall, the Head Cowboy of the self-styled 'Party of Stalwart Anti-Communism' allowed the Chinese to cut that plane into pieces, steal the electronics, and then topped it off by renting a Russian heavy-lift transport to bring the parts home.
And after that disgusting demonsration of crawfishing cowardice??? Bupkis on the commie-fighting front from Dubya.
And now you want to say that Democrats are socialist appeasers?
Really???
Going back to the Tienamen Square massacre of Chinese students who actually put up their own 'Goddess of Liberty'... Who was it that sent Howard Baker to toast the brutal thugs at the top of the Chinese Communist dictatorship???
Why it was Pappy Bush, now wasn't it?
How quaint, that both Bushes get away with the biggest acts of commie appeasement since the fall of the Berlin Wall while some folks call Democrats commie appeasers!
The best friends the Chinese Communists have ever had are presidents named BUSH.
Progressives know who the Chinese Communist party sits down and canoodles with and IT IS NOT US, even if some folks around here are suffering terribly from "Republican Memory Disorder".
~Ruff "
kevin wrote on Sep 3, 2008 6:43 PM:
" LMAO. Are you sure you want to go there Ruff?
I'm sure everyone remembers Bill Clinton and Al Gore and their Chinese presidential "contributors" Johnny Chung, Charlie Trie and John Huang. Who could forget the Temple Monks giving money to Algore? Hillarious! "
anticommie wrote on Sep 3, 2008 7:32 PM:
" Well R. L.
Very interesting points, and I will say everything that you point out about the Bush's is very true, and very disturbing. I never said I agreed with that appeasement. But to their credit.... We KNOW neither of them are Socialists! I believe it is the Left, that says Bush is TOO RIGHT WING!!! Where with Obama, its OBVIOUS he IS a Socialist, or at least has many Socialist views.
Do I think that in this day and age Communism and Socialism are the same thing? Well........I guess I do!
It's unfortunate that so many people do not even realize that they themselves share so many Socialist views as our enemies like Socialist Hugo Chavez of Venezuela or idealize past communists like Che Guevara! People that agree with individuals like that, i would have to say are Socialists. I will have to disagree with people when they say Communism is no longer alive in America. Tell that to next person wearing a Che Guevara shirt. "
Raven wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:39 PM:
" so ...have you found out who among the media corporations is a communist, anti?...I want to root them out...... "
kevin wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:35 PM:
" anticommie, I hate to point this out, but America already IS a Socialist country. We "redistribute" wealth from the rich and give to the poor.
Communist countries do not have private property. That is why when the Soviet Union collapsed, they ended up dividing and selling State property back to the people. With varying degrees of success.
It will continue to get worse if we continue to elect Liberals like B.O. "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:01 PM:
" Ruff said: "And... even though the Bungle Administration is implementing the Obama plan, John Dubya McBooosh is still out there ranting about more war, war in Iran, war in Georgia. Endless war with no end in sight. Just like I said."
What Obama plan? He actually has one? And when did Bush rant about war in Georgia? You're just making all this stuff up to entertain us, but no, I won't give you your own late night talk show. You can go on Air America (if they are still in business) and push your silly distortions. "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:17 PM:
" PPF-
If you don't know Obamas plan for Iraq, that's nobody's fault but yours. "
kevin wrote on Sep 4, 2008 6:34 AM:
" PPF, B.O.'s "plan" was to declare surrender and pull our troops out of Iraq immediately. Of course he DID say that if Al Quaeda came back he would put troops BACK IN Iraq. (At what cost of life?) Also, just to be perfectly clear (lol), he refused to promise that all troops would be gone from Iraq at the END of his term in four years.
Like ALL of B.O.'s propaganda, he says something different every time he gives a speech. I guess that is what he means by 'CHANGE"... "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:07 AM:
" oh, that Obama plan . . . it is well suited as a plan from an empty suit candidate.
I'm still waiting for Ruff to point to when Bush ranted about war with Georgia, as he claimed in the Sept 2 7:58PM post here. Just more ruff innuendo, without any basis or fact, and just like Obama's promises. "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:23 AM:
" Correction: I should have said war in Georgia, my error. "
antipc wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:36 PM:
" No worries PPF, Billy Jeffs' state of Arkansas said they ain't goin' to be invaded like Georgia. "
asahigo wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:08 AM:
" Registered republican here. After watching the DNC and RNC along with countless hours of researching both sides, it is my opinion that McCain and Palin would be the best team. I still believe there are far better candidates out there, that for political or economic reasons never got a chance. I don't believe most of what Obama says. His promises are unattainable. Whoever does win is going to have an awfully tough first term. "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:47 AM:
" Teacher said " I'm speechless... "
Me too. Wow. It's interesting because I have always tried to teach my children to broaden their perspective on life and read about differing views, even those they don't agree with.
I'm not suggesting that anyone posting here has adjustment problems of any sort but parents need to be extra vigilant not to teach their children to view the world and the opinions of other people in such a narrow way. I really appreciate when young people can say, "well your idea is interesting but...." When I see young people just "labeling" so many things, it concerns me.
Are those their own ideas or a reflection of those around them? Anyway, about the problems with adjustment (that's a mild term for what it really is); I recently read that children who are taught to be discriminatory toward others; who are taught to hate or dislike other people whose opinions, looks, skin color, sexual orientation, or political views differ from there own are more likely to have substantial adjustment problems later on.
I do not think it's healthy for the NVR to allow a twelve year old child to have their own blog. I think it feeds the situation and causes a young person to become even more "stuck" in their thought process. Sixteen is a more acceptable age for taking on the responsibilities of a blog because the extra level of maturity allows a person to think for themselves and perhaps allows those extra life experiences to broaden their perspective. "
XMAN wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:36 AM:
" I will vote for the candidate who can solve the problems of energy, economy and illegal immigration. Since the campaign is just starting, I have no idea who that will be until I hear the details on how these problems will get solved. So far, nothing I have read on this posting board has convinced me of anything one way or another. "
kevin wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:39 PM:
" If you resolve the energy issue, the economy will take care of itself. I like that McCain is willing to look at ALL viable options: drilling, nuclear, solar, etc... B.O. is trying to be PC and not commit to nuclear or new drilling. (Or maybe he is today, he keeps changing his position...) I also like that McCain didn't pander to the farmers in Iowa (like B.O. did) and promise more subsidies for useless ethanol.
BOTH candidates favor amnesty for illegals, so there is nothing we can do about that... "
rage against wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:50 AM:
" Another thing that put me over the edge to vote for Obama, apart from my dislike of Bush's policy and the obvious similarities between his policy and Mcain's, is there stance on the war. I have listened to both canidates on this issue, and I have researched their respective websites, which detail their positions on Iraq and the war. What I found was that Obama has consistently stood behind the position that he will be responsible for the end the war. For those that say he is always changing his mind, he hasn't changed his mind about that issue. The thing about war for me is, I understand it is inevitable, but at some point it must end. I understand that Mccain wants the Iraqi's to be independent and peaceful when we leave, but Mccain does not go the distance to claim that he will push for the war to end, or will end the war. This is suspicious and depressing in my mind. If our president is not going to commit to ending a war, that has already lasted over a half-decade, I have to ask myself if this person really understands the people and what they want. I feel Obama understands what people want today, and that is peace, not war without the mention of end. "
rage against wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:08 PM:
" Also, I have researched the physics and chemistry behind alternative energy sources. I feel that if we cannot support our country with solar, wind, hydroelectric, goethermal, (and hopefully hydrogen separation of some kind) then we will not be around for much longer as a society. Now is the time to shed our dependence on burning fossil fuels and creating nuclear waste. We will have to do these things eventually, or we will drown in our own refuse. I support Obama's position to invest in and push for more alternative energy, as well as his position to ease our dependence on foriegn oil. He purposes to do this not by drilling for more oil, but by easing our dependence on burning fossil fuels in general. "
cop105 wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:52 PM:
" What has Obamessiah done for our country since he became a...oh yeah community organizer. I call the cops when I see a crime committed, that retty much qualifies me as a community organizer. I am not voting for anyone who hangs out with the guy who blew up the NYPD headquarters. John McCain sacrificed his life for our country, Obama will sacrifice our country to please the world. "
reader wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:52 PM:
" MC BUSH / Palin -NO
OBAMA / BIDEN - YES!!
No more SHRUBS in the White House! "
kevin wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:05 PM:
" You need to do a little more research, rage. There currently IS NO alternative fuel to take the place of oil. Fortunately, we have tremendous reserves, more being found each day, that will allow us time to eventually find an alternative. But we don't need to ruin our economy by making rash and irresponsible decisions like arbitrarily saying we will not be using oil in 10 years.
As for the war, B.O. has said numerous things about Iraq: he will pull the troops out immediately, he will pull them out is 16 months, he will send them back to Iraq if Al Quaeda comes back, he refuses to promise to have the troops out in 4 years. Just like all his other positions, he doesn't just take both sides, he has three or more... "
Doug Pharr wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:27 PM:
" It seems to me that Obama has purposely made himself a blank canvas upon which others can project their hopes and dreams, and believe he will deliver them. Turns out, Obama agrees with me.
Obama himself wrote in Audacity of Hope at page 11: "I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them."
Obama’s soaring rhetoric over substance IS their strategy. According to the Washington Post, his close advisor David Axelrod has long urged Democratic campaigns “revolve more around personality than policy.” Obviously when he found Obama, he thought he hit the Mother Lode.
By the way, how come when unemployment goes up, the Dems get away with claiming it is happening on Bush and McCain’s watch? Hasn’t it happened on Obama and Biden’s watch? Hasn’t Obama been a Senator for almost two years? Haven’t the Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate all that time? Isn’t it actually happening on the watch of a do-nothing Congress that doesn’t want to solve any problems because that might hurt the Democrat's chances to win the Presidency?
They won those majorities in 2006 when they promised, if elected, they would reduce the price of gasoline, fix the economy, get bin laden (but surrender in Iraq), and generally make the world a better place. Has the President vetoed some major Democratic legislation that would have solved all of our problems? If so, I didn’t hear about it.
The Obama and the Democrats are peddling snake oil. Wake up, America! "
WorksInNapa wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:34 PM:
" I'm voting for the lesser of two evils. I hope the selection will be better in '12. "
anticommie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:24 AM:
" Raven wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:39 PM:
" so ...have you found out who among the media corporations is a communist, anti?...I want to root them out...... "
CNN, MSNBC, NPR... Wolf Blitzer, Kieth Oberman, the whole bunch of 'em, in my opinion. I feel that those on the left are a little oblivious to the left wing radicalism that spreads like a virus on our T.V. screens. That or they just agree with it. "
Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:37 AM:
" anti---you keep spouting that roll call but have yet to provide a single name on their board or management who you can say for certain is a communist.....when did they join the party?....just cuz you don't like what they say doesnt mean they are commies.... "
anticommie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:15 PM:
" Raven,
once again if you read through my statements I make aware that in the 60's in America that Communism went through a transformation into Socialism. While doing so the Left wing began using terms like "progressive" instead of communism and socialism. So... I am saying that though the Major Communist party looks as though it no longer exists, the liberal agenda continues on with communist idealogy. So in an essence, I am making the claim that most left wingers ( in one form or another) are communists or socialists. "
Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:12 PM:
" so now they are merely communists in their hearts.....
btw...progressive came into use as a political description a bit before the 1960s.....or did the commies take that and change its meaning.... "
Rich wrote on Sep 7, 2008 5:50 PM:
" Hey Ruff, notice how the poll is going? How about some Two Buck Chuck to go with that crow? "
Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:35 PM:
" yeah...we all know how scientific that poll is...I was merely surprised it took all the bush supports that long to figure out how to game the poll "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:25 PM:
" Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:35 PM: " yeah...we all know how scientific that poll is...I was merely surprised it took all the bush supports that long to figure out how to game the poll "
Makes me wonder if when Obama loses the election, if he will use the same liars..errr...lawyers who whined in Gore's behalf.... "
Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:52 PM:
" interesting leap there, dwayne....from a nonscientific web poll....to election fraud... "
rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:31 AM:
" Kevin, there currently is no alternate energy source to take the place of oil, that can meet our bloated, bent-on-war and greed economy, this is true. We can't expect hydroelectric power to take the place of our addiction to useless plastic bottles and bags, which are of course, made from oil. And we could never expect to use solar power to drive our caddilac escalades, hummer 3's and stretch ferrari limos right? Or what about the more ubiquitous suburbans, BMW SUV's, Trail Blazers, Expeditions, Jeep Grand Cherokees, any other vehicle that has poor gas mileage, but really looks great on the road. What Obama suposes is that we, the people, change our policies as well as or behaviors. NOWHERE in Obama's plan is there a commitment to cutting our dependence on oil foriegn or otherwise within 10 years. What you might be referring to is Obama's plan to supplant 10% of our oil dependence with alternative energy by 2012. Anyone who is confused about this should take a look at his policies. Usually if something sounds outlandish and unattainable, it is probably an exageration, and requires more critical thought. "
rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:16 AM:
" When it comes to the war in Iraq, I think you have to figure, we started this war to find and stop the use of Weapons of Mass destruction. In 2003 the U.S. weapons inspector concluded "The ISG has not found evidence that Saddam possessed WMD stocks in 2003, but [there is] the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq, although not of a militarily significant capability." Now it seems the war continues in order to aid in the creation of a free-and independent Iraq, a goal of which many other more desperate countries are in need. According to the last count 11 out of 18 Iraqi provinces are now under Iraqi security forces control. It appears that the end to this contraversial and bloody occupation is in sight, or at least the beginning of the end is underway. I prefer to side with the person who sees a close proximity to the end of this war, and not an unknown wandering path. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:16 AM:
" rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:31 AM:".....there currently is no alternate energy source to take the place of oil, that can meet our bloated, bent-on-war and greed economy....."
And aren't you proud that we are the most productive nation on the planet, as well as being the first to provide aid for disasters anywhere in the world...
Kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling when you see our flag waving in the wind, and want to stare at it and put your hand over your heart, eh...???
Ain't it great to be the good guys.... "
kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:51 PM:
" Hey rage, according to the BBC:
"Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has outlined a plan he claims would end US reliance on imported oil within 10 years at a campaign speech in Michigan."
THEY don't seem to be CONFUSED at all... "
kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:17 PM:
" ST. LOUIS, Mo. - Sen. Barack Obama's foes seized Sunday upon a brief slip of the tongue, when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said, "my Muslim faith."
I almost feel sorry for the guy. When it rains, it pours... "
russ wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:50 PM:
" Bob Woodward, in an interview last night on 20/20, stated that the United States military has Special Forces operating in Iraq, with new state of the art technology, which enables targeting and killing Al Qaeda leadership with precision.
Wodward's advice to Al Qaeda was to get out of Iraq or be killed.
Woodward also stated that success of the surge was in part due to this Special Forces operation, which has helped to decimate Al Qaeda.
My guess is that Afghanistan and Pakistan are getting the same.
rage, get out now? Obama, get out now? "
Raven wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:41 PM:
" yes, get out of Iraq now because the Iraqis want us out....
Dwayne explain to me how this.."And aren't you proud that we are the most productive nation on the planet, as well as being the first to provide aid for disasters anywhere in the world...
Kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling when you see our flag waving in the wind, and want to stare at it and put your hand over your heart, eh...???"
has anything to do with alternative energy sources, the quote of rages you said you were responding to.. "
rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:47 PM:
" Good question Raven. I don't understand what Dwayne was trying to say, but I have a feeling he didn't understand what I was saying, so I guess it makes sense. Dwayne if you are still there, maybe you could explain yourself a little clearer for us. I will try to do the same. Bassically, we have an addiction to oil. We are not alone in the world by any means, but it is our capability to see our faults that sets us apart from the world and allows us to take care of our responsibilities. If we conserved more energy during our days, purchased more fuel efficient vehicles, and acted a bit more concerned about the earth that we are polluting, we will open up the door for alternative, waste-free, energy to step in for fossil fuels and nuclear energy. I hope this clears things up, although I have a feeling it won't. "
rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:53 PM:
" Kevin, I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. Obama's plan is to decrease our dependence on oil (foriegn and otherwise) 10% by 2012. This is very attainable and exactly what the country should be doing no matter who is president. He has stood by this position since the beginning of his candidacy. Personally, I have a problem with a candidate who doesn't fully support alternative forms of energy. "
kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:30 PM:
" That's NOT what he said rage.
I know this is difficult for Democrats (especially B.O.) but words MEAN things.
B.O. SAID he would END (not reduce) US dependence on foreign oil in 10 years.
He can't do that. Even if we Drill Here, Drill Now we won't eliminate our dependence on foreign oil in 10 years. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:14 AM:
" Well Raven, you liberals want to paint this country in as bad a light as possible, and you want everyone to be mad about something all the time, just like unions, who are never happy about anything...
I'm proud of this country, and don't subscribe to your thinking that we are the most wasteful... I am merely pointing out that we use the most resources because we are the most productive country on the planet, including foreign aid...
You constantly complain about gred and whatever else you can conjure up, and conveniently leave out the mitigating circumstances that make us the good guys...
You think we deserve to be hated throughout the world because you overlook all the good that we do...
If you listen to Nancy Pelosi and Obama you'll align yourself with the most radical negative view of YOUR country, while blindly ignoring the big picture of who we really are... "
rage against wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:00 AM:
" Actually, Kevin that is what he is saying.
I was wrong earlier when I said that Obama doesn't plan on being free from foriegn oil in ten years. HE DOES plan on doing that, but first he plans on completely transforming our economy.
In the speach that you are reffering to Obama outlined a complete transformation of the U.S. economy, with the goal to be free from our dependency to foriegn oil by 2019. This will take the kind of ingenuity and hard working American spirit that Roosevelt called for when he gave us the New Deal, and Kennedy demanded when he purposed to land a man on the moon. These are the kind of times we are living in once again, the all or nothing times. You can't give just a little bit and expect the world to change. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:36 AM:
" Tell ya what, Raven.... I'll make a deal with you....
You send me all the defective and unwanted children that you don't kill, and I'll take care of them... How's that...:-) "
rage against wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:46 AM:
" Dwayne writes "You send me all the defective and unwanted children that you don't kill, and I'll take care of them... How's that...:-)" Again, I don't see the significance of this comment and/or what you are trying to say, but your earlier comment at 9:14 is very clear to me. I want an America that is not dependent on foriegn oil to fuel our kid's schoolbusses, our own vehicles, and ultimately support our economy. I want the world to revere Americans as a responsible, peaceful, perservering people. I want our countries popular images to be those of strong, healthy families, independent, hard-working individuals, intelligent, moral social activists, not movie gods and rock stars with huge expensive houses, diamond jewelery, $200,000 automobiles, or slick business executives who sell out the working man for their own gain, or political tv personalities on both sides who spend more time on their hair and makeup than they do worrying about what the networks have them saying. I want a better America than the one I live in today. I purpose, along with millions of others, and presidential candidate Barack Obama, that we can change for the better. To me, change and improvement are positive concepts. "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:15 PM:
" Obama now says that the Iraq timetable may be adjusted. Obama now says the tax cuts may not be rescinded right away. Obama eventually came to the same conclusion about Georgia that McCain came out with his first time (Obama took three tries to get there). Obama promised change in Washington and then chose for VP nominee an insider with more years in Washington than McCain. Obama now says the Iraq surge worked. On and on ad nauseum.
Yes, change can be good. Pretty soon, Obama will be changing into a Republican! "
Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:22 PM:
" dwayne......you constantly amaze me....I have never said we were the most wasteful....and regarding what I think of my country....this sums it it for me...a statement by Wisconsin Senator Carl Schurz, in a speech delivered at the Anti-Imperialistic Conference, Chicago, Illinois, October 17, 1899: “I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country—when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’” "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:35 PM:
" Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:22 PM: " dwayne......you constantly amaze me..."
I am amazing, aren't I.... :-) "
winemd wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:36 PM:
" Raven the one problem I have with that statement is who decides when our country is wrong? There are many people who think abortion is wrong and they are trying to "put it right" but you do not support them trying to do so, do you? "
LifeLongNapan wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:45 PM:
" I don't think it matters who we pick. Our country was stupid enough to elect Bush twice. All politicians are crooked. "
Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:53 PM:
" as long as they do it within the law, yes....and i will oppose them within the law to the best of my ability "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:47 PM:
" LOL lifelongnapan. I was just thinking the same thing right before I read your post. I was also reflecting on how stupid the rest of the world must think we are with two times Bush and now Palin. The field of politics tends to attract sociopath types, I think, the kind who manipulate to get what they want and then dispose of those they no longer need. The exception is Obama. He strikes me as being sincere. "
rage against wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:35 AM:
" Obama is sincere in his commitment to the people of this country.
The more exposure he gains, the better he understands what the people of this country want. The changing of his stance on certain issues is a direct result of his commitment to the people. A president who can admit his faults, open his mind and change his opinions, and satisfy the population he represents is who Obama will become.
By no means is this man perfect, but he is the best choice this country has. "
Gunga Ga Lunga wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:31 AM:
" So Obama is sincere. Now that’s a comforting feeling! After all, it’s our “feelings” that really count. Once again the democrats have nominated a far left candidate that would take us into socialist nirvana. Too bad that's not really what the majority of us want. What’s that I hear being whispered by the democrats? That’s right…”buyer’s remorse”. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:04 PM:
" One important and puzzling feature of psychosis is usually an accompanying lack of insight into the unusual, strange, or bizarre nature of another person's experience or behavior. Even in the case of an acute psychosis, people may be completely unaware that their vivid delusions are in any way "unrealistic".
Just sayin'...... "
rage against wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:29 PM:
" Dwayne, Thank you for explaining why I've been having such a hard time understanding your posts. Here I thought it was just your semantics.
Gunga, The majority of our country opposes the war in Iraq. According to Fox news over 60% of our country disapprove of Bush's policies. And the majority of bloggers (49 %) right here in Napa are going to vote for Obama. These are the "realistic" numbers of the majority. "
Raven wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:31 PM:
" so you are saying that is where your support for Bush and McCain comes from.... "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 10, 2008 2:42 PM:
" Dwayne, who said ANYTHING about "psychosis"? Below are a few symptoms and descriptions of SOCIOPATH aka Antisocial Personality Disorder. it fits the description of a few, extreme right, fundamentalist politicians like a glove.
Antisocial Personality Disorder is also known as psychopathy or sociopathy. Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the feeling and welfare of others. They do not consider other people's wishes, welfare or rights. They can be manipulative and may lie to gain personal pleasure or profit.
not learning from experience no sense of responsibility inability to form meaningful relationships inability to control impulses lack of moral sense chronically antisocial behavior no change in behavior after punishment emotional immaturity lack of guilt self-centeredness "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:46 PM:
" Raven wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:31 PM: " so you are saying that is where your support for Bush and McCain comes from.... "
In spite of our political differences, I actually like you, Raven... You argue for your limitations... That takes guts..... "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:01 PM:
" Statistically 49% is not a majority. It may be a higher percentage than others, but you have to get over 50% to have a majority. Clinton never received over 50% of the popular votes in his elections either. Of course as we all know he won the electoral college vote and that is what counts. "
winemd wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:30 PM:
" Raven, do you support those who have proposed proposition 8, and what will you do if it passes? "
misfit wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:09 PM:
" I think we "Dems" should all band together and boycott all of the corporate broadcast media. Maybe they would have to listen after all once it begins to effect their bottom line. "
kevin wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:34 PM:
" Vocal, have you been spying on me again and documenting my behavior? "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:44 PM:
" misfit - that's a really good idea. "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:10 PM:
" Yes Kevin. Dear me....you've escaped one too many times. We'll have to put you into a higher security ward this time, at taxpayers expense I might add! "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:51 AM:
" misfit wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:09 PM: " I think we "Dems" should all band together and boycott all of the corporate broadcast media. Maybe they would have to listen after all once it begins to effect their bottom line. "
Great idea... I'd even switch parties to join you, but I still wouldn't vote for Obama... Haaaaaa........ "
kdbk wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:52 PM:
" Well in to Sept. and here we have left-leaning Napa at 50% Obama to 48% McCain in the polling. That spells BYE-BYE for Obama in Nov. It also spells sweet silence from the leftist crowd who supports that sorry excuse for a Presidential candidate. "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 12, 2008 6:45 AM:
" Kdbk-
You're kidding right? You realize this isn't a scientific poll and it tells us nothing about the upcoming election? You can vote as many times as you want in this poll as we saw when McCain went on a 45-3 run a couple days ago to make this thing close. Try reviewing the state-by-state polls and get back to me. Thanks "
MarkMiwords wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:04 AM:
" McCain has long been known for his outbursts of temper. That's the last thing we need considering his party sent our troops out to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation. Lets face it folks, Bush made us, the US, the bad guys. Bush should have gone after Bin Laden, but instead he mired us in a war that is draining our economy. McCain supports that. Palin supports that. McCain chose Palin, The Aniti-Choice to pander to the female vote. Does he think the American woman is so stupid to think that she is a substitute for Hilary? What an insult! Palin's policies set women's issues back 40 years! McCain, at 72, is the oldest candidate EVER to run for president. Should he "kick the bucket" while in office, we'll be stuck with an anti-choice, pro drilling, war against Russia, self-proclaimed soccer mom running our nation! "
rage against wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:35 AM:
" Markmiwords, I couldn't agree more. However you want to look at it, McCain/Palin is a synonym for Bush/Cheney. Very happy to mark your words, hope that others will do the same. kdbk, I don't understand how a poll showing Obama in the lead can spell defeat for him in November. And to Hear ye's point, these polls don't mean anything. Try asking some people outside your normal interaction limit. I think you will find most are voting for Obama and Biden. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:37 AM:
" I can't help but wonder where the people are who Obama helped as a community organizer. If he was so good at it, it only makes sense that at least a few would step forward and tell their story. Maybe even just one...???
The only friends he seems to have are kept out of the limelight because they are irrational like Reverend Wright, or convicted Chicago thugs...
Who will speak for Obama and tell his "story"...???
The DNC has dumped 30+ lawyers and investigators into Alaska to dig for information about Sarah. They've even offered cash to people in bars to talk about her.
There's gotta be someone out there with a personal story about Omama... Right...??? Where are they...???
The guy has to have something more going for him than his manufactured messianic complex.....
I wanna hear from just one "victim" who Obama helped turn his/her life around as a community organizer, don't you...??? Just one...... "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:14 PM:
" As I previously posted, community organizers in Chicago were mostly fertilizer stirrers, who got people up in arms about something or other and then disappeared. I would compare them to the people who put the Berkeley tree-sitters up to it. Their other (and actual) function was to get to know people and get them out to vote. More importantly, to vote the Democrat line (and yes, they knew how a person voted - don't tell me how voting is by secret ballot in Chicago, I have direct experience with that). Their paychecks came from various community activist groups that were very often funded by the city government or some outside group with an axe to grind. We did not consider a community organizer to be a very high or good position in Chicago. The job usually did not lead up to anything unless you got to know some of the background people like Tony Rezko, who then helped you out of Chicago.
As a community organizer, your time was your own, and as long as you stirred things up, kept up your contacts, and got out the vote you got your paycheck. Kind of shows in the job performance of a senator from Illinois. "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:20 PM:
" Dwayne, prove it to me that "The DNC has dumped 30+ lawyers and investigators into Alaska". This sounds like "paranoid" talk. Have you ever considered that those snoopers are the media and that someone has twisted into to be something else? Use your critical thinking skills please. "
Joe wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:25 PM:
" President Bush said in 2000 before he was elected president that he would invade Iraq if they did not let weapon inspectors into the country. Clinton was letting them get away with no searches for years. Islamic terrorism has been a problem for decades, not just since Bush Jr. He has done a great job going after these terroists. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:03 PM:
" vocal-de-local....
Google, dude..... Google.......
You know you're safe, because we can't post non-gov links here...... "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:04 PM:
" PPF.....
Shhhhh.... Don't steal my bait... I know about ACORN... "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:11 PM:
" vocal-de-local -- the 30+ lawyers & investigators has already been de-bunked. But by the time it is, of course the lies have been repeated around the world several times, and for some, that's all it takes.
We gotta keep on it; these dirty campaign tactics abound. "
rage against wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:46 PM:
" Very funny, how you ask someone to give you their sources and they can't provide any. Dirty campaign tactics and misinformation is all that is left of the Republican party. I will be amazed if the Republicans get a quarter of the electoral college. Dellasumbrella, you are correct, we have to keep pushing back the tide. Obama's message of change and the policy he has laid out is clear for anyone who wants to see it. Visit Obama's website and see for yourself. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 5:00 PM:
" rage against wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:46 PM:".....I will be amazed if the Republicans get a quarter of the electoral college. "
Ummmm, better check the map... It's neck an' neck right now, and moving in favor of McCain/Palin..... "
Sandra wrote on Sep 12, 2008 9:22 PM:
" I'm marking your words here..." Bush should have gone after Bin Laden, but instead he mired us in a war that is draining our economy. McCain supports that." I am confused. McCain was against going into Iraq. He told Bush so. He also said that if Bush pushed to go into Iraq, that he better make sure he gets the job done correctly. Well Bush went in, and did not do the job correctly. Both things different than what McCain said. Then McCain kept pushing for the surge, contrary to what both parties wanted. When McCain finally got enough people to agree with him, the surge happened, and it worked. So explain to me, how is that supporting Bush' policies? If Bush had listened to McCain none of this would have happened. I guess if you keep repeating lies long enough someone will believe you. Oh and the rest of your post follows along in the same vein of "WRONG"....hope I marked your words well enough. "
napaman5446 wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:09 PM:
" Woops last comment had a link that shows how sarah palin wants to set us back 100 years not only with our women's uterus, but teach creationism as well?
I don't care about her 17 y/o. Why should she care about anybody else's choice.
I'm voting for the 21st century. Remember that we're in a new century and Mcwhatever is a dinosaur. "
XMAN wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:29 AM:
" I cannot cast a vote today because the campaign has just started and I'm not yet clear on each candidate's campaign platform. For those of you whose minds are made up based on racism, sexism or partisan leanings - you are a slam dunk and all you need to do now is to slander the other party's candidate and wait. There are a lot of us who have not yet made up our minds. Enough of us to swing the election one way or another. If you took a poll right now it wouldn't be accurate because many of us could not participate. We are undecided. One thing we do not like is a lot of mud-slinging and slander from one party about the other. Those are not the real issues. In fact, such tactics will detract from the credibility of the party doing it. You want our vote? Run an objective and clean campaign. Yes - I'm talking to you. "
reason-ator wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:17 AM:
" Non of the above should have been a less specific choice. "
Sandra wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:39 PM:
" wow....tied today on the register poll....For those who have not paid attention to register polls of the past, this is a first for Napa. Usually the liberal vote is about 2 to 1. INTERESTING.... "
finewine wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:39 AM:
" " With everything going on around us with potential threats from countries like Russia and Korea, I think having a strong military and strong Homeland Security should be a top priority when deciding who to vote for. Without this, nothing else is going to matter if we get bombed... I think McCain and Palin have our protection on the TOP of their list! I think Obama thinks he's "GOD" and "talks" too much! People like him are dangerous and will do MORE harm to us than good!!"
McCain and Palin have my vote! Cheri Fels "
rage against wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:15 AM:
" Finewine,
Sounds like you have bought fully into the appeal to fear fallacy that the republicans sell so well. Be sure you don't have any Russian or Korean in you or your family before you fully commit, otherwise you might find yourself lumped into the huge list of potential threats you talked about. That same war-mongering regime you support might do exactly what it is made to do, and turn it's guns on you one day. Nothing but historical examples to back up that simple assumption.
As for issues like education, social reform, the economy, global climate...I'm sure more spending on the military can win those battles too, right? "
Raven wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:00 PM:
" been away for a few days and looks what I miss....
winemd, my answer about prop 8 is that I strongly oppose it, will vote against and if it somehow manages to pass, I will work hard to change it.... "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:38 PM:
" Raven, LOL! That's hilarious! "
Raven wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:38 PM:
" glad you liked it vocal "
14obama wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:05 PM:
" Obama,who else ? I can't be voting for an onry old man who can't remember his name. What happens when he kicks the bucket ? You think we have problems now ? I don't even want to go there ! "
Word wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 AM:
" The calamity on Wall Street might be just what it takes for people across the country to wake up, look past the born-again populist message mouthed by McCain and the smiley-faced, down-home gibberish from Palin to see their future is being destroyed by the "big business comes first" policies of the Bush Administration and Republican Party. Obama is the best hope we have for responsible, rational, if not new government. "
Luv1mom wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:31 AM:
" Anyone halfway intelligent should realize the ever worsening economy is the current Republican administration's doing. You have to ask yourself, and be honest, can we endure 4 more years of this??
Obama/Biden 2008 is a must!! "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 17, 2008 5:18 PM:
" When we look back, one of the biggest mistakes of the McCain campaign may have been to mock 'community organizers' at their convention in Minnesota.
'Community organizers', aka 'community activists' are relentlessly working on voter registration. Nobody sets up a podium, holds a mic and a camera up for them, but they have their eye on the prize.
We now see Obama pulling ahead in the polls.
And with record-setting numbers of folks signing up for, contributing to, and talking to their neighbors about voting for Barack Obama, we are seeing the Bush/McBush Republicans in big trouble.
Sarah Palin and Rudy Guiliani are not the only people who made fun of 'community organizers' at the Republican Convention, but together they may have... to paraphrase Admiral Yamamoto...
"Awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."
No need to argue with Republicans to win in November... even if it is easy and somewhat fun... out organize them.
Ooooh! Yes... We... CAN !!!
~Ruff "
kevin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 6:48 PM:
" Well, the Dems aren't helping themselves by constantly repeating the "Jesus was a community organizer and Pilate was a Governor" mantra.
First it is just wrong (Jesus was a carpenter), second it just sounds strange to have Libs talking about the Bible, something they obviously know little about because...
...they evidently don't remember what happened to Jesus... "
Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:18 AM:
" Kevin, Didn't Jesus say "Render unto Ceaser, what is Ceasers." He also said his kingdom was not of this earth.......doesn't that translate to mean he was not political, and believed that everyone's faith should be in Gods hands? Somehow I don't see Obama following in these footsteps....nor does that make Jesus a community organizer....but it was a nice try from Obamas campaign....quite lame...but nice try... "
luv1mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:05 AM:
" Kevin and Sandra - you are so not thought provoking . . . quite lame . . . but nice try . . ."
Obama/Biden 2008 "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:22 AM:
" I personally don't care much about the whole "jesus was a community organizer" slogan, but knowing a thing or two about the bible there is plenty of evidence to support the idea. "
Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:20 PM:
" Luv1mom...okie dokie, its like that, huh? I will repeat what I said to Ruff:
I am ruuber, and you are glue. Whatever you say, bounces offf me, and sticks to you.
Playground games...what fun!
Now as to why the posts from Kevin and I SHOULD provoke thought.... It is more of the same type of strategy that the Obama Campaign has used throughout this race...which is one of comparing Obama to historical figures so as to equate him to them. It was Lincoln, and MLK earlier, and now its Jesus. I find that alarming, and manipulative. I also find it insulting to my intelligence. You don't need to think about it though.....
What you might want to think about, is that Clinton laid the groundwork for the situation we are now in concerning our economy and the fanny mays, etc. Seems to me the mess was, at the least, a bipartisan effort. Clintons for starting it, and Bush's for not fixing it. Oh, and lets not leave out the congress. They are the ones that introduce the legislation.... "
Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:21 PM:
" Hear Ye...there is plenty in the bible to support a variety of ideas, depending on who is doing the reading.... "
luv1mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:25 PM:
" But Sandra, my comment used a portion of your earlier quote . . . don't worry, I won't be using the "ruuber glue" quote. "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:10 PM:
" Sandra-
I agree with you. That was kind of my point. "
Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:22 PM:
" Luv1mom, you continue to point out the obvious to me. You really do not need to go to the trouble. I know what I wrote. I know what you wrote. My post was to get you to see that your post was childish, by my childish response.
Hear ye, I was agreeing with you also. I think you misunderstand me. My point about Jesus being a community organizer JUST like Obama, was to underline the strategy that the Obama campaign is using in regards to comparing their candidate to famous figures from the past. It was not to pose an argument on whether jesus was really a community organizer, or not. (Though my personal opinion is he wasn't. ) This Obama campaign strategy is a simplistic, manipulative ploy, which I find offensive on many levels. I am surprised anyone would fall for it. But then again, there are those who want simple answers, and want to be led with out having to think for themselves. I find the whole thing ironic, because of the almost worshipful quality the hard core supporters show to him. It alarms me that the campaign would play on this... There is too much demogogary going on. "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:31 PM:
" Sandra-
It really depends what side of the fence you're on. To me, There is much more demogogary going on with McCain and company. I'm not sure I know the origin of the "Jesus was a community organizer" but from my very brief research it doesn't seem to come directly from the campaign, could definitely be wrong though. Furthermore, the statement is a reaction to the disgusting mockery of community service by Palin and Guliani among others. It's the idea that the very people who use God to gain voters then mock a profession that I think most would say would be seen in a good light by Jesus (as can be supported by the New Testament). It's the republicans who use terms like "messiah" and "the one" to describe Obama. It's just a talking point of the republicans to try and explain away the excitement about Obama. Oh Obama drew 75,000 to a speech, well that must be because he thinks he's a god and has everyone fooled. No, it's because a lot of people really dislike Bush and co. and Obama is very different than Bush. It's also because the young people are energized about having a candidate that they can relate too. The bottome line IMO is that your last paragraph would probably be agreed with by roughly half the country and if you wrote McCain instead Obama the other roughly half of the country would now agree with you. McCain fits your last paragraph much stronger to me so put me in the latter. Is it true you're a registered Democrat? If so, why? This is a sincere question, BTW "
luv1mom wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:47 AM:
" Sandra: I do not think my post was childish. It is obvious you are not a fan of Obama, and continually lash out at those of us who support him. You seem to want to educate us so we will suddenly see the light and vote for McCain. I do not need to be educated, I am not looking for simple answers, and I c
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antipc wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:41 PM:
But I can't wait 'til 2012. Palin is gonna mop the floor with Hillary & get this country back on track.
Is this a great country or what? "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:16 PM:
Hear Ye wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:44 PM:
cab e-girl wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:06 PM:
Raven wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:19 PM:
and yes...Obama/Biden
as for the hilary crossover, don't count on it.....Palin is also a, one might say, rabid anti-choice, anti-abortion pol...the very antithesis of hilary's stands "
misfit wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:15 PM:
John Richards wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:51 PM:
kdbk wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:37 PM:
National Defense: Say what you will, if we don't first and foremost protect our country and our interests around the world, you can FORGET about all the other stuff. That's the simplest concept in the existence of man. Please people, no one will do a perfect job, but McCain will do a considerably better job with regard to national defense.
The economy: Come on folks. Again, no President can really influence it in that many ways, but McCain offers a plan that has proven to work better in the past than the plan Obama offers on the economy. If people don't know that Obama offers a very socialist economic plan, then they simply haven't learned about the man.
Then, if things like health care, education, crime etc. are going to be dealt with, their only chance is for America to maintain a very strong military and a very strong ecomony. It's a vast and dangerous world out there. The U.S. must maintain power in order for all the good stuff to happen. I'm sorry if reality is too much for some to take. But please, try.
p.s. NICE, a neck-and-neck race between McCain and Obama in a Register poll...in pretty-liberal Napa! Groovy. "
Raven wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:21 AM:
Ruff Limblog wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:38 AM:
NOT !!!
Since Republican registration is as low as it has been in years, and Democrats are registering voters and having turnouts 5 times larger than they have had in a decade or more... And independents say they will vote for Obama, and young voters are registering and turning out for Democratic candidates, we are not likely to see a Republican victory in November.
The McBushite war on American peace and prosperity is now thankfully coming to an end.
I agree with Dwayne's post that even if Obama had picked a conservative Republican for a running mate, Dwayne would not vote for the Democratic ticket. The same is even more true for Democratic voters. The disaffected PUMA vote is a Republican response to the nightsweats they are getting from contemplating the rejection coming from the American people.
~Ruff "
MarkMathews wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:00 AM:
diehard4ever wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:15 PM:
Now to figure out how to get past the voting machines...;) "
Hear Ye wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:13 PM:
These are the kind of unfounded and low class statements that give republicans a bad reputation "
diehard4ever wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:45 PM:
And liberal/democratic Bush-bashing isn't?
Listening (and liking) a person say "God D*** America" for ten years isn't too typical of a real patriot. "
a teacher wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:15 PM:
"Listening (and liking) a person say "God D*** America" for ten years isn't too typical of a real patriot. "
Who has been saying that? How did you hear it? "
diehard4ever wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:38 AM:
Obama's pastor, Reverend Not-So-Right. Go onto Michael Savage's website and you can hear audio clips if you don't believe me. "
kevin wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:18 AM:
LOL. Libs. In the future, we need to make sure to keep a couple of them around just for laughs... "
elb wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:37 AM:
BE SURE TO VOTE! "
elb wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:43 AM:
That pastor is scary and he didn't 'just suddenly turn scary' after Obama decided to run for president.
The fact that Obama wasn't able to discern his way out of that crazy church of his for some twenty years.... Well, that's a concern!
Obama either doesn't have good judgment or he's lying to us when he says he doesn't believe the way that pastor of his believes and preaches and has preached for decades!
Either way, that pastor of his cinched it for me. "
MarkMathews wrote on Aug 31, 2008 11:10 AM:
Ok, lets do it anyway... For one, and let me say this one more time, BUSH is NOT in the running this time, so "his" policies are not in the spotlight here, but those of McCAIN. McCain has policies that are strikingly opposite of those of Senator Obama, one of which is going after terrorists, not rolling over with a raised white flag. McCain wants we Americans to drill in as many domestic locations as we can for OUR oil, where as Sen. Obama is only luke-warm to drilling any where. The rest of his policies differ in that they are not the pity me unionist Marxist and creeping socialist clap trap which the democrat party ahs been pushing since 1968, when the pot smoking antiwar hippies took over the once proud party of President John F. Kennedy, Life Member of the National Rifle Association. Don’t lie down with the democrats or you will wake up with fleas and ticks. "
Hear Ye wrote on Aug 31, 2008 5:27 PM:
That's classic stuff there. Not only did you not address anything you said you were going to but you managed to be more off-base and "derogatory" than the person you were criticizing. Congratulations! "
a teacher wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:36 PM:
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:02 AM:
All those squadrons of chicenhawks flying in tight formation for EIGHT YEARS and they still haven't won the war!
And now... their feelings are hurt.
It's pretty much impossible - even with a magnifying glass -- to tell the difference between the policies of Boosh and McBoosh.
George Dubya Boosh -
War With NO End in Sight.
John Dubya McBoosh -
War With NO End in Sight.
I have a hard time telling the difference between socialism and Boooshevism... well... OK, then... beyond the fact that socialists want to take care of everybody and Booosheviks want to take care of everybody who makes $5 million or more already.
That's a difference, right?
Howzabout repeating the great line from the Bush campaign that there are no uninsured in America?
Please do MoveOn to telling us all about how Booosh and McBooosh are JUST EVER SO DIFFERENT, would'ja? I know that voting for Booosh policies like a rubber stamp JUST SEEMS identical...
Maybe promising to go Booosh one better on more tax cuts for RICH GUYS is different somehow?
Please explain... 'my friend' !!!
~McRuff "
kevin wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:45 AM:
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:30 PM:
I'm 13 in January. And like many people have told me, I think like a much older person. My parents let me listen to him because he explains things way better and he makes sense. Did you even go to the website? Probably not. Go there, listen to the clips, and then check out the funnt bumper stickers.
Kevin-
I totally agree. They'll turn anything around so the criminals the victim. They are kinda funny to watch when they stumble over themselves when they know you're right.
elb-
Right again. Even if I was the most liberal person ever, if I heardReverend Not-So-Right bashing America, I would definetely NOT vote for Obama.
Raven-
Will you stop with the Bush/McCain bashing? And you say us consevatives are mean spirited... "
Raven wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:31 PM:
and explain to me where I was bashing and where I was simply pointing out differences .... "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:01 PM:
Shrub. McSame. Ruff gives the perfect example. "
russ wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:59 PM:
You said,
"War With NO End in Sight"
I saw today that the US Army turned over Anbar province, in Iraq, to the Iraqi's security forces. that is the 11th province of 18. That sounds like progress to me.
I saw today that the US Marines are pulling out of Iraq and will be deployed to Afghanistan to kill Taliban. Marines are really good at killing Al Qaeda terrorists. Sounds like progress to me.
Let's continue making progress, killing enemy and destroying their havens and infrastructure. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:02 PM:
a teacher wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:26 PM:
My favorite is when it was announced that Se. Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor, Mike played "California Uber Alles" by the Dead Kennedys (get it?).
What a class act...
An intelligent person gathers information from both sides of the issue, even when they disagree with the source. "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:02 PM:
I love his stories about Teddy, life, and his predictions about the elections, although I disagree with his view of Palin. Now that you have gone to his website, you might want to listen to him, as you have taken things out of context. He believes that real autism is a big concern, but fake, created autism is a big lie and should be stopped. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:26 PM:
Raven wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:00 PM:
and diehard...how do you rate those who call Obama...Osama or BO? "
kevin wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:07 AM:
Just like G.W. has been used extensively the last 7 years to reference our President.
No difference... "
anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:55 AM:
How do I come to this?
Simple.
For decades the Communist movement has taken a completely different approach to the take down of our Capitalist society. One such approach is so obvious: Taking over one of the major political parties.
It is apparent to me, the views and policies set forth by Obama and the Democratic Party are quite Socialistic. Younger Americans are easily influenced to believe that government should take care of the population: healthcare, and other social programs for example. Young minds find themselves admiring people in music and hollywood who also believe in these socialist views, bringing our society into a mindset of "government is the solution."
Over time more and more people start believing in these policies creating a larger group of "independant voters". The Right must adjust to this change in society, and elect individuals (like McCain) that are "center of the road" politicians.
What this country needs is a true "Compassionate Conservative" (unlike Bush who is also quite independant in policy) to be voted into office.
Unfortunetly for us, too much socialist propaganda is influencing our society. And like many of my fellow conservatives, I am forced to vote McCain just to slow down the process of full out Socialsm that is present in the Democratic Party. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:29 AM:
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:43 AM:
TrickleDown wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:44 AM:
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:42 AM:
anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:17 PM:
" anti....where have you been the last few years...the communist party is a relic of an antiquated political system.....that will never be a threat to anyone as a political force. "
There is an old saying out there:
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he doesn't exist."
Communism is very much alive, just in the new wording of "progressive", "liberal", and "socialist."
An open mind can see the movement of the radicalism in the 60's and see the transfer from communism into the much softer approach of socialism. Communism had such a "bad rap" that leaders of those political movements made the transition.
Which makes me think of another quote:
"Socialism is Communism with a human face."
Never a threat to anyone, you say?
Just look at the Democratic platform and tell me all the wealth distribution in there is not socialism. They Left wants to destroy the capitalist society (and our sovereignty) and hand it over to the UN and EU. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 2, 2008 2:50 PM:
You left out making us drink flouride and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids... "
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:09 PM:
When the wall came down in 89 and the Soviet Union dissolved, communist left the world stage as a potent force....even 'Communist China' has veered so far away from the Marxist/Leninist workers paradise as to be a totalitarian regime disguised in the red flag...the only two communist states left are North Korea and Vietnam...and we can see how Vietnam is slowly moving towards capitalism and how the hard liners in North Korea are driving their country into the dirt... "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:26 PM:
as my mom once said...
"...speechless is good, very good!" "
diehard4ever wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:29 PM:
BO are just his initials. The Osama thing is really old. I haven't used that one in a really long time. Besides, they kinda do sound similar... "
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:52 PM:
anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:56 PM:
" ahh...is that how it works....all part of a grand conspiracy to dissolve the US...glad you are on the ball there...not what about the fake moon landing conspiracy.....because it has just as much a basis in fact as your Commies taking over the world theory..
Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record:
(Here are a few of these goals)
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, and policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Although submitted back in 60's (when Democrats were Democrats) it is apparant these adjectives are being completed. The other objectives are just as interesting. #15 is the most disturbing because Obama's rhetoric praises wealth distribution, which communism and socialism stand for. "
a teacher wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:17 PM:
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 6:16 PM:
exactly which big businesses are controlled by communists
exactly which unions are controlled by communists
haven't seen piece that since I was in high school... "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 2, 2008 7:58 PM:
But I thought, surely some Republican would crow about it... and that would lead to a thoughtful introduction of how the Bungle administration is quietly being forced by the Iraqi government (and reality) into adopting the Obama plan for ending the war.
When you think about it honestly, it only took the Bungle Administration just SEVEN YEARS to adopt Barack Obama's plan (so heavily mocked by warmongers everywhere) for dealing with Osama Bin Laden instead of the SEVEN YEARS wasted in Iraq.
But, admitting that Obama was right all along -- from the time Obama denounced the Iraq invasion before Mr. Bungle started squandering American lives there -- until now is not ever going to be confessed by die-hard war lovers anywhere.
And... even though the Bungle Administration is implementing the Obama plan, John Dubya McBooosh is still out there ranting about more war, war in Iran, war in Georgia. Endless war with no end in sight. Just like I said.
"There will be more wars, my friend", says John Dubya McBooosh.
All of us commies, cowards and America haters were RIGHT ALL ALONG!!! The Bungle Invasion of Iraq was indeed a distraction and an expensive boondoggle, both in lives and money.
However, if the American people were not kicking the props out from under the warmongers right now... Mr. Bungle wouldn't be slowly implementing the Barack Obama plan.
Nor would you be discussing the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq like Barack Obama outlined awhile back.
~Ruff "
antipc wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:29 PM:
kevin wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:35 PM:
General David Petraeus sees huge progress in Iraq
Patrick Walters, Baghdad | September 03, 2008
THERE has been "enormous progress" in improving security across Iraq and there are real indications that the country is finally turning away from the endemic violence of recent years.
As he prepares to leave Baghdad within days, General David Petraeus, the top US commander in Iraq, cites a host of statistics that indicate the war-torn country is at last "spiralling upwards" towards a more normal existence.
In an exclusive hour-long farewell interview with The Australian in his office in the ornate presidential palace in Baghdad, General Petraeus sees signs of a return to more normal conditions in the capital and increasingly, across a country that only 20 months ago was still riven by horrific sectarian conflict.
General Petraeus is leaving Iraq in two weeks to become the US's CENTCOM commander, a post that will see him charged with responsibility for the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Last Sunday, there were no serious security incidents across the whole of Baghdad.
President Bush and Congress made the correct choice in removing Saddam. And our troops did an excellent job!
Congratulations and thank you. "
anticommie wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:55 PM:
so I take it you concede all the other goals I presented in my argument have been either completed or are still in the works!! Thanks for the ego boost.
I am more than aware that that information was written in the 60's that is why I acknowledged the precise date it was entered into Congress. May I also point out that in my first post I stated the transformation of Communism to Socialism, but I will refrain from being too redundant. But read it again if you feel inclined.
in regards to YOUR rebuttal:
Being a Union member myself, my Union SEIU is definitely run by "progressives" and other like minded liberals, for one. The teachers Union is also composed of "progressive" like minded liberals. Basically most all Union's are somewhat Socialist in nature in the sense that people are forced to be a part of one in order to work in certain fields of work.
Corporations? Well.... 95% of Hollywood Production Companies for example. I wont even get into TV Corporations like MTV, they speak for themselves. Media outlets i.e. New York Times, San Fransisco Chronicle, CNN, MSNBC, etc.
These CORPORATIONS incorporate #'s 20,21,26,28, and 40 of the "Goals" I presented earlier into our society, brainwashing the younger generations of Americans. "
Raven wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:09 PM:
as for the union, so for you, being progressive is equal to being a communist....so the progressive that fought for your right to be a union member were communists?
and you have yet to name one of them and show who running them is a communist, just calling someone a communist doesn't make it so...facts, anti, give us the facts..who are these communists that are bothering you so much....? Give us their names.... "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:45 AM:
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:22 AM:
We've heard that malignment before.
False Premise+Conspiracy Theory = ___[fillintheblank] "
rage against wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:23 AM:
BIDEN
2008
This time around I was going to refrain from voting. Maybe I would right-in a canidate, or vote for one of hopeless parties. But through contributing to, being censored by, and reading from the register's blogs I have been inspired to vote.
Lately I have been putting signs up in front of my house, inpiring all of my slacker friends to do their part, and actively campaigning for my canidate. I am in my mid twenties. I have researched politics, domestic and world affairs, as well as a variety of other subjects, and I feel it is time for me to make an educated and (like I said before) inspired decision.
I am voting for Barrack Obama and Joseph Biden in this November's Presidential election. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:37 AM:
anticommie wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:33 AM:
A great reverence book to these changes is called "The Radical Son." Read the life of a man that was part of that movement of the 60's in Berkeley, Ca. Very interesting. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 1:55 PM:
Thanks for being there! "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:00 PM:
So for awhile dellasumbrella will be insulated, isolated and incommunicado.
Enjoy the debates, one & all! "
Raven wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:06 PM:
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:53 PM:
Oh, Really?
What was pretty much the first foreign policy feat of George Dubya Bush?
Why it was kissing the butts of the Communist Chinese who were holding a US plane and crew hostage after ramming it in mid-air over international waters.
As I recall, the Head Cowboy of the self-styled 'Party of Stalwart Anti-Communism' allowed the Chinese to cut that plane into pieces, steal the electronics, and then topped it off by renting a Russian heavy-lift transport to bring the parts home.
And after that disgusting demonsration of crawfishing cowardice??? Bupkis on the commie-fighting front from Dubya.
And now you want to say that Democrats are socialist appeasers?
Really???
Going back to the Tienamen Square massacre of Chinese students who actually put up their own 'Goddess of Liberty'... Who was it that sent Howard Baker to toast the brutal thugs at the top of the Chinese Communist dictatorship???
Why it was Pappy Bush, now wasn't it?
How quaint, that both Bushes get away with the biggest acts of commie appeasement since the fall of the Berlin Wall while some folks call Democrats commie appeasers!
The best friends the Chinese Communists have ever had are presidents named BUSH.
Progressives know who the Chinese Communist party sits down and canoodles with and IT IS NOT US, even if some folks around here are suffering terribly from "Republican Memory Disorder".
~Ruff "
kevin wrote on Sep 3, 2008 6:43 PM:
I'm sure everyone remembers Bill Clinton and Al Gore and their Chinese presidential "contributors" Johnny Chung, Charlie Trie and John Huang.
Who could forget the Temple Monks giving money to Algore? Hillarious! "
anticommie wrote on Sep 3, 2008 7:32 PM:
Very interesting points, and I will say everything that you point out about the Bush's is very true, and very disturbing. I never said I agreed with that appeasement. But to their credit.... We KNOW neither of them are Socialists! I believe it is the Left, that says Bush is TOO RIGHT WING!!! Where with Obama, its OBVIOUS he IS a Socialist, or at least has many Socialist views.
Do I think that in this day and age Communism and Socialism are the same thing? Well........I guess I do!
It's unfortunate that so many people do not even realize that they themselves share so many Socialist views as our enemies like Socialist Hugo Chavez of Venezuela or idealize past communists like Che Guevara! People that agree with individuals like that, i would have to say are Socialists. I will have to disagree with people when they say Communism is no longer alive in America. Tell that to next person wearing a Che Guevara shirt. "
Raven wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:39 PM:
kevin wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:35 PM:
Communist countries do not have private property. That is why when the Soviet Union collapsed, they ended up dividing and selling State property back to the people. With varying degrees of success.
It will continue to get worse if we continue to elect Liberals like B.O. "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:01 PM:
What Obama plan? He actually has one? And when did Bush rant about war in Georgia? You're just making all this stuff up to entertain us, but no, I won't give you your own late night talk show. You can go on Air America (if they are still in business) and push your silly distortions. "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:17 PM:
If you don't know Obamas plan for Iraq, that's nobody's fault but yours. "
kevin wrote on Sep 4, 2008 6:34 AM:
Like ALL of B.O.'s propaganda, he says something different every time he gives a speech. I guess that is what he means by 'CHANGE"... "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:07 AM:
I'm still waiting for Ruff to point to when Bush ranted about war with Georgia, as he claimed in the Sept 2 7:58PM post here. Just more ruff innuendo, without any basis or fact, and just like Obama's promises. "
plasticpinkflamingo wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:23 AM:
antipc wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:36 PM:
asahigo wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:08 AM:
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:47 AM:
Me too. Wow. It's interesting because I have always tried to teach my children to broaden their perspective on life and read about differing views, even those they don't agree with.
I'm not suggesting that anyone posting here has adjustment problems of any sort but parents need to be extra vigilant not to teach their children to view the world and the opinions of other people in such a narrow way. I really appreciate when young people can say, "well your idea is interesting but...." When I see young people just "labeling" so many things, it concerns me.
Are those their own ideas or a reflection of those around them? Anyway, about the problems with adjustment (that's a mild term for what it really is); I recently read that children who are taught to be discriminatory toward others; who are taught to hate or dislike other people whose opinions, looks, skin color, sexual orientation, or political views differ from there own are more likely to have substantial adjustment problems later on.
I do not think it's healthy for the NVR to allow a twelve year old child to have their own blog. I think it feeds the situation and causes a young person to become even more "stuck" in their thought process. Sixteen is a more acceptable age for taking on the responsibilities of a blog because the extra level of maturity allows a person to think for themselves and perhaps allows those extra life experiences to broaden their perspective. "
XMAN wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:36 AM:
kevin wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:39 PM:
BOTH candidates favor amnesty for illegals, so there is nothing we can do about that... "
rage against wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:50 AM:
I have listened to both canidates on this issue, and I have researched their respective websites, which detail their positions on Iraq and the war.
What I found was that Obama has consistently stood behind the position that he will be responsible for the end the war. For those that say he is always changing his mind, he hasn't changed his mind about that issue.
The thing about war for me is, I understand it is inevitable, but at some point it must end. I understand that Mccain wants the Iraqi's to be independent and peaceful when we leave, but Mccain does not go the distance to claim that he will push for the war to end, or will end the war. This is suspicious and depressing in my mind. If our president is not going to commit to ending a war, that has already lasted over a half-decade, I have to ask myself if this person really understands the people and what they want. I feel Obama understands what people want today, and that is peace, not war without the mention of end. "
rage against wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:08 PM:
Now is the time to shed our dependence on burning fossil fuels and creating nuclear waste. We will have to do these things eventually, or we will drown in our own refuse.
I support Obama's position to invest in and push for more alternative energy, as well as his position to ease our dependence on foriegn oil. He purposes to do this not by drilling for more oil, but by easing our dependence on burning fossil fuels in general. "
cop105 wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:52 PM:
reader wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:52 PM:
OBAMA / BIDEN - YES!!
No more SHRUBS in the White House! "
kevin wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:05 PM:
As for the war, B.O. has said numerous things about Iraq: he will pull the troops out immediately, he will pull them out is 16 months, he will send them back to Iraq if Al Quaeda comes back, he refuses to promise to have the troops out in 4 years. Just like all his other positions, he doesn't just take both sides, he has three or more... "
Doug Pharr wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:27 PM:
Obama himself wrote in Audacity of Hope at page 11: "I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them."
Obama’s soaring rhetoric over substance IS their strategy. According to the Washington Post, his close advisor David Axelrod has long urged Democratic campaigns “revolve more around personality than policy.” Obviously when he found Obama, he thought he hit the Mother Lode.
By the way, how come when unemployment goes up, the Dems get away with claiming it is happening on Bush and McCain’s watch? Hasn’t it happened on Obama and Biden’s watch? Hasn’t Obama been a Senator for almost two years? Haven’t the Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate all that time? Isn’t it actually happening on the watch of a do-nothing Congress that doesn’t want to solve any problems because that might hurt the Democrat's chances to win the Presidency?
They won those majorities in 2006 when they promised, if elected, they would reduce the price of gasoline, fix the economy, get bin laden (but surrender in Iraq), and generally make the world a better place. Has the President vetoed some major Democratic legislation that would have solved all of our problems? If so, I didn’t hear about it.
The Obama and the Democrats are peddling snake oil. Wake up, America! "
WorksInNapa wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:34 PM:
anticommie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:24 AM:
" so ...have you found out who among the media corporations is a communist, anti?...I want to root them out...... "
CNN, MSNBC, NPR... Wolf Blitzer, Kieth Oberman, the whole bunch of 'em, in my opinion. I feel that those on the left are a little oblivious to the left wing radicalism that spreads like a virus on our T.V. screens. That or they just agree with it. "
Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:37 AM:
anticommie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:15 PM:
once again if you read through my statements I make aware that in the 60's in America that Communism went through a transformation into Socialism. While doing so the Left wing began using terms like "progressive" instead of communism and socialism. So... I am saying that though the Major Communist party looks as though it no longer exists, the liberal agenda continues on with communist idealogy. So in an essence, I am making the claim that most left wingers ( in one form or another) are communists or socialists. "
Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:12 PM:
btw...progressive came into use as a political description a bit before the 1960s.....or did the commies take that and change its meaning.... "
Rich wrote on Sep 7, 2008 5:50 PM:
How about some Two Buck Chuck to go with that crow? "
Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:35 PM:
Dwayne wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:25 PM:
" yeah...we all know how scientific that poll is...I was merely surprised it took all the bush supports that long to figure out how to game the poll "
Makes me wonder if when Obama loses the election, if he will use the same liars..errr...lawyers who whined in Gore's behalf.... "
Raven wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:52 PM:
rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:31 AM:
What Obama suposes is that we, the people, change our policies as well as or behaviors. NOWHERE in Obama's plan is there a commitment to cutting our dependence on oil foriegn or otherwise within 10 years. What you might be referring to is Obama's plan to supplant 10% of our oil dependence with alternative energy by 2012. Anyone who is confused about this should take a look at his policies. Usually if something sounds outlandish and unattainable, it is probably an exageration, and requires more critical thought. "
rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:16 AM:
Now it seems the war continues in order to aid in the creation of a free-and independent Iraq, a goal of which many other more desperate countries are in need. According to the last count 11 out of 18 Iraqi provinces are now under Iraqi security forces control. It appears that the end to this contraversial and bloody occupation is in sight, or at least the beginning of the end is underway. I prefer to side with the person who sees a close proximity to the end of this war, and not an unknown wandering path. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:16 AM:
And aren't you proud that we are the most productive nation on the planet, as well as being the first to provide aid for disasters anywhere in the world...
Kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling when you see our flag waving in the wind, and want to stare at it and put your hand over your heart, eh...???
Ain't it great to be the good guys.... "
kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:51 PM:
"Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has outlined a plan he claims would end US reliance on imported oil within 10 years at a campaign speech in Michigan."
THEY don't seem to be CONFUSED at all... "
kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:17 PM:
I almost feel sorry for the guy. When it rains, it pours... "
russ wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:50 PM:
Wodward's advice to Al Qaeda was to get out of Iraq or be killed.
Woodward also stated that success of the surge was in part due to this Special Forces operation, which has helped to decimate Al Qaeda.
My guess is that Afghanistan and Pakistan are getting the same.
rage, get out now? Obama, get out now? "
Raven wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:41 PM:
Dwayne explain to me how this.."And aren't you proud that we are the most productive nation on the planet, as well as being the first to provide aid for disasters anywhere in the world...
Kinda gives you that warm fuzzy feeling when you see our flag waving in the wind, and want to stare at it and put your hand over your heart, eh...???"
has anything to do with alternative energy sources, the quote of rages you said you were responding to.. "
rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:47 PM:
Bassically, we have an addiction to oil. We are not alone in the world by any means, but it is our capability to see our faults that sets us apart from the world and allows us to take care of our responsibilities. If we conserved more energy during our days, purchased more fuel efficient vehicles, and acted a bit more concerned about the earth that we are polluting, we will open up the door for alternative, waste-free, energy to step in for fossil fuels and nuclear energy. I hope this clears things up, although I have a feeling it won't. "
rage against wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:53 PM:
kevin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:30 PM:
I know this is difficult for Democrats (especially B.O.) but words MEAN things.
B.O. SAID he would END (not reduce) US dependence on foreign oil in 10 years.
He can't do that. Even if we Drill Here, Drill Now we won't eliminate our dependence on foreign oil in 10 years. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:14 AM:
I'm proud of this country, and don't subscribe to your thinking that we are the most wasteful... I am merely pointing out that we use the most resources because we are the most productive country on the planet, including foreign aid...
You constantly complain about gred and whatever else you can conjure up, and conveniently leave out the mitigating circumstances that make us the good guys...
You think we deserve to be hated throughout the world because you overlook all the good that we do...
If you listen to Nancy Pelosi and Obama you'll align yourself with the most radical negative view of YOUR country, while blindly ignoring the big picture of who we really are... "
rage against wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:00 AM:
I was wrong earlier when I said that Obama doesn't plan on being free from foriegn oil in ten years. HE DOES plan on doing that, but first he plans on completely transforming our economy.
In the speach that you are reffering to Obama outlined a complete transformation of the U.S. economy, with the goal to be free from our dependency to foriegn oil by 2019. This will take the kind of ingenuity and hard working American spirit that Roosevelt called for when he gave us the New Deal, and Kennedy demanded when he purposed to land a man on the moon.
These are the kind of times we are living in once again, the all or nothing times. You can't give just a little bit and expect the world to change. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:36 AM:
You send me all the defective and unwanted children that you don't kill, and I'll take care of them... How's that...:-) "
rage against wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:46 AM:
"You send me all the defective and unwanted children that you don't kill, and I'll take care of them... How's that...:-)"
Again, I don't see the significance of this comment and/or what you are trying to say, but your earlier comment at 9:14 is very clear to me.
I want an America that is not dependent on foriegn oil to fuel our kid's schoolbusses, our own vehicles, and ultimately support our economy.
I want the world to revere Americans as a responsible, peaceful, perservering people.
I want our countries popular images to be those of strong, healthy families, independent, hard-working individuals, intelligent, moral social activists, not movie gods and rock stars with huge expensive houses, diamond jewelery, $200,000 automobiles, or slick business executives who sell out the working man for their own gain, or political tv personalities on both sides who spend more time on their hair and makeup than they do worrying about what the networks have them saying.
I want a better America than the one I live in today. I purpose, along with millions of others, and presidential candidate Barack Obama, that we can change for the better.
To me, change and improvement are positive concepts. "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:15 PM:
Yes, change can be good. Pretty soon, Obama will be changing into a Republican! "
Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:22 PM:
Senator Carl Schurz, in a speech delivered at the Anti-Imperialistic Conference, Chicago, Illinois, October 17, 1899: “I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country—when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’” "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:35 PM:
" dwayne......you constantly amaze me..."
I am amazing, aren't I.... :-) "
winemd wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:36 PM:
LifeLongNapan wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:45 PM:
Raven wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:53 PM:
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:47 PM:
rage against wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:35 AM:
The more exposure he gains, the better he understands what the people of this country want. The changing of his stance on certain issues is a direct result of his commitment to the people. A president who can admit his faults, open his mind and change his opinions, and satisfy the population he represents is who Obama will become.
By no means is this man perfect, but he is the best choice this country has. "
Gunga Ga Lunga wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:31 AM:
Dwayne wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:04 PM:
Just sayin'...... "
rage against wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:29 PM:
Thank you for explaining why I've been having such a hard time understanding your posts. Here I thought it was just your semantics.
Gunga,
The majority of our country opposes the war in Iraq. According to Fox news over 60% of our country disapprove of Bush's policies. And the majority of bloggers (49 %) right here in Napa are going to vote for Obama. These are the "realistic" numbers of the majority. "
Raven wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:31 PM:
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 10, 2008 2:42 PM:
Antisocial Personality Disorder is also known as psychopathy or
sociopathy. Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the
feeling and welfare of others.
They do not consider other people's wishes, welfare or
rights. They can be manipulative and may lie to gain personal
pleasure or profit.
not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:46 PM:
" so you are saying that is where your support for Bush and McCain comes from.... "
In spite of our political differences, I actually like you, Raven... You argue for your limitations... That takes guts..... "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:01 PM:
winemd wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:30 PM:
misfit wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:09 PM:
kevin wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:34 PM:
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:44 PM:
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:10 PM:
Dwayne wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:51 AM:
" I think we "Dems" should all band together and boycott all of the corporate broadcast media. Maybe they would have to listen after all once it begins to effect their bottom line. "
Great idea... I'd even switch parties to join you, but I still wouldn't vote for Obama... Haaaaaa........ "
kdbk wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:52 PM:
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 12, 2008 6:45 AM:
You're kidding right? You realize this isn't a scientific poll and it tells us nothing about the upcoming election? You can vote as many times as you want in this poll as we saw when McCain went on a 45-3 run a couple days ago to make this thing close. Try reviewing the state-by-state polls and get back to me. Thanks "
MarkMiwords wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:04 AM:
rage against wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:35 AM:
I couldn't agree more. However you want to look at it, McCain/Palin is a synonym for Bush/Cheney. Very happy to mark your words, hope that others will do the same.
kdbk, I don't understand how a poll showing Obama in the lead can spell defeat for him in November. And to Hear ye's point, these polls don't mean anything. Try asking some people outside your normal interaction limit. I think you will find most are voting for Obama and Biden. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:37 AM:
The only friends he seems to have are kept out of the limelight because they are irrational like Reverend Wright, or convicted Chicago thugs...
Who will speak for Obama and tell his "story"...???
The DNC has dumped 30+ lawyers and investigators into Alaska to dig for information about Sarah. They've even offered cash to people in bars to talk about her.
There's gotta be someone out there with a personal story about Omama... Right...??? Where are they...???
The guy has to have something more going for him than his manufactured messianic complex.....
I wanna hear from just one "victim" who Obama helped turn his/her life around as a community organizer, don't you...??? Just one...... "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:14 PM:
As a community organizer, your time was your own, and as long as you stirred things up, kept up your contacts, and got out the vote you got your paycheck. Kind of shows in the job performance of a senator from Illinois. "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:20 PM:
Joe wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:25 PM:
Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:03 PM:
Google, dude..... Google.......
You know you're safe, because we can't post non-gov links here...... "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:04 PM:
Shhhhh.... Don't steal my bait... I know about ACORN... "
dellasumbrella wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:11 PM:
We gotta keep on it; these dirty campaign tactics abound. "
rage against wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:46 PM:
Dirty campaign tactics and misinformation is all that is left of the Republican party. I will be amazed if the Republicans get a quarter of the electoral college.
Dellasumbrella, you are correct, we have to keep pushing back the tide. Obama's message of change and the policy he has laid out is clear for anyone who wants to see it.
Visit Obama's website and see for yourself. "
Dwayne wrote on Sep 12, 2008 5:00 PM:
Ummmm, better check the map... It's neck an' neck right now, and moving in favor of McCain/Palin..... "
Sandra wrote on Sep 12, 2008 9:22 PM:
I am confused. McCain was against going into Iraq. He told Bush so. He also said that if Bush pushed to go into Iraq, that he better make sure he gets the job done correctly. Well Bush went in, and did not do the job correctly. Both things different than what McCain said. Then McCain kept pushing for the surge, contrary to what both parties wanted. When McCain finally got enough people to agree with him, the surge happened, and it worked. So explain to me, how is that supporting Bush' policies? If Bush had listened to McCain none of this would have happened. I guess if you keep repeating lies long enough someone will believe you. Oh and the rest of your post follows along in the same vein of "WRONG"....hope I marked your words well enough. "
napaman5446 wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:09 PM:
I don't care about her 17 y/o. Why should she care about anybody else's choice.
I'm voting for the 21st century. Remember that we're in a new century and Mcwhatever is a dinosaur. "
XMAN wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:29 AM:
reason-ator wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:17 AM:
Sandra wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:39 PM:
finewine wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:39 AM:
McCain and Palin have my vote!
Cheri Fels "
rage against wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:15 AM:
Sounds like you have bought fully into the appeal to fear fallacy that the republicans sell so well. Be sure you don't have any Russian or Korean in you or your family before you fully commit, otherwise you might find yourself lumped into the huge list of potential threats you talked about. That same war-mongering regime you support might do exactly what it is made to do, and turn it's guns on you one day. Nothing but historical examples to back up that simple assumption.
As for issues like education, social reform, the economy, global climate...I'm sure more spending on the military can win those battles too, right? "
Raven wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:00 PM:
winemd, my answer about prop 8 is that I strongly oppose it, will vote against and if it somehow manages to pass, I will work hard to change it.... "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:38 PM:
Raven wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:38 PM:
14obama wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:05 PM:
Word wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 AM:
Luv1mom wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:31 AM:
Obama/Biden 2008 is a must!! "
Ruff Limblog wrote on Sep 17, 2008 5:18 PM:
'Community organizers', aka 'community activists' are relentlessly working on voter registration. Nobody sets up a podium, holds a mic and a camera up for them, but they have their eye on the prize.
We now see Obama pulling ahead in the polls.
And with record-setting numbers of folks signing up for, contributing to, and talking to their neighbors about voting for Barack Obama, we are seeing the Bush/McBush Republicans in big trouble.
Sarah Palin and Rudy Guiliani are not the only people who made fun of 'community organizers' at the Republican Convention, but together they may have... to paraphrase Admiral Yamamoto...
"Awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."
No need to argue with Republicans to win in November... even if it is easy and somewhat fun... out organize them.
Ooooh! Yes... We... CAN !!!
~Ruff "
kevin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 6:48 PM:
First it is just wrong (Jesus was a carpenter), second it just sounds strange to have Libs talking about the Bible, something they obviously know little about because...
...they evidently don't remember what happened to Jesus... "
Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:18 AM:
Didn't Jesus say "Render unto Ceaser, what is Ceasers."
He also said his kingdom was not of this earth.......doesn't that translate to mean he was not political, and believed that everyone's faith should be in Gods hands? Somehow I don't see Obama following in these footsteps....nor does that make Jesus a community organizer....but it was a nice try from Obamas campaign....quite lame...but nice try... "
luv1mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:05 AM:
Obama/Biden 2008 "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:22 AM:
Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:20 PM:
I will repeat what I said to Ruff:
I am ruuber, and you are glue.
Whatever you say,
bounces offf me,
and sticks to you.
Playground games...what fun!
Now as to why the posts from Kevin and I SHOULD provoke thought....
It is more of the same type of strategy that the Obama Campaign has used throughout this race...which is one of comparing Obama to historical figures so as to equate him to them. It was Lincoln, and MLK earlier, and now its Jesus.
I find that alarming, and manipulative. I also find it insulting to my intelligence.
You don't need to think about it though.....
What you might want to think about, is that Clinton laid the groundwork for the situation we are now in concerning our economy and the fanny mays, etc. Seems to me the mess was, at the least, a bipartisan effort. Clintons for starting it, and Bush's for not fixing it. Oh, and lets not leave out the congress. They are the ones that introduce the legislation.... "
Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:21 PM:
luv1mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:25 PM:
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:10 PM:
I agree with you. That was kind of my point. "
Sandra wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:22 PM:
Hear ye, I was agreeing with you also.
I think you misunderstand me.
My point about Jesus being a community organizer JUST like Obama, was to underline the strategy that the Obama campaign is using in regards to comparing their candidate to famous figures from the past.
It was not to pose an argument on whether jesus was really a community organizer, or not. (Though my personal opinion is he wasn't. )
This Obama campaign strategy is a simplistic, manipulative ploy, which I find offensive on many levels. I am surprised anyone would fall for it. But then again, there are those who want simple answers, and want to be led with out having to think for themselves. I find the whole thing ironic, because of the almost worshipful quality the hard core supporters show to him. It alarms me that the campaign would play on this... There is too much demogogary going on. "
Hear Ye wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:31 PM:
It really depends what side of the fence you're on. To me, There is much more demogogary going on with McCain and company.
I'm not sure I know the origin of the "Jesus was a community organizer" but from my very brief research it doesn't seem to come directly from the campaign, could definitely be wrong though.
Furthermore, the statement is a reaction to the disgusting mockery of community service by Palin and Guliani among others. It's the idea that the very people who use God to gain voters then mock a profession that I think most would say would be seen in a good light by Jesus (as can be supported by the New Testament). It's the republicans who use terms like "messiah" and "the one" to describe Obama. It's just a talking point of the republicans to try and explain away the excitement about Obama. Oh Obama drew 75,000 to a speech, well that must be because he thinks he's a god and has everyone fooled. No, it's because a lot of people really dislike Bush and co. and Obama is very different than Bush. It's also because the young people are energized about having a candidate that they can relate too.
The bottome line IMO is that your last paragraph would probably be agreed with by roughly half the country and if you wrote McCain instead Obama the other roughly half of the country would now agree with you. McCain fits your last paragraph much stronger to me so put me in the latter.
Is it true you're a registered Democrat? If so, why? This is a sincere question, BTW "
luv1mom wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:47 AM: