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CommentDear editor, On a recent Sunday afternoon, I overheard a burly white fellow tell another slightly less burly just-as-white fellow how he would vote for Obama if only he wasn’t black. He liked Obama, even went as far as to say he pretty much saw eye to eye with him, but he just couldn’t vote for a black man. His friend let him know that he heard him as he nodded in agreement and went back to sweetening his coffee.
I wanted to say something but I didn’t. Silence the last refuge of the scoundrel? Instead I walked into Target and bought the new Metallica CD, went home, blasted Metallica’s music and forgot about what I heard and what I felt. I’m good at that sort of thing, better and better as the years go by.
I wanted to say something but I didn’t. Silence the last refuge of the scoundrel? Instead I walked into Target and bought the new Metallica CD, went home, blasted Metallica’s music and forgot about what I heard and what I felt. I’m good at that sort of thing, better and better as the years go by.
Two days later I thought about that lazy Sunday afternoon conversation that I overheard and felt anger — something I have not felt in a while — so I decided to write and hope said fellow will recognize himself in the letters page of the Register.
You know, sir, we could argue back and forth about the merits and morals of the presidential candidates. However, the simple fact remains that if you make less than $250,000 a year and choose not to vote for Obama, you are simply digging your own hole. It’s that black and white this election year.
You know, sir, we could argue back and forth about the merits and morals of the presidential candidates. However, the simple fact remains that if you make less than $250,000 a year and choose not to vote for Obama, you are simply digging your own hole. It’s that black and white this election year.
Alfred Huete / Napa
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common sense wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:15 AM:
Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:22 AM:
It's a plot I tell ya!
A plot to call out to America's better angels that is.
Racists will still be racists if Obama wins, but the world will know that racism did not keep a qualified man out of the White House when Obama wins.
~Ruff "
kbf wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:44 AM:
nwnapan wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:49 AM:
get a grip wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:27 AM:
a teacher wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:44 AM:
kevin wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:55 AM:
musikluvr wrote on Oct 4, 2008 9:05 AM:
I've heard people say that they wouldn't vote for him because he stated several weeks ago on TV in front of George Stephanopolus that he was a muslim .
Our soldiers are fighting a war in the middle east against the Taliban militant muslims but I would never consider these issues when voting for a man to be our president. "
steph wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:50 AM:
Barack IS black. He is treated like a black man because his skin is black. He goes to a black church and is married to a black woman. He's an enlightened, well-educated black man with a white mother. He was mostly brought up by a white grandmother, but he was never white.
I'm protesting "my" political party, the Republicans, who have abandoned fiscal responsibility in favor of the pursuit of theocratic ideals, much to my dismay. I'm voting for Bob Barr, especially as my vote in California is otherwise meaningless.
However, if Barack Obama wins this presidency, right or wrong, I'll be happy that we have a black rock-star president, for once. I'll be nervous about our foreign policy (appeasement?) and creeping socialism, but I'll be happy that our country has reached a point where a black man holds the most powerful position in the world. It's about time. I think Barack will represent to many black children that success is possible through education and hard work, and I think this is a very, very good thing for our country.
Call it Obama-mania, I may have a touch of it myself. "
anticommie wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:57 AM:
It is the typical liberal double standard. Only whites can be racist. Think about it, could you imagine if John McCain went to a church with a reverend like Jeremy Wright, but white? If John McCain had a friend like Bill Ayers, the terrorist that jump stared Obama's political career? Would the left try and destroy McCain's political career? You bet they would. If John McCain was involved with Rezko in Chicago like Obama was, would the left call him a "slumlord?" You bet they would.
My point is, if Obama was white even he couldn't get away with his own associations. I have no problem with skin color, in fact I hope to see Condi Rice on a ticket someday. But these FACTS are completely overlooked by the left. It's your typical affirmitive action mind set. The fact also remains that if you are a right winger you are a "bigot," a "racist," "ignorant," "rich," "white," males in the eyes of the left. But if you are a left winger you are "educated," "open minded," "tolerant" and a bunch of other feel good words.
Double standard my friend, double standard.
And this guy Al, he really thinks that if you make under $250,000 a year, and you vote for McCain you did your own grave? I think you vote for Obama at ANY INCOME, you did your own grave. $250,000 a year is not a lot of money, it's a lot more than I make, but it doesnt make you rich. "
anticommie wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:58 AM:
Tell me again how Obama is qualified? "
Hear Ye wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:45 AM:
People always identify more with the race they are percieved to be. He has been very open about his race/heritage. You should try reading his books before you claim he is not truthful about it.
I've already been called a "N word" lover multiple times in this pleasant liberal town of ours because of my support for Obama. Luckily there is such a difference between the candidates on issues that the far majority of people will be able to vote based on reasonable logic. "
comment wrote on Oct 4, 2008 12:39 PM:
It's a terrible thing, but people don't look beyond color of skin when they judge which race a person is. The public sees Obama as a black man, even if he is half white simply based on the color of his skin. People who were half white and half black but had dark skin during the 1800's and early 1900's weren't treated any better than someone who was 100% african-american and they certainly weren't seen as white by the white people. "
kdbk wrote on Oct 4, 2008 1:21 PM:
Anyway, since he considers himself black, despite the white mother who gave birth to him...and apparently most black people in the U.S. agree with him (white mother can be totally disregarded in the racial composition of the offspring??????). But certainly the most appalling thing about this whole campaign is the fact that well over 90% of black voters will vote for Obama because he is "black". As far as the progress of our society is concerned, can anyone say "regression"?
If just 15 or 18 percent of the entire black population of the U.S. voted Republican, the Democrat candidate would never-ever win an election. Maybe we can all just ponder that for a moment. Where is the "diversity" of political thought in black America? WHERE? Oh, wait, now someone is going to come along and tell me: "hey, maybe 95% of blacks just happen to agtree with Obama's policy positions". Please, don't depress me any more. "
pbsm777 wrote on Oct 4, 2008 3:44 PM:
Where is the "diversity" of political thought in black America? WHERE? Oh, wait, now someone is going to come along and tell me: "hey, maybe 95% of blacks just happen to agtree with Obama's policy positions". Please, don't depress me any more. "
I hate to depress you, but you should direct your question to the leadership of the Republican party...Why can't they get their message to the black audience? An honest question.
It's 1 of 2 things: The message is not being targeted properly OR they hear the message and don't agree. That's called free thought.
Try not to be depressed. Their already is enough legitimate sadness in this world. "
common sense wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:10 PM:
cab e-girl wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:41 PM:
steph wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:51 PM:
Look how well-received the black republicans are? (Not very well.) "
Raven wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:54 PM:
anticommie wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:56 PM:
We have new the new Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot of our time, just look to Iran and N. Korea. If we're not careful we are going to get the new Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin, Obama and Biden 2008! "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 4, 2008 5:24 PM:
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 4, 2008 5:32 PM:
"As the child of a black man and a white woman, someone who was born in the racial melting pot of Hawaii, with a sister who's half Indonesian but who's usually mistaken for mexican or Puerto Rican, and a brother-in-law and niece of Chinese descent, with some blood relatives who resemble margaret Thatcher and others who could pass for Bernie Mac, so that family get-togethers over Christmas take on the appearance of a UN General Assembly meeting, I've never had the option of restricting my loyalties on the basis of race...."
So where does he say he identifies himself as black? kdbk? Can you please answer that for me? "
Hear Ye wrote on Oct 4, 2008 5:34 PM:
I agree with you that's why I did my research and decided to support Obama
KDBK-
The only thing I agree with you on is that you are indeed having a difficult time understanding
anticommie wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:56 PM:
"Obama and Biden 2008! "
I knew you would come around! Congrats "
diehard4ever wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:15 PM:
I wouldn't vote for Obama because and only because he was such good friends with Reverend Not-So-Right. We need a leader that stands for borders, language and culture. If there was a candidate that stood by those three things, I would vote for them hands down, regardless of race, religion, and gender.
You are not racist if you do not vote for Obama.
You are dumb if you believe people that think and say you are.
End of story. "
common sense wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:17 PM:
I have no doubt that many will do their research and choose differently than me. America is a big pie, and everybody sees a difference slice. However, I'm relatively confident that IF everyone does their research, a MAJORITY will end up pulling the lever for McCain/Palin.... "
cab e-girl wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:07 PM:
Raven wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:50 PM:
and voting for hope and change is what happens with every election.... "
Raven wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:51 PM:
cab e-girl wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:21 PM:
common sense wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:40 PM:
-I think Obama needs to be ahead by 7 or 8 points in the polls to win the election. This is based on two things: 1.) The Bradley Effect and 2.) Conservatives, as we found out in the 2004 election, don't do polls. It is worth noting that, when you analyze the actual numbers, some of the polls showing the biggest margins favoring Obama oversampled Democrats and/or minorities. From experience, I don't rely on Gallup for actual numbers...only use it to identify trends. I tend to believe Rasmussen for actual numbers, and it currently shows Obama up by 6. If (assuming I'm correct) Obama needs 7 or 8 to win, that means he is currently 1 or 2 points short. Several factors could skew the numbers toward Obama, though...the youth vote, which is typically not relevant, may come in to play this time. Of course, they thought the same thing with McGovern, too.
But objectivity aside...to answer your question, Raven, yes, I am "hoping" that the trend turns to favor McCain in the near future. I'm somewhat confident it will. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:46 PM:
You might be interested in this quote:
"There is not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America -- there's the United States of America."
Know who said that? "
Paddy wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:08 PM:
diehard4ever wrote on Oct 5, 2008 6:52 AM:
I don't know who said that, but they were definitely right "
Raven wrote on Oct 5, 2008 8:53 AM:
so explain to me then how a man who has been in the senate more than 20 years and supports the current policies of this administration is an agent of change....? "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 5, 2008 9:28 AM:
Ha! Took the bait!
It was Barak Obama. So at least you can admit he's right about something. "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 5, 2008 9:47 AM:
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 5, 2008 10:02 AM:
If it isn't, then why did he feel the need to say that? It makes no sense whatsoever and it sounds like he is trying to inject race into the debate.
To me, race is a non-issue. The primary reason I would never vote for Obama because he is a socialist, and that is not what we need. All this ambiguous malarkey about change is just smoke and mirrors - the only real change we will see is Obama, who is now trying to run as a moderate, will make a sharp left turn if elected. Then it will be socialism marching over our country. Anyone recall what the economy was like in East Germany under socialism? That's what Obama wants for us.
If Obama is elected, people with incomes under $250,000 should be afraid - be very afraid for their jobs, for costs of things they need every day like food. Those making over $250,000 may pay more tax but they will still be able to shop at the upscale markets. They will, however, scale back their plans for business expansion and will close marginally profitable business. The result will be less competition, higher prices, and massive loss of jobs. That's the Obama change without the smoke and mirrors. "
Joe wrote on Oct 5, 2008 11:49 AM:
Joe wrote on Oct 5, 2008 11:51 AM:
common sense wrote on Oct 5, 2008 2:51 PM:
Jimmy Carter took a bad economy and applied liberal big-government principles. Taxes went up. Health care became more tied to the government. The economy got MUCH worse.
Jimmy Carter also had to deal with terrorism and crazy Iranians. He failed completely to deal with them, trying every possible method of communication and negotiation (which is what Obama preaches).
This election will tell us whether we have learned from history. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 5, 2008 3:04 PM:
As for the Wright person – he may be a kook, and may seem to be a scary one to many who don’t understand his motivation. But one sentence from Obama puts that into slightly different perspective: “Community-based institutions, particularly the historically black church, have to help families reinvigorate in young people a reverence for educational achievement, encourage healthier lifestyles, and reenergize traditional social norms surrounding the joys and obligations of fatherhood.” You know what? Sometimes it takes an outrageously bold speaker, willing to say what many are thinking but no one dare say out loud, to reach a community that has lost all faith in its ability to succeed on any terms. There’s much, much more about the “historically black church”, but I won’t bore you with it. I’m sure you have more important things to think about. You know, like the horrors that would result froom reducing the income gap between the rich and the poor. "
steph wrote on Oct 5, 2008 5:01 PM:
How exactly do you propose reducing the income gap between the rich and the poor?
I think that may be the point of contention between conservatives and liberals.
Conservatives are not in favor of income redistribution that is not earned. I don't think you'll find a conservative who is against educating people in order to bring them to the best economic opportunities. I agree that black churches are in a unique position to provide accountability and spiritual hope, and even education. I'm not sure I believe that opportunity is being met. I would love to see, for example, black churches bring in career counselors, impartial/unbiased financial counselors, and revive accountability of fathers. I'd love to believe this is happeing, but I hear that Reverend Wright has built himself a very expensive home in an exclusive mostly-white neighborhood, instead. And my hope drifts out the window.
If Obama can make good on bringing change to education in this country, especially for poor children whose parents are not able to guide them and encourage them to succeed, the country will be in a much better place.
I'm just sort of skeptical of all politicians these days, including the slick purveyor change.
I hope I'm wrong, but America politicians always are indebted and not to the American public. It's a shame. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 5, 2008 9:01 PM:
I tend to be more optimistic when solutions are proposed that I can wrap my mind and values around.
I'm also not sure Wright, like sooooo many other religious leaders, doesn't take just a little advantage of his position. But I tend to think Obama was affiliated with the church for the humanitarian values it espouses, not because he worshipped Wright.
As for that income gap -- fortunately for me and you, I'm not going to be the one who will be making the proposals. But I will be voting for people I trust will give it some serious thought and not discard that old-fashioned concept of fairness. I think you got it right though -- that is one of the major points of contention, if not THE point. "
noblindershere wrote on Oct 5, 2008 9:16 PM:
Sorry but you forgot one, George W Bush.
Hopefully we did learn a little in school about history and don't repeat our mistakes and vote for McSame!
Look back at Germany in the 30's, wow the similarities to the US now and Germany then is scary. Voting for the McSame/Palin ticket would follow down the road of Nazi Germany...lack of choices, more war and growing ignorance among the people due to lack of liberal media coverage.
Obama/Biden is the only way to go in November. "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 5, 2008 10:10 PM:
Raven wrote on Oct 6, 2008 4:56 AM:
I think the point trying to be made is voting for leaders who promised 'hope' is a similar situation "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:01 AM:
Sandra wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:05 AM:
As for baiting Diehard4ever...well Obama says a lot of things that sound wonderful. I prefer to look at his history to make a decision on the man. I am having a really hard time finding much history that reflects the new centrist stance he has taken for the presidential race. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:30 AM:
The similarities are only partly, as Raven stated, severe financial crisis and reduction of civil rights, also unrelenting corporate influence over government. The main similarities have to do with the growing ignorance among the people (as noblinders said) which is opportunistically exploited by those who wish to stay in power, and the replacement of fundamental values of compassion, connectedness, responsibility, fairness, and tolerance with jingoism, flag-waving, promises of prosperity and security, arrogant pride in military conquest, redefinition of "patriot" and dividing the country by whether or not they belong to the master race--that is, they've amassed sufficient money to deserve tax loopholes--or, failing that, whether or not they adhere to the nationalistic rhetoric. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:51 AM:
You may not think Wright's message was effective in motivating, but based on things Obama has written (which I believe to be sincere) and things I've read about the black theology movement, I trust that his motivations were honorable in participating in that church. What he actually saw happening in the church on an ongoing basis I don't know. I have to say a politician's connection with any one church doesn't especially endear them to me, but at least Obama's involvement seems consistent with his faith in the church as a positive community influence. Another leader in black liberation theology puts it this way:
"Black theology teaches self-respect and self-esteem in spite of social and political condescension to and oppression of blacks. Black pastors should put this into action by developing programs and policies to transform the status of the poor. They could do this by sharing historical and biographical stories of black accomplishment. Blacks have to regain the confidence that they can persevere despite modern pandemic manifestations of oppression and injustice. These lessons on determination, freedom and faith can be correlated with biblical stories that express similar virtues." -- James Harris
Wright may not be the most effective purveyor of that mission, but how many people do you think are going to hang his inadequacies on Obama? They'd be fools to do it.
By the way, have you read Audacity of Hope yet? "
Joe wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:33 PM:
Joe wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:37 PM:
Sandra wrote on Oct 6, 2008 2:29 PM:
Raven wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:13 PM:
noblindershere wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:55 PM:
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:13 PM:
These are questions that would and should be asked of any candidate, so why won't Obama open up? He's just asking for more investigation and questions by his stonewalling tactics. His campaign must be very uncomfortable with what might be revealed.
Since I'm diving right in, I might as well add that all these comparisons of present day US with Nazi Germany are just so ridiculous and stretched. It shows the extent of how low the Bush hate crowd will go. As a country we have been sliding down the slippery slope of socialism but this stuff is just so out there.
The line begins on the left (pun intended) for your very own flamingo pincushion doll. "
Raven wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:31 PM:
this is another example of the desperation McCain supporters, they don't have any positives about their candidates as they see the election slipping in the other direction...so they try their own version of smoke and mirrors to try and distract the electorate...it wont work "
Raven wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:34 PM:
luv1mom wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:32 AM:
Obama ON PURPOSE doesn't comment on his ethnicity because it is NOT a factor. He is an AMERICAN. The economy, the wars, healthcare, and where our nation is going ARE the factors that matter. "
rage against wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:40 AM:
And no matter who is president, people who make under $250,000, and over $35,000 will still be able to pay for groceries and get by as long as they stick to a somewhat responsible budget. Giving the struggling folks free health care will grant them so much extra income that they would have had to pay originally, that even if you raise taxes, they still walk away with more. And guess what? The rich (over $250,000) will still be rich, even if we raise their taxes. Which is what we are gonig to do. "
Hear Ye wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:40 AM:
As far as the Nazi comparisons it seems that you are overlooking the Obama hitler comparisons. It seems "Common Sense" got things started a few posts up.
These latest smear attacks are the Republicans falling back on their usual tactics now that they are in a state of desperation.
Lastly, here is a quote from McCain himself:
"Uh, I, I just have to rely on the good judgment of the voters not to buy into these negative attack ads. Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it." [The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, 2/21/2000] "
noblindershere wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:46 PM:
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:02 PM:
You know, some people say Obama's scary. Wow. I'm suddenly compelled to repeat an old chant we learned as children: Palin, Palin I've been thinking; what on earth have you been drinking?" More to the point, what are these people who are supposedly rational Americans thinking?
It's all about the win, at any cost, even if that means stirring up the worst form of enmity in followers, creating an atmosphere of manufactured outrage toward the innocent. Raven's right -- McCain's history reveals a man bereft of any qualities of character I would hope to see in a president. And just to prove his lack of character and his pathetic desperation to try anything to win, he has sent Palin out to incite the worst form of ugliness in her crowds.
Scandalous, and shameful. "
Sandra wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:35 AM:
I have researched the whole Ayers/committess connection, and did not like what I found. He has done questionable things that are politically advantageous to him and others in his circle. All of these actions politically advanced him. His past actions are not actions of a man of principal, but are actions of a man wanting to climb that ladder. Much of what he says now, is not what he was saying before he was running for President.
This type of behavior is very chameleon like. I am concerned about Obama because I do not have a clear picture of who this man is based on his actions. I only know that what he TELLS me does not seem to reflect who he was two, four, or eight years ago. I am not willing to believe him on faith alone. His WORDS sound great. People lie all the time.
PPF is correct to wonder about "his [Obama's] college thesis or anything about his associates and what he did at Columbia and Harvard? What was his real relationship with Saul Alinsky in Chicago?" There is a whole lot to wonder about concerning Obama. "
Sandra wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:46 AM:
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:40 AM:
Obama's, a book I read and feel good about. A book that reveals well-considered compassion and judgment.
McCain's, a book that leaves me wondering, "how did this unscrupulous yahoo get this far?" But then I know how he did -- connections. And that's it. Okay, add determination. Blind.
Along with Obama on the committee he worked on with Ayers were republicans and independents. No one has ever questioned anyone before for their associations with Ayers. And Ayers has not been a "terrorist" for decades. He is a professor who works toward benefitting his community. But hey, Mc/Palin, if you can misdirect the voting public with a smelly red herring that distracts from the real issues (and your own insincerity) because it's the only way you think you can win, have at it.
It was very sad to see Obama break from his church of 20 years which clearly had some meaning in his life. It was the one thing I saw him do that made me cringe. But the fact is, had he stayed, his church would have been destroyed, along with him, by those intent on ruthlessly engaging in his massacre.
Pretty scary stuff; too many people can't tell Wright from wrong. In so many senses. "
dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:46 AM:
I had heard, a few years ago, some of the info put forth in the video -- like Prescott Bush's connection with Nazi Germany and the bank's part in the growth of Nazi power. "
Paddy wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:56 AM:
I can imagine the uproar, the outrage, the rioting if this had been McCains pastor condemning Jews, blacks or anyone else for that matter. But somehow, these same people are now justifying the hate and inhumanity preached by rev. Wright to what his defenders are calling a flock needing to be influenced for a better future.
This is the Obamanation we face. "
Bill wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:59 PM:
Among all the faslehoods and obvious lies about Mr. Obama one just has to be deflated as patently false and attempting to lay a false trail of reason.
Saul Alinsky was a great union organizer and along with Lewis and Reuther brought much needed change to America.
However to link him directly to Mr. Obama is pure ridiculous deceit. Mr. Alinsky died in 1972 when Mr. Obama Was years perhaps 10 or 11 years old.
This illustrates the lengths some posters will go to in order to defame a candidate or impress themselves with their self righteousness.
So much for research and reasoned opinion in the blogosphere. "
Raven wrote on Oct 8, 2008 6:58 PM:
so, anyone want to explain McCain tax policy to me? "
bettye wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:07 PM:
Paddy wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:36 AM:
bettye wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:50 AM:
bettye wrote on Oct 9, 2008 2:31 PM:
Hear Ye wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:59 PM:
luv2surf wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:43 PM:
misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:05 AM:
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:39 PM:
luv1mom wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:50 PM:
Raven wrote on Oct 10, 2008 3:02 PM:
misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:25 PM:
Raven wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:51 PM:
bigj wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:42 PM:
He'll even tax us to pay for the shovels (made in china- since all the american manufacturers had to leave the US).
Lets tax the heck out of self-reliant american people who work hard for their money and give it to people that look to big brother for all their problems. "
Raven wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:11 AM:
ADark1 wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:45 PM:
Why is it Minorities who have obviously suffered the most under racism have no validity when protesting it?
Why is it Obama is and has been under a microscope that not even McCain has suffered?
Why is it, minorities have to be A+ to get a C grade? but yet Whites can be at the bottom of their class and be hailed as the BEST thing for America?
Am I getting through? "
Paddy wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:25 PM:
Minorities tend to be able to get away with calling whites a lot of things on comedy shows, television and movies but for a white to do the same would risk the health and welfare of the perpetrator and anyone who so foolishly thought it funny. I've been racially attacked multiple times just because I'm white without provocation on my part at all.
As an Irishman we suffered greatly before during and after the Civil War but we've gotten over it. It's been over 40 years since quota's have been established making white males the least desirable, and hardest to employee, soley because we're male and white.
Get off the pitty pot, please! Join mainstream America if you dare and bring along anyone and everyone who believes that nothing's their fault and they're owed for injustices that are foreign to my generation and my children's generation. It only prolongues the animosity. "
Raven wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:27 AM:
show me an industry that actually has a quota today... "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:19 PM:
Obama's plan will produce even less revenue as business close and people lose their jobs. His tax policy is designed to get votes from people who put ideology (redistribution of wealth) first, not real world economics.
NObama - keep the change. "
Raven wrote on Oct 14, 2008 5:56 PM:
but if you want to talk tax increases, let's talk taxing employee health benefits for the first time.... "
Bauhausfan wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:29 PM:
Here's a few things for you to ponder:
Imagine if Obama had an affair while still married to his first wife? Imagine if he had a teenage daughter who was unwed and pregnant? Imagine if he had graduated a few spots from the bottom of his class of over 800 at Annapolis? Imagine he was involved in the savings and loan scandal?
See, if Obama had done even a few things McCain had he wouldn't have even been able to run for President. "
Bauhausfan wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:43 PM:
And no, just because you won't vote for Obama doesn't mean your racist. The point of the letter was some people are NOT going to vote for him just because he is black. That is racism, pure and simple.
How hard is that to figure out?
Most people have a hard time looking at themselves as they really are, with all their prejudices and fears exposed, and admitting to themselves that they have racist, sexist and homophobic thoughts and tendencies in them. As seen from comments on this site, it's about time some people did just that. "
cab e-girl wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:27 PM:
Raven wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:02 AM:
Raven wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:02 PM:
It is full of violently t anti-Barack Obama rhetoric - such as "Waterboard Barack Obama" - and images linking the Democratic presidential candidate to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden appeared this week on the official Web site of the Sacramento County Republican Party, the latest in a series of increasingly graphic attacks nationwide on the Illinois senator that seek to cast him as a terrorist sympathizer.
California Republican Party officials asked Sacramento party leaders to remove the offensive material, including an image of Obama in a turban next to bin Laden near the caption: "The difference between Osama and Obama is just a little B.S." It was removed only at the request of the state GOP. But now the site has this headline: "This Election is Really a Referendum on the Stupidity of the American Voters." including statements such as "Imagine how much garbage there must be on the Marxist messiah, Barack Obama, that even his lovers, the mainstream media, can't hide it all."
way to run a positive campaign, McCain "
PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 17, 2008 1:57 PM:
So where is race in any of the above?
raven - Obama IS a socialist. His views are socialist views.
And what about those who will vote for Obama because he is black?
I do agree that the Sacramento GOP was way out of line, however, please provide factual evidence and not innuendo that McCain or his campaign had anything to do with it. If you don't, then your linking McCain to that website is wrong. "
Raven wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:47 PM:
as for the GOP, since McCain his the candidate for President for the GOP, he is the defacto head of the party....that is the connection... after all it was the official web site of the Sacramento GOP... but the attitudes fostered by McCain and his handpicked pit bull Palin have led to the atmosphere where this is considered okay. "