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AmCanResident wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:48 PM:
LMW wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:57 PM:
kbf wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:35 PM:
jtfs wrote on Sep 20, 2008 6:13 PM:
Delphi wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:51 PM:
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:54 PM:
You are entitled to your opinion but I happen to believe that you cannot hold managers solely responsible when their employees present these phony degrees. I visited the Alameda College site. They have an accreditation link and on the surface, they appear legitimage.
My nephew obtained a degree from this institute after arriving home from Iraq. He relocated back East and used this "phony degree" to obtain a job in a bank, although I think that he genuinely believed that his degree was legitimate. Basically, he was ripped off. In this respect, both the employer and the employee become victims.
I think we should address the issue of the "phony degree" industry. That's important. But Blaming Caldwell? Unless you can prove beyond a doubt that he knew that Alameda College was a phony operation AT THE TIME that his employees were given a raise, you cannot hold him any more guilty than any other employer who becomes victim to this scam. Most likely, Caldwell is a victim and quite possibly the employees who fell for this type of deception were too.
Anyone who is interested should go view the Alameda College website. Compare it to any other college such as Healds, Phoenix, or Empire and tell me how you can tell what the difference is!
Additionally, take a look at WHO is supporting each candidate. Do we really need to strengthen the "good old boys" network? "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 21, 2008 2:02 PM:
Phony degrees impress many in the private sector who rarely pick up the phone to verify the credentials. "It's amazing how little checking is done," Bear says. "They're clueless."
Bear surveyed personnel managers on which schools impressed them. "We gave a list of 10 schools, five of them fake, and asked which ones they were likely to accept. Columbia State came out better than the accredited schools."
Even the accreditation process is suspect. Bear says the World Association of Universities and Colleges in Henderson accredits diploma mills. "It's just a mail drop," he says. "That has misled more people than anything else." Maxine Asher, who reportedly operates the Henderson business, did not return phone calls.
"They're ruining it for good schools," says, Bear, who believes diploma mills place a pall on legitimate distance learning institutions.
UNLV spokesman Tom Flagg concurs. He says UNLV provides bona fide distance learning classes, which are accredited, but the perception of abuse in the industry hurts everyone. "They make us look bad," he says.
Employers may not be the only victims of diploma mills. The students themselves may be deceived into thinking the colleges are legitimate. Sally St. John, a longtime drug counselor and local television personality, says she was lured into getting her doctorate in psychology from LaSalle..... "
Delphi wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:46 PM:
You are so desperate to find a Supervisor that will (maybe) vote against the Triad project that you are here posting up witout knowing what is what or what really happened at the Amcan Fire Department. No one who knows an Amcan Fireman or any Fireman for that matter belives Calwell din't know axactly what these diplomas are. Your uninformed excuses will not help those in District 5 elect an ethical candidate. Caldwell must withdraw. "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:31 PM:
And yes, I want a supervisor to be elected who will be cautious about growth. I'm not trying to hide that fact. Caldwell seems more concerned about growth and environmental issues than other candidates.
Regarding the Almeda or Alameda diploma mill, my nephew finished a BA degree in less than six months and it sounded like "Alameda" to me. Ok so it's called Almeda. Same thing. He was a security officer in Iraq and was considering going into "search and rescue" when he returned. I wonder if this particular college targets firemen, policemen etc? A lot of these guys may not be suited for intense academic studies, general education etc. I'm just wondering whether a pay raise should be dependent on a college degree? I'd rather be rescued by a fireman who has gained certification which is relevant to his field than have one who has gained a general ed degree, even a legitimate one. "
vocal-de-local wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:45 PM:
Wouldn't you rather have Caldwell focusing his expertise on firefighting issues rather than trying to figure out whether a college is "approved" when it's stated by upper level management that it is? If this is the only thing you have on Caldwell, it's not enough.
Those who want a level of controlled growth in Napa should vote Caldwell. His opponent is pro development. That's what I'm focusing on.
And if you want to make diploma mills an issue, you really should be questioning the relationship of a BA degree to a pay raise, in general. If upper level management has a policy indicating that this is the norm, you cannot blame lower levels of management for incorporating it into their practices.
Also, it's quite sickening for opposition to latch on to the diploma mill issue. The only reason it has become a topic at all is because the opposition doesn't want anyone to highlight subjects which will expose weakness. "