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Friday, August 15, 2008
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By MARSHA DORGAN
Register Staff Writer
Former Napa dentist Michael Posey’s attempt to have his murder conviction overturned has gained momentum.

On Thursday Napa County Superior Court Judge Stephen Kroyer ordered the Napa County District Attorney’s Office to give Posey’s lawyers personnel records for retired chief investigator Ed Knutsen. Knutsen was a chief investigator and a key witness at the 2006 trial.
As Posey appealed the conviction, the state Attorney General’s office stated that an unspecified personnel matter relating to Knutsen — who retired December 2007 — might be relevant to Knutsen’s credibility.

After San Francisco attorney Dennis Riordan began the process of appealing Posey’s October 2006 conviction, he received a letter from California Deputy Attorney General Aileen Bunney.
The letter stated a personnel matter unrelated to the trial but “relating to Knutsen has come to our attention ... An argument could be made that the matter is relevant to investigator Knutsen’s credibility.”

Bunney’s letter noted that the Napa County District Attorney’s Office did not learn about the matter until long after Posey was sentenced.
Since personnel records are confidential, Riordan filed a motion with the Napa County courts to have the district attorney turn over the pertinent personnel records for Knutsen.

Kroyer ruled in Riordan’s favor and ordered the personnel records be released.

“If the credibility of investigator Knutsen is an issue to impeach Mr. Knutsen, the (Posey) defense is entitled to see them,” Kroyer said.

However, he delayed the release for one week to give the district attorney time to decide whether to appeal his decision.

Kroyer also issued a protective order sealing Knutsen’s personnel records and prohibiting them from being made available to the public.

In an e-mail, Napa County Chief Deputy District Attorney John Goold noted the judge told the parties not to discuss the facts underlying Riordan’s request.

“It would be pure speculation to guess how this may relate to his (Posey) appeal,” he wrote. “We remain confident Dr. Posey received a fair trial and his conviction will be upheld.”

Knutsen was on the case from its origins in 1996 to Posey’s conviction in 2006.

Knutsen was the lead investigator for the Napa Police Department when Elizabeth Posey, 27, died of a gunshot wound in her Maplewood Avenue home in April 1996. After leaving the Napa PD to work for the district attorney’s office, Knutsen continued to pursue the case, resulting in the discovery of new forensic evidence leading to Michael Posey’s arrest and conviction a decade later.

On Oct. 26, 2006, a jury convicted Posey, 56, of first-degree murder in the shooting death of his estranged wife. He was sentenced to 29 years to life in prison.
70 comment(s)

kittyamma wrote on Aug 14, 2008 4:38 PM:

" good for mike, he is a good dad, i hope mike and the boys can be a family again soon. "

sometimesnaparesident wrote on Aug 14, 2008 5:35 PM:

" Yes! Finally some good news for Dr. Posey, no need to worry Goold and everyone at the DA... if there is a problem w/ credibility Riordan will find a way to make it relevant to Posey. "

14obama wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:17 PM:

" ??????????????????? "

sammy wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:17 PM:

" If anyone can find the truth, it'll be Riordan. He's a good man. Mike is very fortunate to have him.

I remember seeing Dennis Riordan and speaking with him when Mike hired him and we were all greatly encouraged.

This is all just so disturbing to our family, the whole thing.

To J and T,..... hugs from your old friends. C. and S. and L. and M. and Me :) "

SouthNapa wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:40 PM:

" Hopefully this convicted murderer never sees the light of day. I'm sorry, but just because he was a friendly dentist doesn't mean he was incapable of this crime. He was convicted by a jury of his peers and hopefully his appeals are unsuccesful and he rots in prison the rest of his days. Elizabeth deserves justice, and I am glad that Posey is in prison where he belongs. "

Winewoman wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:48 PM:

" Uh, y'all are kidding, right? Dude killed his wife... "

kbf wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:51 PM:

" Seems to me Posey was convicited on evidence not the investigators personnel file. Posey mught have been a good dad but a lousey husband. I do hope if nothing is found that all the people who think he is not guilty will put it to rest. Being a good dad dosen't make you not quilty of murder. "

savenapa wrote on Aug 14, 2008 7:22 PM:

" Some time before he murdered her the court mandated that he attend angry man classes. Did you all know that?

Doesnt it strike you a bit odd that during a struggle she just happened to get a bullet through the head? ummk I guess it is just rotten luck. "

napanative-momnwife wrote on Aug 14, 2008 7:37 PM:

" Wow! He sooo was not a good dentist! He blew his temper while working on my teeth....messed up on a filling and then proceeded to say it was my fault that he had to drill it out and start all over! Then, at the same appt. he forgot to pull my wisdom teeth and when I gently asked him about it (I was terrified)...he grew even angrier and came at me and attempted to yank one of them out when my wearing off anaesthetic! After I cried out in pain- he got even more upset! It took me 10+ years to ever go back to another dentist ever again!

Have ya'll seen how he treated his staff? Not only have I seen the abuse he put his staff through.....but I've been told about horrible accounts of his light-switch temper from first hand sufferers!

He's SOOOOOOOOOOOO Guilty! Can't wait for the new evidence to BURY him deeper!

You never know what has gone on behind the closed doors of their home! "Its better to FROM a broken home than raised in one!" Bless those boys! "

MarkMiwords wrote on Aug 14, 2008 8:51 PM:

" Isn't assassinating the character of the cop (or in this case, the investigator) the classic "defense" when there is no real defense? Worked great for O.J. Simpson! "

db76 wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:23 PM:

" 80% of married women who are murdered are killed by their husbands. With those types of odds, if there was some way to bet on it, you could become a rich person. "

jmo wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:43 PM:

" Think Scott Peterson...charming but deadly. "

Paddy wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:50 PM:

" A murderer AND and bad dentist. I can't imagine a more perfect fit in San Quentin. Let him work on the teeth of all the inmates for $.50 an hour. What a coup for taxpayers! "

unveilingtheulterior wrote on Aug 15, 2008 4:24 AM:

" "personnel matter unrelated to the trial". I object! Irrelevant! the lack of a relation of something to the matter at hand .

"An argument could be made that the matter is relevant to investigator Knutsen’s credibility”. Show me a lawyer that can not make argument, and I will show you a public defender.

He is a good father? I would not let him watch my kids, would you?

Waste of the courts time and tax payers money. Please take no offense to my view on this Matter , after all Its just my opinion "

MarkMathews wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:47 AM:

" Every conviceted murderer is innocent; here we go again... The only thing I get out of this article is the story of yet ANOTHER felon, convicted by a jury of his peers who refuses to wear the well earned brand of a person who really DID do the crime. Yea, sure, everyone in prison is innocent, aren't they? Keep him locked up, and lets all move on... "

marine1/1 wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:11 AM:

" This is a waste of tax payers money.I worked in law enforcement at the time of this murder and remember alot of the details of the case.People say he was a good dad, good dad's don't kill !!Because of his anger, the kids don't have any parents. This guy was taking the greedy way out of a divorce case. Now his lawyers are off on a wild goose chase for technicalities. Ed Knutsen was a good cop and dedicated to serving justice to the Napa community for over thirty years. The time this will take in the DA's office could be spent working on active cases not on a wild goose chase. This man KILLED his wife, ruined his family, was convicted by a JURY, and will hopefully never get out prision in his life time. "

HuDuVuDu wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:21 AM:

" My wife use to live across the street from them, and babysit their kids. She use to see them fight, and she heard the gun shots, at 3-4AM not at the time Posey said the shots happend.

Let him burn. "

Grits wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:28 AM:

" "The letter stated a personnel matter unrelated to the trial but “relating to Knutsen has come to our attention ... An argument could be made that the matter is relevant to investigator Knutsen’s credibility.”

"Unrelated to the trial...an argument could be made...."

Of course ANY argument can be made! The murderer was allowed to walk the street for 10 years, and got his due process, finally!

I could argue with a stop sign, but that won't change anything! "

NapaNana wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:00 AM:

" He should have tried the "I'm really really sorry" sob sob .............it seems to work for just about everyone else that has been tried for "accidently" killing someone.
He thought he got away with "MURDER" for too long. Nothing Man can do is suitable (bad enough) punishment for this horrible person. There can never be enough justice for
Elizabeth and her family.....those sweet boys......have to live their lives knowing their father murdered their mother.......over PRIDE and MONEY!
Rot Posey! "

getoverit wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:17 AM:

" I was very happy to see him get convicted.

I also witnessed his temper first hand. My son was a patient and had a deep cavity he was in pain Dr Posey proceeded to yell at him while he was in the chair getting drilled and then when I came in the room he irrupted.

I never let him touch my son or anyone in my family again. This was before I even knew he was suspected of killing his wife. I just felt he was violent and a little of kilter.

I had never had any kind of doctor show any temper before needless to say it shocked and scared us.

Based on his actions I hope he rots in prison and has to have a filling at some point. I imagine the prison dentist doesn't have a nice chair side manor either. "

steph wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:13 AM:

" What a waste of taxpayer dollars. The man had his day in court. "

sammy wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 AM:

" I totally understand everyone's feelings on this matter. I knew Mike for about 3 yrs , and of course his boys touched my heart more than ever. I guess my wish is that they find that Mike is not guilty in the end. I was at the trial most days, wanting to hear the evidence myself to base my own opinion. And I do admit I walked out more puzzled with the forensic evidence as well as I think the jury did as well. They admitted that it wasn't that evidence that was the nail in the coffin so to speak.

I want him found not guilty for the sake of his boys. It's purely selfish on my part and I realize that. I was with the boys when they were told the verdict and my heart wept for them.

Now with that being said,I often looked at Mike as one of the nuttiest, quick to anger men I've ever seen. Based on his personality alone I would have convicted him, but the evidence didn't stack up for me to give me clear and convincing evidence that he was guilty of this crime. I am not defending Mike, I have a heart for those 2 little boys. I know Liz had 4 boys, and of course my heart goes out to them but J and T were around me so I got to know them. "

sammy wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Just a fyi, I rented a large home from Mike, that is how I got to know him. I was treated very unjustly and unfairly when I got my eviction notice the morning after Thanksgiving. So while I do not trust him, I love those boys. And yes, I was asked to move at Christmas, so I know how heartless he can be, I experienced it, and he broke my kids hearts. "

napgrl55 wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:25 AM:

" This is ridiculous. I have been Ed Knutsen's daughter's best friend for over 15 years and I know that nothing in his personal life would have anything remotely close to do with this trial. Ed Knutsen was one of the most hard working and dedicated people who has ever worked for this community, and to say that somehow his personal life which is unrelated to the trial could have made one difference in how he investigated this case is absolutely absurd. It would be devastating to the justice system if somehow this issue comes into play. This guy was convicted by his peers based out of the evidence, not Knutsen's personal life. "

Grits wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:41 AM:

" napgrl55, my son went to elementary school with Ed's kids, and I got to know him and his family through our parent teacher group, and your observations are the same as mine. He has always been a dedicated professional, he was the job, so to speak, in his commitment to serving this community. Whatever personal situation he has had to go through, he would never have allowed anything to interfere with a professional investigation. Posey wants to be free (again!) and is willing to try to slander a good man to do it. A killer will do anything! "

injoy wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:42 AM:

" He put a bullet in his wife' head..COME ON PEOPLE! "

mofosheee wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:45 AM:

" napgrl55.... you failed to understand the article.

suggest that you refer to the definiton of "personnel" and "personal" in a dictionary

We support Ed and truly wish that he prevails. "

Dwayne wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:40 AM:

" Thanks, sammy.....

There's a lot of insight in your post that most people would not be aware of.

Very comprehensive... Thanks...... "

kbf wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:14 PM:

" I still don't see what could be in a persons personnel file that would make Posey not guilty. We was also my dentist and he did have a temper, so if he showed his temper with patients that was paying him I can just imagine what he must have been like at home. "

longtimenapan wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:29 PM:

" I too had a bad encounter at his dentist office with myself and my son. He first kept my son waiting (who was only 5 years old) and then yelled at him because he was scared of the needle, he then stomped out of there saying I needed to take him elsewhere he would not work on him. With myself, he was putting on a crown, it broke and he started cussing in front of me. I have never been back to him or his dentistry office sense. he is a very rotten person. His staff were very apologetic to me and my son, while he hid in his office. "

sometimesnaparesident wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:29 PM:

" This is such a typical Napa discussion, everyone becoming enraged on something they know nothing about. I cannot begin to understand how most topics affect you people so quick to argue (Napa fair anyone?), obviously Mike isn't the only one that needs "angry man classes" - I think you meant anger management.
And so everyone knows, the Napa court was ORDERED by the state's attorney general to be hear this issue immediately. If someone wants to complain about tax-paying money maybe your time will be better spent writing your congressman instead of reverting to small-town gossip. "

napanmomof3 wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:42 PM:

" I am surprised that there are still so many people who think they know he was guilty. I knew Mike for many years and even though he is quite odd I do not think he was guilty of this crime. I attended the trial most days for my own information. Many comments posted are not correct. Liz was at her lawyers the morning of the incident so there is no way the gunshot went off at 3am, like someone said. The evidence did not add up to a guilty verdit. However the way his character was assassinated if I did not know him, I would't have liked him and possibly I would have voted against him. If there was a problem with the trial and Dennis Riordan finds it those that think he's guilty need to blame the DA's office. My wish is that all the boys can lead as normal lives as possible. If there is a different truth let it be shown. "

sammy wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:36 PM:

" very well said napanmomof3 "

catsvet44 wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:51 PM:

" liz was a friend of mine. My daughters babysat for the 4 boys and we carpooled. I hope he rots in hell! He was/is mean and I feel sorry for mike, cody, jeffrey, thomas. They should know their mother was ALWAYS caring for them, she was involved in T ball Vichy school fundraisers, their birthday parties. He was always arrogant, rude, offensive and beligerent. My daughters still have things Liz sewed for them when they were little. Thank God they reopened the caseand found out the truth. I am a taxpayer and I am sick of wasting any more money on this lying scum dirt-bag. To napamomof 3 the truth has already been revealed after he tried for years to cover it up. Enough is enough!! Let Liz rest in peace!! Let the boys get on with their lives and hopefully have warm wonderful memories of their mom. If they can't remember, I have plenty on tape they can look at. (All without their dad coincidently, he was never around, except to collect money from Liz for the 2 sons that werent "his"--she paid him rent, she had to pay for the oldest 2 boys food, and half the PG&E and water and all the rest. And this from a "so-called" well to do dentist!! What a sham and con artist!! I think you are PURE EVIL MIKE POSEY!!Youre poor parents!! "

biLly wrote on Aug 15, 2008 4:25 PM:

" keep on going to court until you get a verdict that you like..is that the way it works. The guy was found GUILTY !!!
Good ol' Napa DA at it again wasting time, money and resources on BS cases like this...you have got to be kidding. Lieberstein is not getting my vote the DA's office here has their priorities all messed up. People in this community should really be upset. "

Winewoman wrote on Aug 15, 2008 5:04 PM:

" So what do we do as a community? Does not voting for Lieberstein send the message? If it does, I'll do it. 'sometimesnaparesident' does have a point (although I think the ranting insults were not necessary) - we need to take action and do something instead of just talking about it. Hey, we did play a part in getting our little tagger girls confession (my opinion, don't hate). Suggestions? "

savenapa wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:37 PM:

" If the term angry man classes offended your intellect then please accept my apology. Correction,- Mr. Posey was mandated by the court to attend "anger management" classes put on by Marin based group "Man Alive".

I have a friend that worked in his office after the incident as well. She has told of similar stories such as those in this blog.

I certainly find it offensive when bloggers spout off when they are absolutely ignorant in the discussion. We all see that and i suppose that will never cease.

I agree that simply talking about things is usually not enough to make an impact. However, without discussion nothing happens. Awareness is the prerequisite to action and If we can impress a point or bring to light something that is cloaked then exposition is a huge matter. Please don’t underestimate the value of this venue or our collective voice. "

Winewoman wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:53 PM:

" Agreed. I don't think anyone - not even 'sometimesnaparesident' (it kills me to even think I'm defending your words, sometimesnaparesident) - discounted the value of this venue or our collective voice. I see people here sharing their experiences, including an overwhelming feeling of disgust at the thought of the DA sullying the reputation of a fine investigator and wasting taxpayer money defending a murderer who almost got away. I still want to know - what to we do? "

doxyluvr wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:12 PM:

" What does Knutsens crediabilty have to do with putting Posey in jail? Knutsen did his job, provided evidence for the jurors and he is found guilty. Posey did it and should go to hell for what he did. "

dowhatsright wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:52 PM:

" Even If He Did Do It By Accident,He should Be In Prison,for a long time. He should do "Life" Anybody that kills a loved one, by a "FIRED SHOT TO THE HEAD" Is Eighther "Stupid, Mad,Or A Killer" Posey, "face Your Maker"
"YOU NEED "CHRIST IN YOUR LIFE"
ROMANS CHAP10/vs.9-10.
Dont Fail "Posey" You have failed allready. REPENT!!!!!!
rg "

Injoy wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:28 PM:

" He Put A Bullet in the head of his children's mother.

He was tried and found guilty by a jury of his peers.

He needs to rot in prison forever. "

lost1 wrote on Aug 16, 2008 11:21 PM:

" catsvet44 I could not say or agree more. There are 2 boys that do need things to remember the great things there mom did and who she was. I pesonally think he is so selfish, and alot more that I am not allowed to write. Let liz be in peace and justice remain in place, because thats where he belong right where he is in chains "

97526 wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:28 AM:

" This is not about Posey's guilt or innocense it is about whether the investigator falsified documents in another unrelated matter and if he did so one time how many other documents could he have possibly altered. "

doxyluvr wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:31 AM:

" LEAVE KNUTSEN ALONE!!!!!! HE IS MY FATHER AND A GOOD INVESTGATOR. POSEY SHOT HIS WIFE. "

savenapa wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:45 AM:

" 97526:

How do you know the credibility question from another case has to do with falsification of documents? I understand that whatever the matter, it is not public record. So either you have no idea what you are talking about, or you have leaked what is closed to the public. "Kroyer also issued a protective order sealing Knutsen’s personnel records and prohibiting them from being made available to the public." Either way you are out of line. if somehow I missed something here please correct me. "

savenapa wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:57 AM:

" Is falsification of documents the only thing that might cause his credibility to be questioned? "

MarkMathews wrote on Aug 18, 2008 5:20 AM:

" sometimesnaparesident, why write our congressman? He's too busy cosying up to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, wicked witch of D.C... and water girl for Saint Obama; he has no time for such small time and mundane matters as this... "

lost1 wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Were all of you at the same trial as I? Did you not see the pictures, and some evidence that went with it. This is not about Ed Knutson it is about facts, and most of you who say you know; quite frankly you do not. I unfortunatly cannot share those details. There were more than 1 investigater working not just Ed. My love goes towards the four boys, and may god guide them through this every time this comes up. "

lost1 wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:02 PM:

" I just want to say that Ed was not the only investigater, and it gets crazy that people keep qustioning his merit, you do / did not know him. I do not know him however; I have spoken with him. Please do not say you walked out confused, they showed things that were heart wrenching. I love those boys and yes I knew all 4 they are special and still in pain at the loss of thier mom at least the ones that remember her. Remember the big question how would you feel/ react if it happened to your mom. Think long and hard before answering that question. I know alot of you will say but it wasn't or my dad would never, but thiers did. "

sammy wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:06 PM:

" In response to lost1, I do recall the heart wrenching pictures, unfortunately they now are a part of who I am. And indeed I have an opinion on the whole matter. However, with that being said, the couple of forensic experts that testified, along with whether or not the gun jammed or not, was all confusing, I could see both sides. The photographs were haunting as you know. I suppose it would be safe to say that a first degree murder conviction wasn't fair. In my own humble knowledge of the law and what was said in the testimony, it allured to the fact that it was a thought out planned ahead murder. I believe that Mike is ADHD and would likely be a person who acted impulsively as opposed to pre-meditating this crime. In which case the sentence would have been less.

Once again, I know my "wishes" aren't realistic, because 4 children loss their Mama to a violent shooting. I wish like crazy that it was accidental and that the boys would at least have their Dad, but ultimately I wish it had never happened. Just a silly old woman I am, but I did see the heart ache in all the eyes of Liz's children and family and I'm so so sad for them. "

Winewoman wrote on Aug 18, 2008 6:13 PM:

" Sammy, you're not a silly old woman - you're a kind and compassionate woman - one can see that just in your words. (We need to pay attention and learn from experienced folks like you). It sounds - from other posts - that there are some loving and caring people in these childrens lives. I hope that gives you some comfort. "

lost1 wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:23 PM:

" I Have to agree with Winwoman, you are not a silly old woman, it does seem you have alot of heart. Everyone here has an opinion and thats ok, sometimes we just disagree and that is what makes us who we are. This person who seems to have some knowledge of Ed, I think someone should report you to Justice "Kroyer"... "

sammy wrote on Aug 19, 2008 2:35 PM:

" Thank you Wine and lost1, I appreciate your kindness. I was expecting to get slammed, which could still come I suppose :) "

97526 wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:29 PM:

" "savenapa"
I did not say it was from another "case". I stated it was an "unrelated matter". I did not leak anything. I just happen to know more than you but not as much as the AG. I do not feel I am out of line and you stand corrected. So before you start a war of words perhaps you should wait and see what the AG has to say. "

injoy wrote on Aug 20, 2008 9:06 AM:

" Becareful...sounds like you know too much. "

LIZMOM wrote on Aug 20, 2008 2:05 PM:

" IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DESCRIBE THE EFFECT THIS CRIME HAS HAD ON MY FAMILY,AND WILL ALWAYS. WE HAVE ALL BEEN DEALT A LIFE SENTENCE BY MIKE POSEY. WHICH I BELIEVE WAS WITH MALICE AND AFORTHOUGHT....MAYBE I COULD LIKEN IT TO AN EMOTIONALLY DEVASTATING CANCER,THE CHEMO WE NEED BEING LIZ. WOULD THE BOYS REALLY BE IN BETTER HANDS IF THEIR SIRE (DAD?) WAS RAISING THEM? I THINK NOT,AND PRAY THEY ESCAPE HIS NEGATIVE INFLUENCE,AND ARE WELL NURTURED BY THEIR AUNT,WHO HAS INSIGHT INTO POSEYS MIND AND UPBRINGING THAT MIGHT SHOCK AND SURPRISE SOME OF YOU WERE THE FACTS TO BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT, I.E.HOW HE VALUES WOMEN AND WHAT EXAMPLES HIS FATHER SET FOR HIM. TWELVE YEARS LATER THERE IS STILL AN UNCOMFORTABLE VOID IN THE CENTER OF ME, STILL DISBELIEF THAT THIS HORROR IS REAL AND GOD WHY DONT I WAKE UP FROM THIS AWFUL DREAM. HIS CONVICTION WILL STAND....THE VERDICT WILL NOT BE OVERTURNED.... THE EVIDENCE TELLS IT ALL. JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED. "

sammy wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:36 AM:

" And the Mama of Liz has the last word, I remember seeing you and the pain, and my heart broke for you. .

And you are correct in that the boys have an incredible Aunt, they have several Aunties that are wonderful women.

Stay Strong "

lost1 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:32 PM:

" They also have 2 brothers, with good parents . 2 brothers that have not seen one another in years! They are lucky with 2 loving parents, although brothers that they do not see thier younger brothers. "

sammy wrote on Aug 22, 2008 9:39 PM:

" I know they have 2 loving parents, I saw the step mom..... and it was completely obvious her love for the boys, and I admired her greatly. I hope one day that the younger boys can meet their brothers and their parents. They would benefit greatly from seeing the healthy relationship that this Mama has with the boys.

I will never understand nor can I agree how siblings can be separated when the goodness is so evident. "

LIZMOM wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:14 PM:

" lizmom, kindly recall, when posey was finally arrested he was found in posession of a loaded assault weapon,aka machine gun. try to considder why a father that had had a terrible trajedy occur in his home involving a firearm would find it necessary,or intelligent to arm himself in such a way. wouldnt most of us have aquired an aversion to fireearms enough to extinguish the pleasure we may have had in using weapons for simple target practice. even now, when i here someone toss out jokingly im gonna kill you, it cuts to the quick. if some selfish jerk actually kills your child, or someone you love and care about, it takes on a new and cruel meaning. its not cute and its not funny. i have sooo much to say concerning this miserable mess that i would have to have my diaries to be accurate. elizabeth, my amazing, loving beautiful,devoted mom and daughter,sister and friend,,had diaries of her own, which i have requested, but have never been provided with. also, i have requested phone and address info for jeffrey and tommy from d.a. and siblings parents , however that info is somehow out of reach each time requested. i can understand trying to protect the boys from anyone wanting to exploit their sorrowful cituation. i dont see how allowing the older two to spend time with the man who murdered their mom is protectful. i would like to be able to tell the kids stories about thier mom and about those who loved her. i have no interest in character assasination . the folks that have loved and raised the boys have proved their worth. why were my requests denied. "

lost1 wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Once again Lizmom...you have managed to bring a tear to my eyes, each time I hear something new it seems to carry any suprise however; it is still a shock. One must remember that any af Liz's items such as a diary would be help in a investigation situation if something should happen. I loved liz she was a very special friend. Those boys you speak of I know that the two older ones have become wonderful produtive men. Funny, they so little in my eyes that now they are grown. "

Not from Napa wrote on Aug 25, 2008 5:01 PM:

" To LIZMOM.... The 2 older Boys you speak of, I raised, and they are very fine young men. And they visited thier brothers twice a year, not Mike, and as they became older they didn't want to go to Mike's. The visitation stopped. And until Mike was arrested, we never told the boys that Mike murdered Liz, because we had nothing saying he did. It didn't matter what we thought, we needed proof before we said anything against Mike. And YES those boys are very PROTECTED, even now. And just because they are older now, don't think for one minute I will stop protecting them. "

sammy wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:20 PM:

" ((((((((NotfromNapa)))))))) I hold you in such high regard. I saw you with your sons,......the older boys and I was so touched by your love for them. What a testimony to a mother's love. You are very gifted. "

Not from Napa wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:37 AM:

" To Sammy.... Thank you for your kind words. I was with these boys for 5 years before Liz was taken from them. Their Dad was here every step of the way. We just always did what we thought best for them. We feel so blessed they turned out to be the fine young men that they are. "

lost1 wrote on Aug 26, 2008 12:24 PM:

" to not from Napa...you are held in high regard and as you know I am happy for your protection, love just everything as you know. "

Not from Napa wrote on Aug 26, 2008 4:39 PM:

" Thank you lost1, Iam very happy to call you friend! Now lets just hope Mike stays where he belongs! "

lost1 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:59 AM:

" As it is such a joy to say friend. Both you and J have done an excellant job with such boys, ok they are not boys but I will always see them as boys. I saw them in uniform for cub scouts and t-ball it was such a joy to see them. Now let those boys start the last part of their healing and Mike stop and just stay where you are. "

ADark1 wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:29 PM:

" Several things could happen from the information.

1. The appeals court could rule it harmless error. meaning the evidence found wasn't sufficient enough to sway the jurys verdict.
2.The evidence found could show shortcuts or vital information was lost and the investigator has done this before, but yet the evidence STILL can be construed a harmless error.
3. The evidence was deficient and could not still be enough to change the jury's verdict.
Once convicted, it is almost impossible for a convicted person to prove if but for such and such, the vedict woukld be different.

That standard is so high, its near impossible for a convict to get a new trial much less go free.

For example, look at all the convictions in Texas where it has been proven the DA's office had a win at all costs credo. Its taken over 20 years to get new trials, but yet many have already been executed except for those who DNA evidence has freed. LOL! Even some of them are STILL in jail.

So no, I don't think he'll be getting out of jail anytime soon. "

cathyodom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:24 AM:

" What is the update on this case? "

Not from Napa wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:05 AM:

" As of yesterday we are done with Mike Posey. We want him out of our lives. He can appeal until the cows come home, but he killed liz and he is right were he needs to be. Enough Said! "

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