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Prices are down, but Realtors say mortgage crunch is easing
Sunday, August 10, 2008
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There’s good news and bad news in the local real estate market.

The good news?
“First-time buyers can buy a home for significantly less than they could in 2005 or 2006,” said Realtor David Barker of Frank Howard Allen. “Some buyers priced out of the market can now buy.”

The bad news?
In the past 12 months, the median price of a Napa County home has fallen approximately $200,000, according to Trendgraphix, Inc. In June 2007 the median price for a Napa County home was $660,000. As of June 2008, the median was $446,000.

The number of homes for sale and sold has remained relatively steady, however. In June of 2007, 882 houses were for sale in Napa County. In June 2008, that figure was 804.
In June 2007, 97 Napa County homes sold. In June 2008, 86.

American Canyon, which like the city of Napa has witnessed scores of foreclosures in the last five months, could be seeing a turnaround. In June 2007, 157 homes were for sale in the city of about 16,000 people, with only 10 sales. This June, 102 homes were listed, and 18 sold.

But the median also dipped in American Canyon, from $604,000 in June 2007 to $434,000 in June 2008.

“For buyers, the lower prices make homes significantly more affordable,” said Barker. “Homes that are well priced receive multiple offers. Hopefully, this demand will help to stabilize the market.”

American Canyon has grown substantially in recent years, with neighborhoods of new homes cropping up on both sides of Highway 29.

While the old adage in real estate is “Location, location, location,” professionals say timing is a key factor in the foreclosure figures.

“Homeowners who have purchased or refinanced over the last year or two are the most vulnerable, so it is not surprising that newer developments in all areas of California are the perhaps the most visible foreclosure areas,” writes Doug Fowler of Coldwell Banker.

“It is not so much the area but the date of purchase,” added David Barker. “Most of these foreclosed homes were purchased in 2005 or 2006, at the top of the market.”

The for sale signs on so many homes in the low-to-medium price range is slowing the market for higher-priced homes, a phenomenon that was not common in the early stages of the crunch.

“There is a lack of a move-up market into the $750,000 to $1.5 million dollar range,” wrote Mike Silvas with Morgan Lane. “Those homes are not selling well right now.”

The industry is reacting.

“Banks are attempting to streamline systems to deal with delinquent properties,” said Lynda Jensen of Heritage Sotheby’s International Realty. “Investment buyers have entered the marketplace, particularly as the rental market becomes more lucrative. Agents are becoming more skilled at handling the market.”

“Historically Napa has shown the ability to bounce back from economic downturns,” said Jensen. “Good times are ahead.”

Silvas agreed. “My opinion is that the worst is over, especially locally.”

Silvas said that some previously troubling economic signs are evening out. “Adjustable rate loans that were to reset in 2008 did not go up the way it was forecast,” he said.

But some professionals say the wave of foreclosures is not yet over, especially since credit is not nearly as easy to get as it was a few years ago.

“I believe this is the largest loss in wealth for moderate and middle-income families in the history of the country,” said Stephen Cogswell of Fair Housing Napa Valley. “However, lower housing prices may open up opportunities for some who were otherwise unable afford to purchase ... providing they can find someone willing to lend.”

Anne Schabacker with Select Mortgage Planning in American Canyon said she is selling loans.

“I have never been busier,” said Schabacker.

“We have well-qualified buyers,” she said. Banks are still lending, she said. But, “the banks are tighter than ever in their underwriting guidelines.”

“This time a year and a half ago, you could get a loan with a Fair Isaac Corporation (FICO) score of 550, 100 percent financing, stated income — you name it, lenders were standing there waiting to hand out money.”

Today, so called “stated income loans” without documentation are out, she said.

“Now we have to provide tax returns, W-2s and pay stubs. There’s more paperwork involved.”

These days Schabacker’s selling conventional loans to investors and Federal Housing Administration loans to first time homebuyers.

“I have investors buying two and three homes,” she said.

Schabacker said the bottom line for any would-be buyer should be simple: “Can you make the payment?”
27 comment(s)

truth wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:02 AM:

" duh "

napathoughts wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:21 AM:

" The common theme for the last two years has always been the REALTORS and MORTGAGE PRO's stating how positive everything looks. Do they not see the pink elephant in the room? Of course they have to try and create the idea that now is the best time to buy.

Unemployment is up, does this mean more foreclosures? Mortgage qualification is getting tigther daily as lenders struggle to survive (CountryWide). The charades (slight of pen tricks) CountryWide played with borrowers (Pay Option ARM's) should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Even the loan officers themselves.

When buying use your head! Very few realtors are looking out for you. They are desperate for any deal. The same reason we are in this mess.

Contrary to what any realtor or mortgage pro has to say, we are not out of this yet.

Watch the economic signs. Take notes of how long your neighbor has listed their home. $50K reductions are the norm. Original listing 2 years ago at $600k, now it is listed at $425K.

A key question to ask your lender or realtor is "How many of your clients in the last four years have foreclosed?" Watch them squirm, it is fun. "

Maya wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:08 AM:

" What? People were given huge HOME LOANS without providing documentation of income?!?! No tax returns or W-2s? What kind of crazy country is this? It's no wonder the housing market crashed. What a sham. I'm still bitter because housing is still unaffordable for us even with the prices dropping. We can't live off only one paycheck just to pay a mortgage- frustrating. "

Appraiser Gal wrote on Aug 10, 2008 12:31 PM:

" When you want the facts on the real estate market, consult an appraiser. Why ask a realtor or lender about the market when they earn their livings only when sales or loans occur? Stating that the market is declining would hinder their ability to earn a living, does the word stockbroker ring a bell? Would be nice to see NVR interview local valuation professionals who are disinterested third parties. Imagine what it would be liked to hear a non-biased opinion for once… "

Winewoman wrote on Aug 10, 2008 1:24 PM:

" So, Appraiser Gal - give us your non-biased opinion for once.... "

vocal-de-local wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:01 PM:

" I agree with "Appraiser Gal". Sales people are going to give you the impression that the market will rebound "just around the corner". I spoke to one Realtor in Sacramento who said that if you buy today, you will probably not make a profit for another five years. He said "do not buy if you must sell before that period of time". He was the only honest person we've dealt with. The rest of the Realtors we've been dealing with have attempted to use fear to lasso us into an impulsive purchase. Be selective in choosing your Realtor. You should be able to sense, right away, what kinds of pressure they are willing to use, either to get you to sell or buy. If you are selling, absolutely invest in an appraisal of the property. You cannot just look around and use existing home sale prices (that have not yet sold) as a reference for what homes sell for. We had a Realtor pull this on us. The comps he used for a particular home were the "asking" price for homes in the area, not "selling" prices. He tried to convince is that those were real comps. Both buyer and seller - beware. These are desperate times in the real estate market. "

mikeb wrote on Aug 10, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Appraiser Gal, unless I'm mistaken appraisers also only get paid when a new loan given. And is I am also not mistaken the irrational run up in pricing could not have happened if it were not for appraisers willing to give a value on house K $50k higher than house Y sold for only a week ago, because appraisers too, needed (and still need) new loans to go through to get paid. Talk about the grill calling the kettle and pot black. "

MarkMiwords wrote on Aug 10, 2008 3:30 PM:

" Appraiser Gal, if you are a local appraiser, please let us know what is happening in this area. "

jeeper16 wrote on Aug 10, 2008 6:17 PM:

" Reality has finally set in. You couldn't expect the insanity to continue. Wages could not keep up with homes going up in price 10, 15, 20 thousand a month or more. How could anyone expect the trend to continue. I love the fact that the rip-off artist real estate agents are finally getting their just desserts. Do the math! 6 percent profit on the sale price on homes that sell for up to a million dollars or more! What rip off! How much work did a realtor do to receive $60,000 or more on a sale of a million dollar home? Most people do not make $60,000 a year! "

Appraiser Gal wrote on Aug 10, 2008 7:15 PM:

" To mikeb - we get paid each and every time we give an opinion of value. Be it a sale, re-fi, date of death, divorce and many times prior to a listing a property... We use recent and bracketed comparable sales. No one calling anything black here! Value is what is substantiated, nothing more, nothing less. Do you really think we’d put our licenses in jeopardy for $400? Not in a million years!

For MarkMiWords – check out zillow or dqnews.

To vocal-de-local – remember, if a house is depreciating (for the sake of argument this let’s call it 10%) and you have a 6½% loan, each year that values drop you are in a negative 16½% for this home (huge cost to carry). Where when properties appreciate (again, let’s call it a positive 10%) now your home earns equity at 3½% for that year. This is what I believe the realtor in Sac was trying to suggest. "

catsvet44 wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:00 PM:

" Thank you mikeb, Jeeper16, MarkMiWords, I have a house I am forced to list and I have been forced to lower it over 100,000 in the past week. I have an offer my real estate agent wants me to take that is 20,000. LESS than that!! Am I crazy to refuse to agree? If I sell, I will end up paying MORE to RENT than my current mortgage!! Help!! "

nuttinpersonal wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:47 PM:

" Once again, the realtor clowns fall out of the car to tell us what a great time to buy it is. Why doesn't the NVR just do some simple investigation and provide some value-add analysis for its townspeople?

I'll make it easy for them. The median household income for Napa is probably around $50K. The median price for the few homes that sold is closer to $450K. 3-4x gross income is considered pushing things but probably doable depending on how much you want to sacrifice for your home. Let's assume it's 4. At a median household multiplier of 4, that would imply that the people buying these homes overall have a median household income of $110K. Does this sound like this makes sense? Here's a clue: making $150K a year probably puts a household in the top 5-10% of the city of Napa. Now, what do you think is going to happen when people have to put up their own money and not phony lending?

People think the worst is behind us for housing? The Alt-A loans (no documentation but higher fico scores = subprime for the middle and upper middle class) and option ARMs (pay less than your mortgage payment so that the reset is especially harsh) resets are coming in 2009-2011. Those are going to be huge. Most of CA loans fall under this category from 2005-2007, not subprime. Those are starting to reset now and the default rates look pretty similar to subprime when it first started except now those homes are 20%+ underwater.

It's going to be a bloodbath. Prices in Napa will be at least 20% lower than today in 2 years, and I'm not even adjusting for inflation.

Now, see, that wasn't so hard was it? "

funnyme wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:48 PM:

" catsvet44,
Do you really have to sell?
Have you look at other optoions?
By taking the offer would you still be making money, breaking even, losing?
Tell your Realtor if she/he can't negotiate your price, you'll find another realtor who will. "

nuttinpersonal wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:02 PM:

" "" To mikeb - we get paid each and every time we give an opinion of value. Be it a sale, re-fi, date of death, divorce and many times prior to a listing a property... We use recent and bracketed comparable sales. No one calling anything black here! Value is what is substantiated, nothing more, nothing less. Do you really think we’d put our licenses in jeopardy for $400? Not in a million years!"

ROTFLMAO. That must be some time machine you have. A ton of appraisers put their "licenses in jeopardy." Not every one, and maybe you didn't, but as an industry, they sold out.

Guess what happened during the housing bubble when appraisers didn't meet the magic number for a mortgage? They got way less volume.

So, what did the industry do as a whole? The relaxed their standards. Just a simple Google search on "housing bubble appraiser pressure" will tell you what's been going on there during the housing bubble. I feel bad for them because it's tought to have that kind of pressure put on you for your livelihood, but the blood of this housing bubble is on the appraisal industry's hands too.

Look at this statement: "We use recent and bracketed comparable sales." This is like your mother asking if all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you jump too? When all of the sales from 2003-2007 were totally inflated due to irrational lending, appraisers were essentially extrapolating that this non-sustainable process could continue. Does appraiser analysis not include things like finance and economics? "

enapa wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:18 PM:

" Anyone who buys this story I have a bridge to sell you. We are so far from a bottom in RE that it is laughable. Why don't the realtors who contributed to this story let us all know how many people in Napa got Option ARM loans? Oh woops that may throw a little wrench into the gears now won't it. The current median is nowhere near how low it will be. Prices of homes should be, and up until recently had, based on incomes. I don't know about you guys, but I don't know a whole lot of people in Napa making $150-$200k per year because that's what it takes to buy the median home here.

Maybe the Register should do their own investigations instead of relying upon the realtors. Just research Option ARMs and you'll get a taste of what is yet to come. "

nuttinpersonal wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:21 PM:

" My last comment: Everybody, think for yourselves. Your house will likely be the largest financial commitment in your life outside of your family.

*Never* assume that people who have a vested interest in you taking a particular action (or have a vested interest in somebody else who wants you take a particular action) will look out for your interests. Listen to what they have to say, but think critically about what's real and what's simply convenient for them.

Brokers, lenders, appraisers, Wall Street, etc. all got a cut from the housing bubble churn. A lot of greedy and lazy homebuyers hung themselves too. The whole housing buying chain became a house of cards. Lots of blame to go along.

Don't follow the crowd just to follow it for something so important. Don't go against the crowd just to go against it. That's just thoughtlessness of a different flavor. Choose the path that makes the most sense to you and your goals and ignore everybody else who wants to make money off you taking an action.

There are plenty of Internet sources for legitimate data. Look for it. Don't just go with the "authority" source. Look for challenging, opposing views too.

Finally, I really encourage EVERYONE to take a look at old NVRs from 2005-2007 when the housing bubble was at its most ludicrous. Look for every broker that said something along the lines of "Napa will do ok, we're different, no price is too high because everyone wants to live here." Are these the people that you want helping you for one of the biggest financial commitments in your life? Some brokers told it like it is, but most didn't want to hurt their almighty commission revenue. "

steph wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:10 PM:

" Who says it's only Napans investing here in Napa? "

vocal-de-local wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:20 PM:

" catsvet44, why are you selling? Do you HAVE to sell? If so, are you going to purchase another property? If you're planning to stay in this area and your monthly payments are less than rent, what's the benefit of selling? One option: if the rental market is strong, rent your property out. If it's a divorce situation, work a deal out with your ex. It can be a win win situation if both of you can approach it from an investment perspective. Remember that "rent" is income. In the meantime, you can move wherever you want, rent awhile, and continue collecting rental income. Try getting out of the mindset that home ownership is a necessity for happiness. People who rent have a lot more freedom than the rest of us! "

catsvet44 wrote on Aug 11, 2008 12:33 AM:

" Thanks, vocal-delocal,funnyme,nuttinpersonal for the advice. My ex refused to let me buy him out 2X earliera few years ago, claiming he wanted the tax benefits-now HE wants to retire and wants cash from the house. Our divorce was acrimonious to say the least. I am a single mom, just lost my job (thanks to the Queen last Thurs)and up to my ears in student loans trying to better myself and my income. My real estate agent says she is looking out for my best interests and offered to lend me first, last month rent plus deposit if I had to rent somewhere (until escrow closed, then I would pay her back) I don't want to move. She said these people are the best offer I and my ex can expect basically in this market. They want a 30 day close but she said they have a FICO of over800 and have 50% down. She and my ex came up with a counter offer-after lowering the price 100,000. I have signed neither one or agreed to the counter offer. Should I agree?? Either way I think I lose. If I refuse, my ex will take me to court. My real estate agent says she is just doing what the attorneys are telling her to do. I think I lose-she and my ex come out ahead but "I" have to move. I go to school full time and until last Thurs. worked also. Now I am job hunting and going to 2 different schools. Talk about being under stress!! I have no one to advise me but my real estate agent who is really nice and kind. "

cathyodom wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:43 AM:

" Catsvet44- sorry that you are in this mess with the queen! Were you in nursing school? What jobs were laid off at the queen? When are you done with school? Considering you lost your job, and the market is tanked, maybe you can ask your ex to hold off 6 months? Or have him pay your rent for 6 months if he wants to sell now? "

vocal-de-local wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:35 PM:

" catsvet44, google realtor MLS, plug in your zip code, and take a look at what other homes in the area are selling for. Take a particularly close look at the bank owned properties. There are often multiple offers on them and they often sell for higher than the asking price. If the offer on your home seems especially low by comparison, counter offer. Another thing to consider, when people put an offer in on those bank owned properties, they must often wait several months before receiving any feedback on whether an offer was even accepted. You're house should sell for more than bank owned properties simply because there isn't the same degree of hassle involved. Ask your agent to show you the selling price of some of the comparable homes in the area; and when I say comparable, I mean; If your house isn't a fixer upper, the comp should not be a fixer. I don't think it's entirely fair for bank properties to be used as comps either. If your agent shows you ONLY bank sold properties, there's something wrong. Your agent is making a huge amount of money off this sale. She owes it to you, as a listing agent, to do her homework and justify the selling price. "

Winewoman wrote on Aug 11, 2008 6:41 PM:

" Catset44- whose attorneys are telling the agent what to do? your ex's? yours? Obviously if they are his attorneys, you should get yours involved so as to protect your interests. Perhaps you can take some comfort in knowing that your exhusband isn't very smart - because he is 1. forcing you to sell your home in this 2. depressed market (no comments from the peanut gallery, please - just trying to lighten the stress here). Vocal had good advise - do some research and don't feel pressured - no matter how nice and kind the realtor is - she's a salesperson getting a real big paycheck. Step back, don't rush, think and take comfort in knowing that you're rid of your not-so-smart exhusband. ;-) "

enapa wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:32 AM:

" So since this article was printed there has been TWO specific articles in the Mainstream Press regarding the difficulty of getting loans. Just in July banks increased their tightening on loans. So can any of the "Realtors" explain to us simpletons how prices can increase, let alone stabilize if none of us qualify for loans?

Because we all know that Napa is filled with people with 800 FICO scores and at least $100k to put down on a house. LOL "

ezryder wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:17 AM:

" What's happenning now is that when you try to refi, the bank hires the appraiser and pressures them for the LOWEST number - the game is turned upside down. I'm selling my home - high end of the market - and got the top realtors in NV to give me a price they would list at and expect to sell at. To my surprise the numbers I got were different by a magnitude of hundreds of thousands of dollars between them. The appraiser came in even lower than the lowest agents number. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:21 PM:

" ezryder, it's common for real estate agents to use "high value" as a means of getting a listing. People are fairly foolish sometimes and hire the agent who comes in highest. There's a problem with listing the property high. The greatest amount of energy is when a home is first listed. Buyers are often turned off fairly quickly, even if the price is later lowered, typically moving forward and not looking back. Do not select an agent based on what price they determine your home is worth.

Did any of those wanna be listing agents provide you with a list of what comparable homes "sold" for in the area? Select an agent based on whether they did their homework, and also on their ability to "sell" and "represent" your interests. Here's another clue: Ask an agent for their listings; go to Realtor MLS and take a look at how an agent represents a property. Is there just one photo or several plus a video presentation on their listings? Also inquire about the original asking price of their sold listings, what these homes "actually" sold for, and length of time to sell.

It's troublesome when you don't know who to trust to establish home value, though. In this market, I'm not sure you can trust anyone except yourself. I suggest you do a little bit of research on what homes in the neighborhood are actually "selling" for. Do not use the "asking" price as a comp. A good agent will use these comps as a negotiating tool with buyers. You need to be aware of what they are so that you do not get duped. "

Paddy wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:30 PM:

" catsvet44 - if you've lowered the asking price $100,000 you've proven your good-faith effort to sell at a reasonable price. Your ex may not have a legal leg to stand on if you stick to this lowered price.... tell him you will agree immediately if he subtracts the $20,000 from what he'll make from the sale. Offer some negotiation and take your realtor up on her offer for first, last and deposit. That in itself is probably worth more than $5,000 and shrinks that loss of the low-ball offer.

Good luck, you'll be ok. Step back and look at the positives. Number one appears to be dumping the ex! "

nuttinpersonal wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:41 PM:

" Good timing by the Napa Valley Register with the headline article:

"Weak rules cripple appraiser oversight"

I encourage everybody to read it. It illustrates how the home appraiser industry caved in to pressure during the housing mania to help blow their share of air into the bubble.

But eventually you just can't blow any more air into the bubble and POP!

I hope the appraisal industry likes regulation because they're going to be seeing a lot more of it in the next few years. Or at least see a lot more enforcement of the existing regulation.

Of course, according to Appraisal Gal, appraisers would *never* put their licenses in jeopardy for $400 (it turns out they might for 100 appraisals at $400 each per year)! Not in a gazillion years! Remember, when you want the facts, ask an appraiser!

Bwahahaha! "

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