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Rigo Castillo, center, formed Club Patzimaro with Napa and Sonoma residents to help their hometown of Patzimaro, Mexico. Castillo and his colleagues are raising funds for municipal improvements in Patzimaro, and he hopes to utilize the Tres-por-Uno program, in which the Mexican government matches privately-raised funds for economic and cultural projects. Lianne Milton/Register | Buy photos
Tres-por-Uno program, private donations put wages to work south of the border
Monday, July 14, 2008
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Every week, Eugenio Ramirez visits La Morenita Market in Napa. He’s not just buying groceries.

The Napa vineyard worker is sending money to his family in El Llano, Mexico. On a good week, Ramirez sends as much as $200 home, using one of the half-dozen wire transfer companies whose services are available at markets all over Napa County.
“I really try to save my pennies so I can provide my family with what they need, but it becomes pretty difficult,” said Ramirez. “Especially when I have my own expenses to take care of here.”

In wiring money to Mexico, Ramirez uses a traditional method of supporting his family abroad.
In 2006, 150 million or so immigrant workers sent some $300 billion to their families in developing countries, according to the International Fund for Agricultural Development, an agency of the United Nations.

Locals might think the lion’s share of that money goes to Mexico, since the overwhelming majority of immigrants working in the Napa Valley wine and hospitality industries are from Mexico. But in fact, Asian countries including China and Vietnam received some $113 billion in 2006, nearly double the roughly $68 billion sent from the U.S. to Latin America.
Families in Mexico receive some $24 billion a year from relatives in the U.S., according to the IFAD.

Recognizing the positive impact of this money, the Mexican government operates the Tres-por-Uno (Three-for-One) program, which leverages the donations of groups like Club Patzimaro and the El Capricho Association, quadrupling the investment in infrastructure and community projects in Mexico.

Three for one

The brainchild of former Mexican President Vicente Fox, Tres-por-Uno was launched in 2002 to help immigrant clubs and associations raise funds to aid their hometowns. If, for example, an organization raises $10,000 to build a church, Mexican government agencies at the local, state and federal levels come up with another $30,000.

Agustin Pradillo, press consul for the San Francisco office of the Mexican Consulate-General of Mexico, said the policy was drafted to encourage economic growth to create jobs at home, dampening the desire of able-bodied workers to leave for work in the United States and elsewhere.

Tres-por-Uno funds have built factories and produce stands, repaired churches and constructed highways. Essentially, any project considered beneficial to a community is eligible.

The government imposes regulations to weed out inappropriate projects and deter fraud, according to the Mexican Consulate-General’s office.

Sedesol, Mexico’s Secretariat of Social Development, requires that established clubs and organizations have representatives in both Mexico and the country where the club is formed to propose a project. Categories for projects include environmental health, conservation of natural resources, health, education, agriculture, sports programs, cultural development and urban improvement.

Club Patzimaro includes more than 150 members and is raising funds for everything from improving health care to rebuilding roads and churches.

Rigo Castillo, president of Club Patzimaro, said Tres-por-Uno is underutilized.

“There is no organization or a community yet that’s doing its part to use it,” he said.

While the Mexican consulate officials did not provide an estimate of how much money moves through the Tres-por-Uno program, Castillo said he believes that only about 3 percent of the money sent by individuals from the United States to Michoacan is for public or civic projects.

He said some of this money is used for the repair of churches and health centers, but that greater donations would reap substantial rewards.

“It’d be good to have a better economy there so that people could stay instead of having to come here (to the U.S.).”

Castillo and others are working to harness the energy and contributions of workers around the North Bay, launching a group called Federacion de Michoacanos del Norte de California.

“When it first started two years ago, there were about seven clubs involved in it. Now, there are around 25 clubs involved,” Castillo said. He added that he hopes the federation will help motivate more people from Michoacan pull their resources together to improve conditions in Mexico.

Money on the move

Meanwhile, hundreds of individuals are directly assisting their families in Mexican towns by using Orlandi Valuta, Western Union and other services to wire money home.

La Morenita Market, on Jefferson Street across from Napa High School, is one of the biggest in Napa that caters to a nearly exclusively Spanish-speaking clientele. Owner Everardo “Bacho” Curiel said as many as 100 customers a day come in to wire money to their native lands, usually in the Mexican states of Michoacan, Oaxaca or Jalisco, but also within the United States, to Central American countries and once, Curiel remembered, to India.

“People come in, cash their checks, send money to their wives and then buy calling cards, meat or any groceries they may need,” said Curiel.

Curiel said most people who use the services at La Morenita send an average of $300 per transfer per week. “They come every Friday — payday.”

At Mi Familia Market in west Napa, manager Maria Medrano estimated wire-service patrons send around $500 in each transaction, and that 50 or so customers come in for that each week.

They tend to be middle-aged, married men sending money to their wives and kids in Mexico, according to Medrano, though some are young and single. Medrano said offering groceries and the financial services is the perfect combination for her clientele.

“It’s easier to do two things at once rather than go to two different places. It also helps that we’re well-established in the community,” said Medrano.

Both Medrano and Curiel say they see a dip in transfers — and in business generally — during the winter months.

On the other hand, there are occasions when extra money is wired south. “There’re days when there are more people wiring money than usual,” said Curiel, “like on Mother’s Day and Christmas.”

At La Morenita earlier this month, Samuel Estrada was, like Ramirez, sending money home.

The two men’s circumstances are not exactly the same.

Ramirez’ wife and children live in El Llano. Estrada, who works at an Upvalley winery, said he lives with his grown-up sons in Napa. The one he misses is his wife, Maricela, who has stayed back in Patzimaro.

“I wish she could be here with us,” said Estrada. “A woman makes a house a home.”

“She stayed behind because her parents are very old and too set in their ways to adjust to this country. They are too used to the life they have led (in Mexico) their entire lives so for now, Maricela will stay with her parents. I look forward to the day she can come and stay here for good.”

Estrada wires between $200 and $400 to his wife twice a month. “She’s not a big spender but sometimes she gets sick and has to pay visits to the doctor,” Estrada said. “It all depends on what she needs.”
76 comment(s)

JimClark wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:08 AM:

" Those dollars belong in this country. Our economy is tanking because too many are being led to believe they are sheep.

Who is the bellwether? "

Kathy Concened wrote on Jul 14, 2008 7:07 AM:

" Wonderful. They work here and send their money back to Mexico. BUT they use our resources (police, fire, hospitals, courts, roads, etc.) I also notice the Register continually stirs this pot. "

db76 wrote on Jul 14, 2008 7:14 AM:

" So U.S. money is being to build highways in Mexico. Awesome. I could write more about this, but I have to go outside and fix the tires on my car. "

CHICANAdeNAPA wrote on Jul 14, 2008 8:02 AM:

" YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET OVER IT!!WHO CARES WHAT THEY DO WITH THERE HARD EARNED MONEY!WE PAY TAXES FOR OUR ROADS TO GET FIXED.MAYBE IF WE STOP BUYING EVERYTHING FROM CHINA WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER ECONOMY. "

proud2b4rmMich.Mx wrote on Jul 14, 2008 8:56 AM:

" That money belongs to the hard working people that earn it, not to the U.S. and can do what ever they please with it just like everyone else!!! "

db76 wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:01 AM:

" Chicanadenapa: I think the CAPS lock button on your computer is on. Please check it. "

comment wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Good point, Chicana. These people complaining have a problem with people sending money made in America to their families in Mexico, but will gladly fork over their money to a company based overseas. "

Paddy wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:27 AM:

" If these workers kept more of their money and sent less home than maybe I wouldn't have to pay for subsidized, low-income housing and they would be able to afford insurance and not rely on emergency rooms.

Is it possible that if this money stayed in this country there would be more of an attempt to assimilate and not count the days until their return home after gleaning all they could from us? "

funnyme wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:29 AM:

" I must have touched a raw nerve somewhere since my earlier comment didn't get posted.
It would be very informative if NVR and its associates report in the whole story and did a follow up of what it has been written here.
For instance, from the moment these mexicans get here, find a job, work and live in the US, send money to their families that couldn't -or didn't want to- follow them and escape from poverty, in one hand.
And continue the story by reporting on the improvements paid for by this group and its colleagues.
In conclusion, how many people have returned "back home" (which is the main goal of this program) and lived happily ever after.
That, I would love to read and comment on. "

funnyme wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:36 AM:

" Proud michoacano,
In this case, why is it that they are "giving it" to this group to do what and where, why can't they keep it or spend it solely in their own families instead of "helping" the municipal government?

Municipal budget crisis or "mordida"? "

cellsitegod wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Kathy Concened hit it right on the head. They want a better life and enjoy the fruits of the native citizens labor and taxes that brought this country to being great. But, they send their money back to their country instead of spending it here and contributing the tax on those sales to keep this country so desirable to them.
As far as buying foreign products: The tax on that sale goes to this country! The only percentage of that money they send to Mexico is the outrageous( so I've heard) charge that guy hits with them to send it, because he asks no questions as to who's sending the money like illegals . "

Raven wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:07 AM:

" so...everyone who wants to tell the workers where they can send their money...are you ready to have someone tell you what you can do with the money you earn? "

Paddy wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:29 AM:

" CHICANAdeNAPA -

It does matter what they do with their money if it's not going into housing here or health insurance and they expect us to pay for thousands of low-income housing units to allow them to work here and send this hard earned money back to Mexico for their future retirement.

I too would like to be able to retire in my country but I'm being hammered not only to pay for these medical and housing resources but I'm also being forced to accept the low-income housing in the neighborhood I'd like to retire in.

I'm looking for equity in my own country and that's not asking too much.

Funnyme -

They are heavily censoring replies to these articles. It's very unfortunate. I do appreciate they've allowed the recent comments. "

wined0wnnapa wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:11 AM:

" how DARE! these people send half of their taxed income to their families.

And where does presidente FOX get off helping those communities that want to improve their infrastructure by commiting government money to triple private contributions!

maybe if we had something similar we could fix our roads - I got five on it. "

Julianna wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:13 AM:

" So when did our country dictate what people do with money they earn? These workers do jobs most Americans wouldn't dream of doing, and deserve to do whatever they choose with the money they earn. "

chito143 wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:19 AM:

" The group that my husband belongs to make sure that the money funds scholarships for kids in their hometowns . The kids are selected based on their area of interest and their promise to volunteer to improve their own community. This is done in part to try and prevent their need to abandon their home country in search of "better" opportunities.
Of course, negative individuals with their warped minds will focus on taking a positive story and spew their venom on it. I feel sorry for these people as they are more than likely unhappy in their lives and want others to be just as unhappy. "

delasnubes wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Thank You for writing stories like this, there is so much value in what the HTA's (Home Town Associations) bring to communities in Napa and Mexico.

Instead of seeing money going back to Mexico as a good thing, it seems like the last comments are so angry, and ignorant.

It would be great if communities/neighborhoods in Napa Valley organized in such a way, white or Mexican, then problems such as those mentioned could be tackled.

All in all, we must remember that mexican@s make up the bulk of service workers, and farm workers which allows Napa Valley to flourish.

We should be applauding civic engagement, locally and transnationally! "

mofosheee wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:22 AM:

" People.............don't worry. It won't matter when the the Amero is in circulation. "

napachica wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:23 AM:

" How do we all of a sudden have these stories in the paper? "

reason-ator wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Thank goodness I'm not the only person who was appalled at an organization that would try to glorify the continuing weakening of the dollar.

Somehow, I don't imagine we'll see any articles encouraging the consumption of foreign wines, but maybe it's because no foreign winemakers are advertizing in this paper. "

Calistoga_Tony wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:46 AM:

" More money leaving out country. Why not do a story about saving the USA? More propaganda, where's the real story? "

mikeb wrote on Jul 14, 2008 12:23 PM:

" To allow people receiving public assistance benefits to send their paychecks out of the country is a defacto taxation of the US Taxpayer to fund the infrastructure of another country. If you are standing on your own, paying your own way, you certainly are free to spend your discretionary income as you choose. And if you have the discretionary income to send money out of the country, you obviously are not in need of public assistance, and my tax dollars should be spend elsewhere. Wiring money out of the country should require identification, cross checked against a database of those receiving public benefits. "

mamyt wrote on Jul 14, 2008 12:48 PM:

" How do you know the people sending Money to Mexico use public assistance? These families in this story do not get assistance I can tell you that. There are white uneducated people who live off the government and do not take care of their elderly parents. Also this article does not suggest that these families only give to charity in Mexico. I know for a fact that they give to schools here in Napa as well. Stop assuming other people behave the same self centered way you and your family do. "

db76 wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:38 PM:

" The title of the article is "Rebuilding Mexico..." Shouldn't it just be "Building Mexico..."? "

db76 wrote on Jul 14, 2008 1:40 PM:

" I have to give credit to the people in charge of Mexican roads. When I drove down to Ensenada a few years ago, the reads were absolutely pristine. Not a single pothole. When I crossed back into California, it was like driving on a dirt road. At least our American dollars are being well spent. "

kbf wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Everyone has to realize that the Mexican people whether they are here legally or illegally their hearts are in Mexico and that is theri goal, not being a part of the country that is giving them a job etc.
When the bloga say public assistance it probably medical and dental, food stamps, free lunches for the kids, not good if you can send a penny home. I don't care what they make they will send money back to mexico and that is ok with me but don't expect any handouts from America.
Don't tell me they do work no one else will do. Try and get a job at a winery, hotel, fast food or retail store. They don't just work in the fields. "

wined0wnnapa wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:48 PM:

" maybe youre just unemployable kbf. "

Rockie1 wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:53 PM:

" I am so happy they are sending THEIR hard earnt dollars back to THEIR families. Napa can not provide the necessary American Wine Workers for the job; so these hard working Mexicans can legally live here and work.

Napa is such a sucky little PEYTON PLACE FULL OF little negative people who think their little Napa is a little heaven..... "

asahigo wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:26 PM:

" If the reports of the Mexican government being very corrupt are true, then why bother sending money to it? It's not going to get used the way it was intended. "

mari wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:30 PM:

" To MikeB...
Do not assume that all Hispanics are on public assistance. You'd be surprised to find out that the majority of those on welfare/public assistance are not Hispanic.
You all are quick to pass judgement on Hispanics, and you really dont know anything! "

Paddy wrote on Jul 14, 2008 4:52 PM:

" mikeb - I agree a database checked if money transfers attempted. Anyone receiving public assistance would not be eligible to complete the transfer. Better yet, have it transferred back to the state and federal governments issuing the aid.
Why is that too much to ask?

Rockie1 - there are plenty of home grown workers who would do the work. It's the pitiful wages that are a turnoff. Yes, in 2008 <$12/hr are pitiful wages in west of the Rockies. If full medical and dental benefits are included then that's a different story.

mari - the non-hispanics on public assistance, US citizens, are not sending money overseas. Don't pass judgement too quickly about who doesn't know what. "

mypoint wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:24 PM:

" If they love their country so much, why not move back there. I think we could find plenty of hard working Americans to fill their positions., especially now with so many Americans out of work. So we should support them, and they support their country??? I'm sorry, makes no sense to me "

MarshaMarsha wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:41 PM:

" I believe the immigrants are welcome to send their money anywhere they want... AFTER they register their cars and buy auto insurance, AFTER they pay for a private family doctor instead of going to the ER when their kids have a cold or flu, etc. In other words, AFTER they learn financial responsibility instead of draining the life out of government resources.

Sure, lots and lots of government resource abuse by non-immigrants, but the difference is that the non-immigrants aren't sending their money anywhere. It's being spent right here in the U.S of A. And 90% of those products made in China were imported here by American companies paying huge corporate taxes, employing American workers, and putting something into the American economy.

As soon as I don't have to sit in the ER with a broken arm for two hours because there's a line of immigrants in front of me without private physicians or health insurance (because they sent all their money back home) I'll send my own money to Mexico. "

make napa better wrote on Jul 14, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Why don't we go in and MAKE Mexico more like the US then they will want to go home... Wait, isn't that what's happened to Iraq? "

comment wrote on Jul 14, 2008 8:09 PM:

" How often do you see prople of other races out in a vineyard, Paddy? If there were so many other people that would do that job, why are hispanics the only ones out there? And why are the majority of hotel housekeepers hispanic? And why are the vineyard owners worried about a shortage of workers if the U.S. cracks down hard on immigration? "

um_yeah wrote on Jul 14, 2008 8:14 PM:

" Julianna what are you talking about.

How about all the BS that the Dems are saying about charging excess profit taxes on the oil companies or deciding to tax at a higher rate those who make over a certain dollar amount.

How about TAXES! If I make a dollar let me keep my dollar! "

southnapareader wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:36 PM:

" The only people who have a right to say where they spend the money they earn is the people who earned it. Imagine if anyone started telling you where to spend your money!

The only people who have a right to complain are those who only buy 100% American and keep their money HERE (I doubt that is very many of any who commented.) "

richy wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:52 PM:

" i am Ricky Hurtado and the report on patzimaro michoacan mexico is my town i was born in the U.S. and glad to be in napa valley and love my big familly. i am also the organizer of the protest at napa high for mrs. colorado and i am Napa High schools ASB President. the reason we came to the us was because we cant live of in Mex. but if we did had a great economy in mexico we would have never came to the U.S. besides the united states was constructed by imigrants and we are not destroying the economy by sending money to our families in Mexico. think about if you were in a country thats didnt have as many opp. as the United States wouldnt you move to another place, or country, think about your familly would you do anything for them? yeah and the only reason we are sending money back to our little towns is because we still care about where we decsend and it is wonderful being in a double culture even if it is hard being critizised or descriminated against. besides this nation is a wonderful nation i love the United States and we are FREE we have the FREEDOM to do whatever with our money. i have met great people in the united states and i thank god. and for the people that like to critizise a lot GOD will be the only judge, and is trying to make a better life a crime certainly NOT. and if you think the Hurtados came here illegal and crossed the broder no sir we didnt do that, we did it the legal way we stayed in our town of Patzimaro until it was leagal to come to the U.S. "

richy wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:57 PM:

" oh im ricky hurtado once again i didint get to finish my other comment.
and if ou think we as latinos do not help the churches here i recomend you to go to a mass and see how many people put in money to help the church and i also know a lot of latino families that donate to the catholic churches.
and yeah some latinos are christians and they also help out their church.
if you have anything to ask go ahead right on i am open for all questions...
may god bless you all and bless the people that cant understand this situation "

Paddy wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:09 PM:

" comment - it wasn't that long ago that the majority of vineyard workers were non-hispanic. My point is that if the vineyard paid $16-$20/hr they would be able to find a willing labor pool that may not be entirely hispanic. Or, if it is all hispanic that's great. Perhaps the ERs wouldn't be filled with non-emergency clientele and there wouldn't be the drastic need for low-income housing and assimilation wouldn't be such a difficult thing to do.

The view beyond the fence, the kitchen the trench and the garden wouldn't be one of abandonment or quiet desperation. There would be a future and participation in the process and a desire to feel like more than cheap help. "

wowquebonita wrote on Jul 15, 2008 12:27 AM:

" Ohh snap! Some of these comments crack me up. Good points and some racist ones as well.

Why are the "illegals" here? Uhmm; supply and demand que no? If there weren't any jobs for them they wouldn't come here. We all know the labor is cheaper for the companies employing them. Companies save money on health benefits, retirement plans, and whatever else they short cut to pocket more money. Perhaps, if the "illegals" were given health benefits they wouldn't go to the ER as often or for things that are NON emergencies.
Of course this all has something to do with our tanking economy. I've made changes in my shopping habits for example, I'm done buying Coach an "American classic" Nothing "American" about it if it's made in China. How about Made in the U.S.A??

How about this..all you people complaining about the "illegals" and how they're taking our jobs and sending money to Mexico; why not take their jobs AND get paid what they get paid...hey problem solved! If others take their jobs then maybe they will be unemployed and will go back home? This sounds great? So how many takers? "

areyouserious wrote on Jul 15, 2008 1:06 AM:

" WOW! This is truely amazing! What a wonderful country this is? Where we can have immigrants (legal/illegal or otherwise) can send money from our econmy to another country who fleeing people leech the life out of our economy.

And I really HATE all this nonsense about how Americans will not do the work! FLAT OUT UNTRUE!

I have worked in the vineyards/wineries! And I was born at the Queen in 1970!

Oh.... what's the point? Why bother complaining. Nothing will change until the US Gov't goes bankrupt. Then maybe we can get aid from Mexico. LOL!

CHICANAdeNAPA

TEMPER TEMPER! Calm down! "

Rocco wrote on Jul 15, 2008 8:15 AM:

" If you're a hard working legal Mexican American, paying your own way, not on the dole, and then decide you would like to send money away to anywhere on the planet...Amen! On the other hand, if you, of any ethnicity, are on ANY form of public assistance and still send money out of the country, you are a thief, …plain and simple. "

funnyyou wrote on Jul 15, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Napachica, These stories are nothing but marketing on behalf of wineries (Duckhorn & Mi Sueño). A cheap way of advertising their product for a couple of days. "

mytoosense wrote on Jul 15, 2008 9:40 AM:

" richy your english is excellent considering you came all the way from patzimaro michoacan and congrats on becoming ASB president your future is bright. don't let these bloggers bring you down, in a few years you will be bussing the cash into mexico...keep it up. "

chabella wrote on Jul 15, 2008 11:23 AM:

" funnyyou, way to go !!!! you are right VERY cheap advertising economy is pretty bad so I guess these is the only way for them Mi sueno..........Advertising. "

NAPA66 wrote on Jul 15, 2008 12:42 PM:

" Why should our country rebuild Mexico? There are major concerns in our own country with economics and spiraling food and gas prices. Why don't the mexicans in Mexico work and send us most of their pay? At least they would not be getting it from our hands. "

mytoosense wrote on Jul 15, 2008 2:30 PM:

" i love you dan ross, will this get censored too?

what is the deal with this photo? their collection methods look pretty suspect. does the nice looking gentleman with the hat stare at you through your window until you agree to donate? is this even the right picture for this article? "

funnyme wrote on Jul 15, 2008 4:07 PM:

" Funnyyou,
Now, I really have to change my screen name...darn it.

How do you spell CORRUPTION? "

John Richards wrote on Jul 15, 2008 10:24 PM:

" CHICANAdeNAPA, money you make in this county should be spent in this county. That's how you help the local economy.
Also, when you buy something in a local store, very little of that money goes to China. Most of it goes to pay the wages and benefits of local employees. The sales tax that is collected helps to pay for fixing the streets. All of those good causes are shortchanged when you send the money straight to Mexico. "

ADark1 wrote on Jul 15, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Well that is John Richards unless the STORE you buy the goods from are NOT selling CHINESE goods in the FIRST PLACE!

I atempted to post on this thread however, I fear the powers that be think I stepped over the line....1 little toe or not again..so I'll simply say...mine the borders...anyone here legally( EUROPEAN OR HISPANIC) as long as they pay their fair share of taxes? I could care less what they do with their personal income. "

mari wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:10 AM:

" ROCCO...you're wrong! If someone is illegal, they cant receive Cash Aid or food stamps (public assistance), and you only get emergency medical services. Thats why I previously said, you'd all be surprised what ethincity has the majority of people on public assistance! "

lahrgsp wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:16 PM:

" What is not right is to get a good job here we have to be bilingual!! That is NOT fair! "

Rocco wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Mari,
I doubt that anyone thinks the "majority" of those receiving aid are here illegally, ...but having to be a legal resident to receive aid??? Listen outside...do you hear that muffled laughter? Those are the people reading your posting. Mexican corruption tore down Mexico; let the Mexicans in Mexico rebuild it with their own funds, not ours. "

umanyar wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:15 AM:

" How is this news? As in this is not new...blame the US Govt not people. Don't you know by now the US Govenemnt has opted for the cheap labor pool and is none to concerned if they are here legally or illegally?

Honesly I think the goal is to have people who are "citizens" leave so the country will be comprised solely of pliable, cheap labor...illegal or legal...not a concern to them. Its happening and it has happened so why make goofy news stories out of old news? "

miggymike wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:57 PM:

" i find it funny when people complain for something they have no idea about...if us mexicans left this place what would happen genius??? you wouldnt have wine to drink...or food to eat..get your facts straight first...the reason everyone hates us americans is because people like you voted for Bush twice...good job "

mypoint wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:56 PM:

" Thank you miggymike, I just can't imagine what we would do without you. "

vercingetorex wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:39 PM:

" How does Australia produce their wine and get food on the table without an army of millions of illegal Mexican aliens to do the work?
Something tells me we'd find a way. And the vintners bottom line profit would just be a little less. And our costs in supporting
a whole underclass would be less too.
I like that arrangement. "

Selim wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:30 AM:

" All international outgoing remittances need to be taxed 25%. Period. End of story. International remittances are the second highest source of income for the Mexican economy next to tourism.

For those of you who think the entire agricultural industry would grind to a halt if all illegal workers were removed from the equation, I would point you to look at France as an example: their farm/vineyard workers are actually paid (heaven forbid) a LIVING WAGE, and that wage is translated into the retail price of produce. It is extremely difficult for an illegal immigrant to get work in the heavily unionized French agricultural industry as a result...nobody there wants the standard of living lowered by cheap labor. Nobody wins then because the tax base is not fully supported.

The other side of this coin is that there are all these illegal workers who are just that...WORKING. In an economy with just over 5% unemployment (which is almost full employment in a free market economy), it's clear we simply don't have the labor force needed to keep going forward. The solution is to find a fair way to get these people legally here, and get them to participate FULLY in the tax system. This includes a better structured tax system (i.e. on remittances & a more fair sales tax). There's a whole underground economy that we're missing out on because a bunch of folks don't have legal status. We CAN get that money. "

wowquebonita wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:48 AM:

" Oh an other thing I forgot to add....yes this story is talking about Mexico; I'm tired of people blaming the Mexicans. We're the scapegoat....an illegal alien can be almost anyone; from El Salvador, China, France, Italy, etc. Quit blaming us dammnit, I'm at no fault, I too like many others here in Napa was born at the Queen, as were my older sisters, my niece, any my nephew. I hope that someday kids will too be born at the Queen. "

Concerned citizen wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:23 PM:

" Well, I finally was able to find time to come to Napa and, WOW!!!, what a surprise. Over run, over crowded, angry drivers, attitudes all over the place and an expoential growth in certain populations..and, did I mention ATTItUDE!!??!!

You've lost it, Napa....too late to clean it up now. Can't go back to better times...the proverbial Pandora's box has been flung open and all the ills and woes are out.

Too bad our esteemed leaders allowed this to happen with their spinelessness, cowtowing and platitudes and apologies for being American. And, too bad that the "PC" (public corruption) ideology has taken over and become sooooooooo prevalent....Napa is a ruined environment.

No matter how pretty some of the improvements downtown are, the area is now blighted and cannot be restored to it's earlier beauty.

Too late! Too bad! "

napamom21 wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:51 PM:

" NVR how about writing about all the Mexican soldiers from Napa Valley that are serving in the war? It's a shame that reporters are wasting space and resources on stories like this one!!!! "

miggymike wrote on Jul 18, 2008 1:12 PM:

" the funny thing, mypoint, is that you wouldnt be fine..i would love to see you work in the vinyards in the heat like we had 3 weeks ago...you wounldt make one day..so seriously austraila dosent even compare to napa wines because thier isnt any mexicans so cut that argument out...just work one day out in the field mypoint please just work one day... "

mypoint wrote on Jul 18, 2008 1:46 PM:

" I am so sick about hearing how hard you work. Do you think Americans don't work hard? If it's such a grueling job, what are you doing here? You're lucky America has provided you with such great opportunities. and last time I checked a lot of other countries that would never employ ILLEGAL aliens, seem to eat and drink wine just fine "

napachica wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:03 PM:

" I agree with NAPAMOM21. I have to say that all these stories are a waste! Obviously by all the comments I have ready the majority of people has no interest in PATZIMARO or el LLANO rebuilding their towns. We especially don't want to hear how they are doing it.
Thanks FUNNYYOU for the comment.
NVR can we please move on to something more interesting and pleasing. "

pharper wrote on Jul 19, 2008 2:27 AM:

" I'm sickened by the racist comments I've seen here.

Despite what everyone might think, it is racist, rude, and ignorant to assume that jsut because these people are Mexican, they're using public assistance. 80% of people on welfare are Caucasian American citizens. The other 20% represents ALL of the U.S. minorities--not just Mexicans.

People have the right to do whatever they want with their hard-earned money. Isn't this the U.S., where we have, like, freedom? Think of it this way: if you had a family member in another country who couldn't afford to come here, would you just keep your money and say, "Sorry, honey, figure it out yourself?" Or would you set aside a certain amount of your cash for them, in order to bring them to the country you've come to love? I hate to break it to all you naysayers, but no matter what kind of government help these people are getting, this money they send to their families counts as a living expense--like food or rent. Their families and the people of their hometowns deserve to survive too. If you'd moved form another city in the U.S., then heard it was having monetary problems or had suffered a tragedy, would you hesitate to send money there? I doubt it. "

vercingetorex wrote on Jul 19, 2008 5:30 PM:

" People have a perfect right to gripe about money saved here by illegals, sticking Average Joe Taxpayer with the bill for medical expenses, public housing assistance, and other forms of subsidies, going back to Mexico.
It's a form of theft and it's dishonest.
If you pay your own way then do what you want with YOUR money. Burn it, for all I care.
But if you have your hand in my pocket then take it out.
Because it doesn't belong there. And you have no right to send the money you took from this country to another. "

mypoint wrote on Jul 19, 2008 9:14 PM:

" vercingetorex - AMEN! I agree with you 100% "

kdbk wrote on Jul 19, 2008 11:31 PM:

" People who don't see the severe problems that mass illegal immigration is causing simply do not want to see them.

People who don't realize why it is a problem for illegal workers to be earning money in the U.S. illegally, and sending lots of it back to Mexico, don't want to realize it.

These people have personal reasons for aggresively defending illegal immigrants and could care nothing for the reality of the situation. Thus they foolishly show no regard for their future quality of life in America, let alone Napa. They just want to pretend that everything is o.k. and that those against illegal immigration are "angry", "racist", "elitist" etc. They really (I mean REALLY) believe that mass illegal immigration from the third world can just go on forever and that everything will be alright in the "land of the free".

And they call us IGNORANT. Yeah, sure. "

Raven wrote on Jul 20, 2008 11:56 PM:

" "People who don't realize why it is a problem for illegal workers to be earning money in the U.S. illegally, and sending lots of it back to Mexico, don't want to realize it."...

Okay, lets do this again...you know they are illegal how?

And you know the money they earned was illegal how? "

mypoint wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:21 AM:

" Raven - are you kidding? Do you not read the newspapers or watch the news...Everyone knows the problems we are having with illegal immigration and until we start taking action, the problems and our economy is only going to worsen. The money earned here should stay here. We should be worrying about building up our own country before we support another country. "

PastNapan wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:28 AM:

" Raven, illegal alien apologists love to play the how do you know they are illegal game. They aren't all illegal but a good many of them are. Are you disputing that we have illegal aliens in Napa? Good luck with that one. I've seen stories right in the NVR, I've seen them marching in Napa and St. Helena demanding their rights. If you are here legally and supporting yourself I could care less what you do with your money. However if you are receiving public assistance of ANY kind you have no business sending a dime out of this country. With the cost of living so high in Napa I sure would love to know how they pay all their housing, food and medical costs and yet still have hundreds left over to send to Mexico. Especially since they are doing the low paying jobs that Americans "refuse" to do. Their money managing skills must be quite amazing. "

Thepeople wrote on Jul 21, 2008 10:24 AM:

" Raven, the answer to your question is because we weren't born yesterday... "

Raven wrote on Jul 21, 2008 1:47 PM:

" so.....you in fact have no evidence that any of the people mentioned in this story are 1) illegal and 2) earning any money illegally "

vercingetorex wrote on Jul 21, 2008 6:58 PM:

" Raven...please!!!
By any estimate there are MILLIONS of illegal aliens here.
Study after study shows how much they are costing the U.S. to support an underclass of uneducated, unskilled and
uninvited people. It costs us BILLIONS!!
So don't be so disingenuous and so obtuse.
You aren't fooling anyone. "

skippert wrote on Jul 21, 2008 10:14 PM:

" This story and all of these comments are sick. While we sit by and watch our town, state, government and families try and keep up with all of these people that are here just USING it for their own benefit. I can't stand that we will be paying $2,200 per month rent (that is just one family) to stay in our home town and continue to run our business and raise our kids where we grew up. I only wish there was somewhere that I could run to, to make up for what this economy is doing to our family. So if you are feeling the crunch too, and are finding it harder to send anything back to your families, well to bad now you know how it feels to struggle here too. "

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