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Name dispute stalls new Napa AVA
Coombsville or Tulocay? Feds don’t like either one
Sunday, June 22, 2008
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Federal wine regulators have rejected a request to designate east Napa as the Tulocay viticultural area, saying the name does not have enough general recognition or support among local vintners.

Thursday’s decision ices one local request for a new American Viticultural Area, while vintners in Calistoga await a different decision from the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, known as TTB, regarding a bitterly-fought proposal for a Calistoga AVA designation.
TTB’s written decision on Tulocay noted that several vintners in the area preferred the name Coombsville or Coombsville District for any AVA describing the rugged region east of the city of Napa. It also noted that the name Tulocay is in little use, other than as the name of a creek, the name of the cemetery on Coombsville Road and the name of a winery whose owner warned TTB of “inestimable economic damage” to his operation if the AVA were to be granted.

Aaron Pott, a winery consultant and former winemaker at Quintessa, sought the Tulocay designation. He said the name Tulocay recognizes the Native American heritage of the area and would be a more distinguished-sounding word to go on a wine label than Coombsville. He said the proposed designation had broad support among local vintners and he was “a little depressed” after hearing of TTB’s decision.
“Tulocay doesn’t sound as redneck as the name Coombsville,” said Pott. “Someone will have to resubmit an (AVA) application now, and if Coombsville goes through, people will know we’re redneck.”

Napa County already has more than a dozen so-called “sub-apps,” or specific viticultural areas within the federally-recognized Napa Valley appellation. Among them are Carneros, Rutherford, Yountville, Oakville, Diamond Mountain, Howell Mountain and the most recent to be recognized, Oak Knoll.
The TTB decision noted that the Napa Valley Vintners, a trade association of more than 300 local wineries, favored the Tulocay designation. But it said of the 20 comments it received on the proposal for a Tulocay AVA, only eight favored a Tulocay name while 12 favored Coombsville or the Coombsville District.

Supporters of Tulocay submitted maps and documents from the middle of the 19th century referring to the area as Tulocay Rancho or Rancho Tulocay.

Opponents provided information on Nathan Coombs, a founder of the city of Napa for whom Coombs Street and Coombsville Road are named.

Tom Farella, winemaker at Farella-Park Vineyards on Third Avenue in Coombsville, opposed the Tulocay designation. He noted in a letter to the TTB that recent articles in the wine press refer to the area as Coombsville. “The petitioners chose to ignore this obvious choice because they didn’t like the sound of it,” he wrote.

Farella also said it would hurt Bill Cadman’s Tulocay Winery, which was established in 1975 but sources most of its grapes from elsewhere.

While under federal rules Cadman would be able to keep the name Tulocay Winery, a 2004 California Supreme Court decision essentially would force him to ditch the name unless he began to source 85 percent or more of his grapes from the area.

The concern over a brand’s current use of a proposed AVA name is at the heart of the controversy in Calistoga. Two wineries, Calistoga Cellars and Calistoga Estates, use the name without sourcing the majority of their grapes from Calistoga. The dispute in Calistoga has been a high-profile affair, with both sides lobbying Congress and regulators and Rep. Mike Thompson, D- St. Helena, contemplating legislation to protect the Calistoga name should TTB decide to grandfather in one or both of the wineries who use the name without using the grapes.

On Friday, Farella said, “TTB made the right decision” on Tulocay.

He said a key consideration for granting an AVA is whether the name is known locally, regionally or nationally. “As beautiful a word as Tulocay is,” said Farella, “it doesn’t have a whit to do with winemaking other than Bill Cadman’s winery.”

Farella said it is likely that vintners and growers in the area will formally seek a Coombsville designation — something that has not been done — but that it is uncertain what the next steps will be.
22 comment(s)

Beta Napan wrote on Jun 20, 2008 3:47 PM:

" Happens to be I'm neither, but I'd rather be "redneck" than someone who would use an area's "Native American heritage" simply as a marketing tool. Go Coombsville. "

steph wrote on Jun 20, 2008 4:22 PM:

" Ew. Tulocay. I'm not a native, but my father's family is, and I have relatives buried in the cemetary. So when I think of "Tulocay" I just can't help it--I think of death.

Ew. I recommend highly that y'all NOT go with Tulocay.

(Let's see if I get the Image Verification correct...it looks like--get this-- "lm1l8" "

BD4 wrote on Jun 20, 2008 4:24 PM:

" Using the word "redneck" is very offensive Mr. Pott. You're not going to win over anyone using that kind of language.

I for one like the Tulocay name designation, but after a comment like that I'm glad you lost. "

biLly wrote on Jun 20, 2008 4:30 PM:

" Thanks Mr. Pott.... Coombsville is just fine.Sorry it does not meet your marketing needs. Spend a little more time making your wines they are not that great ! "

napavalleyman wrote on Jun 20, 2008 7:02 PM:

" May I offer some balance to this discussion?

Regarding Aaron Potts' comment that 'the name Tulocay recognizes the Native American heritage of the area and is a more distinguished-sounding name than Coombsville', I would like to remind everyone that the name Coombsville recognizes the pioneer heritage of the area, because Coombsville was named for Napa pioneer Nathan Coombs, who laid out the very first street map for the City of Napa in 1845, the main street of which was, of course, Main Street. Coombs Street was also named for Mr. Coombs. "

axim wrote on Jun 20, 2008 7:56 PM:

" To add more balance to the mix:

While I do not discount the contributions of Nathan Coombs, the native americans were here before him. I'd rather honor them.

Mr. Pott has reason to be frustrated at the lack of support for a unified AVA, not just the naming. "

axim wrote on Jun 20, 2008 7:59 PM:

" I also for one would rather have a Tulocay designation. Regional names are more attractive then "ville" extensions.

It is not marketing alone, if we wanted to do that, why don't we drop the fight over Tokalon and To kalon and just name it Mondaviville then to honor Robert Mondavi? "

109823 wrote on Jun 20, 2008 8:25 PM:

" What if Nathans' last name would've been Who, and there's a Grinch on the hill. I say we tap the other till for another 165k and take a survey!! I bet MIG would be up for it. "

areyouserious wrote on Jun 21, 2008 1:11 AM:

" If you refer to your grape growing region as Coombsville, you might be a redneck.

Oh man! That's some funny feces!

Hey steph!

My image verification is 3qshy "

nan03 wrote on Jun 21, 2008 7:21 AM:

" Steph I agree with you "

biLly wrote on Jun 21, 2008 7:50 AM:

" Axim,
The facts are the facts AVA DENIAL and for good measure. If "ville" is an issue why Oakville, Yountville etc. ? Are these bad AVA's....hardly If you do not like the name or the AVA buy fruit elsewhere. Your lack of knowledge of the wine business in Napa shows.Maybe you like OKD that one is your favorite? "

common sense wrote on Jun 21, 2008 8:18 AM:

" Elitist wine snobs vs. rednecks. I'll side with the rednecks every time. "

tomfar wrote on Jun 21, 2008 9:09 AM:

" The TTB wouldn't go for "Coombsville" because it wasn't in the original petition, just in the comments that were submitted afterward. They left it wide open for re-submittal. Also, "Tulocay" probably never would have flown because the first requirement for an AVA is "locally, regionally or nationally known as..." The area is definitely known as "Coombsville" both locally and throughout the world wth people who follow the Napa Valley. It's also, probably, the easiest AVA to define in the Napa Valley so it's a shame the first attempt ignored the first requirement for such a slam-dunk. "

steph wrote on Jun 21, 2008 1:27 PM:

" napavalleyman--pioneers: SoooOoO REDneck. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Jun 21, 2008 2:45 PM:

" There's something very political going on here. Duh! Sounds like someone else is threatened by the potential success of another AVA? I suggest that neither Coombsville or Tulocay be used at this point. Go back, study the area, find something that fits into "locally, regionally or nationally known". However, it seems to me that Tulocay fits into the category of "locally" known. If at first you don't succeed, try again! "

axim wrote on Jun 23, 2008 11:50 AM:

" To biLly:

Bad comparisons. George Yount at least founded the area which later became Yountville. Nathan Coombs founded Napa yet the entire area did not become Coombsville. Oakville was already named Oakville(not after a person). As for "lack of wine business knowledge", I work just fine in the industry thank you.

Mr Pott is an upstanding man and a fantastic person. It's just unfortunate the Register decided to only use quotes that make him the marked man in this issue. "

axim wrote on Jun 23, 2008 11:52 AM:

" re: vocal-de-local

Political? Wine industry? Nah, they couldn't go hand in hand! Ah, ha, ha. It really does come down to the political game though. Till there is an agreement, there will be no recognized AVA altogether. "

biLly wrote on Jun 23, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Axim,
you claimed "Regional names are more attractive then "ville" extensions". What kind of statement is that?? Like I said it just shows that you and Mr. Pott think "ville" is "hickish"....we thank God you do not make the AVA's designations around here ..most of which I am sure have been around a lot longer than you or Mr.Pott.
Find another Valley to try and manipulate "

axim wrote on Jun 23, 2008 1:06 PM:

" RE: biLly

What kind of statement is that? It's called an opinion to which I am entitled just as you are to yours.

I fail to understand when you try to take shots at my "wine business knowledge" yet you seem to have little yourself. Many of the AVAs in the Napa Valley(itself established in the early 1980s) were established in the mid 90s. Yes, I have been around and yes Mr Pott have been around during these times. "

biLly wrote on Jun 23, 2008 4:04 PM:

" So,
you think calling people "redneck" etc. is a good thing? Family has been in the wine business for 40 years here in the Napa Valley. These "hicks" and "rednecks" are what Napa really is not some Vegas strip style carnival with a winemaker of the week . Anyone who has been here for "awhile" would not refer to Coombsville or any "ville" as redneck...maybe they should call the AVA Huneus or "overpriced estate red wine made by a different winemaker every year" . ...I suspect you workded there or maybe still do ( I doubt it ..average employee stays there 7 weeks) "

biLly wrote on Jun 23, 2008 5:01 PM:

" Axim...since when is To Kalon an AVA???
It is a vineyard. Mondavi and Beckstoffer have been fighting over the name and use
for years and as I recently recall (several years ago) Beckstoffer won (the right to use the name) hence...... all the To Kalon vineyard designate wines.

To Kalon is in "Oakville" or to you "Redneckville" "

axim wrote on Jun 24, 2008 5:45 AM:

" biLly:
I have no idea where you infer I think Napan are "rednecks". If you look at ALL of my posts, there is NEVER a reference to Napans as rednecks. You are the one making the inference.

No, To Kalon is not an AVA. Nor is Coombsville/Tulocay. Hence the far flung reference. There is neither enough support for Coombsville or any other name for that matter to get an AVA established....yet. Hopefully there will be one some day. "

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