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Slammed by loud music on Sunday afternoons and evenings from Mexican rodeos, neighbors are asking

Napa Valley Expo to turn down the sound.
Homes east of Silverado Trail hear five and a half hours of live bands, bullriding and an exuberant PA announcer when the Mexican rodeo comes to town.

“It is an invasion,” said Shelly Nelson, a resident on Fairview Drive. She normally likes living by the fairgrounds and doesn’t mind the sounds of the Napa Town and Country Fair in August, but these rodeos are something else, she said.
“My room is the farthest room. I can hear it perfectly. I can hear everything. The windows rattle,” said Shelly Nelson, her 14-year-old daughter.

“I assure you Sunday afternoons are ruined,” said Charles Vincent of Capitola Court. Vincent insisted he’s not a noise prude, but rodeo cacophony is “over the top.”
Napa police received more than a dozen complaints during the first rodeo of the season on April 20, said Sgt. Don Honey. “Officers went into the Alta Heights area and said it was pretty bad,” he said.

The volume was turned down when police contacted Expo CEO Joe Anderson, Honey said. Other than noise, the rodeos have been disturbance-free this year, he said.

Police did not more directly intervene because the Expo, as a state-owned facility, is not subject to city noise standards, Honey said. “We don’t have any rules that say what they can do on state property,” he said.

Napa Mayor Jill Techel, who received angry calls at City Hall, said she could sympathize with residents. “We’re concerned about quality of life, the ability to have a barbecue in your backyard without noise from another event,” she said.

CEO Anderson told Expo directors this week that he will be talking with police and residents to see whether a tighter rein needs to be placed on outdoor sound.

The Expo has been hosting loud events for decades, including weekly motorcycle races that stopped more than a decade ago, Anderson said. Outdoor concerts are always problematic, he said.

“You go to any live concert and it’s loud,” Anderson said in an interview. “That’s what a live concert is.”

Several factors may explain the surge in complaints over the rodeos, Anderson told directors. For one thing, the Expo at Third and Silverado is surrounded by more newcomers who don’t necessarily appreciate that the fairgrounds were there first.

Cultural issues may be coming into play, Anderson said. Rodeo are announced in high-decibel Spanish. The music is Mexican as well.

“If it were country-and-western music, I don’t think we’d have as many complaints or as much resistance to it,” he said.

Haley Nelson said having her home awash in Spanish contributed to the problem. “I wouldn’t mind if I could understand it,” she said.

Vincent agreed that the problem may have a cultural dimension, but said the main issue was volume.

There is no entertainment equivalent to a Mexican rodeo in the Anglo community, Anderson said. “It’s a combination rodeo-slash-concert-slash-dance,” he said.

April’s event drew 1,100 people who paid between $30 and $44 for almost six hours of entertainment, Anderson said. May’s rodeo attracted 700. Rodeos run from 3 to 8:30 p.m., he said.

Mexican rodeos have been happening on and off for years, Anderson said. He has booked five rodeos this year — basically one a month during good weather — with promoter Raul Rivas of San Leandro. The next one is June 15.

The promoter pays the Expo a minimum of $1,800 per event, with the Expo earning extra money from beer and food sales.

Rivas, who runs rodeos in Napa and in Oakland near McAfee Coliseum, was turned down earlier this month when he applied to move his Oakland events to Castro Valley.

Citing problems at Rivas rodeos in the 1990s, the Hayward Area Recreation and Park District refused to let him return to the Rowell Ranch Rodeo Park from which he was banned in 1999.

Hayward offered to let Rivas put on rodeos if alcohol were eliminated and music were scaled back, but Rivas said that wouldn’t work, according to a report on InsideBayArea.com. “In our culture we have music with the rodeo,” he told the board.

Register efforts to reach Rivas’ organization for comment were unsuccessful.

The Expo insists that noise not exceed 90 decibels at a point 100 feet from the source, said Anderson, who said he carries a decibel meter during events. Noise at recent rodeos was under 90 decibels “95 percent of the time,” he said.

Rodeos feature three to four bands. Some groups will crank it up and have to be told to dial it back, he said.

The rodeos are the loudest events on the Expo’s schedule except for the August fair, Anderson said. “In my opinion they’re quieter than the Plaza Stage at fair time,” he said.

If the Expo were a regular commercial enterprise under city control, it would be limited to 60 decibels at the property line, Honey said.

Sixty decibels is the equivalent of conversational speech, while 90 decibels in similar to the sound of a heavy truck.

Acoustics at the fairgrounds aren’t always predictable, Anderson said. Wind can carry the sound. Although the grandstand speakers face west, music and PA announcements can bounce off the bleachers into east Napa, he said.

Anderson said he would be talking to other fairgrounds about how they control noise near neighborhoods. He is forming a committee involving directors, police and residents to study the issue.

“We will sit down and talk to our neighbors,” Anderson said. “I don’t want them to be our enemies.”

He will report back to the board on June 24 at 1 p.m. with his recommendations.

Almost any outdoor event at the Expo generates police calls, even the Home and Garden Show earlier this month, Honey said.

“We tell people if you live next to a fairgrounds these events will happen time to time,” Honey said. “They think if you can hear it, it’s a violation. That’s not the case.”
75 comment(s)

cagirl wrote on May 30, 2008 6:25 AM:

" Napa Mayor Jill Techel, who received angry calls at City Hall, said she could sympathize with residents. “We’re concerned about quality of life, the ability to have a barbecue in your backyard without noise from another event,” she said. -- Really, Jill---when did you suddenly become concerned for quality of life for Napa residents??? "

cellsitegod wrote on May 30, 2008 6:35 AM:

" Did you notice right off the bat, Anderson throws in the race card to defend himself? Just as with the motorcycle races. People just want to live with a little peace and quiet. And maybe listen to their TV or stereo without having to turn it up. Just as with the "Fiesta De Napa", Anderson is showing his true colors by worrying about the profits of the Expo and not the community it serves. "

leavintown wrote on May 30, 2008 6:48 AM:

" I live north of First St. and i have heard that music loud and clear. I thought it was one of the neighbors having a fiesta around the corner, so I ended up driving around and couldn't believe where it was coming from. I could only imagine what the people that live next to the fair are going through. 90 decibels at a point 100 feet from the source? I think you decibel meter needs to be re-calibrated. "

NUHS67 wrote on May 30, 2008 6:49 AM:

" Why do people move next to airports complain about the noise? Why do people that move near the railroad complain about the noise? Why do people move next to fairgrounds complian about the noise? I guess they don't think before they buy. You moved there--live with it. "

tfytmp wrote on May 30, 2008 6:58 AM:

" Fair grounds can be very noisy at times. If they don't like the noise MOVE! "

napanee wrote on May 30, 2008 7:11 AM:

" Don't worry neighbors, when someone "important" moves in like the Ritz Carlton it will be shut down. "

Firewater wrote on May 30, 2008 7:17 AM:

" Where have I been, I didn't
even know they had Rodeo's monthly? "

GregN. wrote on May 30, 2008 7:26 AM:

" Unfourtunately, we have left the decision making in Anderson's hand; and this means no change will probably happen.

Enjoy the reigns while it lasts Anderson! "

WHY wrote on May 30, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Let's get the flat track racing back to the fairgrounds. I used to love going down there with my dad to watch the races. I think more people would go to that every friday and saturday night. "

cathyodom wrote on May 30, 2008 8:29 AM:

" napanee, great point! I bet the Mexican Rodeo will LEAVE when the Ritz Carlton arrives!!! "

auntielmo wrote on May 30, 2008 8:33 AM:

" I live @ 1st & Juarez St. for 7 years now. Its just been in the last 2 years, maybe 3 years that the mexican music from the fairgrounds happens every single weekend until 8, 9 sometimes even 10 at night. I wish we only had to deal with it once a month. Or 5 times this summer as it states in the article. But I know that wont happen. I love living by the fairgrounds. But the mexican
music every weekend is too much. "

denny pena wrote on May 30, 2008 8:37 AM:

" One Last thing stop complaining move if you dont like it get a life man "

Dwayne wrote on May 30, 2008 8:44 AM:

" "Anderson is forming a committee".....

I'm laughing so hard I can barely type this... "

ECHO wrote on May 30, 2008 8:57 AM:

" I've lived in Fairview Terrace for close to 20 years and have never experienced noise levels of this magnitude. The Speedway races, the fair and it's concerts have never been this loud. On Sunday we had the doors and windows closed and had to crank up the volume just to watch T.V. This year is the first time that we called to complain about noise at the fairgrounds and the dispatcher could hear it loud and clear from inside our closed up home.
"Newcomers"? Please this neighborhood is full of longtime residents. It's only been recently that the noise has increased to such a drastic level.
Keep your Rodeos just keep the noise level down so that it does not disturb the peace and infringe on your neighbors quality of life. "

jimmie wrote on May 30, 2008 9:04 AM:

" I can't BELIEVE the insulting comments coming from Anderson. I haven't even finished the article and I can say that these events are way over the top in terms of volume. It's that simple. It has NOTHING to do with what cultural event it is, country and western vs. a Mexican-based rodeo. Most of the residential neighborhood is quite well established, NOT newcomers. Offensive comments to all of us within earshot of these events. THEY ARE TURNED UP TOO LOUD!!! CAN YOU HEAR THAT!!!! Anderson, get outta town!!! "

grape wrote on May 30, 2008 9:11 AM:

" Firewater, I too didn't know about these rodeos until late last year when a Mexican girl I met told me about them.

This is why I was so surprised when I heard that the Fair was going to take on a Fiesta theme this year...I was thinking "don't they already have their rodeos all summer long?" "

kevin wrote on May 30, 2008 9:12 AM:

" So if they are able to stop the activities at the fairgrounds because of the preceived noise level (I would be amazed if the level approached 55 at the person's house, a normal level for conversation) I can assume that the Napa High stadium will also stop having football games. These games can clearly be heard all over North Napa... "

Skip M. wrote on May 30, 2008 9:37 AM:

" When I was a kid, we had 4-H rodeos at the fairgrounds a few times a year. These were always held in the morning and were generally done by a little after noon. The only professional rodeos were during the fair.

City officials claim they have no control over noise levels emanating from state owned property. Oh really? So if I buy a piece of property near a residential area, install professional sound equipment, and begin blasting Rock and Roll at all hours, the police will not be able to do anything because I own the property? I sure hope you like Aerosmith! "

Skip M. wrote on May 30, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Denny Pena: Some of these people OWN those homes. Some have OWNED their homes there for a very long time. Just pulling up stakes and moving is not a reasonable solution. Even for those who rent in that area, moving is a very disruptive endeavor. How about Expo and the rodeo producers respect the community? "

reason-ator wrote on May 30, 2008 9:50 AM:

" To all the people who say that 'the people complaining should move.', I want to say this-

If people complaining about noise bothers you, maybe YOU should move to somewhere where people don't complain about noise.

Wow, that was easy to SAY. No wonder everyone says it so easily. Problem solved ! "

Spuddy wrote on May 30, 2008 9:57 AM:

" I too live in the area and have for 9 years I've anticipated the occasional fairs, circus, concerts knowing this when I moved to this area but when our Sunday dinners outside consists of having to listen to someone else’s choice in music it is ridiculous. Our Sunday dinners outside for the last few years did not include this background noise.
I didn't choose to live near an airport I choose to live in town where certain tolerable city noise is acceptable. I live far enough away from the fairgrounds that I shouldn't have to "attend" something I don't want to. "

misfit wrote on May 30, 2008 10:08 AM:

" I don't understand the mean spirited comments from some of the posters on this issue.
Unless you have a personal stake in these events, why is it so offensive to you that the residents would have concerns about the noise level at these concerts? All we need is a compromise and remarks like, "If you don't like it, MOVE" are out of line.
I have always appreciated the Hispanic community here. I could care less whether they are legally here or not. I don't view the world as someone always trying to take something from me. I basically try to have gratitude for what I do have.
But, this is what the residents of the Fairview area deal with on a daily basis:
Commuter traffic noise, including trucks and motorcycles beginning at 4a.m every weekday morning. On weekends, it doesn't change except with the addition of large roups of Harley Davidsons, who's riders choose to take the "Scenic route" through Napa via Silverado Trail. The weekend traffic noise is worse than the weekday noise so, basically there is not one day of peace to be had at home. Adding the noise from these rodeos, and then the really big rodeo that happens for 4 nights late in Summer is "Over the Top". Telling us to move is about as mean spirited as it gets and I don't understand why someone would take that view? How does our concern regarding this additional impact to our peaceful weekends, impact you? Why so offended? Why don't YOU take your meanness and move out of Napa. We don't need YOUR kind here! "

707jng wrote on May 30, 2008 10:10 AM:

" I agree with Denny Pena, if you buy a home next to a fairground you should probably consider the fact that there is going to be events all summer long and that it may get a little noisy. They don't complain about the fair every year... BUT then again, I have no idea what it's like in the neighborhood. However, judging by a certain comment it seems like if it were a white rodeo and not a mexican rodeo the neighbors would be more accepting....
... having her home awash in Spanish contributed to the problem. “I wouldn’t mind if I could understand it,” she said "

misfit wrote on May 30, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Oh yeah...I hate country music too, in fact it's worse!
So don't be so condescending and clearly there was an effort by Joe Anderson to make this a racial issue! How dare you Joe! "

707jng wrote on May 30, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Kevin~ good point! I hear the Napa High games every time they have a game. And I don't even like football, but yet I have to deal with it! Just like the folks by the fairgrounds should just deal with it. It's not like it happens every night. "

onthetrail wrote on May 30, 2008 10:23 AM:

" I have lived across the street from the Expo for 9 years, and YES, when I bought my house, I was prepared for, even welcomed the occasional noise, traffic and people, afterall I wanted to live in an urban enviroment, not boring suburbia, BUT, what I didn't sign-up for is noise so loud that windows rattle, not being able to enjoy my backyard, (forget the frontyard!!) without getting a headache by the end of the day from blaring 'music' across the street. A few comments made by Mr Anderson are laughable. 1 - These events may officially start at 3 and go until 8:30, BUT, they start their LOUD 'soundchecks' around 1:30 and don't usually wrap-up the music till closer to 9... so basically the day is shot, as far as workin out in my yard or having a bar-b-que. Also these 'rodeos' are usually on Sundays - a worknight for most people. 2 - It has only been the last 2 years that these "rodeos" have been this loud and disruptive. 3 - he is going to "sit down and talk with the neighbors" ??? I have left numerous msgs on his voicemail when these "rodeo's" occur, asking if the volumn can PLEASE be turned down and he has NEVER returned any of my calls. 4 - When events are held on the 'Plaza Stage' there is a major reduction in sound transmitted up into the east neighborhoods because of several large stuctures and trees on the EXPO property between us and them. As stated already, I am sure when the Ritz gets built, it will put an end to this...people paying 500 bucks a night aren't going to enjoy listening to screaming announcers and mexican music for 7 hours straight. "

misfit wrote on May 30, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Some cheering for 3 hours doesn't compare to 6 hours of constant loud music and roaring from the emcee. Come by some day and hang out at my house and listen to it. I'll have a barbecue for anyone who would like to come experience it. I have made "Peace" with it however, if we could reach a compromise, I would prefer that. "

Dutchgirl wrote on May 30, 2008 10:39 AM:

" I live blocks away in the Silverado Garden appartments on Winding Way and that's NOT considered right next to the fairgrounds.(It is between 1st Street and Lincoln Avenue). I have lived there for 22 years and this Rodeo thing is the loudest event I've ever heard. The announcer loves to hear himself talk very loudly and the music is equally loud. I have to close my doors and windows for 5 hours straight. If I can hear it THAT loudly, then I really can't imagine what it must be like for the poor longtime residents that live around the fairgrounds.
It is very obnoxious and even a guy that I work with who lives off Jefferson Street can hear it at HIS house...They should move this kind of event to outside of town or at the NV College grounds. (yeah, like they want it there) It has nothing to do with it being a hispanic event. My downstairs neighbors are hispanic and they hate the noise as well... Something needs to be done. "

ECHO wrote on May 30, 2008 10:42 AM:

" I'm am soo tired of people making this a racial issue. No one is complaining about the rodeo we're complaining about the fact that it can be heard loud and clear from great distances. It was heard at Silverado Middle School and Oak Leaf Ranch Development where they usually don't hear events at the fair grounds.
The music was TOO LOUD, regardless if it would have been heavy metal, opera, rap, western or any thing else. "

Paddy wrote on May 30, 2008 10:51 AM:

" I've lived in my house for 14 years and these Rodeo's are, by far, the most intrusive events that happen at the Fairgrounds.
I love living near the Fairgrounds but the in-your-face attitude of Joe Anderson is an insult to Napa and those of us who are neighbors of the Fairgrounds. "

Paddy wrote on May 30, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Mindless comments from those believing everyone who complains should pack up and leave is to be expected. They speak volumes about the individual making them.
I've yet to call the NPD about these events, though I came close last time, but I encourage everyone to now call the NPD instead of just having to 'take it'. Joe Anderson is out of control and needs to realize the Fairgrounds are not his kingdom to do as he likes. There will be repercussions for his poor attitude to Alta Heights and Napa. "

funnyme wrote on May 30, 2008 11:16 AM:

" napanee,
You took the words right out of my mou...hand.
By the time the Ritz/Carlton begins its construction, the Rodeo will be relocated (I hope not in my backyard).

Obviously Anderson has lost his perception of reality. Don't be mean spirited and feel compasion for the man. He is truly trying to accomodate EVERYBODY without hurting NOBODY's feelings...Gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette!

"...I wouldn’t mind if I could understand it,” she said..."
Would it make it better if they had two PA systems? One for Spanish and one for the translation in English? "

auntielmo wrote on May 30, 2008 11:18 AM:

" Good idea "Dutchgirl" . I think having it at the college is a great idea. "

savenapa wrote on May 30, 2008 11:24 AM:

" For all of those that suggest people should move if they don’t like it, I am not surprised, and that attitude is exactly what I’ve come expect from a large portion of the population. Just because it is the “culture” it does not give free rein to disturb the peace of residents. There are very clearly defined laws written into the county code (which is more forgiving than the city code) regarding sound pressure levels and when noise becomes unlawful. I suggest reading and learning the code, buying a decibel meter, taking measurements with witnesses present, and documenting them. Then put a fire under the NCO (county or city noise control officer). I forget what sound pressure level is allowable to penetrate your residence, but I believe it is around 60 db. Regardless, just because it is not a city sanctioned event, the rodeo must still keep things at a level that will not violate the peace of the residents. IF they do not suppress levels, they are opening themselves up to litigation and the city will be culpable for not bringing things down to a tolerable level. "

greyhoundgirl wrote on May 30, 2008 11:44 AM:

" I live on Terrace Dr. which has got to be at least 1/2 mile away from the farigrounds and I have to leave all day Sunday so I don't go crazy. Is living 1/2 mile away from a venue "Choosing" to live by it? When the destruction derby and other fair noises go on, it's no where close to same level of disruption as these rodeos. I've never had to leave my house before just to have sanity. These events are completely disrespectful to anyone within a mile radius. Furthermore is unecessary for there to be noise like this for people to have a good time. By all means, have fun, just don't make everyone around you miserable by doing so. Is there going to be a city hall meeting that the public can attend? "

topper wrote on May 30, 2008 12:33 PM:

" I live way up Montecito Blvd. and have for over 20 years. Back then it was motorcycles on Sunday nights, that was loud but NOTHING compared to this and it's not just the Rodeo. They also hold other weekend parties at the Fair Grounds, usually with a Mexican Theme. I have nothing against Mexican Music, in fact, I rather like it, but this is very invasive and relentless. For Joe Andersen to claim that it does not go above the 90 decibles allowed, sorry but I just don't believe it. If that were true, why can I hear it so loud half a mile away? You sir, are doing more to damage multi cultural relations in this town than any other individual that I know. Make them follow the rules or toss them out. If they are following the rules and you still receive this many complaints, you need to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! "Some groups will crank it up and have to be told to dial it back" What?? They should already know how loud they can play, if they ignore you toss them out and don't let them back. You're pandering to these people and making them unwanted by their neighbors. "

Dutchgirl wrote on May 30, 2008 1:36 PM:

" I have e-mailed Mayor Techel today and I am hoping that she will do something about this issue. "

Dutchgirl wrote on May 30, 2008 1:46 PM:

" P.S. I am from Amsterdam - Holland and I would complain just as hard if my own "peeps" would be doing the Dutch wooden shoe dance at the same noise level. "

frenchtoast wrote on May 30, 2008 2:23 PM:

" I live on the Trail and Second and, yes, this is the most obnoxious announcing/music ever, but at least it's only once a month. I would be picketing to shut it down if this was happening more often, but I think w/ the volume of the announcing (specifically) toned down a bit (he speaks over the loud music to be heard), it will be okay to compromise for a little fun for fair/rodeo attenders. If it's got that many fans, all can compromise. There will always be complainers - for the "chef's market," the annual fair, the Oxbow, etc. Can't please everyone...But, having said my peace, the music sounds like an everlasting carnival from hell! I'd rather hear Celine Dion ( gag!)... "

make napa better wrote on May 30, 2008 2:30 PM:

" I started to read the other comments and I just can't wade thru the crap. No one, I mean No one likes to hear music from their neighbors yard. I don't like country, some wouldn't like to hear Pantera in their yard. Everyone is different. We need to get the Rodeo to turn themselves down.

I remember the motorcycle races! I went a couple of times. There was just the bikes and the announcer. Not HOURS of bands and music afterwards. THAT may be the problem. The Rodeo is one thing, the fiesta after is something completely different.


Oh, and does this mean, if I was to put 5 bands or so together and pay the 1800- so they could play and the Expo would sell beer?

This could be the answer to the "what is there for kids to do in this town" problem!!!! I remember back when I was in high school "someone" used to put on a battle of the bands type scenario and local bands would come play ALL DAY!

Or someone could actually get a "Decent Band" to play and the money from the door would pay for the expo.

Or even bands YOUNG people ACTUALLY LIKE at the Town and County fair. They ruined it this year making it a Fiesta theme but MAYBE next year.... Just something to think about.... "

momtoo wrote on May 30, 2008 2:45 PM:

" I live quite a ways up the hill in Alta heights and my windows shake on sunday afternoons! I would hardly consider that living "next to" the fairgrounds. When any other events are going on, there is that "distant noise" thing which is fine, but this rodeo seriously sounds like it is in my backyard. I don't care what kind of nationality is throwing a party, the music needs to be turned down.Period. "

napat wrote on May 30, 2008 4:51 PM:

" I've lived in Alta Heights for 31 yrs. now, so don't anyone tell me to move if I don't like it. I have nothing against Mexican music, but it seems like it gets louder and louder every year. Enough is enough! Tone it down or move out of town. "

russ wrote on May 30, 2008 4:53 PM:

" I live near Silverado Middle School and was blasted out of my Docksiders. I walk my chihuahua, Guapo, in Tulocay cemetery; Guapo covered his ears and cried because of the noise.

It ain't about race, it ain't about Mexican, IT IS ABOUT DECIBELS and durationnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

There must be a city ordinance on nuisance noise level, i.e., DECIBELS!!. Measure it! "

onthetrail wrote on May 30, 2008 5:27 PM:

" Joe Anderson's arrogance is unbelievable! The majority of home owners surrounding the EXPO are fully aware of and accept the consequences of living so close to such a venue. We do our part to clean up the trash left in our yards, deal with people parking in front of our homes, many times nearly closing off access to our driveways and cope with the dust and noise that drifts up into our homes from the unpaved entrances to the parking field. We, for the most part, do this because we know that it is only 5 or 6 times a year that we are inconvenienced. The LEAST Mr Anderson could do for his part, is keep the volume at a reasonable level and try any way he can to be considerate of his neighbors and if he cannot enforce the rules on the books, (believe me, the decibel level at my house, which is at least 500 ft from the source was WELL over 90!! The police dispatcher could not even hear me speakin as i stood on my front porch!!)
then perhaps he needs to be replaced with someone who will.

ARE YOU LISTENING TO US, BOARD OF DIRECTORS????? "

denny pena wrote on May 30, 2008 5:27 PM:

" why do people have to complain about this if you choose to live next to the fair grounds expect to live this way.... theres is a reason why its the fair grounds i work at a western wear store and we sale the tickets for those events next one is in a couple of weeks be ready and just because its mexican music dont complain would you complain if they brought some one that song in english and was your favorite singer? i would really like to know "

dahlia wrote on May 30, 2008 6:01 PM:

" Sure would be great if the fairgrounds moved to napa pipe "

savenapa wrote on May 30, 2008 6:39 PM:

" denny pena - yes I would complain "

MarkMiwords wrote on May 30, 2008 7:01 PM:

" Over-the-top decibels for extended periods of time equates to hearing loss. This is a health issue for the neighbors as well as the patrons of these events. ENFORCE the noise ordinances. If Anderson is unwilling to do so, then he should be replaced with someone who is. "

momtoo wrote on May 30, 2008 8:12 PM:

" denny pena- Yes I would complain if it was my favorite singer. Why? Because I'm not at the event. I'm at my home, doing my own thing.Maybe I have a headache, maybe I have a baby trying to nap, maybe I don't care to listen to music at that moment in time, or for several hours straight. Alta heights is a VERY quiet neighborhood. I live here because of that. No other event at the fairgrounds is this loud, not even the fair. Is it really too much to ask to turn it down a few decibels? really? I don't think a single person has said to stop the whole event, just to turn it down a bit. It's a very neighborly thing to do. "

if you can't beat 'em... wrote on May 30, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Viva el rodeo!
This is no different from when we lived downtown and listened to "private party" concerts at Headfeathers every Sunday night. "

leavintown wrote on May 31, 2008 7:22 AM:

" Go figure..... My last comment was not posted. I think it was because I said the "M" word. I will try to make it more to the liking of the moderator once again.

There would be a full blow riot if this rodeo got shut down for noise violation. Screaming "Discrimination!!" So it will never get shut down or even have the volume turned down a bit. It will never happen.

Just tone it down a little bit. I don't like the music, don't like the culture, but since I live in Napa, I guess I have deal with it somewhat. But I don't want to listen to their music on Sunday for hours. Why does it need to be that loud? "

nana06 wrote on May 31, 2008 9:07 AM:

" I would just like to say that for many people the mexican rodeos are a form of intertanment and its part of our culture and traditions. For many years Latinos and more specifically Mexicans have had to go out of Napa in order to have some fun. Having the Mexican Rodeos in Napa is a FANTASTIC thing!I dont understand how people can say that it disrupts their sunday evenings..."the rodeos only happen once every month"...I think the Napa community can sacrafice a few ours of their sunday time...
People should get to know a little more about the culture and traditions before they start complaing. Mexicans are a HUGE part of the Napa community and they should be able to have their own time for intertainment!!! "

onthetrail wrote on May 31, 2008 11:03 AM:

" nana06 -

I dont know how I (or most of the other poster's on here) can be any clearer. WE ARE NOT AGAINST A RODEO OR ANY OTHER HISPANIC CELEBRATION! We are simply asking that the Expo control the volume!

Would you like me to come over and set up a few speakers and a microphone a block from your house and blast music, all the while yelling in the microphone so loud that your windows shake and rattle for uh, lets say 6 hours? And maybe I can plan it for the same day as your son is having his 5th birthday party and u can move the whole thing indoors even though it is a beautiful day out?
How's that work for you?

And just one more question - since I am going to sacrifice one sunday a month for you, what do you plan on sacrificing for me?

This is not a race issue!
It is about common courtesy between neighbors. "

momtoo wrote on May 31, 2008 11:45 AM:

" nana06- I think most people are fine with having the rodeo, I don't think anyone said it shouldn't be allowed. we just think it should be turned down a bit. It is SUPER LOUD. If I was your neighbor and was playing my music super loud on a quiet sunday afternoon and you asked me to turn it down a bit I would. It would be the same if it was a Lawrence Welk concert, a metallica concert or a beatles concert. Too loud, turn it down. some guy screaming over music for hours straight is not fun, no matter the what the heritage, culture or point of it all is. "

mytwocents wrote on May 31, 2008 10:43 PM:

" In response to Mr Andersons comment in regard to country western music - I don't appreciate your generalization of Napans. It should be clear by now it's not the type of music; nor is it the culture, it's the noise level. I live off East Ave near Lincoln and I hear it several blocks away. "

109823 wrote on Jun 1, 2008 12:46 AM:

" I sympathize with those who live near the expo. I don't think I could be that patient. I can remember years ago when homes and trailer parks starting popping up around the old Vallejo Speedway and it wasn't long before the new neighbors were complaining about the noise. Well before too long the Speedway was closed down and it was there first. Didn't seem fair to the race track. Maybe just think of this as a tune up for the Fiesta de Napa. Just remember it all starts at the top if the Mayor, Chief of Police, Sherriff or any one of numerous other officials lived near this sideshow and their Sunday ruined, it would have already been closed down. "

savenapa wrote on Jun 1, 2008 11:13 AM:

" We should not be confused by the facts surrounding this promoter. It should be telling us something when we learn that other communities have banned his circus. He has made it clear that he will not compromise or work toward a solution. Mr. Anderson is obviously too intoxicated from profit to see the reality of the situation. "

make napa better wrote on Jun 1, 2008 12:41 PM:

" nana06
" I would just like to say that for many people the mexican rodeos are a form of intertanment and its part of our culture and traditions. For many years Latinos and more specifically Mexicans have had to go out of Napa in order to have some fun. Having the Mexican Rodeos in Napa is a FANTASTIC thing!I dont understand how people can say that it disrupts their sunday evenings..."the rodeos only happen once every month"...I think the Napa community can sacrafice a few ours of their sunday time..."



WHAT ABOUT US NAPANS!!???!! We have to go out of town to do ANYTHING FUN!!! "

VJ07 wrote on Jun 1, 2008 1:04 PM:

" To all the residents who live anywhere near this rodeo event, I apologize for the inconsideration that the rodeo organizers have towards you---our loyal, local, law abiding citizens. And for those who insist on crying racism... "Boo-Who". You are clearly missing the whole point! "

VJ07 wrote on Jun 1, 2008 1:19 PM:

" Once again, we have standards in this country, and we should consider each other and have respect for our neighbors. Maybe calling the ice agents would quiet them down. Just a thought, hmmmmmm...... "

barefoot wrote on Jun 1, 2008 6:15 PM:

" Bose has noise cancelling headphones. There are also noise cancelling loudspeakers. They use them at some airports. By producing a sound wave that is "opposite" of the undesired sound at the same volume, it cancels both sounds. By strategically placing these noise cancelling loudspeakers around the property, perhaps everybody will be happy. "

momtoo wrote on Jun 1, 2008 7:06 PM:

" barefoot-seriously? You expect us to wear sound cancelling headphones for 6 hours on a sunday afternoon and evening? the solution is SIMPLE...turn it down a little! If everyone at the event can hear it at "LOUD" then why must it be cranked to "LOUDEST"? what is the point? Just to obnoxious? "

Suze wrote on Jun 1, 2008 9:20 PM:

" Obviously Mr Anderson cares little for the quality of life of the many residents in the Fairground vicinity. Mariachi bands can be fun, but in small doses, moderate volume, and definitely not on a Sunday - a day of rest and repose for most folk. I wonder if he cares about the livestock used in these Mexican Rodeos. I am assuming he has had the go ahead from the Humane Society, and that these rodeos are being run in full compliance with U.S. rules and regulations for such events. Rodeo can be a little hard on critters, Mexican Rodeo can be particularly hard on horses. I have not been to any of these rodeos - not my cup of tea, but I have read that the wild horse roping events are particularly savage because of the fright, permanent injuries and sometimes death inflicted on the terrified victims who are roped by one leg from a full gallop. Skill indeed, but this is 2008 and there is a lot of stuff we just don't need to do anymore for many reasons. Not the least that we tend to feel more compassion and the stark necessity is no longer there. I certainly feel compassion for the Fairground neighbors! Glad I live a bit further north. "

napamatt wrote on Jun 1, 2008 9:58 PM:

" Okay, its Sunday night at 9:54pm and its not a Rodeo night apparently and yet the music blares out. I moved here in 1994, long before Mr. Anderson and his racist charges, I fully understand that one weekend in August is about the fair and we all live quite comfortably with the expected extra noise, what doesn't sit so well are the charges of racism when we dont want to listen to loud music every sunday and up to 10 and later.
As for the 8:30 curfew for rodeo's I wisyh tonight was a rodeo night, the music would not be playing now. If you have an outdoor wedding anywhere in the county you cant make this much noise. Quite typically our wonderful government (at every self serving level) chooses to exempt itself from its own rules. "

AndiSmith wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:37 AM:

" If I read the article correctly it seems to me you are all wasting your time complaining to and about the Napa government and their apparent failure to fix this. The Expo is state owned, and not required to obey Napa's noise ordinances. If it really offends and bothers you, don't call the mayor, call your congressman. Call the Governator, Do what you have to do, but the county and the city can't control the Expo, it isn't theirs to command. "

bianca wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:18 AM:

" As long as we are complaining.... what about the sprint races in calistoga, hmmm...

RAWRRRRRRRRR!!! ... non stop for 3 days 'till 10:30pm... "

Farmerchick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Give Joe Anderson a break, and some credit for doing something besides a home and garden show at our fairgrounds! True, the rodeos are noisy, I can hear them out in East Napa, perfectly! I just think it is great that there is life and activity at our fairgrounds. All of the problems are easily dealt with: turn the volume down, have the Humane Society monitor the rodeos and thank goodness we live in such a great place! "

savenapa wrote on Jun 2, 2008 12:40 PM:

" Mr. Anderson is the one who has a moral obligation to give the Napa residents a break, not the other way around. If all these problems are so easily taken care of (which I tend to agree), I will advocate giving Mr. Anderson a break when he shows that he is a capable manager by eliminating the problems. However, he has exacerbated the problems by accusing Napa residents of racism. I hardly think that shows mature management capabilities. "

Skip M. wrote on Jun 2, 2008 5:31 PM:

" A note for those that live near the fairgrounds: You can buy good decibel meter at a local “Shack” that sells “Radios” (hint, hint). The equipment will cost you about $50.00 and give you hard data to argue with Mr. Anderson. "

barefoot wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:05 PM:

" Momtoo, I am sorry you misunderstood what I was trying to say. They have these really big loudspeakers at these airports. If you're near one you can hardly hear the jets take off. No headphones needed. I was merely referring to the Bose technology. Good point though. I certainly wouldn't wear headphones for any other reason than I want to. "

MarkMiwords wrote on Jun 3, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Barefoot: I think your "sound-canceling" speakers idea is brilliant. So, why can't the fairgrounds take some of its profits and spend it on something that would fix the problem once and for all? "

Cadence wrote on Jun 3, 2008 2:19 PM:

" Bianca!
Can you really hear those cars all the way from CALISTOGA?
Great scott!!
There must be some sort of hearing contest you can enter and win. I'm calling the Guinness Record Book people right now; I hope they offer a finder's fee. "

MarkMiwords wrote on Jun 3, 2008 4:07 PM:

" We can see & hear Calitoga's fireworks in downtown St. Helena. We can also hear the Sprint Car races. The sound is carries 7 to 8 miles. "

Bianca wrote on Jun 4, 2008 8:25 AM:

" Cadence...

I live in calistoga, right across the street from the fairgrounds...

i apologize for not making my self clear..

0_o? "

LMW wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:52 PM:

" Anderson, needs to be removed. Not the man for job. Boot this guy out and all neighbors, no more being nice guys to fairgrounds. Home was on Fairview Drive, dealt many times with fairground guest and also called city many times for water leaks and other property housekeeping they poorly did not keep up with. Now I see why conditions of Expo never improve, and actually the events here don't do that great anyway...Poor leadership, bring on new energy, positive energy...Anderson comments, time to go, but first apologize. Comments for Ritz when they come to town, you will never ever have to deal with such poor leadership and they would never ignore the communities quality of life. "

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