Rodeo noise irks neighbors
Expo fields complaints during weekend events
By KEVIN COURTNEY
Register Staff Writer
Slammed by loud music on Sunday afternoons and evenings from Mexican rodeos, neighbors are asking
Napa Valley Expo to turn down the sound.
Homes east of Silverado Trail hear five and a half hours of live bands, bullriding and an exuberant PA announcer when the Mexican rodeo comes to town.
“It is an invasion,” said Shelly Nelson, a resident on Fairview Drive. She normally likes living by the fairgrounds and doesn’t mind the sounds of the Napa Town and Country Fair in August, but these rodeos are something else, she said.
“My room is the farthest room. I can hear it perfectly. I can hear everything. The windows rattle,” said Shelly Nelson, her 14-year-old daughter.
“I assure you Sunday afternoons are ruined,” said Charles Vincent of Capitola Court. Vincent insisted he’s not a noise prude, but rodeo cacophony is “over the top.”
Napa police received more than a dozen complaints during the first rodeo of the season on April 20, said Sgt. Don Honey. “Officers went into the Alta Heights area and said it was pretty bad,” he said.
The volume was turned down when police contacted Expo CEO Joe Anderson, Honey said. Other than noise, the rodeos have been disturbance-free this year, he said.
Police did not more directly intervene because the Expo, as a state-owned facility, is not subject to city noise standards, Honey said. “We don’t have any rules that say what they can do on state property,” he said.
Napa Mayor Jill Techel, who received angry calls at City Hall, said she could sympathize with residents. “We’re concerned about quality of life, the ability to have a barbecue in your backyard without noise from another event,” she said.
CEO Anderson told Expo directors this week that he will be talking with police and residents to see whether a tighter rein needs to be placed on outdoor sound.
The Expo has been hosting loud events for decades, including weekly motorcycle races that stopped more than a decade ago, Anderson said. Outdoor concerts are always problematic, he said.
“You go to any live concert and it’s loud,” Anderson said in an interview. “That’s what a live concert is.”
Several factors may explain the surge in complaints over the rodeos, Anderson told directors. For one thing, the Expo at Third and Silverado is surrounded by more newcomers who don’t necessarily appreciate that the fairgrounds were there first.
Cultural issues may be coming into play, Anderson said. Rodeo are announced in high-decibel Spanish. The music is Mexican as well.
“If it were country-and-western music, I don’t think we’d have as many complaints or as much resistance to it,” he said.
Haley Nelson said having her home awash in Spanish contributed to the problem. “I wouldn’t mind if I could understand it,” she said.
Vincent agreed that the problem may have a cultural dimension, but said the main issue was volume.
There is no entertainment equivalent to a Mexican rodeo in the Anglo community, Anderson said. “It’s a combination rodeo-slash-concert-slash-dance,” he said.
April’s event drew 1,100 people who paid between $30 and $44 for almost six hours of entertainment, Anderson said. May’s rodeo attracted 700. Rodeos run from 3 to 8:30 p.m., he said.
Mexican rodeos have been happening on and off for years, Anderson said. He has booked five rodeos this year — basically one a month during good weather — with promoter Raul Rivas of San Leandro. The next one is June 15.
The promoter pays the Expo a minimum of $1,800 per event, with the Expo earning extra money from beer and food sales.
Rivas, who runs rodeos in Napa and in Oakland near McAfee Coliseum, was turned down earlier this month when he applied to move his Oakland events to Castro Valley.
Citing problems at Rivas rodeos in the 1990s, the Hayward Area Recreation and Park District refused to let him return to the Rowell Ranch Rodeo Park from which he was banned in 1999.
Hayward offered to let Rivas put on rodeos if alcohol were eliminated and music were scaled back, but Rivas said that wouldn’t work, according to a report on InsideBayArea.com. “In our culture we have music with the rodeo,” he told the board.
Register efforts to reach Rivas’ organization for comment were unsuccessful.
The Expo insists that noise not exceed 90 decibels at a point 100 feet from the source, said Anderson, who said he carries a decibel meter during events. Noise at recent rodeos was under 90 decibels “95 percent of the time,” he said.
Rodeos feature three to four bands. Some groups will crank it up and have to be told to dial it back, he said.
The rodeos are the loudest events on the Expo’s schedule except for the August fair, Anderson said. “In my opinion they’re quieter than the Plaza Stage at fair time,” he said.
If the Expo were a regular commercial enterprise under city control, it would be limited to 60 decibels at the property line, Honey said.
Sixty decibels is the equivalent of conversational speech, while 90 decibels in similar to the sound of a heavy truck.
Acoustics at the fairgrounds aren’t always predictable, Anderson said. Wind can carry the sound. Although the grandstand speakers face west, music and PA announcements can bounce off the bleachers into east Napa, he said.
Anderson said he would be talking to other fairgrounds about how they control noise near neighborhoods. He is forming a committee involving directors, police and residents to study the issue.
“We will sit down and talk to our neighbors,” Anderson said. “I don’t want them to be our enemies.”
He will report back to the board on June 24 at 1 p.m. with his recommendations.
Almost any outdoor event at the Expo generates police calls, even the Home and Garden Show earlier this month, Honey said.
“We tell people if you live next to a fairgrounds these events will happen time to time,” Honey said. “They think if you can hear it, it’s a violation. That’s not the case.”
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cagirl wrote on May 30, 2008 6:25 AM:
cellsitegod wrote on May 30, 2008 6:35 AM:
leavintown wrote on May 30, 2008 6:48 AM:
NUHS67 wrote on May 30, 2008 6:49 AM:
tfytmp wrote on May 30, 2008 6:58 AM:
napanee wrote on May 30, 2008 7:11 AM:
Firewater wrote on May 30, 2008 7:17 AM:
even know they had Rodeo's monthly? "
GregN. wrote on May 30, 2008 7:26 AM:
Enjoy the reigns while it lasts Anderson! "
WHY wrote on May 30, 2008 8:22 AM:
cathyodom wrote on May 30, 2008 8:29 AM:
auntielmo wrote on May 30, 2008 8:33 AM:
music every weekend is too much. "
denny pena wrote on May 30, 2008 8:37 AM:
Dwayne wrote on May 30, 2008 8:44 AM:
I'm laughing so hard I can barely type this... "
ECHO wrote on May 30, 2008 8:57 AM:
"Newcomers"? Please this neighborhood is full of longtime residents. It's only been recently that the noise has increased to such a drastic level.
Keep your Rodeos just keep the noise level down so that it does not disturb the peace and infringe on your neighbors quality of life. "
jimmie wrote on May 30, 2008 9:04 AM:
grape wrote on May 30, 2008 9:11 AM:
This is why I was so surprised when I heard that the Fair was going to take on a Fiesta theme this year...I was thinking "don't they already have their rodeos all summer long?" "
kevin wrote on May 30, 2008 9:12 AM:
Skip M. wrote on May 30, 2008 9:37 AM:
City officials claim they have no control over noise levels emanating from state owned property. Oh really? So if I buy a piece of property near a residential area, install professional sound equipment, and begin blasting Rock and Roll at all hours, the police will not be able to do anything because I own the property? I sure hope you like Aerosmith! "
Skip M. wrote on May 30, 2008 9:41 AM:
reason-ator wrote on May 30, 2008 9:50 AM:
If people complaining about noise bothers you, maybe YOU should move to somewhere where people don't complain about noise.
Wow, that was easy to SAY. No wonder everyone says it so easily. Problem solved ! "
Spuddy wrote on May 30, 2008 9:57 AM:
I didn't choose to live near an airport I choose to live in town where certain tolerable city noise is acceptable. I live far enough away from the fairgrounds that I shouldn't have to "attend" something I don't want to. "
misfit wrote on May 30, 2008 10:08 AM:
Unless you have a personal stake in these events, why is it so offensive to you that the residents would have concerns about the noise level at these concerts? All we need is a compromise and remarks like, "If you don't like it, MOVE" are out of line.
I have always appreciated the Hispanic community here. I could care less whether they are legally here or not. I don't view the world as someone always trying to take something from me. I basically try to have gratitude for what I do have.
But, this is what the residents of the Fairview area deal with on a daily basis:
Commuter traffic noise, including trucks and motorcycles beginning at 4a.m every weekday morning. On weekends, it doesn't change except with the addition of large roups of Harley Davidsons, who's riders choose to take the "Scenic route" through Napa via Silverado Trail. The weekend traffic noise is worse than the weekday noise so, basically there is not one day of peace to be had at home. Adding the noise from these rodeos, and then the really big rodeo that happens for 4 nights late in Summer is "Over the Top". Telling us to move is about as mean spirited as it gets and I don't understand why someone would take that view? How does our concern regarding this additional impact to our peaceful weekends, impact you? Why so offended? Why don't YOU take your meanness and move out of Napa. We don't need YOUR kind here! "
707jng wrote on May 30, 2008 10:10 AM:
... having her home awash in Spanish contributed to the problem. “I wouldn’t mind if I could understand it,” she said "
misfit wrote on May 30, 2008 10:10 AM:
So don't be so condescending and clearly there was an effort by Joe Anderson to make this a racial issue! How dare you Joe! "
707jng wrote on May 30, 2008 10:17 AM:
onthetrail wrote on May 30, 2008 10:23 AM:
misfit wrote on May 30, 2008 10:26 AM:
Dutchgirl wrote on May 30, 2008 10:39 AM:
It is very obnoxious and even a guy that I work with who lives off Jefferson Street can hear it at HIS house...They should move this kind of event to outside of town or at the NV College grounds. (yeah, like they want it there) It has nothing to do with it being a hispanic event. My downstairs neighbors are hispanic and they hate the noise as well... Something needs to be done. "
ECHO wrote on May 30, 2008 10:42 AM:
The music was TOO LOUD, regardless if it would have been heavy metal, opera, rap, western or any thing else. "
Paddy wrote on May 30, 2008 10:51 AM:
I love living near the Fairgrounds but the in-your-face attitude of Joe Anderson is an insult to Napa and those of us who are neighbors of the Fairgrounds. "
Paddy wrote on May 30, 2008 11:01 AM:
I've yet to call the NPD about these events, though I came close last time, but I encourage everyone to now call the NPD instead of just having to 'take it'. Joe Anderson is out of control and needs to realize the Fairgrounds are not his kingdom to do as he likes. There will be repercussions for his poor attitude to Alta Heights and Napa. "
funnyme wrote on May 30, 2008 11:16 AM:
You took the words right out of my mou...hand.
By the time the Ritz/Carlton begins its construction, the Rodeo will be relocated (I hope not in my backyard).
Obviously Anderson has lost his perception of reality. Don't be mean spirited and feel compasion for the man. He is truly trying to accomodate EVERYBODY without hurting NOBODY's feelings...Gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette!
"...I wouldn’t mind if I could understand it,” she said..."
Would it make it better if they had two PA systems? One for Spanish and one for the translation in English? "
auntielmo wrote on May 30, 2008 11:18 AM:
savenapa wrote on May 30, 2008 11:24 AM:
greyhoundgirl wrote on May 30, 2008 11:44 AM:
topper wrote on May 30, 2008 12:33 PM:
Dutchgirl wrote on May 30, 2008 1:36 PM:
Dutchgirl wrote on May 30, 2008 1:46 PM:
frenchtoast wrote on May 30, 2008 2:23 PM:
make napa better wrote on May 30, 2008 2:30 PM:
I remember the motorcycle races! I went a couple of times. There was just the bikes and the announcer. Not HOURS of bands and music afterwards. THAT may be the problem. The Rodeo is one thing, the fiesta after is something completely different.
Oh, and does this mean, if I was to put 5 bands or so together and pay the 1800- so they could play and the Expo would sell beer?
This could be the answer to the "what is there for kids to do in this town" problem!!!! I remember back when I was in high school "someone" used to put on a battle of the bands type scenario and local bands would come play ALL DAY!
Or someone could actually get a "Decent Band" to play and the money from the door would pay for the expo.
Or even bands YOUNG people ACTUALLY LIKE at the Town and County fair. They ruined it this year making it a Fiesta theme but MAYBE next year.... Just something to think about.... "
momtoo wrote on May 30, 2008 2:45 PM:
napat wrote on May 30, 2008 4:51 PM:
russ wrote on May 30, 2008 4:53 PM:
It ain't about race, it ain't about Mexican, IT IS ABOUT DECIBELS and durationnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
There must be a city ordinance on nuisance noise level, i.e., DECIBELS!!. Measure it! "
onthetrail wrote on May 30, 2008 5:27 PM:
then perhaps he needs to be replaced with someone who will.
ARE YOU LISTENING TO US, BOARD OF DIRECTORS????? "
denny pena wrote on May 30, 2008 5:27 PM:
dahlia wrote on May 30, 2008 6:01 PM:
savenapa wrote on May 30, 2008 6:39 PM:
MarkMiwords wrote on May 30, 2008 7:01 PM:
momtoo wrote on May 30, 2008 8:12 PM:
if you can't beat 'em... wrote on May 30, 2008 8:31 PM:
This is no different from when we lived downtown and listened to "private party" concerts at Headfeathers every Sunday night. "
leavintown wrote on May 31, 2008 7:22 AM:
There would be a full blow riot if this rodeo got shut down for noise violation. Screaming "Discrimination!!" So it will never get shut down or even have the volume turned down a bit. It will never happen.
Just tone it down a little bit. I don't like the music, don't like the culture, but since I live in Napa, I guess I have deal with it somewhat. But I don't want to listen to their music on Sunday for hours. Why does it need to be that loud? "
nana06 wrote on May 31, 2008 9:07 AM:
People should get to know a little more about the culture and traditions before they start complaing. Mexicans are a HUGE part of the Napa community and they should be able to have their own time for intertainment!!! "
onthetrail wrote on May 31, 2008 11:03 AM:
I dont know how I (or most of the other poster's on here) can be any clearer. WE ARE NOT AGAINST A RODEO OR ANY OTHER HISPANIC CELEBRATION! We are simply asking that the Expo control the volume!
Would you like me to come over and set up a few speakers and a microphone a block from your house and blast music, all the while yelling in the microphone so loud that your windows shake and rattle for uh, lets say 6 hours? And maybe I can plan it for the same day as your son is having his 5th birthday party and u can move the whole thing indoors even though it is a beautiful day out?
How's that work for you?
And just one more question - since I am going to sacrifice one sunday a month for you, what do you plan on sacrificing for me?
This is not a race issue!
It is about common courtesy between neighbors. "
momtoo wrote on May 31, 2008 11:45 AM:
mytwocents wrote on May 31, 2008 10:43 PM:
109823 wrote on Jun 1, 2008 12:46 AM:
savenapa wrote on Jun 1, 2008 11:13 AM:
make napa better wrote on Jun 1, 2008 12:41 PM:
" I would just like to say that for many people the mexican rodeos are a form of intertanment and its part of our culture and traditions. For many years Latinos and more specifically Mexicans have had to go out of Napa in order to have some fun. Having the Mexican Rodeos in Napa is a FANTASTIC thing!I dont understand how people can say that it disrupts their sunday evenings..."the rodeos only happen once every month"...I think the Napa community can sacrafice a few ours of their sunday time..."
WHAT ABOUT US NAPANS!!???!! We have to go out of town to do ANYTHING FUN!!! "
VJ07 wrote on Jun 1, 2008 1:04 PM:
VJ07 wrote on Jun 1, 2008 1:19 PM:
barefoot wrote on Jun 1, 2008 6:15 PM:
momtoo wrote on Jun 1, 2008 7:06 PM:
Suze wrote on Jun 1, 2008 9:20 PM:
napamatt wrote on Jun 1, 2008 9:58 PM:
As for the 8:30 curfew for rodeo's I wisyh tonight was a rodeo night, the music would not be playing now. If you have an outdoor wedding anywhere in the county you cant make this much noise. Quite typically our wonderful government (at every self serving level) chooses to exempt itself from its own rules. "
AndiSmith wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:37 AM:
bianca wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:18 AM:
RAWRRRRRRRRR!!! ... non stop for 3 days 'till 10:30pm... "
Farmerchick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:17 AM:
savenapa wrote on Jun 2, 2008 12:40 PM:
Skip M. wrote on Jun 2, 2008 5:31 PM:
barefoot wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:05 PM:
MarkMiwords wrote on Jun 3, 2008 9:52 AM:
Cadence wrote on Jun 3, 2008 2:19 PM:
Can you really hear those cars all the way from CALISTOGA?
Great scott!!
There must be some sort of hearing contest you can enter and win. I'm calling the Guinness Record Book people right now; I hope they offer a finder's fee. "
MarkMiwords wrote on Jun 3, 2008 4:07 PM:
Bianca wrote on Jun 4, 2008 8:25 AM:
I live in calistoga, right across the street from the fairgrounds...
i apologize for not making my self clear..
0_o? "
LMW wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:52 PM: