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Napa market buoyed by those buying getaways
Friday, April 25, 2008
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Janet and Brian Quint looked high and low for a second home in Northern California, from Sea Ranch to Copperopolis in Calaveras County. But in the end the couple found exactly what they’d been searching for right in their own backyard.

Recalling their many trips to wine country with friends, the Quints, who live in Marin County, decided Napa would be a good spot to buy.
Even though Napa is only a 55-minute drive from home, “We realized that physically, emotionally and culturally we were entering another world without having to drive for hours to be away,” said Janet Quint.

Springing up: Local home sales rise
Owners of a newer house in Marin County, the 50-something couple knew they wanted to buy an older home in Napa, something with “charm and character, that didn’t need a tremendous amount of work,” and walking distance from downtown, said Janet Quint.

Working with Karen Cherniss of Windermere Napa Valley Properties, the couple bought a house on Second Street last year, a home “that fit us very, very well,” she said.
As second-home buyers, they’re not alone.

According to a recent survey from the National Association of Realtors, nearly a third of all homes purchased nationally last year were bought as either vacation or investment homes.

While the total of vacation or investment home sales dropped — along with the overall market — in 2007, it still accounted for 33 percent of all existing and new home sales in the U.S.

A report from BrokerMetrics states that 41 properties worth $1 million or more sold in Napa County over the past six months, with anywhere from 184 to 242 properties worth $1 million and up for sale during that same time period.

Realtor Joe Brasil with Coldwell Banker Brokers of the Valley knows exactly how much of his business comes from second-home buyers — 34 percent.

“People buying a second home in Napa are looking for something in Old Town, walking distance to restaurants, or anything in the countryside with some sort of view that captures that essence of Napa,” said Brasil. “They want something unique.”

Brasil sees a “whole spectrum” of second home prices ranges — anywhere from $400,000 to $5 million. Buyers come from all over the Bay Area, San Francisco, the South Bay, even New York City, he said.

“Internationally too,” he added. With current exchange rates, “They can buy a lot more for their money.”

“Thirty percent of my second home buyers pay cash,” said Brasil. “And yes, the market is having some impact. But they are still out there. And they see what’s happening with downtown Napa and they know this is a great opportunity.”

“There is an allure to Napa and I think its finally catching up to its name,” Brasil said. Being a destination location “has kept us from becoming Solano County, which is going through some really tough times in the market. If we didn’t have that we’d probably have a lot more homes on the market and prices down even further.”

Katie Somple with LifeStyle Properties in St. Helena said she sees a pool of second-home buyers “hovering and waiting for the right moment.”

“Second-home buyers are looking for the quintessential Napa Valley setting,” said Somple. “They don’t buy in a neighborhood,” instead preferring a rural setting with a vineyard view. “And they don’t like fixer uppers.”

“Add money and stir,” she said. “They are busy people. They want a done deal.”

Who are these buyers and where do they come from?

“It really does run the gamut,” she said. “Oregon, Southern California, Australia …”

“Any oenophile has dreams of living in the Napa Valley,” said Somple. “We attract a lot of different people from all over the world.”

Joel Toller with Up Valley Real Estate attributes an increasing second-home market to several factors, including the spring selling season and temporary increases in jumbo loan limits. With stock market uncertainty, some wealthier individuals may transfer funds from the stock market to diversify, he explained.

“We’re getting more calls from people who say ‘I’m ready to buy something within the next six to 12 months. Let’s get the ball rolling.’”

Toller finds buyers from the Bay Area and East Coast. “They hit 55 or 60 and they are thinking about where they want to spend their retirement years,” he said. “All of them are very successful and they can afford a price range from $2.5 to $6 million.”

Mortgage rates aren’t as much of a factor for these buyers. “If you can afford $2 million, those people probably have it in cash. They’re not as concerned about interest rates, stocks or CD rates. They’re in a different category.”

Jill Levy with Heritage Sotheby’s International Realty said while the market for second homes is strong, “I think buyers are cautious on pricing, they still want to know they are getting good value.”

“These buyers aren’t in a hurry, they wait for the right thing to come along,” said Levy. “They are in a position that they can do so.”

Levy figures at least 50 percent of her clients are looking to buy second-homes. But she’s also been on the other end, listing homes sold to second-home buyers.

Anne Branson with Morgan Lane said she’s getting more calls about second homes. “Tax time is done now and people are turning their interests to real estate, and the weather is nice.”

Branson’s working with a buyer from Singapore and his family. “They love the Napa Valley. He has a lot of business he does in San Francisco but he’d rather have his home here as long as the commute is not too bad.”

To buy their Napa home, the Quints said they set a budget of $600,000 to $800,000.

Brian Quint said it’s a possibility the couple could retire in Napa.

“For now, its our getaway place. It’s so convenient. We did not buy it as an investment, we bought it because we wanted to have it forever.”

“We are enjoying it,” said Janet Quint, especially sampling the many downtown restaurants and wine bars.

But one of the biggest benefits is what happens when her husband arrives in Napa.

“He’s a new person. He relaxes. He’s happier,” she said.

“I didn’t realize what a transition it would be for him. How that could not make me happy?”
9 comment(s)

skippert wrote on Apr 25, 2008 7:07 AM:

" I love the Quints,, they are great people and I enjoy knowing/working with them and their garden. We need more non locals like them around here.

Shawna the gardener. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Apr 25, 2008 10:49 AM:

" People buying second homes in Napa County worsens the workforce housing situation and inflates property values. That's why our supervisor, Luce, proposed deed restrictions in new developments, limiting resale only to people who work within a ten mile radius of their home. I didn't know the statistics of vacation homes was quite so high. Yep, maybe Luce is onto something afterall. "

reader wrote on Apr 25, 2008 11:54 AM:

" Vocal: I didn't know about deed restrictions; interesting. I think if any building does occur in Angwin then there should be deed restrictions there. Otherwise, the whole development will be high priced second homes for outsiders, selling for what the market will bear. "

enapa wrote on Apr 25, 2008 12:45 PM:

" Well I'm sure soon they'll have more to choose from. Don't know if anyone else noticed the foreclosure statistics for Napa county, but they were up almost 400% from a year ago. Good news for me since I have waited to buy. Keep writing these "optimistic" articles. "nothing to see here" "everything's fine" Ha Ha.... "

vocal-de-local wrote on Apr 25, 2008 2:12 PM:

" reader, I like the idea of deed restrictions, an idea proposed by supervisor Luce. He's on the right track but the idea needs some tailoring. The 191 Angwin homes approved by both Save Rural Angwin and the county should be restricted to local workers. My issue is that, in Angwin, the deed restriction should extend 15 miles to include the entire town of St. Helena otherwise the only businesses who benefit are St. Helena Hospital and PUC college. If something economically bad happens to these institutions, given that there are only two of them, these homes would be nearly impossible to resell and would greatly affect other property values in Angwin. Another problem is that these two businesses are strictly Adventist with selective hiring practices. The county is opening up potential lawsuits if these homes are primarily sold to Adventists working at these institutions.

Angwin might end out looking like a ghost town with a hundred vacant houses that can't be sold if the deed restriction is limited primarily to two businesses. Owners will be forced to rent them out. And unless there are PUD regulations, maintenance issues could surface.

I believe there should be at least a minimum of say 20 businesses within the deed restricted radius to buffer the effects that deed restrictions could have if particular businesses fail.

I was, at first, critical of Luce's deed restriction plan, but after giving it some thought, he's definitely heading in the right direction and we should support him for thinking outside of the box.

In the meantime, I'm going to see how far the deed restriction would have to extend from Angwin in order to include numerous businesses (who employ more than twenty people). "

NVGal wrote on Apr 25, 2008 6:00 PM:

" I haven't read anything on Luce's deed restrictions, but the math doesn't add up. I will generous and say that the median income per person living in Napa is $50K, two adults working, $100K annual income. The real value of a home is 3 times your annual income, so $300K is now your median price for a home in Napa. Compare that to the NVR article today at $485K. So who now wants to give up $185K or 38% of your hard earned money? Now, say I buy your home, and work 10 miles away, but the average wage increase in Napa is (being generous) is 4%, meaning now the value of my home is only going to go up 4% each year. A not very bright stock broker can get better than 4% on my money. But really, where is published info on what the median salary is for someone working in Napa?

Then, lets look at what is happening up valley. Corporations are buying up wineries, meaning, there go any supporting jobs in Napa that may yield higher income jobs, like insurance and accounting, finance, consulting.

So maybe I can get on board the Luce train if it is explained to me how he is going to create middle class income jobs in Napa to support a decent median home price and how he will keep my wage increase above 6% so that buying a home in my own home town is a good investment and nest egg for retirement.

There is more, but I am at my word limit. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Apr 25, 2008 8:41 PM:

" NVgal, the deed restrictions do not limit what you can sell a home for in the future. It only limits WHO you can sell it to. It only applies to a certain percentage of NEW homes on the market. I think it's 50%. People who plan on working in Napa a long time should be the only ones who purchase these homes. Otherwise, if a buyer wants quick turnover, they should purchase one of the other new homes without deed restrictions or seek other homes for sale in the area.

Luce is just trying to keep a pool of homes available for workforce and protect them from being picked up by vacationers, which does nothing to help the workforce situation. We've got to give the guy credit for thinking up some solutions rather than just letting everything run amok and wish for the best. Our supervisors have got to stop approving developments without first considering the type of workforce the industry is supporting and where they are going to live.

However, I think the only way to solve the workforce problem is to increase the rental market in Napa. Most of the jobs being created here do not lend themselves to purchasing homes, even moderately priced ones. Not everyone wants to be tied down to home ownership. My son, for example, enjoys the freedom of going wherever he wants whenever he wants. I've seen some beautiful condominiums for rent with recreational facilities and all kinds of amenities most people could never afford on their own. The quality of living is not bad, not at all. We can provide both quality living while making it reasonably affordable. And until we can deal with workforce housing, all tourist industry growth should be put on hold. "

NVGal wrote on Apr 26, 2008 12:23 AM:

" Vocal-de-local, if who you can sell your home to is only making $20.00 per hour, the price that you can sell your home for will drop. He is pegging the value of any home to the local labor market. I live in Napa and the only jobs that I see being created are jobs in the hospitality industry, which are low wage jobs. I would not want my home to be in the "50%" category. If the value of your home is peg to the local labor market, so will the property taxes that you pay. So now you have locals living in local homes, but you do not have enough tax revenue to support schools, police and fire. You probably won't have enough local reveune to support some of the local businesses, such as car dealerships, which generate a lot of tax revenue from sales tax and property tax.

Maybe I am missing something, is there anything in writing that Luce has put out that details his idea? I would like to see how he has address the economic impact of all of this, including home values, average wages, now and what is projected in Napa, and the impact on city revenues.

If he hasn't addressed the tie between the local wage market and the value of the homes he is trying peg, then he has not thought through the fiscal impact, and it is not a very well thought out idea.

The good news is that if he is only pegging "new" homes to the local labor market, then there wont't be any new development, there would be a negative return to building in Napa.
"

vocal-de-local wrote on Apr 26, 2008 8:42 AM:

" NVGal - yes, he is only pegging new homes to the local labor market, and it's only half of them from what I understand. So anyone who purchases them knows what they are getting themselves into. I think the deed restriction only last about ten years and in the longrun, the pool turns over to the mainstream housing market which doesn't really solve the workforce housing shortage on a longterm basis. It strikes me as a band aid solution.

That's why I suggested that they create a rental market in Napa and apply rental restrictions to it. I think that the distance from work should be more than ten miles though, so that it reaches as far Upvalley as St. Helena from the Napa side so that at least half the valley is served. The Calistoga side of the Valley has a workforce that commutes primarily from Santa Rosa and Lake County I think. There's not much that can be done about the workforce situation in that half of the valley unless we want to open Calistoga up to development. I don't think we should go to the place of developing ANY of the Upvalley with workforce housing except for limited areas of portable migrant housing meant for *temporary* living.

And once the workforce housing is dealt with more or less, I think it will be time for Napa County to stop so much growth of the tourist industry so that we're not always playing catch-up with worforce housing. This game is going to ruin this town and it puts undue pressure on agricultural land development. "

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