" Keep Napa Napa is a group of developers posing as a caring group of locals. What a joke. These wealthy developers are going back where they came from and the people of Napa are sending them there! Pack up your bags full of money, WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE! Napa Redevelopment Partners will NEVER develop ANYTHING in this county and there are thousands of locals to make sure of that. Pack it in fellas unless you want to waste more of that dirty money you are attempting to launder here in our backyard. GET OUT AND STAY OUT, WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE! The corrupt "on the take" supervisors are the next to go so let it be known, everyone is watching what you are doing now....with a microscope. Do you feel lucky? Make our day...we are ready for big change. In fact, we demand it. "

" David vs Goliath, ya think? "

" This seems to tell the whole story. On one side you have all the money coming from big time property developers and on the other you have grassroots, citizen involvement. I know where my vote is going... "

" Where are all those Keep Napa Napa proponents now? The truth was made public and the people are no longer in the dark about who is representing what and why. They must know it is time to leave because the people of Napa are fed up with government and the rogue employees that tell us what to do and how to do it without us having any say. This is an opportunity for all of us to perform our legal duty to question government. If the answers given by government employees are determined to be not in the best interest of the people, that employee(s) shall be abolished along with the government system that employed him or her. Wealth and deceit are best friends and that is what unknowingly controls and enslaves us. To be free one must learn the truth. To learn the truth, all one must do is read. Is that really all that hard to do? Of course not. This is a start and Jim Marshall is our "David", thank you Jim! With the exception of genius UCLA law school educated Dr. Ed Rivera, Mr. Marshall is the ONLY attorney I know that is honest and is working in the best interest of local people. He lives here just like us and he has taken on a huge job with NO PAY! There will be people out and about in Napa all this week gathering signatures to ensure that Measure N gets on the ballot. This is the only way to reign in development and still allow responsible growth here in our county. Speak up Napa and let's send these wealthy landhogs packing... "

" About time we see the whole truth...proof that Keep Napa Napa are just more greedy out of town businessmen (and politicians just look at Carneros Lodge's partners for proof). Can we sue for fraudulence when it's apparent Keep Napa Napa is actually Sell Napa Out?

YES on N!

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" To quote: "All but $525 was donated by Napa Redevelopment Partners, developers of the 3,200-home Napa Pipe proposal."

Well, this about says it all, doncha think? "

" If only the proponents would disclose their secret funders, we could have an honest discussion of this measures financial situation. "

" Citizens of Napa--- Get ready for another mailing, here it comes with a new list of supporters "

" "Mr. Marshall is the ONLY attorney I know that is honest and is working in the best interest of local people."

WHO KNOWS, REALLY??

It still would be interesting to know why a divorce attorney SUDDENLY developed an interest in growth and development. Measure N sprung fully-formed from his efforts, at the same time Mr. Marshall did not consult the usual slow growth folks in the Valley prior to the measure's drafting. Keith Rogal's motives are quite transparent here, and should not surprise anyone; nor is Mr. Rogal or other developers the Napa Valley's "Prince of Darkness" (I know who THAT is...)

Of course one thing that Marshall et all WON'T tell you is that (1) the height limit is NOT necessary because at Napa Pipe ALREADY has buildings that are 70 to 80 feet high; (2) the ABAG housing projections for Napa County through 2030 assume an average growth rate of around 1% annually, which has been defacto local policy for years. Rogal's Napa Pipe project would grab around 1/3 of this projected growth over the next 22 years, probably over the 8-10 years it would take to build out the Napa Pipe proposal.

Based on the fact that Napa Pipe WOULD NOT appreciably change the local growth rate since the project would take 8-10 years to "build out" in any case, the "3,200 units" is just a "BOO" WORD thrown out to freak out the more unthinking of our local knee-jerk "no growthers" who obviously think developers are scum of the earth, never mind they are people trying to make a buck (as do wineries!) , and that jobs and prosperity could not exist without what they do--build things! "

" Paul, you will never know who all the operators behind any group pushing these things. You can however measure the size of their money bags and see just where their public faces stand.

Both these groups have paid political operatives that make their living manipulating the political scene. People frightened by the possibility of law suits or tying the hands of local government by measure N, this is all smoke.

There will be law suits no matter what, nothing is forever and no ones hands are forever tied. Measure N is necessary because elected officials have failed.
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" msetty, you stated, "Napa Pipe ALREADY has buildings that are 70 to 80 feet high".

Such heights, allowed for 'industrial' zoned lands cannot automatically be applied to lands rezoned for residential development. Height zoning is not carried with the land to be attached to land allowed a zoning change. Wishful thinking. "

" Why is everyone getting so upset about Keep Napa Napa? Keep Napa Napa are not the bad guys in this situation! Just because the main backer for this measure wants to build apartments, town houses, and even parks out where the old Napa Pipe used to be people are calling foul. I just want to know, do you want houses where the beautiful landscape of the Napa is? I didn't think so! Do we want to start making Napa more like a major city then the wonderful Wine County we live in now? Measure N is not the good guys in this situation! They want to change a law already on the books. They want to go back to an old law, that has long been gone. They are calling it a "mistake" and that they didn't "mean to" to change a law for low income mortgages from 40 to 10 years. Keep Napa Napa is just trying to make it so that Napa doesn't start building houses on our agriculture preserves. It doesn't matter how you feel about Napa Pipe. It doesn't matter how you feel about where the money is coming from. All that should really matter in your mind is the fact that Measure N is wanting to build in places otherwise not allowed, and change a law. The people behind Measure N should come forward and show their faces! Who are these people who are paying people to go around town and get signatures for the proposal? Thats what i want to know! So next time there is an article in the paper about Measure N, maybe there should be both sides to the story. "

" Anyone who has been paying attention to this debate should have no problem understanding that the Measure N drafters have seemingly aimed their initiative at the Napa Pipe development.

I don't buy the fairy tale that Jim Marshall woke up one day and decided to become an anti-growth warrior. The facts are that the real funding and the real people behind Measure N remain hidden. This has been admitted by Marshall and Ajlouney to both the Register and community groups. They said that pre-petition polling was paid for by people that did not want their identities known. What else was paid for pre-petition and by whom.

If the drafters can't even get the language right on our Measure A that they claim they are seeking to set in stone, but are very specific about affordable housing definitions and the the allocation of building permits, what does this tell you?

I continue to believe that Measure N is an attack by other people with a developable interest in the County that would be stuck on the side-line if Napa Pipe is developed and takes all the state housing allocations numbers from the County.

I oppose this Measure because it looks and smells to me like a manipulation. I also oppose it becasue if you take the initiative at face value, it is a flawed initiative that needless exposes us to litigation, doesn't take a big picture approach to the whole growth issue, and even encourages annexations into the cities because it doesn't address them.

I am a volunteer and contributer to the No on N campaign (Whidbey Partners is my company). I have no financial interest in NRDP. "

" THE PEOPLE OF NAPA DO NOT WANT DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SCOPE, PERIOD. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH OR DO DEVELOPERS NEED IT PAINTED ON EACH OTHER'S FOREHEADS SO THEY REMEMBER? Why is it so difficult to understand that we don't care about the money it brings in to our local economy. GO HOME. "

" By the way, this initiative is NOT just to limit the Napa Pipe redevelopment plan. This is for ALL future development and yes it does control the height which is why it's in the initiative. Get a clue and at least have the facts correct in your arguments to develop our county. There are loyal napa citizens behind measure N so stop trying to make something out of absolutely NOTHING. Getting signatures is easy when you tell the truth to the people. "

" So..Petebo. The people of Napa don't want this? Does that mean the people of Napa who are apart of Keep Napa Napa aren't really Napa citizens! Because I would have to say that isn't true at all. Do you have to be from out of town to be against Measure N. Also...There are MANY loyal citizens behind Keep Napa Napa. And at least we know their names, unlike the people putting Measure N on the ballot. Can you tell me their names again?? I seem to have NEVER heard of them before. "

" Joe Fish, perhaps you should tale a look at what else Napa development partners own in the city and county of Napa. Your buddy Caston is a paid political operator on leave from whom? Picking up some extra change from the highest bidder and returning to his day job when this is over.

Keep Napa Napa has merely collected the loose chump change from this out fit that has managed to slip in under the radar at the Carneros inn and booonflly. They put one over the last time out and are trying the same thing at the ill-conceived and mis-nomered Napa pipe project. This real estate group has multi millions of dollars parked in a tax advantaged investment group patiently waiting to chip away what the voters of Napa have spent years fighting for.

There were proposals for different industrial uses made to this group for uses of the land but the focus on the New Disney Idea got the best press. Either the advocates of keep Napa Napa are simple uninformed dupes or they do not really care about containing growth in Napa. Several different potential job creating endeavors have been turned away.

Affordable housing and low income advocates have taken a close look at this proposal and do not find any redeeming value in it. Measure N exists for good or bad because of the grandiose audacity of the scheme at Napa pipe and the failure of elected officials to adequately address Napa housing needs. Any body paying attention would recognize that keep Napa Napa and its principal and only significant backer is trying to buy this election they don’t give a fig for the residents of Napa.
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" Joe Fish, perhaps you should tale a look at what else Napa development partners own in the city and county of Napa. Your buddy Caston is a paid political operator on leave from whom? Picking up some extra change from the highest bidder and returning to his day job when this is over.

Keep Napa Napa has merely collected the loose chump change from this out fit that has managed to slip in under the radar at the Carneros inn and booonflly. They put one over the last time out and are trying the same thing at the ill-conceived and mis-nomered Napa pipe project. This real estate group has multi millions of dollars parked in a tax advantaged investment group patiently waiting to chip away what the voters of Napa have spent years fighting for.

There were proposals for different industrial uses made to this group for uses of the land but the focus on the New Disney Idea got the best press. Either the advocates of keep Napa Napa are simple uninformed dupes or they do not really care about containing growth in Napa. Several different potential job creating endeavors have been turned away.

Affordable housing and low income advocates have taken a close look at this proposal and do not find any redeeming value in it. Measure N exists for good or bad because of the grandiose audacity of the scheme at Napa pipe and the failure of elected officials to adequately address Napa housing needs. Any body paying attention would recognize that keep Napa Napa and its principal and only significant backer is trying to buy this election they don’t give a fig for the residents of Napa.
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" You can fool some of the people all of the time.

Now we know Napa Redevelopment Partners, alone, have spent over $700,000.00 to defeat Measure N, $500 hundred of which came from CONCERNED local citizens like Joe Fishy, who relentlessy blog about how we citizens of Napa REALLY need to focus on where the $28,000 contributed to support N really came from.

All this venting of righteous indignation while Joe's boss, buddy, "volunteer beneficiary" inflicts 3200 houses in MULTIPLE 7 story buildings on land that has FOR DECADES been zoned INDUSTRIAL, not residential.

Other KeepNapaDeceived proponents argue that measure N Changes ZONING. BOLDERDASH!! Napa Pipe is INDUSTRIAL zoned, NOT Residential, so the obvious truth is that NAPA REDEVELOPMENT PARTNERS must CHANGE the zoning to inflict their handy work upon us.

The Keep Napa Napa deception has become so brazen that a close relative of mine sent in a card to be a supporter of KEEP NAPA NAPA thinking that this group MUST BE the OPPONENT to the 3200 home development as to support such a development would REALLY CHANGE NAPA, in a sweeping and dramatic way. They are not fools, but have certainly been tricked.

This is REALLY outrageous. A developer who can spend 3/4 of a million dollars to prey on the good intentions of others.

Don't be FOOLED!! Keep Napa Napa are PREDITORS, no better than the predititory lenders who have lead to all the current reasons we don't need 3200 more homes in our community. The home owners here, now, who can't sell their homes to pay off the banks who are forclosing upon them don't need values further driven down by a flood of new ticky tacky high rise condos in an INDUSTRIAL FLOOD ZONE. "

" This whole issue is confusing. It's like trying to understand how gas prices can go up four cents per day when the price of oil goes up, but when a barrel of oil drops, I don't see the little gas attendant rushing out the door to drop the price on his sign! The small town settling of Napa is what we have grown to love around here but I wouldn't mind seeing a Chili's restaurant pop up somewhere near Target. Actually, I would love to see more businesses geared towards kids in Napa instead of seeing another Bank or grocery store being built. "

" Alright hellonaffy, tell me why you want this development plan to go through and how mit will personally benefit you? I can honestly say that myself along with the majority of other Napans will see`only more buildings, more cars, more people. Stop while you are ahead because when this goes to a vote, the truth will be known. Until then, it's all just our own opinion but I have yet to talk to any Napa local that wants more development. There is too much going on right now so give it a rest. "

" If the percentage of pro-N supporters in this blog is representative of Napa as a whole, and I believe we are, my guess is that at least 80% of us prefer that Napa maintain it's small town flavor and sees no significant benefit of building thousands of new homes. In fact, if each of us made a list of pro's and con's of such massive development the negatives would far outweigh any positives.
Hopefully this goes the way of Wild Horse Ranch development when that effort was voted down very easily. I thought it was clear to the Japanese investors that Napa intends to maintain it's very unique personality. "Keep Napa Napa" should have gotten the same message. "

" This is a Conspiracy ! It looks like the "Out of Towners" are gonna win again by giving US the middle finger while pulling the wool over the eyes of its coffers. Is there ANYONE, with the clout,who will stand up to these rotten apples ? After so many years of this kind of crap,I guess NOT. The whole country looks the Same ! asphalt,cameras at intersections,franchises,cars,cops,nothing original and more asphalt And they call it Progress ! I'm not Stupid ! I call it GREED ! "

" Hey Hudd5 ! Your mentality is the same as the ones who pushed to have their way around here ! If you want a Chili's franchise in Napa,you're just another Napan to 'sell out' ! Visualize this country as a vast game of Monopoly ! It's a very small handful of unpatriotic,greedy individuals who are cashing in on OUR vulnerability. They'll go to ANY lengths to WIN the game,thus holding it all in their dirty hands. Real nice people,huh ? Rats ! "

" When it comes time to vote,be sure you read,Carefully,the measure that is put under your nose,or,surely you'll be voting For when you intended to vote Against ! We are in an age of Deception ! Where is this taught ! It Must be a crime to use these tricks on us,don't you agree ? MAN ! I should,ve been a hermit ! THIS,is in the name of Progress ? Well,I'll be damned ! "

" Let me understand this. One guy with a lot of money can thwart the wishes of literally thousands of residents living in Napa and south County? How does that work? Angwin is facing the same problem. Two guys in Seattle, sole owners of the Triad Corporation, stand a chance of winning approval of a development which would increase the population by 43% How does that work? How does that work? 3200 housing units? Where does that kind of arrogance come from? Why does big bucks so often succeed? What is wrong with this picture? One guy succeeding against so many. Has the American system really gotten that rotten? "

" Yes it has Jasper... I know the answer why this is happening on a much larger scale than ever before but unfortunately they won't print it because I am told it does not pertain to this particular issue...even though I totally believe it does. I tried... "

" I agree with the previous comments questioning Jim Marshall's involvement. Why does a divorce attorney suddenly become involved in Napa's growth & development unless he has something to gain from it - especially when it's financial backing is hidden? We should question the motives behind anyone backing this and decide for ourselves whether this is in the best interest of Napa or not. "