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Latino homebuyers face uphill battle in effort to keep homes
Francisco Zapien put his home up for sale after an adjustable rate mortgage turned into an unmanageable loan with payments close to $4,000 per month. Jorgen Gulliksen/Register | Buy photos
Sunday, March 23, 2008
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For Francisco Zapien, the deal was too good to be true.

In October of 2006, Zapien signed a contract for a home on Bryan Avenue in Napa. The $550,000 mortgage he was approved for required no down payment.
Today Zapien, who has worked at Silverado Farming Company as a tractor driver and machinist for the past four years, is caught in a vise. His monthly mortgage is more than he can pay. His home has lost value.

“I have put my home on the market,” said Zapien. “It’s too much money to pay each month.”
Zapien knew his monthly costs would be high, so he rented two rooms in his home. The rooms yielded an extra $1,000 a month to help pay the $3,600 monthly mortgage. But with utility bills and other expenses, Zapien said he still was scrambling to pay $2,900 a month.

“If the home doesn’t sell, I will have to turn it in to the bank,” he said.
Zapien is one of thousands of homeowners across the country facing this dilemma.

Real estate experts say the mortgage mess has hit the Hispanic community especially hard, in part because Latinos represented such a large chunk of the class of first-time buyers who — it seemed — finally had a chance to borrow money and chase the dream of homeownership.

In many cases, people simply bit off more than they could chew.

In some cases, mortgage brokers helped bring people into the market who they knew or should have known would struggle, according to real estate professionals.

Not fully understanding the terms of a loan put many first-time home buyers in a bind, said Heidi Rickerd-Rizzo, executive branch manager at the St. Helena office of Pacific Union Real Estate.

“There’s the layer (to the overall foreclosure problem) where there really are victims and there was greed involved in the underwriting process ... giving people products that they didn’t understand, with first-time buyers relying and trusting on professionals  giving them advice.”

Lack of understanding

Zapien’s story sounds familiar to Gerardo Hurtado, of Suisun, and Evodio Perez, of Napa, who both work alongside Zapien. They said they signed mortgages that they didn’t fully understand.

Hurtado said he is happy to have sold his Suisun home and be released from a mortgage that was too much for him to meet.

Perez is playing a waiting game; in January 2009, he will find out if he has to sell his house or keep it. After refinancing a condo he owned in Napa and making a $60,000 down payment, Perez moved into his El Capitan Way home in 2006.

After a few months of barely making the $1,800 mortgage, Perez realized that his adjustable-rate loan was too much. He considered refinancing, but the terms of his loan required him to make regular mortgage payments for three years before refinancing or selling the property. Otherwise, he’d face hefty penalties.

In January, Perez said he will find out how much his house is worth. If it’s gone down in value, he will have to sell — if not, he will look to refinance. “I feel frustrated,” he said. “I bought my home with the intent to progress.”

Hurtado was in the same situation as Perez. If he refinanced early, he would face penalties.

Feeling trapped in a loan that he couldn’t afford, Hurtado put his home on short sale and accepted an offer for $360,000. That is about $70,000 less than what he was asking, he said.

Hurtado said he thought that he was entering into a loan that would allow him to re-finance within a year; he was surprised to find out that it was actually three years.

“They never explained that to me,” he said.

The housing crunch is causing a ripple effect, Rickerd-Rizzo said; people are moving out of neighborhoods and sometimes leaving possessions behind.

Margarita Fernandez, a real estate agent for Marin 1 Real Estate, specializes in helping Latino clients, but observed that the problem is more widespread.

“There are houses that are devalued,” she said. Homeowners who signed onto adjustable and other creative mortgages are finding “Their interest (rate) is going up, so now they are faced with high payments. The majority of my clients are Latinos ... (but) other people are facing the same thing.”

Fernandez said she goes out of her way to make sure that her clients fully understand the terms of their loans.

Laura Sanchez, a Realtor at Heritage Sotheby’s International Realty, also breaks the language barrier and helps her clients understand what they are getting into. But she said that the underwriting process can be complex.

“When you sign all those documents, most of them are in English and there are so many rules,” Sanchez said. “When you sign, you need to be very careful.”

Sanchez pointed out that if home buyers aren’t comfortable with the paperwork, they have a 24-hour grace period in which the lender can help them understand or negotiate the terms of the loan.

Sanchez and Fernandez say that homeowners struggling to make payments should call their loan officers and try to negotiate for more favorable terms.

“Contact their banks or whoever they have their loans with and see if they can work out some kind of deal,” she said.

Zapien said he hopes to sell his home and make a profit. He said he will eventually move into an apartment in Napa so he can remain close to his job. Perez said he will find a way to make the payments until 2009, and hopes then to refinance or modify his loan in some way.

As for Hurtado, he said he plans to move in with his son in Suisun and maybe one day buy a home again.

“To part with the home is to part with stress,” Hurtado said.

Marin 1’s Fernandez said that banks often do not want to seize homes and would rather have the homeowners stay in them.

“There are different circumstances, but I just admire those people who don’t give up and continue (to keep their homes),” Sanchez said. “There are good opportunities in the market and you can take great advantage of it. What’s going on right now ... it’s not going to be forever.”

A free seminar is planned for Sunday, April 13, to help people handle the risk of foreclosure. The seminar, presented in both English and Spanish, is scheduled to start at 1:30 p.m. at St. John’s Hall, 924 Napa St., Napa.

The seminar will give homeowners the opportunity to receive one-on-one counseling sessions with mortgage specialists who can help avoid foreclosure.

“What we are hoping to do is provide people with resources,” said Mora Cronin, spokeswoman for the Napa Foreclosures Prevention Forum. “In many cases, I guess what happens is people will walk away if they get a default notice ... without asking for help. For many people, they can get help. They can re-negotiate a mortgage.”

The foreclosure forum is free. To register, call 253 4219.

Foreclosure Seminar

The Napa Foreclosures Prevention Forum is holding a free seminar in Spanish and English to help people handle the risk of foreclosure. Professionals will be on hand to offer one-on-one counseling sessions with homeowners.

The event is on Sunday, April 13, from 1:30 to 5 p.m. at St. John’s Hall, 924 Napa St., Napa. To register or for info, call 253-4219 or e-mail ForeclosureForum@co.napa.ca.us.
57 comment(s)

vocal-de-local wrote on Mar 23, 2008 1:16 AM:

" I know of a Sonoma County Hispanic family who ended out in the same financial boat. Their home went into foreclosure. Sounds like the lending institutions took advantage of vulnerable people lacking the ability to fully comprehend the situation. On the other hand, a $3,600 monthly payment for someone with a middle income job? People have got to start using a little common sense. I hope those greedy lenders lose a bundle, though. Serves them right! "

orange99 wrote on Mar 23, 2008 5:21 AM:

" when is to much ,when you rent out rooms or chop your house up to little apartments like next door to me, looks like we all lose in the end. "

kbf wrote on Mar 23, 2008 7:29 AM:

" I also know of a family that this happened to. The adjustable second went up and it was too much to pay so they just quit paying. There again if the latino people would learn to speak and understand English a lot of problems would go away. I would suspect a majority of people did understand what the terms were and just didn't think it would be them that were caught. How about the city of Napa craking down on people who rent out rooms in their homes. The houses are suppose to be single family homes not boarding houses. It is easy for people of any nationality to say I didn't understand and a few probably didn't, the most probably did. "

skippert wrote on Mar 23, 2008 7:41 AM:

" Oh, is someone starting to realize it's not that cheap to live here. We have been here our entire lives. This is not that surprising. "

skippert wrote on Mar 23, 2008 7:46 AM:

" Why is this story all about latinos. Many people got taken advantage of. What gives? Why not right this story about someone born and raised here and lost their stuff too. All you are doing is making the latinos think they got targeted. Not true. Life is hard no matter what color or race you are. It is more about class then race. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 23, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Isn't the lending standard that approval is not granted if the house payment is more than 1/3 of you monthly income? Our family makes over 100K per year and couldn't qualify for a 450,000 house in Napa last year - even with our excellent credit. This feels off....! "

Skip M. wrote on Mar 23, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Give me a break! The burst of the housing bubble, the mortgage meltdown, and rising unemployment are affecting people from all walks of life. This is no conspiracy against any ethnic group. It is an issue of economics. When you buy more than you can afford, you roll the dice. And sometimes, when you roll the dice, you might lose. These are what we call life lessons. And the life lessons that stick with us the best are often very painful. Case in point, talk to anyone who grew up or lived through the Great Depression (1920s and 30s). That period of time is burned into their psyche and all things money are generally measured against that period. That was a very painful period and those who experienced it will never forget, even for a moment. Mr. Zapien, with all due respect, this is just the way the dice roll. Perhaps next time you will look for a home you can support on your own, without the need to rent out rooms. It looks to me like you set out to live on the edge from the start. Bad plan. "

anotherguyinnapa wrote on Mar 23, 2008 10:53 AM:

" You could have left the word "Latino" out of the title and just called it "Homebuyers face uphill battle in effort to keep homes," because the current situation in the housing market is affecting everyone who tried to buy a house. I don't feel sorry for any of them. I'm hoping the bottom drops out of the housing market, so I can buy a house too someday. "

Kevin Eggers wrote on Mar 23, 2008 11:04 AM:

" This is affecting every sector of the population (I love the way the Register slants their perspective of the truth toward the underdog “Latino”). And it’s not just the first time homebuyers, as there are many people that refinanced into the wrong loans, because they wanted a car or a boat, or something else.

Sure, you’ll have loan agents pushing loans. That’s their job. Some of their products are good, and some are bad. The ultimate blame for getting into the wrong loan goes to the individual that signed on the dotted line. Thomas Jefferson said that the most important thing for any education curriculum was to teach an individual how to do everyday business, so they wouldn’t be taken advantage of in the business world. Today, most Americans don’t have any idea how money is created out of thin air, but they sure know how to be culturally and morally tolerant.

I suggest you read the “Creature From Jekyll Island” (where the Fed was devised by the “money power” in 1910), so you can gain an understanding of how our fiat money is created and how the “money power” controls our monetary system. “The Coming Battle”, written in 1899 by M.W. Walbert presents a good history of how the “money power “ bought their way into our Universities and the different branches of government—this book covers how the “money power” created panics, recessions, and depressions in 1811, 1833, 1837-41, 1873, and 1893.

In 1797, John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson, "All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects of the Constitution or Confederation; not from any want of honor or virtue, as much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation."
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lebertm wrote on Mar 23, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Unfortunately, far too many people bit off more than they could chew, it should be common sense to the average person that most people can't afford to buy a home in Napa. As the old adage goes, if it looks to good to be true then it probably is. My wife's family has lived in Napa for the past fifty years or so and none of her counsins have even considered buying a home in Napa, everyone has moved toward Sacramento. Its a shame because we all want to live near the family but who would be dumb enough to buy a home for half a million or more when you could buy the same house and even more for about half the price just 45 minutes to an hour from here. "

skiph wrote on Mar 23, 2008 12:08 PM:

" Homes on Bryan go for $550,000? Napa is way, way ,way out of control housing-wise.... "

tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Mar 23, 2008 4:28 PM:

" As a loan officer I don't have sympathy for anyone being in forclosure, all the information is in the paperwork and you know exactly what you will be paying when you sign the loan docs. The saying is " buying a house is the most important purchase you will make in your life" people should have been thinking this way instead of thinking they were going to buy a house and flip it in a year and make a profit. "

irishman wrote on Mar 23, 2008 7:30 PM:

" GEE i wonder if the 1 thousand dollers a month he charged was reported to the I.R.S. and did he get a permit to rent out rooms like every one else has too, in order to run a business in napa, just thought i would ask. "

badlandgrl wrote on Mar 23, 2008 8:08 PM:

" I am a single mother, and I know for a fact that I will never be able to own a house. I don't own credit cards and only have the general payments. I know better than to shell out over $400,000 I don't have for a house, that in itself is a rediculous amount of money for a home! I scrape by month to month just trying to keep my head above the water, so do I feel bad for people who have put themselves in this situation, no I don't. There are plenty of people who can translate and they should have made sure they understood what they were signing. I am soooo tired of hearing that just because they are a minority they feel cheated...give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

joejoes2008 wrote on Mar 23, 2008 8:18 PM:

" Whoever gave these people a loan for 550,000.00 without proof of income or without a down payment should be put into prison and heavily fined. This is what happens when greed takes over and people are not treated with respect. There is no reason for brokers to make a ton of money off the backs of people who don't stand a chance of repaying these crazy variable rate loans. "

larrysbird wrote on Mar 23, 2008 10:53 PM:

" I agree with kbf in a way- I was born and raised in this town-have worked since I was 16, have a good job now. I am seperated, and even with the market "down" now, I will never be able to afford a house. But why do I see latinos buying so many houses? Napa is not cheap, why blame the lending instutions? If you live in this country you should not only read and write, but speak and understand the language. I dont mean this to be a racist comment by any means, but I dont feel sorry for the people that werent absolutely sure about terms when they purchased houses for an unabtainable ammount. welcome to the middle class of Napa. "

nuttinpersonal wrote on Mar 24, 2008 6:20 AM:

" Plenty of English-fluent buffoons got caught up in this mess. Knowing English isn't the pre-requisite. Common sense and basic math are though.

There are people whose English isn't very good but they still have common sense and can do basic math. They steered clear.

Still, if I were in Mexico and signed a mortgage for hundreds of thousands that I couldn't afford because I can't read Spanish, how sympathetic would the locals be? "

PastNapan wrote on Mar 24, 2008 7:33 AM:

" I don't even need to post Kevin Eggers and Skip M said it all and said it well.
Skip especially, your posts rock ! Keep em coming "

commentgirl wrote on Mar 24, 2008 1:56 PM:

" Why do we have to just hear about the Latinos, there are plenty of people of all races loosing their homes, who cares what nationality they are............ "

kingsavage wrote on Mar 24, 2008 7:03 PM:

" with 2 rooms rented out that probabably ment six cars on the street. i doubt the neighbors are to broken up now that they'll have a place to park. "

speakdatruth wrote on Mar 24, 2008 9:51 PM:

" The people that are really hurting from the mortgage crisis, are the individuals that took on loans they could afford. I put money down for my house, I have good credit and a good job. I have continued to make my mortgage payments, so that the county of Napa could continue to jack my property taxes to the point were they have appraised my property for a value that is beyond what today's market would pay. All because Joe Blow was getting approved for $500000 with no money down and bad credit. The housing slump effects us all white, brown and balck it does not discriminate. "

Dwayne wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:20 AM:

" I doubt that just being Latino sets a standard for taking on something one cannot afford. The world is full of people who can't manage their money, and the scammers willing to take advantage of their stupidity. If Latino's are being singled out, it's only for one reason: Their inability to assimilate by learning English. "

bornin74 wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:01 PM:

" born here
raised here
still here, married with two kids
h.s. diploma, no college
wife in the same boat....
we work our tails off to provide a home for our kids....
Many of us are all probably in the same or similar positions, but what I cannot comprehend is how ANYONE can sign loan papers for the BIGGEST purchase of your entire life and NOT read the fine print....
you are sitting down for the first time with a pen in hand and signing a document that locks you in to at least $500,000.00.my hands were sweaty and shaking the first time! I was buying a house in a crappy neighborhood...Gotta start somewhere..... and have done the 2 years and sell and "move-up" until recently..... NOW is the TIME to buy.... for those posters who have stated they can NEVER afford it here you are wrong... you just can't afford the house in the best place.. but you gotta take that jump, buy a bad house in a decent neighberhood make some improvements and when the market recovers in two years SELL, move to a better spot in town... If you really truly want something then it has to be worked for, AND you have to take an educated risk. NOBODY will ever have enough money for a comfortable down payment, your house payment will ALWAYS be too high... but it is the satisfaction of home ownership, especially in this valley.... People who have moved away from here because you get More bang for the Buck..well... are misguided... Because now they will never be able to move back...If you know someone who wants to buy NOW IS THE TIME, prices haven't been lower in years... by this time next year the market will be back on the rise "

napan007 wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:10 PM:

" My husband and I make 100K combined and we have no kids and excellent credit. And we can't afford to buy a house here. Screw those idiots who greedily sign for houses they can't afford and then rent them out (illegally? Probably) and STILL can't afford the payments. "

PastNapan wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:39 PM:

" To:bornin74. I left Napa a couple of years ago, I couldn't take it anymore but rented out my house because I didn't want to give up property there. I have it up for sale and can hardly wait to unload it. Napa is GONE. Have you read the NVR headlines ? Gangs, drugs, armed robberies, child molestations, drunken drivers costing people their legs???? What a waste of a once beautiful area. It's not going to get any better , only worse. There are still a few beautiful parts of California left. I live in one now. It's like going back in time. People are friendly and they even speak English ! "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 25, 2008 5:52 PM:

" PastNapan: Where do you live now? I wasn't aware that these places still existed in CA? "

Skip M. wrote on Mar 25, 2008 6:55 PM:

" PastNapan: My family has been in Napa since the 1880s. On my Father’s side, our family owned ranch property that made up nearly half of the Brown’s Valley area. I have in my possession the hand transcribed deed to that property. That document describes the history of the property from the original Mexican land grant. For several generations, the dominant crop in Napa was not grapes and wine, but prunes and dairy. The ranch on my father’s side was a prune orchard. On my Mother’s side, we held the territory ranging from First Avenue at Coombsville Road, north to the First Avenue and Hagen Road, and east to the ridge of the mountains. That land was all cattle. To Bornin74: I was born in 1960. By the time you were born, much of what I grew up enjoying was already gone. My family was well established in Napa, and owned plenty of land and property. But with each generation, those properties get split between heirs, and some is sold for a variety of reasons. I will admit that to my way of thinking, many of my ancestors were short sighted in the way they handled what they had. There came a point with my parent’s generation that most felt they could not afford to retire in Napa. My grandparents on my mother’s side sold the last of their property and bought a mobile home in Calistoga, where they lived out their remaining years. My grandmother on my father’s side still lives in Napa, as does one of my uncles. But all others, including myself, have moved on because that area is just too expensive. Perhaps, if I win the lottery, I can buy one of those ranches back. But for now, I will live nearby and visit occasionally. "

kdbk wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:19 PM:

" It has been uttelry amazing to watch the rise of property prices in Napa over the past 20 years. Truly, there are many people who have found themselves simply unable to afford good housing in and around the city, even though they often make pretty decent money.

Hopefully the housing market nationwide will recover soon. But in any case, I believe that what we read in the Register on a daily basis tells us that local housing values may never return to their former status. This town is changing in many negative ways.

There once was a time when Napa was well removed from the problems of the inner city. But that is no longer the case. There once was a time when the immigrant population was much better assimilated and was a more balanced part of the coummunity. Anyone who cares and who pays a little attention knows exactly what is going on. Will enough people acknowledge the problem before it's too late? Most of the negative changes in this community in recent years can be easily traced to one particular circumstance. "

007WYNWM wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:43 PM:

" THE SPIRITUAL DESTINY OF AMERICA REVEALED. Geogre Washington's Vision. Read it and you will understand. "

PastNapan wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:26 AM:

" opiniagirl, I live in Granite Bay about 2o minutes outside Sacramento.
At first it was very hard leaving Napa, now when I go back to visit I can hardly wait to leave and come back to my beautiful peaceful town. To SKIP M. I feel for you, I thought I would spend my entire life in Napa, I looked forward to retiring there. "

Skip M. wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:00 AM:

" PastNapan: We're neighbors! Roseville. "

napadad wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:14 AM:

" Im more afraid after reading these posts than Ive ever been from the gang problem in Napa. At least I can identify most gang members on sight. So much hate and derision just because of the word latino is in the header. "

smogone77 wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:47 PM:

" to napan007,
if you and your wife both make over 100k and you're telling you cant afford a house here you are a flat out liar. my brother and his wife make far less than that and own a home here, my mother makes less than that and owns a home here as well. You may not get the biggest and best house napa has to offer, but you certainly can own a home here. And bornin 74 is right, now is the time to get on board the market. I feel bad for all who got caught up in this whole housing fiasco, my brother actually squeaked by a months he told me. He bought his him for 300k. it quickly rose to 550k, he refinanced and then the market dropped. "

Skip M. wrote on Mar 26, 2008 1:09 PM:

" Napadad: Clearly you are missing the point. The “derision” is not against Latinos as a segment of the society, but at the implication that this particular segment is being portrayed as the victim of some conspiracy. The fact is that everyone is impacted in one way or another by the current economy. And there have been plenty of people of all ethnic backgrounds that have gotten themselves in over their heads. The “derision” here is that any of them are seeking some sort of special consideration for their own flawed logic. It comes back to the old saying “You make your bed, you sleep in it.” "

napadad wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Skip, I read the article twice and I find no reference to conspricy . It does speak to Latinos being a large segment of the new home buyers during this period so also being a large segment of those having trouble. There is a slant to many of the posts and it seems to run heavy when Latino is anywhere in the header and its frightening to know that part of the community harbors such ill will towards such a large part of our community. "

winemd wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:29 PM:

" I think the section that smacks of conspiracy is “There’s the layer (to the overall foreclosure problem) where there really are victims and there was greed involved in the underwriting process ... giving people products that they didn’t understand, with first-time buyers relying and trusting on professionals giving them advice.”
There is also an implication that the language barrier caused the Latino homeowners to be more at risk of being victims in this type of scenario. I think the article would have been fine if the headline had just said "homeowners face uphill battle..." The rest of the story is pretty factual. The whole mess is very unfortunate for a lot of people, not just Latino homeowners. "

dantsea wrote on Mar 26, 2008 4:31 PM:

" The subprime meltdown/foreclosure crisis should be a powerful lesson on what unchecked greed (from borrowers AND lenders) can do to our economy and society. It should be that lesson, but instead it's an endless circle of wah-poor-me victimhood from people being tossed out of these homes, with the screams of those fake victims and their enablers getting louder and more enraged any time it's pointed out that their poor math skills and magical thinking got them to where they are now. "

napadad wrote on Mar 26, 2008 6:30 PM:

" unfortunately there are victims and perpetraters in this very lucrative business. We have been paying on our home for almost two decades, about six years ago sought topull some money out for a faltering business and got in with a predatory lender who used bait and switch tactics and really put us in a bind we are still climbing out of and unless you speak fluent legalese its very easy to miss vague and/or misleading phrases in the dozens and dozens of pages of contract. Phrases that always favor the lenders in ways that can be the deathknell for a homeowner. we now pay almost double what our original payments were and the money we attempted to pull out ended up being payed out to the lender in hidden foreclosure costs and other "required fees" that were not visible to the naked eye. Fortunateley we have been paying long enough that the property hasnt fallen in value below the amount of the loan. No conspiracy but a lot of dishonest and greedy brokers who push the loans through use unethical tactics to make a buck. "

jakeass wrote on Mar 27, 2008 10:29 AM:

" If you can't run with the big dogs, then stay on the porch. I'm a renter.
And I don't want to bail out anybody with the taxes I pay again and again(that's to you, Uncle Sam). By the way, the People's Republic of China had 30 billion invested in sub-prime lenders. Nobody owns property. You just borrow it for a little while from Mother Earth, then you die. "

jellybean wrote on Mar 27, 2008 12:45 PM:

" This NVR is all about the Poor latinos all the time...what about the rest of the people, it's not about the Latinos you know!!! It's everyone who is suffering in this recession!!!! For crying out loud, drop the "poor Latino" articles already!! To PastNapan: Where do you live??? I am sick of this town and I refuse to speak Spanish!! Napa has turned into a place I do not like anymore, the gangs, the circus music, the crime.......this City is no good for the middle class people. "

PastNapan wrote on Mar 27, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Jelly Bean, come to Granite Bay. It's beautiful, no grafitti and everyone speaks English. Hey and on weekends we can get together with Skip in Roseville ! "

Skip M. wrote on Mar 27, 2008 2:28 PM:

" WooHoo! I'll grab my boat and meet you all at Folsom Lake. "

brown eyes wrote on Mar 27, 2008 4:07 PM:

" I am also one of many that about to loose a home. I actually went with Marin1 Real Estate. They totally brainwash you. All they think about is their commission. They just want to sell one more house. They ask for you to get other relatives to co-sign even though they know for a fact that we are going to STRUGGLE with the payment They are all full of it. All these brokers think about is upgrading to a nicer car or just more money in their pockets. "

glenroy wrote on Mar 27, 2008 10:53 PM:

"
How silly...the hill is the same height, length and slope for everybody. Hispanic home owner rates are much better than others based on stupid race classifications....the market will get better and if they can’t afford a payment then they should do like the rest of us, rent for while and buy again...and again...and again....and again..whatever it takes. Look around this State and you’ll some very wealthy Hispanics whose only skill when they got here was a big heart and a willingness to work for tomorrow instead of worrying about yesterday.





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petebo wrote on Mar 28, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Those out there that seem to think this is a good time to buy are misguided. I heard the same garbage a year ago when prices had only dipped about 15%. Now we are down another 30% and the chatter about things turning around soon is still flickering about but nothing seems to be abating. There is another 50% decline coming so if you are dumb enough to buy now, you will probably have to move again when you walk away underwater. Prices literally DOUBLED from 2003 to 2005 for no other reason than stated income loans. Those are GONE people! That means that they will NEVER come back. It also means that prices will have to come back down to what they were BEFORE the liar liar loans really made their debut in 2000. A 500k home now will decline 50% to 250k and then we will be close to a bottom. When I hear this kind of thing about the financial markets turning around from a misguided public, it makes me shudder to think how many more victims will fall prey to this illicit scam to inflate home values for profit. The system is failing at every level of government. The slaves are seemingly silent, unaware of what is about to happen. Like lambs being led to slaughter...so very very sad. "

glenroy wrote on Mar 28, 2008 1:14 PM:

" petebo I’m not sure what your source of information is, but it isn’t based on a historically accurate investment perspective. I've been investing for 32 years, I’ve weathered 50% value declines when starting out...we’re no where near that now...if Carter was in office or Obama gets there..then you may end up closer to reality..but for now you’re way ahead of the curve.

This market correction is not going to be nearly as bad as it has been in the past and looked like it was going to be just a few weeks ago...why? With respect to the first time buyer market, take a look at the rental rates...say a Bel-Aire home is roughly $1700.00 monthly...by converting that monthly rental rate to a payment using the current market rate 5.5% mortgage, and declining, you have a bottom market home value of $400,000.00 home..many Bel Aire rents are higher but few lower... when it's cheaper to buy then to rent it's time to start buying again.

Home buying is the last best bet for the wage earner to built a little nest egg....
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common sense wrote on Mar 28, 2008 5:17 PM:

" Pasty white boys are having a hard time too. Welcome to Napa. Even harder than latinos in some cases...there aren't nearly as many free services available for non-minorities. "

anotherguyinnapa wrote on Mar 28, 2008 11:58 PM:

" Woo hoo! Housing prices coming down! Maybe a regular hard-working white man will be able to buy a house again in the future, sans handouts for the poor/disadvantaged/Latino/whatever.
Skip, let's go smoke a doobie at Folsom to celebrate! "

nuttinpersonal wrote on Mar 29, 2008 12:32 AM:

" What governs the price to own a home are two things:

1) The alternatives to the home.
2) The ability for buyers to pay for Napa home ownership.

Ie, supply and demand.

A 10-20% downpayment for a $400K home is $40K - $80K. "No skin in the game" loans are extinct. In a city where the median income is probably about $55K, how many Napa households can do this and meet the requirements of a conforming loan (debt-to-income limits, documentation, assets leftover)?

My guess is not too many (never mind the effect a rather bad recession is going to have on rent and housing.) There is much more to the rent vs. buy calculation for a new homeowner than looking at monthly rent vs. the monthly mortgage payment.

As for supply, the number of homes in the market in Napa is up by more than 75% in just the last 2 years ending in Feb. The number of sales has gone down by 35% in that same time frame. More supply, less demand despite a price per square foot drop of at least 15% (see DataQuick and ZipRealty). You will see an explosion in inventory after this spring. And this is ignoring any new construction.

You might see a little bit of a rebound as the knife-catchers come in and get burned, but in less than 2 years from now, you will see housing prices at least 20% cheaper than they are now.

Do we get petebo's 50% drop from here? $170 per square foot homes does seem like a stretch, especially in this inflationary environment. OTOH, we've never had a housing bubble this bad before. ARMs don't stop resetting until the end of 2010.

Interesting times.
"

Ephemerol wrote on Mar 29, 2008 3:19 AM:

" It's more than overdue at this point in all of our lives to call things as they really are. As others have mentioned there is no shortage of perpetrators in this quagmire of casino capitalism and legalized American drug dealing called real estate sales. With deregulation of the banking and loan industry, airlines and more, the pigs went directly to the trough to feed and they have not stopped for a minute. It's a terrible thing to have to say, however this is all about m-o-n-e-y and nothing else and worse it all feeds on itself and reinforces it's own semblance of normality. I watched daily as the older homes in Marin Co. were bought up in vast lot's by infantile and hyper aggressive hustlers who saw that it was easy pickings in the early '70s and it never stopped for day. We have no social contract in America, no neighborhoods and no communities anymore. They've all been bought up. And now we are all just fighting over the crumbs as well as the price. Greed and vice somehow became a virtue and a very seductive new chic social drug after Vietnam and Watergate.

"

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 29, 2008 1:00 PM:

" smogone77:
You don't know what you are talking about! We make well over $100k (+perfect crdit) and CANNOT afford a house in Napa. $300k houses do not exist in Napa.

But when people are all "sharing" Social Security Numbers the Income level shows ebough to be approved for a $550k loan. Anyone wanna share my SSN? I need some additional income maybe then our family would qualify for a 3 bedroom piece of crap, were not into renting rooms out to entire families, sorry! "

badlandgrl wrote on Mar 29, 2008 10:49 PM:

" If this is the biggest purchase one will make in their lives, wouldn't a couple thousand more to get an attorney to read and help you understand the paperwork worth it? Oh that's right, when life catches up with your overspending you wouldn't have an excuse to complain then right?
It should be pretty much Black and White. Here are what your payments are, property taxes etc..... can't afford it????? Don't buy you morons! "

KCK wrote on Mar 30, 2008 7:31 AM:

" BOO HOO! So another apartment/parking garage closes. Good for the nieghborhood. The government won't bail you out this time. "

KCK wrote on Mar 30, 2008 7:38 AM:

" "After a few months of barely making the $1,800 mortgage" I missed this. So if the rooms rented at say $300 That leaves him at 1200. Crap I wish my house payment was 1200. I'd love to see 1800. Sorry, I just dont feel bad. I'm sure somone will stand up and sue on behalf out the poor latino that got taken advantage of. Sickening. "

KCK wrote on Mar 30, 2008 7:39 AM:

" 2,900 a month. Still cheaper. "

109823 wrote on Mar 30, 2008 10:23 AM:

" Right on KCK, my sentiments exactly, but when I post the same comments the NVR chooses to delete mine. I'll post vicariously thru you. "

Dirty Napkin wrote on Mar 31, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Michelle Smith @ Wells Fargo Home Mortgage Is awesome! She warned of the first year.. And the facts about the loans! She rocks! If you ask her the truth she will tell you every time! "

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