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Did you catch the blood bath in the comments section after the Napa Fair announced that there would be a Mexican theme to the Fair this year, complete with Mexican music and food? Not that we all aren’t eating Mexican food a lot anyway. It was long and it was ugly.

People, it is just a theme for a fair. It has nothing to do with illegal immigration, or any immigration. The only effect it had is to slam local Hispanics personally. It doesn’t solve any immigration problems. It ends up as race-based bashing, and nativism, rather than what it is, simply a theme for a fair.
I don’t think that most of the people who are upset about the Mexican based theme are racists, or that they really dislike Mexicans. Not most of them, anyway.

But if not, then what are they? They are clearly frustrated and angry people. Having said that what they did was wrong and unfair, I also have to defend them and say that there is something legitimate things they are angry about, they are just taking it out in the wrong place in the wrong way.
To understand, we have to back up a bit. Psychologist Abraham Maslow identified in the 1960s the needs of human beings, arranging them in a hierarchy based on which needs are strongest and must be met first before you go on to other, what he called higher needs. The most basic needs were for safety and security, i.e. food, shelter, and the very next one is the need to belong.

The need to belong is one of the most basic needs that we have, we cannot survive without a sense of belonging to others and it drives a huge amount of our behavior. And it was driving the immigrant bashing behavior that day on the Fiesta de Napa thread.
When you grow up in a town, you experience that town the way it is for you as a kid and you develop a strong attachment to it and the way it is. It is "my town". When the world changes as much and as rapidly as ours has, it creates a lot of anxiety for people, they lose their place in their own world, they can feel like strangers in their own town.

This is a big part of the underlying psychology behind immigrant bashing. So many new people coming in, of any stripe, and those who get their sense of value and belonging there find that source of comfort has been stolen, and they get mad about it. And well they should. It is not bad to feel that way.

The fact that the world has gone through so many rapid changes has disrupted our basic sense of identity, and is behind a lot of the confusion and alienation we see around us, politically and socially. The old values that brought us all together have been disrupted, you see this strongly in issues like gay marriage and immigration.

We need new values that incorporate something we can all feel a part of to feel connected. That is what the idea of multiculturalism could have been, but unfortunately that got hijacked by partisans and turned into something else that actually divides us, not brings us together.

This is the legitimate message of the Fair bashers, they feel isolated in their own community, with huge changes that they don’t like and don’t feel like they can control or have any impact over. This leads to huge frustration and anger.

What is wrong is to blame the newcomers, whoever they may be. They are not the problem. Government policy and the lack of enforcement is the problem.

I can’t solve this problem in one short column, or even detail it out much. But I suggest two things.

One is that we all be aware that we need community, we need to find shared values that we can all be a part of, no matter what part of the world or nation or race we may be from. Indeed, this is one of the biggest challenges of our age on every level. We need alliances at home as much as we need alliances in the world.

And we need to support the Fiesta de Napa. Let‚s make this year’s Fair the biggest and best yet.
123 comment(s)

musikluvr wrote on Mar 6, 2008 2:28 PM:

" When California began to be settled by people from the mid west and east coast of the United States in the 19th Century they came here uninvited. California was first a possession of Spain and second a protectorate of Mexico. Both Spain and Mexico quartered military here, had regional governors and local governments and laws. Hunters, settlers and gold miners came here without permission. They killed local indians, usurped the land and physically attacked and imprisoned the rightful Mexican authorities. The reality is that "White Americans" were the first "very ugly illegal immigrants" in California. "

Bill wrote on Mar 6, 2008 2:29 PM:

" N.B. I knew there was something I liked about you. There is common ground. These are excellent observations avoiding the polarization policies of both parties on the subject. You correctly point out the frustration and anger many people feel without devolving it into race or culture baiting.

Many of the posters to that blog may be confused by change but many harbor out right hate for anything and anyone who is different or even hints a t being different from the imagined norm. Some hide that hatred behind the idea that culture does not change or that we live in the same circumstances today that existed 30 years ago. The physical world may not change substantially but the human situation does change and many times dramatically.

I have lived in this valley a long time and I have seen special tributes to different groups that contribute to our society and culture under varying circumstances, across the total span of my life I have witnessed first hand racial hatred and bigotry from people who might be considered to be reasonable and educated as well as those without a clue. However I have never observed such outright hatred as can be found on the web. The Register has done an excellent job cleaning up much of the posts other wise I am certain you would have much more to add to your column.

I am sure we will argue over the issue of immigration in the future. Becareful or some one will mistake you for a Liberal.
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napablogger wrote on Mar 6, 2008 5:25 PM:

" Well Bill, what do you know. The love fest is making me all embarassed. :) Just so we both feel better, I am totally against an open border and feel that we have let our population grow way too much. All of that population growth is coming from south of the Border. But it is wrong to blame Mexicans, they are here because we want them here. And they are great people. There are proper ways to handle the problem, and an outburst of ugly racial, I won't say racist but racial comments is not the way to go. Changing government policy and dealing with the intracacies of the issues involved is the way to go. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 6, 2008 5:31 PM:

" Musikluvr, all correct but one thing, unless you think that the Spanish/Mexicans stole it fair and square from the Indians. Of course, there is Kennesaw man, a red haired white guy skeleton found in Oregon that predates the Indians. The history of the world is of one people stealing territory from another. I say finders keepers losers weepers. If the Indians or Mexicans want it back, they will have to deal with the Marines, if they can beat them, ok. :) Being a bit tongue in cheek here but we are here, we own it, and we can do whatever we want with it including shutting down population growth, like Napa Pipe for instance. It all ties together somewhere. "

kevin wrote on Mar 6, 2008 6:03 PM:

" Where do you come up with this stuff? Everyone knows the most basic need is sex! (I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.) I think the issue with the fair has more to do with people confusing "illegal immigrant" with "immigrant". Everyone complaining about the Fiesta theme will be out pounding down Coronas on May 5th and won't think twice about it... "

Bill wrote on Mar 6, 2008 9:16 PM:

" N.B. no love fest, your making kevin nervous. You and I will definitely disagree even clash with the the root causes, economics, reasons, responsibility of illegal immigration, what should be done to stem it. Open border is a campaign slogan, secure borders is responsible. Please notice the slight change makes a world of difference in framing thethat debate. "

musikluvr wrote on Mar 6, 2008 9:18 PM:

" Well thanks for the info on "Kennesaw Man". The truth is that no one group of people hold title to anything. What we do is fight and kill off anyone we don't like our daughters marrying. Like Cromagnons did to Neanderthals and the Argentines did to the Patagons and the "Americans" did to the indians. I am sure there are many other examples of genocide but who really cares as long as they don't come home to dinner. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:27 PM:

" musikluvr, you have so much faith in your fellow man it warms my heart. :) "

napablogger wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:29 PM:

" Kevin, that's funny, and you are right, that is why I am saying we are all eating Mexican food a lot. Is that contributing to illegal immigration? Its pretty good food is what I think. Maybe sex is part of belonging, of a certain kind. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:34 PM:

" Bill, I agree, secure borders. But we have let too many people into this country and this state and we can't handle it. Although I am joking a bit with musikluvr, I actually disagree with him. Most people are decent, caring people who will treat others with respect. When they feel that they are being taken advantage of and that harm is being done to them, and they have no outlet to express that and change that is when they get nasty, like in the Faire de Napa column. This is what I am trying to say in my column. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:23 AM:

" This is the first time there has ever been a theme for the fair that was specific to ONE culture. This, in my eyes, is discrimination. It is exclusive, and wrong. Yes there are ugly overtones. The ugliness is in choosing a culurally specific theme. If we are wanting to celebrate different cultures, then let's be inclusive, and do a world culture theme. In my opinion, this has nothing to do with immigrants and everything to do with resentment of one culture being celebrated and catered to over all the other cultures. Is anyone surprised by the uproar that insued???? In todays climate??? AND in voicing their opposition, are those opposed supposed to avoid the use of the word hispanic, in order to be PC, or to avoid being called racist? This is not about hispanics, but about exclusion. I saw a very small amount of immigrant bashing, but the majority of thoses opposed were angry at the exclusion displayed by the fair board. That being said, if I do attend the fair, it will continue to be with the lack of regularity I have attended in the past. :)...ok I hate the stupid L,1...I now make my 5th attempt at posting with yet my 5th L/1 in the code.....6th attempt "

winemd wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:57 AM:

" The theme for the fair has certainly become a flash point, hasn't it? I wish that everyone from both sides would take a deep breath, and realize that most people, American (of whatever descent), or from another culture, are doing the best they can, love their families, and are more alike than different. And that all people who appear to be Hispanic are not here illegally. "

Bill wrote on Mar 7, 2008 4:43 PM:

" N.B. Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t the fair one big party? Or Fiesta? I would think some people might be more offended by a stereotype and characterization if that were intended rather than a party theme. If it were intended there would be more justifiable out rage by those so stereotyped.

I find the theme to be a justifiable marketing tool. No different than targeting any other sector of the population. It is Capitalism at work and working well. I think those that object to it do so for many reasons chief among them is the stated goal of attracting more Latinos to alleviate a flat line attendance and they are offended because they see it as honoring or recognizing one specific community over another. They may also be offended because it is smart business.

If there were another singularly community that could be so readily identified with such a propensity to spend as the Latino community there would be a marketing effort to attract them also.

The uproar over culture is rather misdirected in this instance we should just enjoy and celebrate as in viva Italia or ST. Patrick’s day and maybe promote an Oktoberfest. My Sociology is not as good as yours so if some professor could kindly correct my belief that a description or definition of culture would be inclusive and one of society as being exclusive?

Lets party.
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opiniagirl wrote on Mar 7, 2008 11:50 PM:

" Kevin, you crack me up! You and my husband should go bowling; you have so much in common!

I think this is an interesting theory...it rings true in some ways...I do picture myself at the fair feeling out of place in my own city, not speaking the primary language of the fair, overcrowding, unsupervised little kids, gang fights, etc. For the same reason I don't go to WalMart on the 1st of the month, I will not be attending the fair this year. I think that the issue of separation and not fitting in possibly stems most from the immigrants’ (illegal or otherwise) apparent lack of commitment to integrate themselves into this community, country and culture. Refusal to learn the language and embracement of the Mexican ‘vs’ the American Flag are just 2 examples that really set people off. How do we mesh these cultures when these ultra high barriers refuse to come down? Now it feels as though the pendulum has swung to far the opposite direction. You won’t come to us, so we’ll come to you! I'm going to need a translator to tell me what the show is about at the fair??? It was exploitative, irresponsible and culturally insensitive to choose this theme to begin with.
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Sandra wrote on Mar 8, 2008 7:50 AM:

" Bill,
I agree this decision was made to bring a larger attendance to the fair. It is a marketing tool. But time will tell if was a smart marketing tool. And the fair board should also consider that exclusion is just wrong. Some things should not just be about more money. This is a county fair. The county has many cultures. Napa has a sizable portugeuse population, italians, asians, greeks, germans, etc. All American citizens, and this is their fair, also. Again, the fair board should be looking at ways to bring all of napa to the fair, not one segment. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 8, 2008 11:05 AM:

" Sandra, your argument is silly. Would you not go to a Greek restaurant because it is only celebrating one culture and insist they have dishes from arouind the world? Or buy pants that had cotton made only in Alabama and insist that they weave in cotton from around the world? By having a Mexican theme the fair is not discriminating against every other culture in the world, any more than by having animal themes in the last two years they were discriminating against humans and plants. It's a silly argument on the face of it. That is because you are mixing up a theme for a fair with a statement about immigration and culture. It's a theme for a fair, not a political congress of some sort where every point of view has to be represented to be fair. By projecting your feelings about immigration from Mexico into the fair theme, it turns it into a criticism of Mexicans themselves. That is what is not fair. Be against immigration if you want, I think we have to get it under control myself, but don't mix up issues because all that happens with this is that it comes across as personal criticism of the people themselves. It does bring up feelings of exclusion, but the exclusion I think is the exclusion that native white Napans feel from their own town because it has changed so much. Napa has changed, many more Mexicans are here and here to stay, so we have to find a way for all of us to have that sense of belonging to the same town. My sense is that most of the Mexicans want exactly that. I see a lot of Mexican farm workers with American flags on their trucks. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 8, 2008 11:09 AM:

" winemd, those are nice sentiments and are certainly true, but we have to do more than that. The people who are angry have to be listened to, but they have to figure out what they are really mad about and direct it in a more constructive way. But I think we need to hear that anger, and if they had a more healthy channel to express it this wouldn't have to happen. Our political officials are not listening to the discontent. That is why I will not put them down for getting mad, and why I tried to start a more constructive dialogue with my article. Not sure if I am succeeding at that, either. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 8, 2008 11:19 AM:

" opinonagirl, thank you for getting what I am trying to say. But I think the white community feels alienated themselves, it is not just that the Mexicans have a different culture. Most of the Mexicans are trying to integrate, indeed want to integrate with the American culture. I think a lot of the problem is that we have just had so many new people at once. Immigration levels have been so high that it is like a shock. It takes time to change and to integrate and things have just been moving way too fast. One thing is that people dont really talk about it around here. I lived in Oakland and in Orlando, and I was talking to my neices here who go to Napa schools about the differences in blacks between the two, and they were shocked that I would even talk about race. They said no one ever talks about it at school here, it is a taboo subject. People pretend it isn't going on because it is uncomfortable, so then we get these explosions. Not healthy. Everyone is so afraid of being politically incorrect. The truth is that Napa is one quarter Mexican and that is not likely to change. We all have to learn to adapt to that, and ultimately as I have said, what that means is that we have to find values that we share and can bring us together. I think that saying it is American with a culture that is ongoing is a reasonable position, and that liberals have done a disservice by trying to wholesale end that and turn it into a whole new multicultural nonsense. But we have to let ourselves be changed to some extent by the newcomers and their differences as well. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 8, 2008 11:45 AM:

" Bill, you have nailed it on the head. It is just a theme for a fair, designed to increase attendance by engaging a big part of the community to attend. I don't think people are offended by capitalism, though, I think they are projecting their anger about government immigration policy into an otherwise neutral event. And that is sad because when you direct your anger at something other than what you are really mad about, it is destructive. That is why I say we need a community dialogue about immigration. Sadly, when the liberals take the stage to have this kind of dialogue all they do is shame the people who are angry about immigration by scolding them for being racists, also missing the entire point from the other side of the coin. "

winemd wrote on Mar 8, 2008 12:19 PM:

" I appreciate that others do not like the theme for the fair, and that they have reasons for that. I guess that I just don't see it as excluding the rest of us of whatever descent.

My experience with the Hispanic people I have met is that they want to learn English and ask for my help by asking for words and corrections. It seems that many people believe that most Hispanics are not like that. Many of the parents I come in contact with are glad when someone in authority can speak in thier language (like teachers) so that they can communicate clearly about their concerns. English is a very hard language to learn; just about every "rule" is broken sometimes. It is tiring to be surrounded by another language all the time, and of course when they are talking to each other it is easier to speak Spanish. All of the ones iknow make an effort, though, and I try to facilitate their communication, even though my Spanish reaches about kindergarten level. Just to be clear, I believe that people who come here should do so legally, and that they will have an easier time finding the American dream by learning English (which takes some time).

Most of the people who oppose the theme (at least those whose comments were approved) are not racist, but frustrated because they see it as dissing the American culture. Most of the people in favor see it as adding something to our community, not subtracting from it. We are not all going to agree, and that should be fine.

It seems to me that there are better places to express frustration with these issues than the fair theme, which could be a lot of fun. "

winemd wrote on Mar 8, 2008 12:26 PM:

" I was not trying to put anyone down, and I am sorry if it came across that way. Liking or disliking the theme is a matter of personal preference. I agree with you that the frustration with these larger issues is valid, and I have some of the same frustrations about illegal immigration.

It could be worse-in Canada the minority culture has a much bigger sway ;-) and the griping is unbelievable! "

Sandra wrote on Mar 8, 2008 1:32 PM:

" Napablogger, quite the contrary, your analogy is silly. It would apply if there were ONLY greek restaurants to go to. There are not. There are a very large variety. This is the communities fair, not the hispanics fair. You miss the point. It is a marketing ploy to attract the most dollars into the fair. I am not confusing it with immigration, illegal aliens, or any of that. I find it quite offensive that you project that onto me. The theme is set up to attract the hispanic population. I object to a theme that singles out any ethnic group or culture. I would object if it was an Italian theme only, or a German theme only, etc. I find it to be discriminatory to focus on one culture over all the others. We are a community of many cultures and ethnic backgrounds....This is a community event.....celebrate them all, or celebrate none. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 8, 2008 2:38 PM:

" Sandra you assume that because it has an hispanic theme that it means it discludes everyone else. mIt is not set up only to attract the Hispanic population, it is set up to attract all of us. It only discludes you and people like you because you want it too. Because you don't like hispanic themes because you associate them with illegal immigration. But it is just a theme for a fair, not a statement about immigration policy. I wonder why that is so hard to get. I am saying that you would not feel that way about the fair unless you were projecting hostility into the reasons for picking that theme onto the organizers, accusing them of supporting exclusion of you and other Napans by that choice. You say you object to a theme that only includes one culture. So if the fair had decided to focus on Greek food and Greek music and culture, you would be offended by that? It doesn't have anything to do with the immigration issue? All fairs everywhere have to have muliticultural themes, otherwise they offend you. There is only one fair, true, but that is per year. There are a variety of themes from year to year. If the theme were Mexicans every year maybe you would have a better point. But even then, it is still just a fair theme, not an immigration issue. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 8, 2008 2:41 PM:

" Winemd, no your comment didn't come across as putting anyone down, that is not what I meant. Everyone taking a deep breath is probably a good idea, but my point is then use the breath to keep talking. Just taking a deep breath is not enough, and it can appear when you say that as though that will solve somehow solve the problem. I think both sides of this issue need to communicate more, and respect each others opinions and the reasons that they have them. And perhaps that is your point. "

Suze wrote on Mar 8, 2008 6:41 PM:

" Well this comment page certainly has a community feel to it! However, no apparent Hispanic postings? I was one who also objected to the 'theme' mainly because it did not embrace the whole community. I think the fair should be full on Americana and that is not Mexico. I truly like and enjoy most of the Hispanics I know and work with, but this feels as though my race (a whitey mix), has been left out. It is a fact of life that people are very tribal and I believe they always will be, it is something we retain from our cave ancestry. What was obvious from the amount of negative comment on the fair story is that there is VERY deep resentment over the illegal immigration problem, and it is a problem for the average Joe because they are paying for it. I think the Fair theme was not fully thought through and very unwise. "

sickothis wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:32 PM:

" Napablogger - I am confused. Just the other day you were on the radio (Monday around 5:20) talking about homes in a unmentioned neighborhood with 20-30 people living there and 5 or 8 cars in the yard. A whole neighborhood I believe you said. I think you are just as guilty as the completely mindless ranters that blame all of their troubles on the "Illegals" "

kdbk wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:56 PM:

" Oh, goodness yes, michael haley, like the other supporters of this silly fair theme idea, you want to make sure we all know what a great fair it's going to be and what a great time you're going to have without the rest of us. Try to remember that we're quite o.k. not going to a fair promoted by those who obviously care nothing about our feelings as proud Americans of all races and ethnicities.
Go ahead and ignore the dozens of people claiming hispanic origin who've written in on this issue...and who've stated their disgust with this pathetic fair theme. It only makes it all the more obvious that your argument is without logic, fact or common sense to support it.
As our nation becomes more and more like the third-world, influenced by the most down-trodden people from south of our border, things will increasingly get worse for our overall standard of living. Do you think that you and your ilk will somehow be immune to the negative consequences that will surely develop? Don't be so irresponsible. It's not "just a fair theme".
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Concerned Citizen wrote on Mar 9, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Oh, enough of the pseudo amateur psycho babble. The frustration which is apparent on these blog pages and topics which, btw, is indicative of the majority of Napans (most of whom do not subscribe to or read the NVR) has nothing to do with this ridiculous attempt to talk away the anger law abiding citizens feel about the arrogance and entitlement of those who enter this country illegally and those who defend the practice.

What is it about "entering the U.S. illegally" are people missing? Again, just because Mexico shares a contiguous border w/the U.S. does not give Mexican carte blanche to enter this country w/out documentation as all other nationalities (except those escaping political persecution) MUST do.

Stop apologizing. And, also, btw; just how does one explain the expoential and rapid growth of "latinos" in Napa, California, and ALL border states? Birth rates? All legal residents? I doubt it, and anyone who denies this is either blatantly deceitful, horribly terrified of being labeled xenophobic, natavist, or worse, or blindly ignorant...all of which are not acceptable.

There IS a problem w/illegal immigration. Even the head of this article says "...ugly anti immigration," not "...ugly anti ILLEGAL immigration.

Until the media, politicians and other power players step up, admit this problem exists and act in behalf of American taxpayers, the foment and anger WILL NOT disipate.

Now, psycho babble this. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 9, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Napablogger, PLEASE quit telling me what I ASSUME....you do have to know what that word, broken down, means, do you not? I do not associate hispanic themes w/ illegal immigration. I am not arguing this point because I am against illegal immigration. Geez, what a stretch that would be, and how you make it is amazing. I am arguing it purely on the basis of the way I see our society heading in relation to different cultures. I have rarely even attended the fair in recent years, because, in my opinion, the fair has been poorly run for quite a while. MY POINT is that whether you like it or not, many in the community are offended by a theme they find exclusive. I WILL assume this is for many, many different reasons. Because you THINK it is about dislike of illegal immigrants does not make that the predominate reason. I am offended by your "ignorant" (this word seems to be allowed again) assertations, and because this is the United States, and we are a melting pot of many cultures. I think celebrating those cultures is great. I think celebrating one culture for an event that is a community event is exclusive. We have Cinco de Mayo, we have St. Patricks day, we have Octoberfest, we have Portuguese events,etc., all of that is wonderful, and set up to celebrate the culures of those groups. Yes, the fair has a variety of themes, but we have NEVER had a fair with a theme that focuses on one culture, and we should not start now. The fair is a community event for the COMMUNITY. I think the fair board is making a huge mistake, yet another, in a long line of mistakes, in running the fair. SILLY NAPABLOGGER... "

napablogger wrote on Mar 9, 2008 11:14 AM:

" sick of this, it is not that hard to figure out. Way overcrowding of a neighborhood affects the quality of life there. It is a real issue. Eating Mexican food and listening to Mexican music at a fair is entertainment. It's not a problem. Fight over something real. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 9, 2008 11:25 AM:

" kdbk, I don't think because the fair is a Mexican theme means it will be somehow lower class or third world like you imply. If you feel like your town has been invaded and its culture is changing in a way that makes you feel alienated, my suggestion is that you fight it based on something real, not trashing a fair. Work on getting the government to enforce the laws about housing and overcrowding, for one thing. Another is to work toward a better immigration policy by the Federal government. Spend some of all this energy doing something that will actually help the situation. Mexicans are part of our community and we need to work toward integration. I think the Mexicans or other Hispanics that wrote in feel the same way, in the sense that this is America and they feel that as Hispanics they should work toward integration into the community. I respect that and agree with that, but the whites should work toward integrating with them as well. One thing we ought to do is seperate individuals from government policy, treat individuals with respect and make our government the way we want it to be. We have allowed way too many immigrants to come in over the last few years, but that is our fault, not theirs. Don't attack them personally now that they are here. There are two levels to this, immigration policy, and how we treat others in our community. Those are two seperate things and to deal with this you have to be able to sort those two things out. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Mar 9, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Napablogger, very good observation. You hit the nail on the head. Probably ALL forms of discrimination derive from something set deeply into our brains for survival. When humans were primitive, a group within a territory became very protective of limited resources (food gathering and hunting were costly activities in terms of energy and risk to life). Unless an outsider could prove that he was more giver than taker, he was forced to move elsewhere, far beyond the borders of a territory. When a network between groups strengthened due to trading, groups would occasionally accept outsiders but they were certainly selective in who they invited in. Groups had to form strong bonds in order to combat outside threats. Today, we define it as community. That deep seeded primitive reaction is still very much with us. It's a survival mechanism and, for better or worse, it kept the group orderly through selective maintenance of population. "

steph wrote on Mar 9, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Napablogger, I agree with you 100%. I am disgusted with my government for encouraging economic dependence on the taxpayers and for not enforcing the law. I resent the fact that immigrants from all over the world are allowed to enter the US and start taking before they give anything to our country (Russian immigrants, Asian immigrants, etc.) I do not approve of what I consider bad behavior demonstrated by some of every ethnic background and color and generation, including Americans. I am appalled that other cultures can come to the most generous, prosperous country in the world, and demand and receive concessions to their old way of life (ie., Sharia laws). I want people to come here and support the culture, including the laws, that make this country better than the country they chose to leave. I do not, however, expect them to drop all their cultural identity as they cross the border. I'm weary of reading others' comments that previous generations of immigrants all immediately assimilated; I don't believe it. There is no evidence to support this assertion. These things take time. Education in our country is compulsory. Every little American child born of immigrants legal or not, is educated in American schools in English, and taught our history and our way of life--they're Americanized. It pains me to read here things like "THEY don't want to assimilate" when I sit with Latino parents on the sidelines at a basketball game or soccer game, cheering our children as they play together. It occurs to me that we have a lot in common, not the least of which is a love for our children and a desire for a good life for them. Were I in their shoes I hope I'd have their courage. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 9, 2008 12:36 PM:

" N.B.

I take some issue with the fact that you do not seem to differentiate between immigrant and illegal immigrant. Also I think it is silly to say that it is our “fault” for allowing them in. We didn’t “allow them” in by failing to keep them out. That is a slippery slope argument. It’s like saying that if you leave your keys in the car it’s your fault when the thief steals it. While you may carry a minimal moral responsibility, the criminal is always at fault legally. I agree with that ALL people just want to raise their families and do the best that they can. I think that if I were from the corrupt country of Mexico, I would run, jump, swim and hop over whatever I had to get to America, especially since there seem to be no consequences for this criminal act. American agencies fight for the rights of illegal Mexican’s more than Mexico does. Ahh – you’re thinking hypocrite!

So here is what makes the difference…I would be so incredibly thankful to the country that is essentially offering me “asylum” that I would do everything I can to integrate myself into the community that “rescued” me. I would learn English, fly and American Flag, try to become a citizen, refrain from reproducing until I am established legally and refrain from exhausting government programs. To do anything else is to stand on a pedestal (now called Fiesta de Napa) laughing and pointing at the Americans, that put food on your plate and a roof over your head, while chanting “Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, you can’t catch me” in Spanish as you flip the bird.
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JimClark wrote on Mar 9, 2008 12:55 PM:

" I'm sure Mr. Haley forgot to put the word illegal before immigrant. I can kind of understand not having a Scottish theme at the Fair. Hagus is not all that popular

Fairs have always been an American event and singling out one culture smacks of prejudice. "

lebertm wrote on Mar 9, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Okay, here comes a comment with something that most others here do not have, expertise. First off, I am from Los Angeles, arguably the epicenter of the illegal invasion. I saw a community completely change from white to black to now hispanic, and at this point the hispanics want the remaining blacks out; this can be referenced in the media with stories of violence against blacks with the specific stated purpose of an ethnic cleansing of the area. Now, in regards to the fair having a Mexican theme, I personally see no issue with it because I am not a racist and it's just a theme but I am a realist and America is changing greatly, whether its for the best or not who knows. But let us stay with the facts, I've encountered many persons from Mexico who have lived here for years and still have not learned English and I say why should they; in Los Angeles most literature is written in Spanish, sometimes only Spanish. I myself am of hispanic origin, so I have an insider perspective that most whites in Napa will never gain; from what I have learned to date, this land once was Spanish and eventually if we continue on our current path it will return to them in a de facto type fashion. I am the first to acknowledge that there is good and bad in all races and peoples and that the Mexican people are a hard working and contributing people but we cannot simply rest our thoughts and actions on that fact. Our society is a unique one in that we have always welcomed and prospered with the 'come one, come all' attitude. "

misfit wrote on Mar 9, 2008 2:59 PM:

" Why does no one ever complain about the incessant Wine themes and for goodness sake, an entire month of a ...Mustard theme?
Give your minds a rest and let it be. It might be fun. You create your own reality with all of this negativity and anger and hatred. Are those American values? So...what then would an Americana theme be celebrating? "

glenroy wrote on Mar 9, 2008 3:51 PM:

" Amen Clark...but Wallace seems to be in vogue....who knows what might break out if a troop of kilts paraded about the fair....
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opiniagirl wrote on Mar 9, 2008 5:41 PM:

" Misfit:

For the same reason that nobody complains about Copia themes, NV Museum themes, new movie release themes or the Happy Meal toy themes at McDonalds.

Because these are not county events! Because they have no community impact! The “County” fair is held to a higher standard by the people it is suppose to serve.

I have yet to read a post that is angry, negative or hateful on this blog. People are frustrated and I think that discussing it with each other is constructive; why should anyone stop. I say...Keep it up!

Often this subject is so Taboo that people do not say what they feel because of the responses that you just gave. How are people going to change their perspective if they just stop talking about it?
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opiniagirl wrote on Mar 9, 2008 5:51 PM:

" Lebertm:

You say: “…the Mexican people are a hard working and contributing people but we cannot simply rest our thoughts and actions on that fact. Our (Hispanic?) society is a unique one in that we have always welcomed and prospered with the 'come one, come all' attitude. "."

but above

You say: “…at this point the Hispanics want the remaining blacks out; this can be referenced in the media with stories of violence against blacks with the specific stated purpose of an ethnic cleansing…”

Wow! Didn’t Hitler try that….didn’t work out too well for him did it?

I can’t imagine a example of a double standard!

The good people of CA will never allow what you are suggesting. Which is (I think, correct me if I am wrong) that eventually all of CA will be back in the hands of Mexicans and we should just get used to it.
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napablogger wrote on Mar 9, 2008 7:14 PM:

" Steph, thank you. The big difference now with all the hispanic immigration is the size, the numbers are huge compared to immigration in the past. Some Italians living in New York who immigrated as adults never really learned to speak English, Irish in Boston were discriminated against terribly for decades, it really only ended when JFK got elected President. The difference now is when you have Italians immigrate to New York and there are a hundred thousand of them and 30,000 don't try to learn English, that is their problem. You have ten million Mexicans immigrate to California and 3 million of them don't try to learn english, and they create a whole spanish culture with stores, churches, etc. My point is that the numbers are the problem, not that people are all that much different in their responses. If Napa was only 3% Mexican, do you think anyone would care? We have let in more immigrants, and I mean both legal and illegal, in the sense I am speaking they are the same because what bothers me is the environment and quality of life issues. And it is about population, from anywhere, legal or otherwise. If your cousin is down on his luck and wants to live with you a while, ok. If all ten cousins come to live, that destroys the quality of life in your house. If there are smaller numbers they will integrate more easily, and the ones who don't wont be noticed--it will be their problem. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 9, 2008 7:31 PM:

" thanks vocal de local, I am sure that is true. Opiniagirl, good name btw, and Jim, as I wrote in my last post I do mean all immigrants. Now in some senses it is a very important distinction but in terms of what I am concerned about there is not much difference. For example McCain and Bush had a plan to just make millions of illegal immigrants legal. Viola, they are legal, problem solved, right? Wrong, just calling them legal is just changing the name of the problem. The problem is too many, and within that if you enforce the law and a certain number are allowed under the law, then legal vs illegal has meaning. And when I say we let them in, we have. We have set up our whole economy to make a space for them, employ them as soon as they get here, and basically have allowed a situation where we have a sign out, come on in we need and you want you. The law says one thing, but the law says you shouldn't roll through a stop sign either and if they never enforce it, it means it doesn't count. Any law enforcement that tried to enforce the immigration laws were intentionally hamstrung by the rules. They still won't let a lot of sheriff's and local law enforcement ask about immigrations status. That is us wanting them here. It hasn't changed yet although most people are really upset about it, including me. "

irishman wrote on Mar 9, 2008 9:53 PM:

" you better wake up people, this country is being stolen from us and the invaders has not fired one shot, our culture is being stomped on and our heritage is slowly chipped away at.while it seems no one really cares, its great to come to the U.S.A. and melt in like all the legal ones did ,but to come and just blankly exploit this country is not right. i still cannot figure out who is minding the store in napa, "

jt wrote on Mar 9, 2008 10:26 PM:

" it's a sensational fact of reality that some of the best backwaiters, grape pickers, and family people of the napa valley are of a hispanic race. if you want to immerse yourself in a sinful act then be critical of an illegal immigrant. father junipero serra, and father vallejo both worked with this culture so why can't you? you're a sinful criminal. if you want your wine to taste good hire an illegal immigrant. "

Rocco wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:56 AM:

" """ If you want to immerse yourself in a sinful act then be critical of an illegal immigrant """ Golly Gee, I wonder why so many people are upset. I can't figure it out. Maybe I should write a big long column wondering why the Non-Latino Napa citizens are worried. Let's hire a Diversity Coach to help us with our breathing exercises and cleanse us from these hateful racist feelings. Help me, I'm sooooo confused! "

JimClark wrote on Mar 10, 2008 1:36 PM:

" LiberM: Before you prslytise, maybe you should learn some history of Napa. Los Angeles? Gimme a break. Napa's history has been a veritable stew pot of cultures. Before you inject your "LA" mentality, take the time to see another place as less than pretentious as LA. To be fair, certain mentalities in Napa are grossly arrogant and pretentious but most of them are living in a dream world they created and it come back and bite them on their delusional gluteals. "

kdbk wrote on Mar 10, 2008 7:28 PM:

" napablogger poses a quaint, if not sadly confused rendition of my last post. I speak in simple, clear terms because some appreciate that, and others require it in order to keep pace with the discussion. But keeping it simple doesn't always seem to work, no matter how hard one tries, as evidenced by napabloger's very confused interpretation of what I wrote.
So, napablogger, let's try again. I never implied a single thing regarding the quality of the actual fair production under the theme Fiesta de Napa. I simply (oh-so simply) commented on how adopting themes, attitudes and values from the third world could result in our society becoming more like the third world...and how that might not be a good thing. But it's o.k. if you want to deliberately avoid what is said as well as the context in which it's said. There are plenty, PLENTY of people in Napa, and all over the country, of all races and ethnicities, who will ultimately solve the problems related to the third-world innundation of our Southern and Western states. You don't have to do a thing to help. You don't even have to acknowledge the problem. "

mikeb wrote on Mar 10, 2008 9:00 PM:

" If they bastardize the American flag by commingling it with the colors of the Mexican flag they won't get my support this year or any other. I say shame on Mr. Halley for this PC comdemnation of people expressing their frustration with the loss of our borders language and culture. This move by the Fair is as much a political statement as it is a marketing campaign. If this is the direction the Fair decides to go, I'll be joining the many others who are counting the days until the State unloads that prime piece of real estate for redevelopment into something actually beneficial to our community. "

Reality Check wrote on Mar 11, 2008 6:57 AM:

" Shame on you Haley! Ugly? Ugly? The only thing ugly about our current situation is the convoluted PC corner we've painted ourselves into. Like a bunch of self-hating complacent sheeple, we've sat on the sidelines and watched the decline of our community. The title of your rant is also insulting. I'm the child of an immigrant, a legal immigrant that did it the right way. I'm not upset with immigration...I love legal Mexican-Americans...I'm just getting sick of illegal Mexicans in America. 10% of Mexico's nationals have already invaded; and now we're giving them their own fair? How did we become so whiped? "

Bill wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Fair theme.

A fiesta theme whose marketing aim is attracting the Latino (Mexican) sector of society is discriminatory. (Declarative sentence)

Because the fair theme excludes all other sectors from its marketing aim it is discriminatory. Therefore the fair should consider only themes that include all sectors of society.

Proper theme examples: rainbow theme, multi-cultural celebration, world appreciation and universal recognition or the diversity fair.

Absolutely no race, culture or ethnic specific content is to be permitted. No language other than English will be used in the title or any subsequent part of the fair as this excludes those who understand only English and is therefore also discriminatory.

It is further asserted that all fair content i.e. programming, vendors, service groups and organizations adhere to these guidelines. This will be deemed to include any specific foreign language or national reference, other than the United States of America.

All fair activities must conform to this dictum.

This is actually a valid logical statement. Now imagine its strict application as a non-discriminatory doctrine. There may be flaws in the argument, if so pick it apart. Take a look at what is called conservative and liberal and see where it fits these concepts. Ask yourselves, is this the society you in vision or is there a greater mix to the view of America?
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napablogger wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Bill, I think you have nailed it here. The anti Mexican faire people have gotten so extreme in their view that they are ending up asking for what is really a mulitcultural fair, something that they supposedly despise. The problem as I see it here is that people go to extremes on both sides. Reality is a lot more complicated than that. On the other hand, the totally pro immigration people are not dealing with the negative impacts that come from massive immigration like we have had recently. Again my point is that if the numbers were kept to what we could aborb we would not be having this discussion. It is not really about the people, it is about the amount of people, and the impact that has on the environment. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:28 AM:

" I like the fiesta aspect of the Hispanic culture, the bright colors and liveliness. Having cultural themes which embrace the healthier part of a culture enriches our lives in many ways. I personally do not object to cultural themes of any type as long as it's not destructive, like gang cultures. Celebrating another culture is like adding spice to a bland stew.

However, the issue of *immigration* (and I agree with Napablogger that ANY immigration, legal or not is a problem), continues to emerge in these discussions. I think people's frustration is causing the pot to overflow every which way and in some respects, we need to productively channel it.

First of all, when we behave as though a certain people or culture is the problem, people become defensive, cry discrimination and so on. We ride a treadmill which takes us nowhere.

I've said this before and I think it's important to say again. The population of people (of any color or culture) are like bacteria in a petri dish. If you add sugar (the U.S. is sugar) and you have two petri dishes, one with more sugar than the other, population will move from one dish to the other and expand exponentially; even to the point of becoming over populated in both dishes.

Back when Europeans invaded this continent, they discovered corn and how to grow it. The population of Europe expanded so much as a result of this new food source that it made people uncomfortable to the point of leaving the European continent and colonizing America. Yes it's true that people came here as a result of religious persecution, but over population creates chaos and people have a tendency to harass others when resources are limited.


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vocal-de-local wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:01 PM:

" Continued from my last thread: An example of chaos from over crowding is the one that lebertm mentions in his conversation about black/hispanics in LA. If you observe the animal world (humans ARE animals) crowding is equated with limited resources, whether or not they really exist. When animals are crowded together in a natural environment, the structure of their group begins to break down as a means of weeding out those perceived as being the least productive. In the lower animal world this usually translates to pushing the sick, handicapped, small, very young and very old out of a group. In our world, things just become more chaotic until it spills over into criminal activity and violence because people become seriously stressed every time they drive on crowded roads, or compete for limited jobs, etc. This stress permeates outward and weakens the fabric that holds us together.

That said, the problem is not skin color or culture. Those are simply targets in our attempt to deal with over crowding. The bottom line is crowding. We do not want to live in a place where it takes an hour to drive 15 miles; where the beauty of green rolling hills are replaced by wall to wall housing; where we we inhale fossil fuels when we take a breath; where our dumps are filled to capacity and some people begin to litter because they don't want to pay for disposal of their own trash.

We must stop "crowding" and we shouldn't attach culture or color to it. And we should limit the growth of those who are legal citizens by penalizing those who have the most children - take away tax and welfare benefits beyond replacement level of two children. "

lunareyeschick wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:28 PM:

" I moved out of the Napa Valley about 6 months ago. Both my mother's and father's families have been in the valley for many generations. I was raised throughout the valley, educated in Napa, and lived there as an adult for over 10 years.

Latinos are nothing new to Napa County. And I went to school with other Latinos, with Portuguese, with Italians, with those of Irish & English descent. With Australians and Indians and Native Americans. And we've always celebrated every culture, for that is the fabric of this dream called America. I've celebrated with green beer and Irish drinking songs for St. Patricks Day; I've sung old English Christmas Carols; I've eaten traditional Porteguese foods at Easter. Since when is it un-American to celebrate our differences and diversity? Is this backlash against Latinos in the valley new? No. Those of us who have been here as long as other "Native" Napans know that this sentiment has always lurked in the background, marring our educational and life experiences. Maybe this outlandish reaction to the proposed fair theme was a good thing. Maybe in it's ridiculousness, it will get us all talking. Once all of the name calling and hatred gets out of the way.

Chill out Napa, have a glass of wine (the grapes for which have probably passed through the hands of some of the people I know and love), and realize that like it or not the world is changing. And hey, this may be news to you, but California was once Mexico... and once upon a time Spanish people ruled over this land. And a fiesta is nothing more than a good old fashioned party. Nothing new to California, either. ;) Why not enjoy it? We will be. "

Bill wrote on Mar 11, 2008 3:48 PM:

" Excellent N.B. It’s just a faire theme. You don’t have to convince me with repeated protestations about numbers that’s not what your piece is about save it for a detailed piece on how you see immigration working or not working.

As far as I am concerned about the faire we agree, about culture we may not. I see America and culture as inclusive and not exclusive. As Americans we have as much Mexican or Latin, Asian African, etc culture within us as we do any European subset. It is a part of who we are as a nation and a people. We can celebrate them together or individually it is utterly unimportant and without meaning.

Save secure borders and immigration as separate issues they have nothing to do with the faire. The anxiety expressed is merely the nausea of life.
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kdbk wrote on Mar 11, 2008 5:44 PM:

" Thanks to all of those who insist on repeating ad-nauseam that America (oohps, SORRY, the United States) is indeed a country made up of peoples from all over the globe. I think we all know that, but hey, it's worth repeating a billion times, especially when it has N - O - T - H - I - N - G to do with the discussion. Sad.

The controversy over the fair theme is obviously a reflection of the way that many people feel about the changes we've all seen in our communities over the past couple decades...how many of those changes are not positive for U.S. citizens nor those who migrate here legally or not. We're talking about a system of laws, economic systems, a system of government etc. that have proven to be the best in the world, for people of all races and ethnicities. Hint: that's why everyone wants to come here...why lots of people die trying to in many instances. We are talking about the preservation of what is clearly an imperfect, yet nonetheless the best method of running a country the world has ever seen. We need to build, strengthen and preserve this nation and it's basic elements. Go ahead, call the fair theme "no big deal". Then please tell us again who the narrowed- minded thinkers are. "

Winfield Scott wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:38 AM:

" The backlash is against ILLEGAL aliens. This problem will NOT go away until those of you on the left, and the appologist on the righ, come to grips with this. There are millions of we citizens who are fed up with the ILLEGAL aliens gettng away with being here, flipping our laws off with their dirty middle fingers. Those of you who agree, STAND YOUR GROUND. This is OUR country. Welcome the LEGAL immigrants, stand against the ILLEGALS and their supporters. "

napagirl76 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:48 AM:

" I agree with some of what was written, but one thing remains the same this is AMERICA and we should be proud of that. we should have a fair that shows off the red, white and blue. we should have apple pies and ice cream. I think what bothers people the most about having a mexican theme fair is that many (not all) come to america and expect US to change. AMERICA is now your HOME and you should celebrate AMERICA. If you want to celebrate mexico, plan a trip down there.

on another note, i've heard that the fair and the board have lost a lot of bussiness support over this. Maybe Joe well think a little bit more of NAPA as a whole next time he gets a "theme" idea. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Correction: the last sentence of one of my threads read, "Yes it's true that people came here as a result of religious persecution, but over population creates chaos and people have a tendency to harass others when resources are limited. " I meant to say that people came to America from Europe partly to escape religious persecution, but the primary reason was to escape the crowding in Europe as a result of population growth. Such growth was triggered by an abundance of a new food source, corn. When crowding occurs, people begin looking for scapegoats such as those who look or act different, practice a different religion etc. I suppose in the primitive mind, we must make a choice of who to push out when crowding occurs. Currently, those who don't have a legal reason to be here will be the obvious first targets. But we must be truthful to ourselves about this matter. We are reacting to 'overcrowding' and that's the issue we should focus on.

I would like to leave this country intact for my children and I'm sure you all feel the same way. Stay focused on the real issue and do not allow yourselves to color this argument with culture etc. It really sets us back, making it more difficult to move forward with the real issue of overcrowding. "

winemd wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:27 AM:

" To those who would prefer to have a neutral or American theme for the fair - I respect your opinion. Please respect that I think that a fiesta theme is a fun idea. It has nothing to do with governments in any latin country (Mexico is not the only country with fiestas). Personally, I am against illegal immigration and I think that illegals should be imprisoned, fined, then deported, and the companies that hire them should be fined and monitored for compliance with the laws of this nation. There are legitimate issues that need to be addressed.

I enjoy other cultures, but I don't want to go to Ireland to celebrate St. Patrick's Day, or a Latin country to celebrate a fiesta (which is generic). I know there are those who think that we celebrate Hispanic cultures at other times and that the fair is not the place or time. Again, I respect your opinion, but I don't agree that it dismisses America to have a fiesta theme at the fair.

Most Mexicans I know do not expect the US to become like Mexico. They speak Spanish amongst themselves, but make an effort to learn English. It is intimidating at first. They want to have a good life here and are trying hard. They are happy to celebrate Fourth of July. They did not ask for this theme, so remember that your "beef" is with the fair board, who is using the theme to get them out to the fair in larger numbers. If I was Hispanic and I read the comments, I think I would be afraid to come to the fair at this point. "

winemd wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:47 PM:

" I'm sorry; it occurred to me that I should clarify that I don't think that Mexicans should be afraid of harm. What I meant was that if I was Mexican that I would be afraid of making a political statement by going to the fair, and that others would think I wanted to make the US be Mexico or that Mexican culture was superior to America's culture. Because of the political ramifications, I think that the fair theme is too controversial and the board made a mistake. It's too bad, though. "

napablogger wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:28 PM:

" Bill, you are right I am repeating myself now, that is part of the reason I stop writing, at least so much. I have pretty much said what I had to say. I will say that there is something that is America and American culture. If any of you are interested Samuel Huntington, a historian, wrote a really interesting book called "Who Are We?" He is part of the Harvard liberal establishment and the book ends up backing up the idea that we have been shaped as a culture by Protestant values and the values that came over from England way back. He got a lot of grief for that, but it is clearly true. The thing of it is, that is what the Mexicans and other immigrants come here for, the idea of personal freedom, economic opportunity and economic freedom, private property rights, religious freedom. American cluture is an idea, not a race or a geographic location, it is certainly not reducable to a fair theme. Anyone who comes here comes for that, for that ideal that we are. If a group of people come who want to subvert or change those ideals then they are not fitting in with our culture. Some say that Mexicans are trying to bring their own culture, ie different ideas about how things should be, but like winemd I dont see that. I do see them doing things different than the people already here sometimes, like crowding in to homes, but I don't think that is really changing the American culture in a significant way. If they were Muslims trying to enact sharia law, that would be an affront to our culture. Maybe I will write about this next time because we need to have a discussion about what is America, anyway? "

Winfield Scott wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:25 AM:

" I agree that a Fiesta Theme is should not be a concern per se. Just remember that there are many people, both native born and naturised citizens alike, who came to this country LEGALLY, and do not appreciate the thought, given the current issue and woes caused by ILLEGAL ALIENS who continue to flip off our laws. On the thought of legal immigrants of mexican/spanish decent; if you ARE afraid, I would suggest forming a group which celebrates the LEGAL immigrant. Ensure you are provided legal proof of citizenship/naturalization. "

Bill wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:58 AM:

" It is not lost on some of us exactly what the name "Winfield Scott" implies. "

freeport56 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:14 AM:

" While this is a late entry, it is none the less required. The word "Exclusion" is being used quite a bit in the responses Mr. Haleys article. Who has been excluded? The theme is simple "Fiesta de Napa or Party in Napa" That's it! We will not be raising any flags, bowing to any countries, or singling out one group. The only people who are against this years theme and preaching
"Exclusion, Mexican only"...etc are the bloggers online responding to the two articles about the Fair.

As I have stated previously, I have an issue with "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION". I do not consider my self a racist, nor was I raised that way. I spent a good part of my youth surfing and playing in Mexico. We were always treated well by the locals and knew where and where not to go to stay out of trouble. The "Fiesta de Napa Theme" is to create a party atmosphere, nothing more. if you are that upset about the theme, stay home. the Fair has always been and will always be for ALL of Napa.

To add to musikluvr's history lesson. Mexico only had control of California for 25 years. It was never really part of Mexican history in a significant way. It was only after French rule of Mexico ended that California was the grand prize. it was the Spanish who had set up California's towns and cities. father Serra was the largest part of that process. "

Econut wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:01 AM:

" I'm a gringo and I love Mexican culture. Why can't we simply celebrate it without linking it to political and social issues? "

Winfield Scott wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:54 AM:

" "Bill," quit being Clintonesque and get to the point; enlgihten us. "

5th generation napan wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:43 PM:

" The Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Powerful words written by a bunch of illegal immigrants.
Bottom line, until people learn how to embrace the good in people and not accept the bad behavior we will never see peace. A family has no boarders. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 13, 2008 1:42 PM:

" econut, I hear your question....And we could, except in todays climate it IS linked to political and social issues because that is what is relevant today. We are having a huge problem with illegal immigration, and it just happens that most of the illegals are hispanic. It is political because this is probably viewed by the fair board as a way to attract the hispanic population, and increase revenue, while the other cultures resent the attention hispanics are getting over their culture. This is not the fault of legal immigrants in any way shape or form. It is not even the fault of illegal immigrants. Personally I am flabbergasted that this is the theme the fair board would choose in todays social and political climate. Can't we just focus on togetherness instead? What a devisive stupid theme.....The fault lies directly on the Fair Board and their short sightedness. People's reactions are their reactions, right, wrong, whatever reason there is behind the reactions, there ARE REACTIONS. And I think that while there are a few that are racist, the majority of reactions are valid, even if, as some claim, it is about a fair theme. You see, in todays world, it is oh so much more than just that. This is a backlash against the political correctness that is shoved down everyones throat. It has even invaded our little community fair, and people are sick and tired of it. "

14obama wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:38 PM:

" OK Michael Haley, I'm with You all the way !
And musikluver said something truthful for a change,something about "White Americans". Seems to me we are now doing the same thing all around the world. Iraq maybe ? Iran next,huh ? Remember ! Don't,EVER,allow these kind into office again ! "

14obama wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:48 PM:

" I agree with Econut !
I,too,am a gringo and love the Mexican culture.
The people who complain are without any knowledge of who we are,God's Children. He thinks he's the only one around,I guess. Mexican music says alot about the love and caring these people have for one another. Start loving before you miss out on all the beauty around you ! "

CaptnLee01 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:51 PM:

" You are ignorant and blind if you cant see that singling out a culture, and flying MEXICAN flags is extremely inappropriate. If you would have read most of the comments you would have noticed the overwhelming number of well tanned Americans disagreeing and protesting this travesty of a fair. I know dozens of people who are refusing to go this year, people just need to hear about it. So please, write more articles all you are doing is having the fair loose money. "

14obama wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:57 PM:

" Way to go,Freeport56 !

Let's get our boards and head on down to Todos Santos ! "

109823 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:55 PM:

" You people talk of embracing the Mexican culture, welcoming them in to our state and our community. Well they didn't need that they came uninvited and here they are with both hands out for every tax dollar covered program available. So let's embrace, that will include (as before mentioned) multi families in one house, gang violence ( remember Maslow's theory about safety and security), ever increasing as the Mexican population increases (and it will) consensus predicts 400mil by 2050 vast majority being Hispanics, gang graffitti plastered all over what was once quiet Napa. For you can't differentiate you have to take their culture all inclusive. If Fiesta de Napa is just Party in Napa then why didn't they say Party in Napa? Isn't English our language? Because it's all about Big Business much the same as why all of the illegals are here anyway, cheap labor. But now they're here 20 million strong and we're changing our lifestyle/cultures to accomodate them. You should all read Mexifornia, by Victor Hanson. A story of Selma, Ca. in the Central Valley, for that is Napa now and you will see where we are headed, it's not a pretty site. We will be pushed out, because good law abiding citizens of the U.S. will finally get fed up and move just to get away from the culture that is being stuffed down our throats at every venue. Listen to the Spanish radio stations in Southern Calif. as they talk of the Revolution that's coming, and our gov't turns a deaf ear to it all because of... you guessed it Big Business. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:43 PM:

" Why is this offensive??? We can go back and forth about illegal immigration, but the reason that the theme is offensive to me actually places me in an advocate position of immigrants (illegal or otherwise).

Picture a group of people sitting around a table. The discussion is…How to make the Napa County Fair more money and boost attendance. They decide that the solution of this problem is to “go after” (the previously untapped) population of Mexicans in Napa. Then they decide that the best way to appeal to this culture is to advertise a “fiesta”. How insulting is that. If we advertise a party then the Mexicans will come! To assume that the only way to appeal to any culture is to entice them with “a big party” is insulting the intelligence and dignity of that culture. Let me ask you this. If the theme was “Party in Napa” everyone would say…”huh…seems silly to me”.

But you boys put it in Spanish and hire a few “Latin” Entertainers, yeah that’ll fool them Mexicans into thinking the fair is all about them and that they will be attending a “real” Mexican Fiesta. Then maybe they’ll finally come to the fair and spend some money so you can all get a bigger slice of the corporate pie, who cares what the community ramifications will be, right?!?

This whole thing is “exploitative” and reeks of insensitivity. The fair is a family event, not a big “party”. This is a total misrepresentation of what ALL THE PEOPLE of Napa want for their County Fair.
"

jasper wrote on Mar 14, 2008 12:34 AM:

" Wow, what a firestorm! Of course, the decision of the fair board was stupid. In the middle of a major controversy about illegal immigration, to pick this very exclusive theme was nutsy. The problem of immigration has nothing to do with the nature of the new-comers. It has to do with 1) the birthrate which generates more population than most people want, 2) the illegal nature of the problem, and 3) the large number of illegals, more than we can cope with economically as a nation or psychologically as individually. If the theme were German or Swedish, there would be no problem. It would just be something quaint. There is only one thing which the fair board could do which would be more stupid, and that would be to allow one single Mexican flag to appear. Could that happen? Oh, yes. Could the Hispanic segment of our community prevent that? They should organize to do so. In fact, responsible Hispanic civic leaders probably should be the first to protest the exclusivity of this fair board decision. A little wisdom there would be in order. "

JimClark wrote on Mar 14, 2008 5:46 AM:

" Let us have a Fiesta on Wednesday or Thursday. No Problem.
The theme of a Fair should bring a gathering. To make one grouping of people to the fore-front? That simply creates problems. I'm a Scot and I know that the clans had more problems when they attempted to separate themselves from one another in spite of occupying the same lands. As s the world grew larger, they seemed to continue their territorial animosity; in some respects, they continue to today. That may be a lesson to learn today. "

mikeya wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:41 AM:

" as a manager in food service emplyment, i get constantly belittled and berated for not speaking spanish by our spanish customers. i do not want to feel anger towards them, but i am. they tell me i have to speak spanish because america and mexico are together now. thats why i am upset with the fair theme.... "

kevin eggers wrote on Mar 14, 2008 8:45 AM:

" I think that the theme, every year for the fair, should be “freedom”, which is not prejudiced in any way, as it applies to all cultures, as freedom is the glue that holds this big giant cultural puzzle, we call America, together. "

southnapareader wrote on Mar 14, 2008 10:59 AM:

" The theme is "Fiesta de Napa" which means Celebration of Napa.

I think we can all celebrate Napa and build our community with each other whatever the language the fair name is in. Without a doubt, spanish-speaking residents are already a part of our community.

Being okay with the fair's theme doesn't mean that you support illegal immigration. I think it is ridiculous that people are upset that the community is doing something in Spanish or upset that we do things sometimes for and with the latino community. We all deserve to be included in this community, and the fair's theme can help be inclusive. Again, this is just the theme of the fair! I am asking my fellow Napans to find contructive and community building (not destructive and divisive) ways to work through their frustrations.

When things are in Italian (think wineries) or other languages (french for New Orleans?), it rarely gets this backlash. As a lifelong Napa resident, I want Napa to be a community that is famous for its fine wine and a place where hospitality isn't just for the tourists, but for all those that live and work here. "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:18 AM:

" 109823.. great post.... My thoughts exactly!!
I will definitely be checking out that book you mentioned, thanks for the info. "

John Richards wrote on Mar 14, 2008 3:45 PM:

" "musikluvr", your revisionist history is appalling! The fact is that Spanish Conquistadores killed and enslaved native Indians long before any white settlers arrived in California. "

biLly wrote on Mar 15, 2008 8:24 AM:

" Everyone of you who complains about immigrants needs to study your own family history. At one point and time someone came over here and probably illegally for a better life from your own family. The system is failing not the people that are here (immigrants). Anyone that wants to work hard and earn citizenship by abiding by the law and paying their taxes should at some point be allowed to stay here,however. We have a system that has never worked and causes more problems then it solves. The easy answer is to blame people and not the federal government. Wake up and get an education. Then do some research before you spout off of things you do not know. "

Mykdgirl54 wrote on Mar 15, 2008 1:12 PM:

" I am not anti-immigration or pro-immigration. I believe I am from the mindset of "common sense" What kind of up roar do you think the fair & it's committee would get if they announced the fair's "theme" would be "white" themed?! Or perhaps only an all "black" themed, "asian" themed, etc.

I thought community events such as these were about uniting people - glad to see that the committee is trying to achieve this! (sarcastic) Wouldn't a better idea be a theme where you had ALL different cultures, expressed, represented, and celebrated. Where the theme could be something such as "united in Napa" or "community" as a theme. Sounds like thats an idea we might all be able to agree on "

109823 wrote on Mar 15, 2008 3:03 PM:

" Two Cents, You're welcome, hopefully a lot of U.S. citizens will read it as well. "

vocal-de-local wrote on Mar 15, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Billy, we are all immigrants, even the Natives who crossed the Bering Strait. The only place on Earth which can be defined as a non immigrant continent is Africa.

In nature, whenever there is vacant space, populations will move in to occupy it. If resources become limited or a fear of limited resources exists, those who occupy the space will defend it and those who want it will fight for it. History proves the point much better than I can.

When a population moves in to occupy space which is already highly occupied, this cannot be equated with past generations who occupied less crowded space. Even though people fought over such space, there was a greater level of availability to begin with.

I think people are justifiably upset today because we are presently crowded and there is very little space to take away without building upward or putting so many people in one living unit that the quality of life diminishes. Additionally, people may become even more dependent on government assistance if we do not take measures to control crowding.

I am no longer comfortable paying for families with five children on government assistance or otherwise, when I intentionally limited my numbers to a replacement value of two. Nor am I comfortable with opening the borders of a crowded country and being told to just adapt to it.

Once vacant space becomes occupied, littering, crime/violence, and numerous families crowding into a living unit become signs that we've reached our limit. Do we then begin to take our agricultural lands out of circulation to accommodate the increased housing needs of a new population? Keep in mind that grapes today may be grain tomorrow. Do you see the problem?

"

sweetgrape14 wrote on Mar 15, 2008 8:44 PM:

" Correction: This is not an anti-immigrant uproar. This is an anti-ILLEGAL immigrant uproar! Non-citizens should have zero power over our 100% legal American community! "

Paisano wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Happy St. Patrick's Day everybody! Now can someone please explain to me why we are celebrating a different cultures' holiday on this day. In my opinion St. Patrick's Day is just as anti American as the Fiesta De Napa. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:37 AM:

" Paisano, People are celebrating it because it is my Birthday.....duh....and besides, didn't you realize that St. Patricks day is a community event just so everyone else can celebrate my birthday too? I am just that darn special.....make sense to you? About as much sense as "Fiesta de Napa" as a community event....That, I think is the point. St. Patrick's day is not an event put on by the fair board for the whole community.....but hey if you all think I deserve a community wide birthday celebration cause I am just that special....well gosh...thanks... "

Paisano wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:47 AM:

" Sandra: You are special! Very special! "

Common Sense wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Local town fairs are supposed to be for every culture that makes up America...not just one. We celebrate St. Patrick's Day just like we celebrate Cinco de Mayo...but we have never had a Napa fair dedicated to Irish culture. Or Italian. Or Chinese. Or Wappo. Or any of the other cultures that built Napa Valley in to what it is today. It is highly offensive to select one culture over the others for what is supposed to be a celebration of everyone. "

Paisano wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:10 AM:

" This is AMERICA, not Ireland. Celebrating a different country's holiday (St. Patrick's Day) is not only un-American but also very disrespectful. "

Common Sense wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:52 PM:

" Paisano, your argument fails when you look at the holidays we do celebrate in America. The vast majority of our holidays came from other countries...and that is a very American tradition. Thanksgiving is one of the rare truly American holidays, though Canada has one too. Our annual local fair should be a celebration for everyone in the community...and that means not elevating any one part above another. "

Paisano wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:05 PM:

" It's not un-American or offensive when the shoe is on the other foot right? Hispanic culture is offensive but Irish culture is not? Give me a break! I will not be wearing green today and you will not see me at any bar that has decorated their establishment with green clovers. I will boycott this holiday because it is offensive to the American culture. This is America people not Ireland. Remember that!!! "

Common Sense wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:14 PM:

" I never said hispanic culture was offensive. In fact, I stated the opposite ("We celebrate St. Patrick's Day just like we celebrate Cinco de Mayo..."). It appears, Paisano, that you are not reading any of the posts or are intentionally ignoring the key points. This is America...one culture should not be elevated above others. Nobody is entitled to superiority over another, period. Clearly you feel otherwise. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:17 AM:

" It is my understanding that wearing green and the whole leprachaun thing associated w/ St. Pats day is unique to the U.S. Or so some Irish friends have told me.....perhaps they are handing me a load of blarney?..... Piasano is playing devils advocate, but he is missing the point. "

Paisano wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:07 AM:

" I'm not playing devils advocate and no I'm not missing the point either. All I'm saying is that as an American citizen, celebrating an Irish holiday is about as offensive to me as the Fiesta de Napa theme is to other people. Can someone please explain the difference between celebrating St. Patrick's day and having a fiesta theme? Why is one offensive and not the other? "

angrytoo wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:36 AM:

" For me this isn't a "racial" thing. This is an American thing. (America as a whole) There are many different ethnic backgrounds and nationalities that make us who we are as a country. But to recognize one ethnic background with disregard to others really doesn't sound like a good idea. Yes our community has a lot of hispanics in it and without them this town wouldn't be what it is today. (like it or not) And as I recall each year the fair has had a night that is primarily catered to the hispanics. But the whole fair themed to one ethnicity?? Why not make the theme "Celebrating America's Culture"? (or something like it) Give people the option to experience another culture without it being shoved down your throat. "

GregN. wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:40 AM:

" It's been nearly 15 days since I wrote Joe Anderson of the Napa Valley Expo, and he has still not replied back to my objection of the fair theme. How many others have written? "

hawaiibarby wrote on Mar 18, 2008 5:58 PM:

" How about celebrating the Chinese at the fair? They were here long before the Mexican's... as if that's all this were about, but it's not.... it's just theme, so please stop the hate, the verbal bashing and go to the fair to enjoy the atmosphere, whatever the theme may be. If your anger is going to carry over to the fair, please don't go and ruin my family's great time. "

Suze wrote on Mar 18, 2008 11:02 PM:

" St. Patrick's Day is just another celebration that commercial interests have shoved down our throats, similar to the extended distortions of 'Valentine's' Day. I married into an Irish family and they didn't celebrate St. Patrick's Day, he was a Brit anyway. The Irish in Ireland don't much bother with it much either, or at least they didn't until everybody started copying their American cousins. why are we making such a fuss? Like the Fiesta De Napa - mucho dinero! "

Winfield Scott wrote on Mar 19, 2008 7:19 AM:

" Bill (clinton), I am still waiting for you to inform we unwashed just what you are implying in my name... "

Sandra wrote on Mar 19, 2008 7:20 AM:

" Pisano, you say you are not missing the point, and then ask, "Can someone please explain the difference between celebrating St. Patrick's day and having a fiesta theme? Why is one offensive and not the other? ", which is exactly what the point is all about. Celebrating a Fiesta, or St. Pats day is not offensive in and of themselves. What is offensive is choosing either, or any other culturally exclusive theme as a COMMUNITY wide celebration. Hey, I think a fiesta de Napa would be fun if it was promoted by those who celebrate fiesta within their culture, or by a private concern. It could be open to everyone to attend, and be an outreach to other cultures in our community. The same would apply to St. Pats day, Octoberfest, etc. In fact this has already occured in our community many times. What is OFFENSIVE is that it should not be a theme for an event that has always been inclusive to the whole community. We have never, as far back as I can remember had a fair theme that celebrated one culture. This is a COMMUNITY EVENT for the WHOLE COMMUNITY, and the theme should reflect that. "

Paisano wrote on Mar 19, 2008 2:43 PM:

" Sandra: You and I both know that if you visit just about any bar on St. Patrick’s Day you will not find any Chinese, Mexican, or any other type of decorations besides green clovers, leprechauns, and things that have to do with the Irish culture. Bars all over the United States cater to the Irish culture on St. Patrick’s Day but that is not as offensive as a Mexican theme at a COUNTY fair??? I’m done with this issue, this is a complete waste of time. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 19, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Paisano:

Bars are privately owned establishments not county sponsored community events. Surely you do not lack the intelligence to know the difference. You are wishy washy in your position, that is why people do not find your arguments valid. While you may make some good points; your analogies are off based, facetious and make no sense. The fair theme is inappropriate for this specific venue; not inappropriate in and of itself. I’m glad your done arguing this point, unless you find a more solid position to offer, nobody is able to relate to your position.
"

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 19, 2008 4:05 PM:

" Winfield Scott...I'll enlighten you; although I assume you are already "enlightened"

Winfield Scott (June 13, 1786 – May 29, 1866) was a United States Army general, diplomat, and presidential candidate. Known as "Old Fuss and Feathers" and the "Grand Old Man of the Army", he served on active duty as a general longer than any other man in American history and most historians rate him the ablest American commander of his time. Over the course of his fifty-year career, he commanded forces in the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Black Hawk War, the Second Seminole War, and, briefly, the American Civil War, conceiving the Union strategy known as the Anaconda Plan that would be used to defeat the Confederacy.

A national hero after the Mexican-American War, he served as military governor of Mexico City. Such was his stature that, in 1852, the United States Whig Party passed over its own incumbent President of the United States, Millard Fillmore, to nominate Scott in the United States presidential election. Scott lost to Democrat Franklin Pierce in the general election, but remained a popular national figure, receiving a brevet promotion in 1856 to the rank of lieutenant general, becoming the first American since George Washington to hold that rank.
"

109823 wrote on Mar 19, 2008 5:53 PM:

" We tolerate Irish theme one day a year, but it's Mexican theme 365 days a year in Napa.You can't go a day without hearing Mexican music, seeing a Mexican flag, hearing somebody speaking Mexican or seeing Mexican graffitti. Also the Fair is 5 days long not one day. Where is the logic? I fail to see the comparison. "

m8a5r4i7 wrote on Mar 19, 2008 7:14 PM:

" "109823"
Mexicans do not speak MEXICAN they speak Spanish!!!!!!

Stop complaining and just have a good time, plus why do all people hate on mexicans but still eat the food and need of their service... hypocritical people!!!! "

kdbk wrote on Mar 20, 2008 12:05 AM:

" opioniagirl: You took paisano to task in a highly intelligent and effective way. I am definitely one of those you refer to that has found paisano's position impossible to "relate to".

paisano: your position is "impossible to relate to". But let me try to help. Use a modicum of logic in your argument. Just relying on emotion, along with your petty dismissal of relevant facts, is not only ineffective, it's irresponsible. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 20, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Piasano......A BAR IS A PRIVATELY OWNED OPERATION. The NAPA VALLEY EXPO IS A COMMUMITY OPERATION. That same bar on Cinco de mayo may have a night promoting that, on Christmas, it's theme will reflect that, in October it may have an octoberfest day, etc. It is a private operation that may promote whatever theme it cares to. The Napa Valley Expo is a once a year community event for the whole community, run by a fair board, not a private owner. That is the difference, and is what the whole issue boils down to. You claim to understand, but you really don't, and so you are right, for you, this discussion is a waste of time. If you can't understand my post, read "opiniagirl wrote on Mar 19, 2008 4:02 PM". Maybe another version of the same point will register. "

winemd wrote on Mar 20, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Some people have the opinion that the fair theme is exclusive to Hispanic (or Mexican) culture, and that other cultures are not included. Other people have the opinion that the fair theme is an outreach to Hispanic families to get them involved in our culture. Each side has its own reasons for their opinion, and each side has points that are valid of consideration. Let's just agree to disagree.
"

Concerned Citizen wrote on Mar 20, 2008 9:26 AM:

" Sandra; as always, you make an excellent point. But, there will always be those who argue against reason. I sometimes wonder if they are "plants" to keep the conversation going. I mean, who doesn't understand the concept of illegally entering the U.S.; particularly during a vulnerable time such as now; and who is so naive to think that there isn't a major 'push' at present, by groups and publishers of newspapers, to promote the 'hispanic,' 'latino,' (illegal) 'immigrant' position? It is beyond comprehension that those who defend illegal entry into the U.S. absolutely WILL NOT admit that that, alone, is reason enough for the frustration of citizens who write on these pages?

And why, among the apologists and amnesty advocates, do they persist in ignoring statistics? I can't even begin to understand why Americans are so brainwashed, apologetic, cowed, and fearful of the truth about illegal immigration and it's bad bad effects on our culture, our country, politics and the very fabric of society?

What is there to gain by refusing to protect the laws and, therefore, the foundation of our system/ our society? I just don't get it.

This overflow of illegal people entering the U.S. is UNPRECEDENTED in history; and it's negative impact is costly in financial and societal terms. This is so obvious that even the most blinded among us cannot help but notice...so, again, I ask: Why do you defend this blatant "flipping off" of Americans and our government?

"

Paisano wrote on Mar 20, 2008 2:17 PM:

" The real issue hear is not the fiesta de Napa theme but people's hatred of Hispanics. Well let me tell you this, Hispanics are not going anywhere. As a matter of fact, the number of Hispanics living in this community will increase dramatically and there is nothing that people can do about it. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 20, 2008 2:36 PM:

" Paisano:
I thought you were done! "This" issue IS about the fair theme. Maybe you should write a (new) letter to the editor about your perceived “hatred of Hispanics” and your newly expressed concerns about the Hispanic tendency to overpopulate a community. Then we can comment appropriately about these issues. Doesn’t it feel better than to just say what you meant all along than to hide your “real” thoughts under the umbrella of your fair theme defense!
"

funnyme wrote on Mar 20, 2008 7:52 PM:

" First off it's MEXICAN not HISPANIC!!!! I'm Mexican and I want to be called Mexican, not some pilitically correct term!
Secondly, IT"S JUST A THEME!!! WHO REALLY CARES!?!?!?!?!?!? I can't believe someone is making such a big deal out of this. If there was a booth supporting illegel aliens, then yes I would have a problem. but since this is supposed to be a FUN FAMILY EVENT don't make such a big deal about it. Most people like Mexican food, and the music is lively and sets the perfect mood for something like this. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 21, 2008 8:27 AM:

" Funnyme, It is my understanding that Mexican is Mexican, and hispanic is any person from Central, and South America, or Spain, and Mexico. So when the term Hispanic is used, it is a bigger umbrella than just Mexico. It is not a politically correct term. But, since you brought up political correctness, I want to point out that while it would be nice if Fiesta de Napa was just a party, in todays climate, it is anything but. The whole idea to call our fair "Fiesta de Napa" reeks of political correctness run amouk. Do you not see that this theme is a reaction to all that is going on in our county, and state today? Do you not see it as an attempt to , if not placate, at least toady to a portion of our community who some may feel are getting a bad rap? Do you not see it as an attempt for the Fair board to draw in more money from a section of our community that has been growing in leaps and bounds? What else drives this choice of theme, except political correctness, and money? Neither are attractive reasons to me to choose a fair theme that many feel excludes them. I wish it could be just a fun family event, but there are too many things about this theme that are hot buttons reflecting the failures in our society. So it is my opinion that this is WAY MORE than just a fair theme. If it was just a fair theme, would it have had this many negative responses? "

Common Sense wrote on Mar 21, 2008 8:29 AM:

" We celebrate Mexico on Cinco de mayo. We celebrate Ireland on St. Patrick's Day. We celebrate China on Chinese New Years. My family even celebrated Canada one year on Canada Day. But we should celebrate NAPA at our local fair, the ONLY community event of this duration and magnitude. To do otherwise is unFAIR. "

Reality Check wrote on Mar 22, 2008 6:23 AM:

" """ If there was a booth supporting illegel aliens, then yes I would have a problem. """ Here's the rub. For the folks here in Napa that are honestly trying to resolve for themselves this dramatic cultural shift being foisted upon them, the whole Fair begins to feel like one big giant "booth" supporting illegal immigration. Haven't you ever caught yourself thinking "Wow, I love to visit Mexico, but I wouldn't want to live there..." Well, guess what. "

JimClark wrote on Mar 22, 2008 9:02 AM:

" I can't help but love and respect all of you. Where else can a population disagree without being disagreable?

I love this country!!!!!

And I thank the Register for giving us a place to share our thoughts and beliefs. "

kbf wrote on Mar 24, 2008 6:56 AM:

" Common sense,

you summed it all up perfectly. "

007WYNWM wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:10 PM:

" I am for whatever Lou Dobbs has to say on the Napa Fair. "

educated wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:46 PM:

" Here we go again... it all comes down to race. First of all, we need to pull out our REAL HISTORY BOOKS OUT! If I recall this was once ALTA CALIFORNIA and CA was 1 of the 8 states taken from Mexico by the US. Mariano Vallejo's daughters married EURO men like KRUG, and BALE and that is how the EURO's Acquired MEXICAN land. Then there was the Treaty of Guadalupe, which I challenge all of you to look up. In this treaty, Mexicans were promised by the US that they would be allowed to keep their land and remain citizens once CA became part of the UNION. What happened? The US did NOT keep their promise and shipped Mexicans down to Chihuaha, MEXico on a train. And YOU have the nerve to say that MEXICANS are invading YOUR LAND, shame on YOU. I am proud to be AMERICAN, yet I am EDUCATED enough to know my history. If were going to sit here and complain we better have our HISTORY straight. Oh, and for all of us who celebrate 5 de Mayo, that is when the Mexicans won the Battle of Puebla to one of the most powerful army's in the world, the FRENCH. It's funny how 5 de mayo has become and advertisement for some people, when Mexicans don't even celebrate it. Independence Day for Mexicans is on September 16th, that is when people should celebrate Mexicans and adveritise, so called Mexican food, because most of the time it is MExican-American food and not REAL MEXICAN FOOD. "

Paddy wrote on Apr 10, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Educated, thanks for the history lesson. Put the books away. This isn't the 18th, 19th or even 20th century. The rules for all immigration must change or, as a country, they'll be able to read about us only in the history books. "

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