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By KEVIN COURTNEY
Napa Valley Register
Napa’s growing Hispanic population will be honored with this year’s Napa Town and Country Fair theme, Fiesta de Napa.

The summer fair will feature more Latino performers, with organizers also trying to book a major Spanish-language act for the grandstand arena.
“Obviously the Hispanic population in our community is huge. We need to start marketing to that,” said Joe Anderson, CEO of Napa Valley Exposition, which sponsors the five-day August fair.

The Expo’s board of directors endorsed the Fiesta de Napa theme Tuesday, with Anderson promising it would be an all-inclusive multicultural celebration.
When the fairgrounds are decorated for the fair, “we’ll take all the vibrant colors of Mexico. We’ll combine it with the red, white and blue, the American flag, and cross-culture the whole thing,” Anderson said.

Anderson said he wants to add Latino bands and dancers to the fair’s entertainment mix. There will be mini fiestas scheduled each day on the main mall that bring together an explosion of talent, he said.
The gala that kicks off the fair on Aug. 6, has traditionally only featured high-end restaurants matched with high-end winemakers. This year the fair hopes to have Mexican food as part of the mix, Anderson said.

Fair attendance, which was nearly 60,000 last year, has been stagnant for a decade. It has not been keeping pace with community population growth.

Latino attendance has been high on Sundays and on Friday nights when there is a concert in the grandstand arena, Anderson said. By having Hispanic entertainment daily, the fair hopes to attract Latinos on other days as well, he said.

The Expo is working with a promoter to try to book a night of Latino entertainment to the grandstand arena, Anderson said. The fair was unsuccessful the past two years when the grandstand arena sat dark.

Anderson said he would be making contact with Latino organizations for ideas on how to celebrate Hispanic culture.

This is the first time that the fair theme has been in Spanish, Anderson said. Last year’s theme was “Shake Your Moove Thing.” In 2006, the theme was “Beach Blanket Baa-Baa-Lon.”
234 comment(s)

napagirl76 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:27 PM:

" well looks like my family and i well be skipping the fair this year...i can not support a fair that well cater to one race like this. Why not a Irish theme? or english? Russin? Napa fair you just lost my support. "

commentgirl wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:48 PM:

" "We need to start marketing to the Hispanic's? Hummm I thought we all ready were...What next they get in free...." "

tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:51 PM:

" I'm all for the marketing to Latinos, whatever helps contribute money to the county. But I don't agree with mixing the colors of the USA with the Colors of Mexico. This is the USA not Mexico and most people in this town of Hispanic decent or American Citizens, not Mexicans citizens. Lets market to the American Citizens no matter what there ethnicity is with the proud colors of the USA "

Redredwine wrote on Feb 28, 2008 3:13 PM:

" I think this is great, can't wait to try those delicious Mexican dishes! Yummy! Joe Anderson I think it is a great marketing tool, you are thinking like an entrepeneur!!! "

Rob C wrote on Feb 28, 2008 3:17 PM:

" Why does the fair even need a theme? Isn't the "fair" theme enough?

The only thing in its favor is that it's more strategic (whether you approve of the tactic or not) than the throw-away "themes" of previous years.

The danger is that in an attempt to expand the growing portion of their attendance base, they risk further alienating their original, declining base.

Too many people with a marketing 101 degrees is the real problem as evidenced by facile phrases like "cross-culture the whole thing". "

momtoo wrote on Feb 28, 2008 3:26 PM:

" aren't there already hispanic musical acts every weekend at the fairgrounds during the summer? I know this because I have to listen to the blaring music all day long on the weekends at my house. "

wow wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:00 PM:

" I think it is a good idea. I dont know why we have to get into a racial fight about it though.napagirl76: Did you not read the paper? it said because hispanic population is growing. And momtoo: they pay to have their music...so they have a right. And how do you know that ALL Mexicans are illegal? you cannot look at them and know. My parents are from Mexico and have gotten rude comments from people who dont know them and judge them. And they are legally here! they came here legally! paid and pay to be here. I totally support the theme. "

jeepracer10 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:08 PM:

" How come Napa High gets flak for using an Indian as their mascot, but everyone is fine with making the County Fair Mexican themed? I am not racist at all, some of my family is Hispanic and I have many Hispanic friends. What if they had a White European theme, the ACLU would be all over that. I do agree this will hurt the fairs attendance. "

Exasperated wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:26 PM:

" I'm skipping the fair AGAIN this year! Why must we pander to one nationality? What about next year, we have a Muslim fair? And the next, a Korean fair? They already have their own night during the fair! This is SO stupid! "

Downtown Local wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:15 PM:

" How are these kids ever going to learn English if we spend all our time and money translating for them? I'm sure "Fiesta de Napa" sounds as generic and unnecessary to them as "Party in Napa" does to me. "

momtoo wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:36 PM:

" to Wow: I never said that hispanic music shouldn't be played. I just mentioned that the venue already exists for local latino music, so why make a point of bringing it to the fair? It's not like it's hard to find. AND, I never said anything about legal/illegal status. That is not what this article is about. "

JMB wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:04 PM:

" I hate to say it, but my husband and I won't be going this year either. Not all people want to be immersed with Latino culture. We loved seeing Terri Clark and the Charlie Daniel Band in the past. Now it sounds like we have no choice if we went, but to hear music we don't like. It's like someone saying they don't like opera or hip-hop. It's not us. I hope my relative's pig does well, but we won't be paying admission this year because of the lack of diversity. It should be something for all of us. "

leavintown wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:01 AM:

" You are not going to see me there this year. I would rather go to a different town fair that has an American theme. That is where we live. "

Exasperated wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:18 AM:

" BOYCOTT the pandering!!!!!! "

newshound wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:51 AM:

" I think making this fair about one particular culture is a mistake. Perhaps if the theme had been a "world fair" that celebrated many cultures would make everyone feel welcome and appreciated. We shall see if it works for the Napa Expostition soon enough. "

Common Sense wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Mexican booth? Sure. Mexican fair? No way. We are American, and no ethnic group deserves priority over another. "

flibbertigibbet wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Interesting......I think that because this is the FIRST ethnic theme fair people are up in arms because of the much debated topic. Napkins all ready feel the pressure of an ever changing community making a new large leap. Guess what! Should have spent some money on research to see what your actions were going to contribute to!
3 Points,
1. Everything should be in english, because that is where we live and assisting the present, major communication breakdown, is unacceptable in a community event.
2. I agree "Newshound", probably should have started with a "Worlds Fair" theme, then moved on to select cultures. It could have been planned out and published so the world could see, and your "Theme" job would have been taken care of for the next XXX amount of years.
3. For the instant "Haters" I agree this was not the best approach to take for marketing and growth of our fair, BUT instead of just hating, let it ride out then make your comments on how it went. There is an undeniable growth in this Valley and alienating YOURSELF to it is sad. I am sure many people felt the same way about you when you came to this valley back in the day! "

Kathy Concened wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:53 AM:

" Napans should realize by now what is occurring. I will not attend because I will be looking elsewhere for my new home. "

Justmythought wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Well, isn't this something... What is Joe thinking? This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard... What's next Joe, free admission??? Another Napa tradition, gonez... "

unclestuy wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Count me out, We're not going! I thought this was a NAPA Fair, not a specific cultural theme for one group. "

merri wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:54 AM:

" EXCUSE me I am one of few african american's in town when do I get my props? "

Two Cents wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:08 AM:

" ARE YOU KIDDING ME! How clueless can you be Joe Anderson? Why, in a time where people are so fed up with gangs and illegal immigration in this town, would you EVER choose to pick this year to celebrate this group? How could you not foresee the obvious FURY that people have responded with?
My suggestion, pick a new theme. We are many months away from the fair... its not too late. I hope you read the blogs on this paper because you have infuriated a lot of people in this town and it appears the result will be a huge loss of revenue. I feel sorry for the 4H kids who had no say in this theme, yet will no doubt suffer the repercussions of your decision. "

simpwinemom wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:33 AM:

" The 4-H Communtiy can embrace this theme by using Red, White and Blue and call it Celebrating Napa.........it is a decision that has been made but we can make the choice on how we interpret that decision. We have had influential people in this valley and we can celebrate the history that has taken place in all races and creeds. "

Common Sense wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:52 AM:

" It is discrimination to favor one ethnic group over another. Make it an American fair to so that everyone is treated EQUALLY and the culture that is celebrated is OURS. "

newshound wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:14 AM:

" Excellent statement Common Sense! "

comment wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:17 AM:

" Would this be as big of a deal if it were a Spanish themed fair? Or a Brazilian themed "Carnival" type fair? I doubt it. Because some have an unjust hatred of anyone Mexican, this becomes a bad idea. Boycott the fair if you like. They don't need close minded people there anyways. "

napaca98 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:43 AM:

" I am a proud Mexican, I do not agree with the theme... It will only create problems, I think they should NOT make it about Latinos. Every race has their share of "bad people" not all Mexicans are criminals. "

steph wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:55 AM:

" How about we treat people as individuals and not have ugly knee-jerk responses to this story. Every one of you who is making nasty comments would undoubtedly be ashamed to make these comments in front of people you know and like--think about it. You all work with people, are friends with people, or have family members who are of Mexican heritage. Would you say these things to them? Would you say these things to a child--maybe a child who is friends with your child? What kind of divisiveness are you creating? Cultural shifs are always awkward and uncomfortable, but we MUST be kinder to each other. Get to know people. Be nice. Remember that there are good people and not good people and background and color have little to do with it. Lets not start a race war over a family-oriented event. Let's be more family-like, please! "

Common Sense wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:56 AM:

" To "comment", Spaniards and Brazilians aren't entering the country illegally in mass numbers. It is not "unjust hatred of anyone Mexican". Legal immigrants, of any race, are welcome in my home. Illegals are not. There are legitimate concerns about the impact of illegal aliens living in our society, and this year's theme for the fair will rightly raise this discussion again. "

chunk wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:05 PM:

" where's joe's comment? i want to see what people are commenting about "

DL wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:16 PM:

" ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! This will be the first Napa fair in 45 years that my family will NOT be attending. Thanks SOOOO much Joe!! We will be supporting a fair in a different town this year. "

NVR Moderator wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:21 PM:

" chunk:
Joe is Joe Anderson, the CEO of the Expo, quoted in the article "

Ms. Opinons wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:02 PM:

" Who officially makes this decision? Was there a vote? Who is on the board?
As the proud sister of a local Iraqi war veteran, I am appalled that my home town would disregard the fact we are still engaged in a WAR whether we like it or not. Our AMERICAN SOLDIERS are still fighting and losing their lives on a daily basis! To celebrate ANY other country, other than the US this year is a disgrace!
Our red, white & blue should NOT share the stage and decor with ANY other country's "vibrant colors". "

angrytoo wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:47 PM:

" This is America. Have a latino night at the fair if you want. (I think they already do) Shoot....the SF Giants celebrate different ethnicities on certain games. But to make the whole fair "latino" is simply discriminating. I thought this country wasn't about discriminating. Bad choice Joe. "

hudds5 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:54 PM:

" Why not recognize all of the many different cultures in Napa instead of focusing on one group. This theme will influence people the wrong way and attendance will be low this summer. "

PastNapan wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:20 PM:

" This isn't a done deal. I suspect that if Joe Anderson of the Napa Valley Exposition got enough heat in the form of phone calls and emails he might rethink his decision. This is all about MONEY. If enough Napans threaten to boycott they will change their "theme" The city of Napa needs to get a clue already, this pandering to a certain race has got to stop. I had enough a year ago, that's why I moved and I sure don't regret it. Does the City of Napa ever read these blogs and see how fedup people are? "

freeport56 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:34 PM:

" Let me set one thing straight with all of you. the Themein HISPANIC NOT MEXICAN. The Hispanic population in Napa is quit diverse and not just from Mexico. While there are issues with illegal immigration, these are still our neighbors, employees, friends, and citizens of Napa. For those of you that choose to boycott the fair, that is your choice, a sad one, but your choice.

The Fair venue is a way Napa has to show off it's community. Hispanics are a large part of that community. If you feel that other ethic groups should be recognized, then please pass on your thoughts to the Napa Expo Administrative offices on Third street. "

Two Cents wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Steph.. Im confused.. what are you talking about when you say people who are posting on these blogs would be "ashamed to make these comments" and how can we say "such things". Who's saying anything hateful? People are simply pointing out that its unfair to cater to one specific group, when Napa is comprised of much more than just Hispanics and Caucasions. What's so shameful in that? People just dont see the logic in their county fair honoring one specific population. We live in America. County fairs are American tradition. If I want a taste of Mexican culture at a fair, I'll go to the Calistoga fair.
And to freeport56, you say boycotting the fair is a "sad" choice, but maybe the huge loss of revenue for the fair this year will help represent the feelings of another "large part of the community" in Napa, myself included.
Hispanics, whatever race/countries that includes, are not the only people in this town, and catering an entire event toward them is simply ridiculous.
Listen to your fellow townspeople, read the blogs.. out of 37 comments, yours is the only one who's not upset about it. Come on Napa Expo.. make the change. "

chunk wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:22 PM:

" Who cares what the theme is? I'm just not going to the fair because the rides make me throw up, the food is horrible, and I can't stand the rigged carnie games. You drop more money there than if you were to go to Six Flags and ride better rides. Waste of money. "

mari wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:40 PM:

" To Ms. Opinions, did you forget how many Mexican-Americans are out there fighting the same war??? Some of you people are so quick to judge, and I bet its only because no one reading these comments really know who you are. Truly sad... "

laloquera wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:40 PM:

" I'm a Mexican and I'm against the idea of this theme myself. There's already a lot of tension in this county against the latino community, this is only going to create more. The fair should be a "theme" free event. Just a "regular fair"... that's my opinion. "

ganeece wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:00 PM:

" This is too bad, I was in 4-H for 8 years and all my siblings are still in it. Each year the numbers of supporters that come to the livestock auction or even down to visit the livestock goes down and each year our premiums to enter goes up. And now this, we are losing so many supporters, this is so sad. Not only that but the kids have to decorate their pens and are judged on how well it relates to the theme of the fair. It's going to feel very odd hanging up Mexican flags and red white and green when we live in AMERICA. I honestly think this was a poor choice... I do like the idea that "newshound" suggested, why not make it a world fair theme and celebrate everyone's culture? "

Two Cents wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:12 PM:

" Laloquera.. you are completely right! That was exactly my point in an earlier blog... why would the fair expo board ever think that this would be the appropriate time, with all the tensions going on in this town, to do something like this? It was seriously poor planning and lacks foresight.
Look how many people are responding negatively to it. Ms. Opinions makes a great point about our country being in the middle of a war and American Patriotism would be a much more appropriate theme and "population" to honor. Imagine how many vets in the area would appreciate a theme in their honor? "

Ms. Opinons wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Mari-I am not blind to fact that there are MANY different races defending our country. I said "AMERICAN", not African-American, Native-American, Eskimo, Caucasian, etc. All the more reason we should NOT be pin-pointing only the Hispanic hertiage.
Ganeece- I couldn't agree more with how detrimental thais could be for 4H! I am a 4H parent and was anxiously awaiting the announcement of the theme! All the hard work, creativity and planning surrounding an ALL AMERICAN TRADITION! Joe was at the last JLAC meeting and "did not know the theme" when asked. Next meeting is Tuesday! We'll see what he has to say then! "

kendo145 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 6:51 PM:

" I too am Mexican and I think this idea stinks, I thought we lived in the USA!!! I and my family will not be at the fair
for the first time in 12 years. "

4-H girl 88 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:01 PM:

" as a 4-H member i am stuck going to the fair this year and because i am a senior this may be my lasy year getting to have animals in the fair. i dont want to miss out on having buyers for my lambs because of the fair theme. i work all summer to raise and care for lambs that i will sell at the fair and if attendence is down because of a stupid theme then im losing money.
also i would like to point out that for the last 2 years the fair has been animal themed, "shake your moooooove thing" last year and "beach blanket baaaaaabalon" the year before. there is no reason that the kids who dont raise those animals should be left out. 2 years ago when the lamb themed fair was anounced they promised that there would be a theme for every amimal shown at the fair. this includes; pigs, goats, rabbits, chickes and turkeys and ginnie pigs.
with this theme joe is not only lowering admissions, and lowering buyer attendence for the auction, but he just broke a promise to the entire 4-H and FFA comunitties.
"

spectator wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:05 PM:

" WOW!!! The real face of Napa through anonymous blogs. So the theme is Fiesta en Napa. It is sad to see the divide that exists in this town. Ignorance is fear, and we should all learn to embrace all cultures in Napa. Boycott all you want but Napa demographics are changing and this is an example of it. I will be there with my family and it will be a perfect opportunity to teach my children about tolerance. I challenge other families to try this. I know I want to have kind, tolerant, humanistic children. See you all at the fair in August! "

sammy wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:50 PM:

" hmmmmm..... seems Napa has spoken and is making quite a statement. "

magafez wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:12 PM:

" I agree with Napaca98. Also i'm Hispanic and I live in America. Hispanics are not the only race in Napa. True The theme should be changed to something related to U.S.A or like newhound mention 'world fair'. Not fair for other races it shouldn't be only about one race in particular.. Yes i'm proud of being Hispanic as well as being proud of being American and by being Hispanic doesn't mean I should agree with the theme. "

CommentConnie wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:20 PM:

" Let's take a look at what this REALLY says people ...

"The summer fair will feature more Latino performers" Hmm... MORE not ONLY.

"...the Hispanic population ... is huge. We need to start marketing to that...” Sounds like they are trying to INCLUDE a segment of the population they feel they may not have included... no mention of NOT marketing to all segments or solely this segment.

"...endorsed the Fiesta de Napa theme Tuesday, with Anderson promising it would be an all-inclusive multicultural celebration..." Yep – ALL INCLUSIVE, MULTI-CULTURAL - not exclusive or singularly cultural.

"we’ll take all the vibrant colors of Mexico. We’ll combine it with the red, white and blue, the American flag, and cross-culture the whole thing..." COMBINING the vibrant colors of Mexico with red white and blue - AGAIN inclusive!!

"Anderson said he wants to add Latino bands and dancers to the fair’s entertainment mix..." ADD this type of entertainment to the Fair's lineup, not make it entirely Latino.

"an all-inclusive multicultural celebration..."

Yep - clear as a bell to me. No one being excluded or improperly catered to. Just marketing, just a gimmick. Go or don't go. The Fair has been around for more years than most of the bloggers have been alive and there's a reason for that. It is more than the words chosen to describe a theme or the colors used to decorate a building - it is a gathering place where Napans go to see friends they have not seen since the last Fair and support the youth and adult exhibitors in their entrepreneurial endeavors thru 4-H, FFA, Grange and independent exhibiting. It’s just a theme. "

Suze wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:35 PM:

" Like most folk, I work with some Hispanics and I love them. There is more to like than dislike. I don't like the gangs and I don't approve of or ever knowingly employ illegals, but I don't care for white trash either. I think the title for the Fair is a bad idea, this Fair is for the WHOLE community, not just one race and group. I think the Hispanic contribution in this valley is well noted and already shown ample appreciation, the Fair dedication is a little over the top in my opinion. "

steph wrote on Mar 1, 2008 1:07 AM:

" By the way, all you 4-H'ers posting here, all upset over a fiesta theme, remember, you don't have to worship the Mexican flag to have a fiesta. Just use a little imagination and try to have fun even if your parents are working hard to teach you to be hysterical. "

Napan since 1965 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 7:31 AM:

" An extremely bad choice of themes for our local fair!

Placing such high emphasis on ANY specific culture is ridiculous. As an alternative, I would STRONGLY support a fair that “showcased” and “honored” our VETERANS OF ALL WARS, as well as those young men and women currently serving in harm's way. I believe this is a theme that almost everyone would support (well, maybe not “Code Pink,” but who cares?).

As to a display of flags, how many of you remember the reactions all over the country when the Mexican flag was carried in "protest" parades, and the American flag was flown upside down, burned, and stomped on??

Tens of thousands were marching in our cities and towns, carrying their Mexican flags and their signs (in Spanish) and "demanding" their “rights.” Those memories are still fresh in the minds of American citizens, so the comments already posted here come as no surprise.

I also strongly agree with “Common Sense” (posted 2/29/08 at 11:56 a.m.) when he/she stated: “Spaniards and Brazilians aren't entering the country illegally in mass numbers. It is not "unjust hatred of anyone Mexican," Legal immigrants, of any race, are welcome in my home. Illegals are not. There are legitimate concerns about the impact of illegal aliens living in our society, and this year's theme for the fair will rightly raise this discussion again."

To close, I strongly believe that Joe Anderson, CEO, and the Board of Directors of the Napa Valley Exposition must take another long, hard look at this decision—NOT to do so may cost you dearly!!!
"

Two Cents wrote on Mar 1, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Um, no, I dont believe that I ever said that Hispanics are the ONLY ones who can enjoy a fiesta or the fair. What I am saying is that the entire theme of the fair doesnt need to be dedicated to one group/heritage. Hispanics already have their own night at the fair.. I believe it's Friday night. And they already have plenty of Hispanic booths, musical and otherwise. Its just ridiculous to honor one specific population in this town, especially when tensions are at their highest now with all the immigration and gang issues and recent outpouring of disgust for the illegal immigrant on his 3rd DUI causing a LEGAL citizen to lose both her legs.
My point is that it was a poor decision and poor timing to do something like this. And obviously the majority of the bloggers agree. And Im happy to read how many of them have said they are Mexican and still disagree with the theme, demonstrating that its not a racial issue at all. "

freeport56 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 9:07 AM:

" I am truly saddened by all the racism. "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:11 AM:

" There's always got to be someone out there looking to throw down the race card.
Thats what I find truely sad.. "

badlandgrl wrote on Mar 1, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Seriously, the fairs in this area are already dominated by mexican music,food and entertainment and gangs, so much so that I refuse to bring my family to any of them, I will take them back east to enjoy a true AMERICAN county fair! "

Senior4Her08 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 5:38 PM:

" After reading the responces of a few other people, I wish to bring up a few other points on the matter of the Town and Country Fair theme.
If you go to the website
http://www.national4-hheadquarters.gov/about/4h_about.htm you might come across the quote- "4-H and related programs are operating in over 80 countries. Global education and international exchanges bring the people and programs closer together."

Now, if you go to the website
http://www.national4-hheadquarters.gov/4h_terms.htm

You can read the following---
"The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) prohibits discrimination in all its programs and activities on the basis of race, color, national origin, age, disability, and where applicable, sex, marital status, familial status, parental status, religion, sexual orientation, genetic information, political beliefs, reprisal, or because all or a part of an individual's income is derived from any public assistance program."

Lastly, Look at the 4-H pledge-
I pledge
my head to clearer thinking
my heart to greater loyalty
my hands to larger service
my health to better living
for my club, my community, my country, and my world.

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You can clearly see that 4-H is an amazing organization that encorages ethnic diversity, and fairness. We do not discriminate! We teach in our 4-H clubs the importance of being fair. We are all upset over the theme, but we do not wish the exclude the latino population, we simply wish the theme would include all ethnic groups. "

4-H girl 88 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 5:58 PM:

" Steph- I am 17 years old, and I have been in 4-h for 7 years, and my opinion is not my parents opinion. I can make that decision for myself. I know you may think that none of us can think for ourselves but trust me we can. I haven’t even talked to my parents about this much yet, and yes my parents will be just as upset as me but that is not because they taught me to be hysterical about it but because we think alike, and the reason so many of us 4-Hers are responding to this article is because we are most affected by the theme. many people from the community have told me that they don’t even remember the theme from year to year and that it doesn’t really matter but as a 4-Her I remember every theme for the last 7 years, and we are the ones that will have to decorate and have our projects relate to the fair theme, and we are the ones who LIVE at the fair for the entire week. we will have to deal with this theme for 2 days longer at the fair and many moths before, so don’t tell me that my parents taught me to be hysterical about this situation. I have enough of a brain to decide what to be upset about and I have lived threw enough fairs to know that this is the wrong theme for the fair this year. "

sweetgrape14 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 7:48 PM:

" It is impermissible to orient the Napa fair around a single ethnic culture. If you are planning on embracing cultural heritage you must embrace all of the cultures of the community. You exclude and discriminate against African-Americans, Asian-Americans, European-Americans, etc... when you choose a theme that only celebrates the Mexican-American culture. We are all citizens of Napa and we deserve to feel like our heritage is being represented and celebrated too. Many citizens of Napa have Irish heritage, why not make it an Irish theme fair to celebrate them? Or better yet, make it an United States of America theme fair because we are all American citizens and we should celebrate our common American heritage. That is a theme that every member of the community could relate to and feel apart of without ostracizing some members of the community! I do not support the discrimination to other cultures that the city of Napa has shown. Unless changes are made, you have lost my participation in this fair. I will also make it a point to see that friends and family of mine do not support this obvious catering to a specific ethnic group. Do the right thing and don't discriminate. "

onthetrail wrote on Mar 1, 2008 9:01 PM:

" I made a comment earlier, but evidently it was deemed to not be appropriate, so I will try to express my feelings again in a more P.C. way because I feel strongly about this issue. I will not support a fair that is so obviously catering to one ethnic group. I don't think this was a very smart decision in lite of the (obviously based on the number of negative posts here) current tensions already brewing in this town. "

senior4Her08 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 9:28 PM:

" As a 4Her, I am one of the many that are unhappy with the theme for this years Fair. I would like to ask everyone that has been to the fair to remember walking through the livestock area of the fair.You may remember seeing all the hardworking livestock 4H and FFA kids cleaning pens,working, talking to the public about their animals, and showing their animal. These young adults put in about 4 months worth of work into their animals. These young adults get up every morning and feed their animals, they don't sleep in on weekends, they have to be home every night to feed them. These kids put in HOURS of effort into their animals, to raise money. Now, here's the amazing thing-if you ask these young adults what they are planning to do with the money they earn, most of them will tell you that some of the money, or in some cases all of the money, will be saved to help pay for college. These same kids are getting ready to raise more of their animals this year, and unfortunately, many of the buyers from the auction do not appreciate such a discriminative theme, and therefore will not attend the auction this year. That means that all these young adults that put in so much time will not get the money that they deserve for their efforts. I LOVE the idea of including all ethnicities in our fair. I thank whoever brought up the idea of having a "worlds themed fair", but I do not agree that this theme should be in place, if it is going to effect the participation in the livestock auction. It is simply unfair for our 4H and FFA to suffer for a few simple words on a flier. "

russ wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:09 PM:

" A great opportunity! The CHP should have a booth to display the danger and hazards of drunk driving, auto safety and promote training programs. The Napa Police Dept should promote parental control of teenagers and potential dangers of crime to youngsters. Let's make this a positive experience against crime. "

hillbilly89 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:19 PM:

" I am now ashamed to be part of this year's napa town and country fair, this is my last possible year being able to show and sell animals so will do it no matter what. The last two years have been focused on animals at fair, beef, and lamb. I would like to know what happened to the rest of the animals involved, poultry, swine, rabbits, etc? In the article it says that this will engulf multiple cultures but with a theme such as this how is that possible, it forces us to focus on one alone. All-in-all I am ashamed and believe the theme should be changed and find that this was not the best decision made by the fair board. "

Paddy wrote on Mar 1, 2008 11:19 PM:

" My previoius post didn't make the 'cut'. My guess is half the comments on the "Fiesta de Napa" are being removed due to the editors sensitive nature. Newspapers are supposed to uphold our First Amendment rights, the Napa Register does not. Regarding the fair, my family of six will find something else to do. "

napaca98 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:07 AM:

" I do not plan to attend the fair this year, to be honest with you I don't think it will be a safe place to be at with my two kids this year and all because of the theme... I am Mexican and I do not agree with the theme. I can assure you that Mexico would never have a fair with a theme honering another race... We as hispanics are here (U.S.A) because we want a better life, we need to learn the language and respect the country that is giving us the oppurtunity of a better life... I am not saying to forget about our culture but people have some respect. I hate it when Mexicans carry the Mexican flag out in public not because Im ashamed of being Mexican but because I find it to be disrespectful to the country that is proving a better life for us...Mexicans would not like it if it was the other way around... "

leavintown wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:06 AM:

" It's too late now. Could you imagine the commotion if they changed it to an American theme now? I would defiantly not go to the fair then.

Hey Joe, I hope you and the board made the right decision. Otherwise you guys might be looking for a new job after this fair is over with. "

smogone77 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 8:47 AM:

" i'm on the fence about this whole issue, i for one have not gone to fair for years anyways because all you get there when its dark is Mexican gangs wanting to fight or make rude comments to women. My friends and i stopped going a long time ago, we would rather avoid the problems these gangs cause.
On the other hand i am of Mexican descent, and my family that is here in Napa all came from Mexico, Legally. My grandfather worked his fingers to the bone to give his family a better chance at having a good life. My grandfather, God rest his soul, always taught us to be American, but still not to forget where we came from.
The fair theme is just that, a theme. If you dont like it dont go, better yet have your own "white American" fair. Or next year when they have te pre fair meetings, be there, and dont complain after the fact. Too many Americans show outrage after the fact, when if it matters so much, they should be there from the start. "

logical wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:09 AM:

" You can count me and my family out for going to the fair this year. I, as well as many, many people I know, am sick of the hispanic theme everywhere I go. I feel like I'm choking on it. Do town officials love violence, trash, and scribble? (if you know what I mean)

What happened to a country fair? "

enapa wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Once again my comments are not posted. It's a huge wonder why nobody purchases this Communist Manifesto of a paper. "

Ms. Opinons wrote on Mar 2, 2008 11:28 AM:

" Smogone77- I was not aware of any pre-fair meetings that the public could attend and voice their opinions. Could you let us know when they hold these?
As for the "white American" fair idea....if you have read the blogs of our citizens, you would see it is not about being "white". It is about being FAIR...no pun intended! Did you read the thoughts of the 4H participant about the "livestock themes"? What does that have to do with race?
It may be easy for some to make the decision of not going due to the theme. For us 4H families, we are already invested in this fair far before August. We are IN IT NOW!!!! We have to deal with it. And we WILL make the best of it. As parents, we teach our kids to be role models in all aspects of life and this will be no different. But it never hurts to SPEAK UP. Whether after the fact or before, let your voice be heard! "

logical wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:12 PM:

" With regard to Anderson's comment about cross culturing the fair, get real, everyone always has a preference, and coming from a third world contry, do you think they (the chosen) will cross culture? "

logical wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:17 PM:

" With regard to Anderson's comment about cross culturing the fair, get real, everyone always has a preference, and coming from a third world country, do you think they (the chosen) will cross culture? "

Concerned Citizen wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:36 PM:

" On the trail, I also submitted a comment that was not accepted. Funny, too, because it was no where near as specific or angry as some I've read. So I, too, will attempt a more "PC" blog. I am disgusted with the decision to showcase one race/culture over others who also reside in Napa. I am amazed that, in the face of all the controversy, the fair officionados have chosen to cater to this particular culture. Can it be a money making scheme? Have they noticed a change in the attendance of fairs past, an so have chosen to solicit that group?

I can't imagine another reason to separate cultures by showcasing one over others. This seems devisive, to me, and inflamatory, as well. It causes one to wonder.....

I believe our little burg has become over influenced by a specific group of people over ALL others, and this decision by the fair board is feeding fuel to a simmering fire which is just beneath the surface of our daily lives. What purpose is this to serve?

I hope this makes the posts; I believe these are legitimate questions and I wonder why this one ssegment of our society is being pronounced while others are completely ignored? "

kingsavage wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:36 PM:

" why not have an american theme in an american town. this is a ridiculous idea i guess. if you want to cater to the mexican population why not have a big party on cinco de mayo. the fair would probably make more money in that one day than i think they will make in the week of this years mexican fair. "

steph wrote on Mar 2, 2008 5:31 PM:

" I've never been to a fiesta I didn't like. Hispanic culture is not un-American. The backlash here is a slap in the face of every decent, hard-working Hispanic in our country--including Hispanic/Latino/Mexican- American SOLDIERS who have fought bravely for our beloved country--not un-American. I can say that after reading all the panic on this blog, I am truly ashamed of being white in Napa. I hope the Hispanics who are being disparaged with stereotypes on this page are more open-minded than the whites here, and realize not all whites think alike. Not all whites are crazed with anger over a Fiesta, nor the marketing to Hispanics who legitimately live in this valley. I'm dismayed that there are Hispanics who don't want a Fiesta theme, fearing that the whites might get angry. What does that say about OUR culture? It's nothing I'm proud of, that's for sure. "

mytwocents wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:35 PM:

" to concerned: Of course it's all about money... and the average citizen? The CEO obviously could care less. "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:23 PM:

" Steph.. youre making quite a big assumption that all these bloggers are white. Why are you ashamed to be white? How do you know who's what on these anonymous blogs? There are a small few who have identified their nationality but thats it. Arent you being just as small minded as those youre criticizing? There are more than just whites and Hispanics in this town you know. Just because someone doesnt agree with the fair theme, doesnt mean they are White. Dont assume. "

misfit wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:11 AM:

" Why does a fair need to have any kind of a theme that requires pre-fair meetings for discussion? Can't a fair just be what it is. As for the problem with youths i.e. gang members attending the fair in force, just look at any fair anywhere. This problem exists in every town. Napa is not special and it's not just Hispanics or any other race out causing trouble. It's testosterone! It's human nature to form in groups and not all of these gangs are out raping and pillaging. Let's suspend the fear for awhile and see what happens. "

misfit wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:46 AM:

" Steph...You make the most sense of anyone on this blog.
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mypoint wrote on Mar 3, 2008 12:46 PM:

" I will NOT be attending the fair...I feel we honor the hispanics enough in our society....I'm actually outraged that they would even consider a latin theme.... "

NValleyGirl wrote on Mar 3, 2008 12:52 PM:

" I can almost guarantee that if there was a Russian, or French theme no one would be writing into the Register up in arms over celebrating a different culture.

I personally cannot wait to go to the fair this year so for all of you not attending, great, more room for us and shorter lines! Mexico has a beautiful culture too bad peoples own bigotry wont allow them to see past their own biases. This blind patriotism/xenophobic attitude is the reason that Americans are laughed at by other countries. For everyone writing in stating "This is America" thank you for the geography lesson, I don't think that anyone is confused about that, it is ok to celebrate another culutre *gasp*. You can do that and be an American at the same time.

Reading some of these comments makes me realize that maybe we haven't come as far in the war on racism as I had previously thought. Shame on you! "

Napanee wrote on Mar 3, 2008 1:05 PM:

" NValleyGirl, you would be wrong. "

Bob wrote on Mar 3, 2008 1:21 PM:

" The only racism I see will be next year if they don't pick another ethnic group and celebrate their culture so the themes should be set for the next 20 or so years. not in the order written American, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Hungarian, African, Dutch, French, Irish, Swiss, German, Canadian you get the picture. "

NValleyGirl wrote on Mar 3, 2008 2:13 PM:

" To Napanee: Really, I don't think that my comments are too far off base. There is a growing trend of hatrid and seperatism in this community and it is alarming. "

4-H girl 88 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 3:26 PM:

" I just had a conversation with a board member about this subject and he seems to think that I am being racist because I was not offended when we had a Mardi gras theme a few years ago. He says that we were celebrating another culture then and that this shouldn’t be this big of a deal.
To this board member, I would like to say that Mardi gras may have originated in another country but it has become a part of our American culture, “Fiestas” still are not part of our culture. You may say that this is not about celebrating the Hispanic or Mexican culture but you will be doing that whether you are trying to or not with this theme. You may say that it is just how you will be decorating the fair, and there won’t be any Mexican flags or anything like that but just by calling it a fiesta you are encouraging Mexican culture to come forward. By bringing in Spanish music and dancers, that is celebrating their culture; by using there colors and attaching it with Mexican food and entertainment, that is celebrating there culture. There is no way that this will be just about decorations, and if that’s all that it is to you, just how you will decorate the fair, then it shouldn’t be that big of a deal to change it. You are not only losing support of your community but support of your 4-H and FFA kids and family’s. Take into consideration what the people on this article are saying. It my save our fair this year. this isn’t just about you it is about what the community wants, the more you meet there needs and wants the more likely you are going to turn a profit.
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steph wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:43 PM:

" So why exactly is it that 4H and FFA members can't enjoy a fiesta? What exactly is wrong about celebrating the fun parts of Mexican culture? Is there something about 4H and FFA that prohibit the learning about other cultures? What about the agricultural and family-oriented or crafts-oriented aspects of a neigboring culture--not some culture picked at random, but a culture of a neighboring country that has been a very influential part of California culture (food, city names, architecture, agriculture, religion, etc.) since the VERY beginning of California? I daresay there is a LOT to be learned here--how about we make this a positive educational experience instead of a negative race-bashing, anxiety-ridden experience? How about we learn to all get along with each other, and share the best parts of our cultures with each other? Is this against what 4H and FFA teach? Somehow I don't think so. Let's not waste this valuable opportunity. "

kbf wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:09 PM:

" Mardi gras is not celebrating a certain segement of the population over another, it is a big street party. Those of us who are not in favor of a fiesta are not racists. Look at the postings and see the hispanic people who are against it, that says a lot. The 4H part, the kids are suppose to decorate their pens according to the theme and they get judged on it. Our family won't be going to the fair, and don't call me racists my favorite food is mexican. "

109823 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:34 PM:

" Hey Steph, 1st and foremost that other culture as you call it refuses to learn the language of the United States and secondly they're not interested in our culture, believe me. "

Maya wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:04 PM:

" I will gladly go to the fair and take my kids there as well. We will enjoy the new theme and celebrate the people we know and befriend who have Mexican heritage. Ole! "

Hear Ye wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:06 PM:

" Get over it people. The fair has a different theme each year and I'm sure will continue to do so. If having a Hispanic theme for one year loses the support of 4-H and FFA then I say "adios" and good riddance. The livestock auction is probably my favorite part of the fair too but if these comments are representative of the mindset and maturity of these clubs then I won't miss it a bit. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it's not. "

steph wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:57 PM:

" Ah, I see, some of us only have very broad brushes and only one color to paint with. How sad. Broad brushes are good for one thing--making sweeping generalizations that barely deserve acknowledgement. I don't know of the "they" that is being referred to, but I do know plenty of fiesta-lovers who speak English, many who speak Spanish and English, and a few who speak more than two languages. How many do you speak? Ignorance is so unbecoming. You who want to generalize are displaying the worst stereotypical behavior of whites in this valley. How do you expect people from other cultures to embrace American culture if this is what we have to offer? Try some grace and love for a change. "

mt88 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:02 PM:

" this is ridiculous. if we can have a fiesta theme catering to hipanics lets have a white pride theme its the same deal period it just not gonna happen because it will seem racist but you can a fiesta and its ok. obivously someone needs to knock some sense into the person that comes up with the theme.by targeting one population your leaving the other cultures out of this theme and is that what we really want the youth of napa seeing that it is ok to cater to only one race and leave out everyone else. you can show apperciation to hispanics but it damn shame your going to give them the fair.there is a snowballs chance in hell that i will be attending napa county's fair ever again unless their is a change in the theme. "

CaptnLee01 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:33 PM:

" This is nothing but a marketing scheme. To assimilate a ethnic group into American culture we should recognize but not separate bodies of people. I will NOT be attending fair this year due to the theme and the "teenager" problem. I am a teenager but it does not change the fact that most teens ( and the large gang presence) makes it uncomfortable, i use to look forward to the fair. Now it is nothing more then a liberal mess. If anything loose the Mexican flag. Get over the fa ct that this is not Mexico it is America. If you are coming here for a better life, it is common respect to be an American, and love the country to. If i left american for Canada i would not flaunt the fact that i was American. When Russians, Chinese or who ever come to this country they love the flag that gave them such freedom and opportunity. What is the world coming to? "

CaptnLee01 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Also am i the only one who has read all the Americans of Mexican descent who will not be going because they see the problem with it. The people who don't have a problem are the rich white liberals making a profit. Read all the posts and read what all these well tanned AMERICANs see. I think that this idea is more supported by rich white liberals then the Hispanic population its self, ironic right? "

Rocco wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:07 AM:

" I think many are just reacting, and at a deep guttural level, to the uneasy feeling that maybe we're becoming less welcome at our own party. "

Paisano wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:44 AM:

" Having a Hispanic theme at the fair is an excellent idea. This is a great way of showing the Napa Valley's laborers some appreciation. I will pick up my sombrero and poncho and see you all at the fair. :-) "

Concerned Citizen wrote on Mar 4, 2008 8:09 AM:

" Thank you, "Two Cents," for bringing up the question : "....are you ashamed of being white....?" A very pertinent and legitimate question.

What is it about white people being so submissive and apologetic and, yes, ashamed? This started happening several decades ago and hasn't lost steam. It appears that to be white is to be guilty until proven innocent.

I don't buy it and I don't buy into it. The problem is that we are being influenced by the tyranny of the majority - at least in the vocal sense - and decisions are being made accordingly. The squeakiest, loudest group is getting oiled at the expense of every other ethnic, national and cultural group. This is not only detrimental, it is damaging.

It is like telling all other ethnic, cultural and nationalalities that they must 'sit at the back of the bus,' while the demanding group gains power merely by presenting themselves as a "voting bloc," with rights beyond other socio/economic/cultural/ethnic groups.

This is devisive to the maximum; and is not working towards bring the "races" together rather, this "separate" and "deserving of special treatment" mentality is dividing the "races" more than anything else.

Why aren't we all Americans? If we're here legally and legitimately, then we ARE AMERICANS first.

Why is it so hard for people to see this? As long as we continue to view ourselves, present ourselves and make demands on others based on being of a particular ethnic identity, then the problems between "groups" will continue; they will not abate.

Simple. "

Reality Check wrote on Mar 4, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Multicultural societies thrive...Bicultural societies die on the vine. Which direction are we heading? "

ganeece wrote on Mar 4, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Steph- all the 4-Her's that have a problem with this theme, isn't because we think we have to "worship" the Mexican flag it's because the poor theme choice is driving away ALOT of supporters. These kids have worked very hard to raise these animals and besides the learning experience the fair is their main destination, it's the reason that they raise animals. Who are they going to sell their animals to if no one will go to the fair? Are you willing to buy mulitple animals for over $1000.00 each when no one shows up to the auction? For many of the kids this money is very important to them, lots of us saved up for college or a car. For the past two years the theme has been all about the animals... why should it be any differnet this year?

Turning this into a race issue is not the point, it's getting the MAJORITY of the public to come to the fair and support our community. How is that going to happen when they choose a theme that so controversial.... why can't we just stick to a simple county fair theme? "

Ms. Opinons wrote on Mar 4, 2008 9:13 AM:

" I am all for a good fiesta!!! When I so desire one, I fly to Mexico, with my PASSPORT and pay good money to the country for accomodations. I do not request that they speak English or for their phone systems to have English as an option. I do not break the rules or sign up for financial assistance under false identification. I go to MEXICO RESPECTFULLY and LEGALLY. MANY (not ALL) Mexican citizens do not follow the same respect for AMERICA and that is one reason why I am against this fair theme! "

1490 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 9:52 AM:

" I just feel it very important to speek my mind. The bottom line is that with out the " Fair " the Livestock Auction could still go on and would still be very succesful for our kids that have worked so hard with their 4-H projects. Every year the same wonderful people, companies, family and friends show up at the Livestock auction to support our kids. The bottom line is that the fair needs the Livestock , the livestock does not need the fair. The people that show up at the livestock auctiuon are only at the fair because of the 4-H livestock auction, the fun day that it involves, supporting the kids and hanging out with good family and friends,it just happens to be held at the same time as the fair NOT BECAUSE OF THE FAIR its self!!!! "

glenroy wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:02 AM:

" Multi culture societies thrive? Oh yea give us a single example? France..not....Russia..not....Mexico..not.....England..not....Serbia..not.....Kosovo..not.....Lebanon..not....anywhere? NOTTA....the cohesion that bound this country was not some politically correct theory, it was in fact the practice of the ‘melting pot’ where the common denominator was becoming an American...not a Mexican American or a Greek American or a French American or an Italian American..but an American American....take than away the American aspect we’re just like every other 3rd world society subject to the largest ethnic tribe.

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1490 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Gang activity ? does that at all come to mind ? Narvainyos , Servanios ? Hmmmm This was really thought through ! Yeah the theme would have been a good idea had their not been such animosity between the races involved.The two Pit bulls in the back yard would have gotten along but , We didnt take into mind that when we put them together that they were pit bulls that fight . hmmmmmmm. Great theme !!! "

Paisano wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:18 AM:

" Ganeece, a fair theme that is controversial??? The fair theme may be controversial to you but not to other people. Mexican-Americans have earned the right to come BACK to this great country and enjoy the rights that the American people enjoy. Mexican immigrants have earned this right by doing the jobs that you won't do. What would the Napa Valley be without Mexican immigrants? Who would farm the land that Americans of other races do not? I’m 99.9% sure that you wouldn’t do that type of physical labor. So please stop complaining and come enjoy the fiesta at the fairgrounds this year. "

Bianca wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:51 AM:

" Ok... This is really stupid. Seriously, what is so wrong with having ONE year with a HISPANIC theme? People its just ONE year!! Get over it! Wether you like it or not, the hispanic population is growing in the Napa Valley and its here to stay, trust me. Yea i know that some people are completely opposed to the idea that maybe, just maybe, California will become 90% hispanic. I think that the theme for this year is a good idea, there really is no need to be so mean about it. So just because ONE year the emphasis is going to be on the hispanic culture you are really going to boycott the fair? what kind of example will you be setting for your kids? Are you showing them that its ok to be racist? (gasp!! the R-Word) Because that is what all this is going to come down to, people not accepting the fact that this Country is what it is because of all the immigrants, hispanic or not. Would this be happening if it were an Irish, or African theme?? No.. not really. People, open up your minds! dont give your kids that bad example. "

mypoint wrote on Mar 4, 2008 11:13 AM:

" paisano - mexican americans fine - however, everybody knows that the mexicans working in the vineyards, the majority of them are here illegally...They make work hard, but they are provided with free medical, housing, food and so on....they have no respect for our laws and continually break them....i do not plan on participating in honor them in the fair...i feel the theme is extremely unfair and many other cultures work just has hard so i don't know the point in honoring them, do you? "

JimClark wrote on Mar 4, 2008 12:21 PM:

" This has nothing to do with food, themes, or "culture". It has to do with the catering to one group of people.
This is a very sad comment on who is controlling our Fair. I don't like being forced to accept something even if I do support a protion of it. "

jellybean wrote on Mar 4, 2008 12:30 PM:

" I AGREE 100% with Ms Opinions and have been saying the same comments since Friday, however the moderator has conveniently deleted my posts. I would like to state this: It is obvious the decline in the fair's Anglo attendance and rise in Hispanic attendence, sure I can see why Joe's going to cater to that Hispanic culture this summer. I just hope the Napa PD is ready & prepared for the increase in Nortenos and Surenos gangs, the overflow of trash thrown on the ground (think flea mkt), the mass of drunks, the DUIS and the rest of the aftermath this is going to create. No way my kids are going here!! p.s. Hey Joe, why are you taking away the American music (R&B, Rock, country)!! "

Paisano wrote on Mar 4, 2008 12:34 PM:

" To Mypoint. Have you gone out to the vineyards and conducted a poll to see how many people working out there are in this country legally? Have you conducted a poll to see how many Mexican immigrants have received medical, housing, food, or so on? If so, can you please post your results because I would love to see them? If you have not conducted any polls then I guess it's safe to say that you my friend are ASSUMMING that Mexican immigrants are here illegally and that they abuse government programs? Now regarding the fair, if you don’t feel like attending the fair because the theme bothers, then don’t! You have the right to make that decision because of brave soldiers (which include many Mexican immigrants) who have fought and died for this country so that you may have the freedom to make your own decisions. "

kevin wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:06 PM:

" Excellent choice for a theme! Mexican's defiinitely know how to party! Already looking forward to the Fair (first time in a long time...) "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:25 PM:

" Steph.. your posts continue to ASSUME that all bloggers against this theme are white. A quote from your last blog "YOU who want to GENERALIZE are displaying the worst STEREOTYPICAL behavior of WHITES in this valley".
YOU are generalizing in that very statement!!!
How do you know what the backgrounds are of the people expressing themselves on this blog? Again, Whites and Hispanics are not the only 2 cultures in this town. You are stereotyping the behavior of whites in this town as a negative thing in the very post that you criticize bloggers for stereotypes and generalization of Hispanics.
It works both ways!! "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:27 PM:

" Our business usually rents out a booth in Chardonay hall to promote ourselves! Not this year! Mexican music gives me a headache! "

mypoint wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Are you kidding me Paisano, everyone knows...There are articles all over about the invasions of the mexican in our country. If you don't believe this, you are very naive. why a mexican flag, the country they left...If they want the american dream, they should honor the american flag. "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:36 PM:

" I cant help but notice that the very people on this blog who condemn "whites" for making generalizations (when they are negative), have no problem making generalizations that are positive. Example, "Mexicans know how to party", "Mexicans are hard workers", "Mexicans do the work 'you' dont want to do"...
Those are ALL generalizations too!! But I guess those are ok. And those ones make the cuts on blogs.
When you point out the many other obvious generalizations, gangs, crime, illegal immigrations, abuse of government programs, etc., people come unglued and often those posts dont make it through.
Can you say HYPOCRITICAL?!!
"

astounded at stupidity wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Is this Napa, California located in the United States of America in the year 2008? I must ask this because the comments I am reading are reminiscent of pre-historic times. Is this what we teach our children, to be so unaccepting of anothers' culture and lifestyle. The hispanic population of this city and any other city in America is deserving of respect and tribute, just as are all other ethnic populations. If we uplifted and glorified the commonality between different ethnicities/races/religions/etc instead of highlighting our differences; we would discover that we are all more alike than different. A fiesta is no different than any other celebration, and if it caters to the Mexican population this year - enjoy and celebrate in the richness of their traditions, instead of focusing on all the negative aspects, such as gangs and unruly youth; which by the way is a problem that affects all ethnicities. Be proactive in a positive way and if you feel like the Irish (substitute and culture you represent) deserve an opportunity to shine - then advocate for the fair to go Irish next year. This year is the year for the FIESTA. Relax and go have some fun and yes sing "We are the world" in Spanish while you are at it! "

mypoint wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Thanks two cents, very, very well said and very good observations! Kuddos to you! "

backintown wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:59 PM:

" For me, this is not a race issue. I would feel the same way if they were flying a Canadian flag at the fair. Why are we celebrating another country? As has been stated many times, we are all (well, most of us) Americans. Shouldn't we celebrate the U.S.A at the "town and country" fair? For those of you that don't think the U.S.A. is the greatest country in the world, you are free to leave. That's the beauty of it. For those that want to stay and complain about it, that's your right too...
As for me, I will not be attending this year's fair. When they bring back the country music and the good ol' red, white, and blue, I'll be back. If you want to show your opinion by not attending when that happens, feel free. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 4, 2008 2:07 PM:

" My brother is currently serving in Iraq...America is STILL AT WAR! To celebrate Mexico or any other country at a state or county fair is inappropriate. Aren't there more inspiring theme's? Let's celebrate America...our sons and daughters are DYING in an American war! "

bianca wrote on Mar 4, 2008 2:20 PM:

" last time i checked....

america isn't 100% "americans"... its

hispanic.
african..
chinese...
irish....
canadian....

ironically most are followed by "-american" i.e. mexican-american

BTW, what america are we talking about??? North America Or South America? Both Say America...??? "

ganeece wrote on Mar 4, 2008 2:51 PM:

" Paisano- not controversial? that's why this article is the most commented on the site, why people are so upset and refusing to go to the fair..... but your right it's not controversial. Maybe you overlooked the point of my comment. I don't care what country Joe chooses to honor, if it's driving away people who support our fair and livestock auction, there is a problem. The theme is supposed to make the fair fun, THIS theme has enraged many.... no one ever got upset over "Shake Your Moove Thing” or “Beach Blanket Baa-Baa-Lon”, let's keep the theme's simple and out of CONTROVERSIAL subjects.


And lastly.... you can't change how someone feels about this subject, so why keep shooting off rediculous facts that have nothing to do with the FAIR? If people are refusing to go to their own community's fair then changes need to be made. Someone explaining to me or arguing that "Mexican immigrants have earned this right by doing the jobs that you won't do. What would the Napa Valley be without Mexican immigrants? Who would farm the land that Americans of other races do not? I’m 99.9% sure that you wouldn’t do that type of physical labor." is NOT going to change my mind or anyone elses!!!

and by the way, both my family's own vineyards and I'm 99.9% sure that I'm out there everytime we have to prune, spray, or pick.... so don't assume ANYTHING!!!! "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 4, 2008 3:04 PM:

" Bianca, yes you are right, there are lots of different cultures which make up North America. However, there is one major difference, with regards to your list... All those you mentioned and the many others, came here and assilimated.. learned the language and such, which is why when you call places you dont have to press 2 for African, 3 for Chinese, 4 for Italian, etc.
They became African-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Italian-Americans, and Mexicans should do the same. Come here (legally), learn OUR language, wave OUR flag, and become Mexican-Americans, not Mexicans living in America (as someone else wisely posted before me!). "

tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Mar 4, 2008 3:16 PM:

" I don't understand why there has to be a theme to the fair, can't it just be a county fair. Include everyone, have mexican food booths, and italian food booths, and chinese food booths, im tired of the same corn dogs and pizza. Have a country music band and a rock band and a spanish singing band each on a different night and let the community choose which night they want to go listen to music. People complain about a spanish singing band but how many of you have been to the opera, you can't understand a word of that but you still go. MY POINT is get rid of the theme and let everyone participate in there own way "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 4, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Bianca - All documented American Citizens are called "Americans"...no matter what their lineage. An illegal Mexican is not a Mexican-American. Also South America and North America are continents with no established governing bodies - we are talking about countries. Just a little geography lesson =) "

Paisano wrote on Mar 4, 2008 5:29 PM:

" Viva La Feria! This years county fair could not be here soon enough. Mariachis, tacos, burritos, excellent choice for a theme this year. "

Paisano wrote on Mar 4, 2008 5:38 PM:

" ganeece: People commenting about this article does not make the topic controversial. This theme may seem contreversial to you or other people but not to everybody. Ganeece, you sit here and complain about Mexican heritage but answer me this. Have you never eaten a taco or a burrito? Have you ever celebrated Cinco De Mayo? Have you ever poured Tapatio, eaten a tortilla, or ate a jalapeño before? Chances are that you have. So please, clear your mind, go to the fair and enjoy a good fiesta. "

winemd wrote on Mar 4, 2008 5:44 PM:

" So, I guess a lot of people posting to this board will be boycotting St. Patrick's Day on March 17.

Seriously, there was a time in this country when the Irish immigrants evoked just as much vitriol as the Mexican immigrants do now and for many of the same reasons: they take our jobs, they bring gangs, they don't assimilate, etc.

I believe that the 4H and FFA have an opportunity to learn about soemthing as they decorate this year. Think of all the "English" words related to fiesta (feast, festival). Have some fun with it! "

whatareyouthinking wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:41 PM:

" Well by the way it sounds I will have the fair all to myself. I love it.....More of the complaints here sound hate driven more than politically driven. Comments on the Napa Register are definetly gonna get things moving in washington on immigration issues. If you are so bothered by it (since the fair is no longer the issue) send your comments to Robert Mondavi and all the other wine millonaires who are practically getting away with murder employing illegal's. Boycott wine. Do something to make an impact instead of sitting at your desk playing comment ping pong. "

Bianca wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:01 PM:

" I know my geography... the reason why i say that is because we all use the term "american" like if there's only one america...

Dos Centavos: Yes you are right, MOST of them came assimilated, but immigrants arent supposed to be forced to learn the english language, its a personal choice. no one is forcing you to learn spanish, or italian, etc... people learn things they want to learn. I dont know if you've ever gone to the Cinco De Mayo celebration in Calistoga, or anyplace by that matter, i see the mexican flag AND U.S flag being waved.. and now one says anything then?

How can you force people to boycott their roots just because they live in the US? If you are Italian American, are you going to forget your customs and your heritage just because you live in the US? What about Chinese New Year?
Black History Month? Why is a "HISPANIC" themed day any different? "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:15 PM:

" Bianca: You can't be serious! There is only one america also known as the United States (of america). Americans are citizens of the country of the United States of America. This is basic knowledge, infact, I taught it to my third grader last month! "

sweetgrape14 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 8:24 PM:

" The Napa fair is supposed to bring members of the community together to enjoy various exhibits, games, food, forms of entertainment and most importantly, each other.

Any theme that segregates a community like this is not a positive one especially when the core goal of the theme is not to empower our mexican-american neighbors. This theme was clearly put in place to generate a higher profit for the city of Napa without regard to what kind of psychological impact it would have on the community as a whole. The people who put this theme in place know that there is an increasing population of Mexican-Americans in Napa and they chose to exploit that fact by manipulating our Mexican-American neighbors into thinking that this theme was put into place because they truly care about their Mexican culture. No, they truly care about their pocket-books and they see a huge profit to be made by getting more Mexican-Americans to come to the fair.

If you want more people to come to the fair, pick a neutral yet exciting theme, bring in more exciting entertainment, and jazz up everyone to want to come, not just one ethnic culture! I do not like manipulation that is centered around peoples' personal and political beliefs such as this fair theme has done. All I can say is we need everyone to feel equally welcome at the fair and by having the theme be an ethnic one, equality cannot be achieved. I am not saying however, that we should not celebrate our heritage. But every member of the community should have an equal opportunity to do so. If you plan on having this year's theme be Mexican, you had better have plans for future fairs rotating on themes of every separate ethnic culture. "

jenny99 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:35 PM:

" Once again Opiniagirl, you show why you shouldn't homeschool.

Mexicans, even if they live in Mexico, are technically Americans. Because they live in North America. Just like we do. People who live in Costa Rica? Technically Americans. Because they live in South America.

Just because we, as citizens of the USA, decide we want to nickname ourselves as "Americans" doesn't mean that every person who lives on the American continents has to relinquish their rights to the name.

"

bettye wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:42 PM:

" I am following these blogs with interest every day.. What I read into this is ..people are tired of the Mexican immigrants getting so much notice .. I just recieved an E-mail of Montebello High School mexican students flying the U.S.of America flag UPSIDE DOWN with the mexican flag flying on top..( I Checked this out and it was real) Why are they allowed to do this ??How do you think the people of Mexico would react to this ,if we did that in their country ?? Instead of being outraged ,we cater to them and have a county fair theme for them.!. Don't get me wrong .. I have some wonderful Mexican friends but they don't agree with all of this .. Is this all about the wineries and money these people make for them ??Why are we catering to this group ?? "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:44 PM:

" Bianca... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? No one should be forced to learn the English language when they come here?? A personal choice??
Do you know how much $$ its costing our schools to have programs for spanish speakers because these kids (and their parents) refuse to learn English? Do you know that teachers have to spend their own $$ and extra time to get a mandatory CLAD certification because of the language issue in our schools? Do you know how much extra time and $$ it takes to have everything translated everywhere you go? Schools, courts, banks, doctors offices, DMV, stores, etc. Can you imagine if we had to incur these costs for every language background in this country because no one wanted to learn? Its bad enough just for the one. Get real already!!
And as far as expecting people to "boycott their roots", those are your words and not anyone else's here. No one is asking that. Its called ASSIMILATION (dictionary says "the process in which one group takes on the cultural and other traits of a larger group"). This means, when you move to another country, you become part of it.. not the other way around. Doesnt mean you completely give up who you are, but you show respect, you show allegiance to our flag, at the very least you learn the language... not expect everyone else to learn yours.
PS.. to winemd.. your comparison to St Patty's day makes no sense.. HELLO.. we have Cinco De Mayo too you know.
"

onthetrail wrote on Mar 5, 2008 12:19 AM:

" Thank-you Jellybean, I too have been trying bring up some of the same issues you brought up since Friday and have only managed to get one comment thru the moderator. I have lived adjacent to the Expo for over 10 years and have watched each year as the attendance base becomes increasingly Hispanic. Coincidentaly, the amount of trash that I must pick up in my yard each morning has increased. It used to be that the Expo would give, as a courtesy, free tickets to neighbors surrounding the fairgrounds for dealing with the inconvienance of the traffic/parking/noise the fair created. Now, not only do we not get the tickets anymore, but they are actually catering to the majority attendees that have made the problem's much worse. I don't think this "theme" will make things worse, as far as trash and traffic, although I am concerned about the gang issue, but I definitely think they will lose what little diversity they had in their attendance by having this politically charged theme now. I plan on packin up the dogs, turning on the alarm system and gettin outa town that week. "

Tim wrote on Mar 5, 2008 5:53 AM:

" gee whiz opiniagirl, you better talk to your third grader again or else she will fail geography at school.

The "Americas" consist of everything from Canada all the way down to Chile and Argentina...thats why they are called North America, Central America, and South America.



"

NapaValley61 wrote on Mar 5, 2008 6:31 AM:

" Enough already. Bottom line: If you feel strongly against the theme, then DON'T GO. If everyone that feels this way boycotts the fair and they show a drastic drop in attendance, income, etc. then maybe next year the Fair Board will think twice about selecting the fair theme. "

Concerned Citizen wrote on Mar 5, 2008 7:35 AM:

" Bianca, you said: "but immigrants arent supposed to be forced to learn the english language, its a personal choice." YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. Those who become citizens must show an understanding of the English language, know fundamentals of our history and show a respect for our laws. South America shares the same continental shelf as North America...but THAT IS IT!.

For those of you who believe "everything is beautiful, in it's own way," and "we are the world," & "all you need is love," among other naive phrases, are more than welcome to your view of things. In the "best of all possible worlds," and uphoric utopia; it might just be possible to assimilate ALL people who want to cross our borders BUT...

We don't live in that world. We have to watch over our country and our belief systems, social and legal. We CANNOT accomodate all who wish to live here, no matter how idealic we view the world. There ARE those who would do harm, large scale or small, be it identity theft, drug trafficking, WMD's, etc. It has happened before; it will happen again.

And, this is not the only issue about protecting our borders. We are a nation of laws. In order to avoid chaos and disorder, we must maintain our laws; those are the backbone of the fabric of this country. To disdain, ignor or just plain break these laws is not acceptable.

Because Mexico borders the U.S. does not automatically give Mexicans the right to simply cross that border because of the ease of doing so. One must earn the right to be here as so many other immigrants have done.

"

Paisano wrote on Mar 5, 2008 7:55 AM:

" Ganeece: You claim that your family owns vineyards. Now tell me something. How many non Mexican immigrants does your family employ in the vineyards? How many non Mexican Americans are out there pruning plants all day (pruning a few plants is not work Ganeece) long? How many non Mexican employees are out there spraying, or actually harvesting grapes? You better than anybody else should know and understand what the Mexican immigrants mean to this community if your family really does own vineyards. So please stop complaining and let the Mexican immigrants have their theme in appreciation of what they have done for this community. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 5, 2008 8:40 AM:

" Jenny99 you actually proved WHY I homeschool with those statements! Yes, the continants of South America and North America contain other ountries, but the term American is specific to the citizens of the United States of America.

The term America, for the lands of the western hemisphere, was coined in the early sixteenth century after Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian explorer and cartographer. The full name of the country was first used officially in the Declaration of Independence, which was the "unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America" adopted by the "Representatives of the united States of America" on July 4, 1776.[10] The current name was finalized on November 15, 1777, when the Second Continental Congress adopted the Articles of Confederation, the first of which states, "The Stile of this Confederacy shall be 'The United States of America.'" American is rarely used in English to refer to people not connected to the United States. "

dmom wrote on Mar 5, 2008 8:42 AM:

" I wonder if that curfew will be in place prior to the fair opening...

I would be concerned about allowing my teenager to attend the fair this year, given the recent escalation of gang violence in Napa. "

Bianca wrote on Mar 5, 2008 8:45 AM:

" 2 Cents: OK. As much as i try, i cant!! We make teachers spend money to earn the language too??? In the words of my high school freind... "no manches!!" Teachers who wish to do that can. not all teachers know how to speak spanish. good for those who do. Dont you know that being bilingual is a good thing, tri-lingual is even better. It all depends where you live, please you say learning a different language is bad??
Back to the point... Learning a new language is hard for some people. It takes time, maybe even years. Maybe have you thought that what is missing is time to learn? maybe people are too busy working to sit down and learn the language. We dont have to learn the language, if we choose to be monolingual its, well, our loss too. we pay a price for not speaking english too.

Can you imagine though... here we are in Lil' Old Napa Valley arguing about one language, one culture, can you imagine a place like New York? who has WAY more cultures that Napa Valley will ever have. imagine the money they are making you spend... haha

Seriously, i think its childish that we are arguing over a flippin' fair theme. Its just the fair, if ya wanna go, go. if you dont, then stay home or go out somewhere else. Save your money... feed the pig. =] "

winemd wrote on Mar 5, 2008 9:00 AM:

" My comparison to St. Patrick's Day is pointing out that we do "cater" to other cultures. Sure there are Cinco de Mayo celebrations, but does that mean we can't have other times for a fiesta? Many people posting on the board are saying that they don't want to pander to Hispanics or promoting one group over another. Doesn't St. Patrick's Day "pander" to the Irish and promote them over other groups for that day? In my opinion this is not promoting one group over another, it is including everyone. I don't want to have to go to Mexico to enjoy a fiesta. I personally found the last 2 fair themes a little silly (disco cows?). "

Paisano wrote on Mar 5, 2008 9:55 AM:

" Winemd: I couldn't agree with you more. You make an excellent point. "

astounded at stupidity wrote on Mar 5, 2008 11:11 AM:

" Seriously folks, we are discussing the ills of our nation all in response to the theme idea for a fair. All the articles in the paper concerning real issues - where are all you commentators then. It's just a fair and it's just one years theme and we have discussions regarding ESL; bilingual requirements; immigration; gangs and worse. Correct me if I'm wrong, but part of the purpose of a fair is to give people a chance to relax and forget everday pressures, if only for a moment in time.
No one is asking you to align yourself as a Mexican national or even to befriend a Mexican. No one is asking you to chose between the Mexican flag and the American flag. All that is being done is finding new and different ways to spice up the same ole fair. Who doesn't love to party? The "Fiesta" is just another way to party. Lets not make this "them" against "us". Just go out and enjoy the fair and its 2008 theme.

I may have a rose colored view of the world as it should be, but isn't that the point of progression. You cannot make progress with a negative view. The war we are currently fighting and the wars we have fought in the past were all based on the premise of equality. The Nazi's had a one-sided view of their world and felt all should asimilate or be anihilated. We are told that Al-Quieda has a one-sided view of their world and all should be hard-lined Muslim or be anihilated. Is this what you want for America? However, that is for another discussion.

Enjoy the fair! "

sharon wrote on Mar 5, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Joe has made a very unwise choice of themes this year. Why choose this theme now? It will only prove a point to people already upset with the illegal immigrant issue. The point is this valley does not care about the laws of this land, only the proffits it can make. Bianca: LEGAL immigrants who choose to become citizens are require to learn the basics of this countries NATIONAL language which IS English, not Spanish or French or German, or any other language. Citizens of The United States of America aka Americans are not required to know a language of another country as we have not made the choice to move to another country. If you were to immigrate to France you would have to learn French. If you move to England you would have to learn English. IF you move to these other countries and chose to fly a flag of any nation other than theirs you would be persecuted by it citizens. Why can not people understand that americans do not have a problem with the different cultures, but we do have a problem with people not following our laws on immigration, and we have a problem with people living in our country, taking the benefits and then throwing their allegiance to another country in our face by waving a flag of that country. I will not honor or support anyone that shows that kind of disrespect to my country. If you divorce one spouse and marry another for a better love you do not still sleep with the ex. Same thing goes when you chose a better life in a new country! "

Jenn wrote on Mar 5, 2008 12:36 PM:

" I have to say that I dont like this years theme. I probably will not be attending Napas fair this year because of it. I think that the fair was doing great with lots of different bands of different genras. They were incorporating everyone they best they could. And if I remember, they did have hispanic food there too, along with all the normal fair foods that people love. I know that when I walked down the main road, you had hispanic music playing. They also did the band in the grandstands for them too. So why this year does the whole thing have to be soley for one nationality? I thought the fair was doing a great job before. Maybe they need to look at the idea that fair attendence is down because there is no where to park near the grounds. Last year I walked from over by Copia to get there and Im sure others have walked further. I even tried to go downtown to cath the bus that was running just for the fair, but the paper was vage on times and where exactly it was going to pick people up. I waited for about 30 min adn then left and went back to look for parking. I truly hope that the board reads what the community is saying on this issue and handle it from there. "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 5, 2008 2:54 PM:

" Bianca... I cant even make any sense out of your first two sentences, so whatever. But as for the original topic.. the fair theme, it's pretty obvious that no one's mind is going to be changed by discussions on this blog. I just hope that Joe Anderson realizes that it was a bad choice and the majority of folks arent happy about it. Listen to your townspeople! "

steph wrote on Mar 5, 2008 5:35 PM:

" Viva Bianca. Don't let the mean ol' small-minded folks get you down. "

Hear Ye wrote on Mar 5, 2008 6:02 PM:

" Actually I think the majority of people either like the idea or could care less what the theme is. A small group of "outraged" people on an NVR comment section doesn't make a majority. My favorite part of this will be when the fair is a success and attendance increases. "

misfit wrote on Mar 5, 2008 7:40 PM:

" How does a simple theme for a fair spark such outrage and suddenly bring up all of these other issues? Napans...get a life already.
Someone suggested we should make it a White Pride theme.
White Pride??? What's to be proud of. Being a racist is being more like White Trash!
Racism has no part in a supposedly evolved society. If you have a problem with illegals, or anyone who is breaking the rules...take it up with the individuals but, to paint an ENTIRE group of people with the same brush is racism.
It is shameful and ignorant. You choose to live in fear and "The only thing to fear is fear itself". "

gogojr1 wrote on Mar 5, 2008 8:48 PM:

" i can't wait for this event, it sounds like a lot of fun ! "

109823 wrote on Mar 5, 2008 9:01 PM:

" To Concerned Citizen, because the Register chooses to not print my posts, because I tell it like it is. I applaud your statements you are spot on. The others should read your post, but there will be those that will miss the forest because the trees will get in their way, as they have such tunnel vision. "

magafez wrote on Mar 5, 2008 9:29 PM:

" I've been reading these comments every day too. I don't like the theme for this year either. I can't believe were still comenting since the first comment posted on 2/28. I agree if you come to America learn the language! Sometimes businesses trying to sell more would put up signs or have a bilingual person 'help' Spanish speaking persons making it easier for us, so we don't really try to learn English as we noticed that everywhere we go theres always help. I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THAT EITHER because it shows lack of interest for nonEnglish speakers to learn Americas Language. I have a brother that's been here for over 20years and knows a few words of the English language all his life's been about working and providing for his kids never tried to learn English "there was no time" as he would say. I love America I just became a citizen and i'm PROUD OF BEING IN THIS COUNTRY i'm still learning English and often ask my co-workers to correct me when i misspronounce or mistype because i know i make mistakes and want to learn to the best. Please I ask all the persons in this blog to stop with negative comments. Please can't we just get along. Joe Anderson you should really consider changing this years theme for the best of all Napans, animal themed has been in the previous years lets keep it that way. Enough please/Basta porfavor! "

quetzal08 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 12:27 AM:

" These comments serve one purpose only. Print them, put them in a safe place where they will not be thrown away. 10 years from now, take them out and read them. I guarantee many who will have traveled and explored outside their little microcosm by then will cringe with embarrassment. "

GregN. wrote on Mar 6, 2008 7:20 AM:

" Looks like I have got to find a new fair to go to.

I'll try next years fair. "

GregN. wrote on Mar 6, 2008 7:31 AM:

" Alright Napkins,

If you want to be heard, contact Joe Anderson youself and be heard.

Email:janderson@napavalleyexpo.com
Phone: (707) 253-4900
FAX: (707) 253-4943
Mail:575 Third Street, Napa, California 94559

Be heard! "

Napanee wrote on Mar 6, 2008 7:31 AM:

" To magafez, thank you for your comments. Do you have any idea what it means to an American to have a new citizen say they love this country and want to become an American? Can anyone understand how it makes us feel when people who snuck in to this country march in the streets and wave their flag and demand rights that they are not entitled to? We take in more legal immigrants than all other countries combined. We have always tried to be there to help other countries in a time of need. We are proud people and try to do the right thing by everyone, but please don't take unfair advantage of us. We have always welcomed legal immigrants, but we cannot afford to take in everyone. Charity begins at home. "

Two Cents wrote on Mar 6, 2008 8:04 AM:

" magafez... Good for you! That is awesome and you should be very proud.
If everyone felt this way and made the same efforts you have made, I guaruntee there would be no division in this town, or this state for that matter.
Magafez, keep up the good work!! I can only hope that your fellow countryman will follow in your footsteps and come here not just for a better life, but also to honor, appreciate, and respect all that America has to offer them. "

PastNapan wrote on Mar 6, 2008 8:10 AM:

" To quetzal08: The way things are going if we put those comments away for 10 years they'll need to be translated into Spanish for anyone in Napa to understand them. People aren't getting the whole picture. This outrage just isn't about the fair.It's just another in a long line of examples of how the City of Napa caters to one segment of the population at the expense of the rest. I feel bad for the 4H kids they are the ones that are going to suffer because of this bad decision on the part of Joe Anderson. "

proud2b4rmMich.Mx wrote on Mar 6, 2008 8:21 AM:

" I can't believe how much time and energy is being spent on complaining on a fair theme when there are way more important things happening all around us. The world would be a better place if we could concentrate our energy on more important issues than on a stupid county fair. "

Rob C wrote on Mar 6, 2008 9:12 AM:

" @ quetzal08 - 10 years? I'm cringing right now.

How can a debate over marketing tactics disintegrate into so much xenophobia?

The real issue is the fairs unfortunate descent from it's daylight ag/community underpinnings to a seamy twilight of decaying buildings and vaguely dangerous carny.

The lack of planning and foresight at the Expo board level is the real issue worth debating.

If only we could get 150 considered posts on that subject. "

onthetrail wrote on Mar 6, 2008 9:38 AM:

" to magafez,
CONGRATULATIONS on becoming a citizen!
If I get nothing else out of these comments, it was worth it to read yours! As one of your new fellow countrymen, I am proud to WELCOME you. Thank-you for restoring my faith in people that want to come to the U.S of A for all the right reasons and do it the correct way. "

napamom3 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:06 AM:

" I think it is wrong to have the term fiesta. We already have Cinco de Mayo. We are all Americans. After all our motto is "out of many one." We welcome people from many nations but expect them to become Americans not Germans, Russians or Mexicans who happen to be living here. We live in a great community which is having a lot of changes. Shouldn't the fair be called "Celebrate Napa"? That is very inclusive and recognizes everyone. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:18 AM:

" I will agree their are racists undertones in this subject. But I would like to point out that I see them very much displayed by choosing a fair theme that discriminates agains a large potion of the towns citizens. What is wrong with having the fair theme be "Celebrating World Culture"? Why is it ok to focus on one culture for the whole fair? Discrimination is discrimination, no matter who does it. We have had a hispanic day every year at the fair for a while now. Where is the asian day, the african american day, the greek day, the portugese day, etc? Now we are going to have a whole hispanic themed fair? Do you not see this is an exclusion of many of our citizens for one group? To megafez....good for you. I would also like to point out that while many hispanic immigrants never have learned our language, I know quite a few who have. I am proud of all of you who have come to this country and care enough to learn our culture. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 6, 2008 11:10 AM:

" magafez; Congrats - fantastic! Thank you for the post! =) "

napan22 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 11:44 AM:

" THIS IS RIDICULOUS! I THOUGHT THAT EVERYBODY POSTING COMMENTS HERE ARE GROWN MATURE ADULTS THAT ARE OVER THE AGE OF 13! I GUESS NOT! FIRST OF ALL WHY BRING UP COMMENTS THAT DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE. WHY DO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO GET RACIAL WITH EVERYTHING?
AND SECOND OF ALL, IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ATTEND THE FAIR THEN DON'T!!!! BIG DEAL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE GO HAVE DINNER! THERE WILL BE OTHER FAIR'S TO GO TOO! IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD NAPANS!!! I PLAN TO ATTEND THE FAIR JUST LIKE ANY OTHER YEAR! NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR ME. IT'S A YEARLY EVNENT THAT THE KIDS ENJOY AND EVEN ADULTS IF THERE ARE ANY IN NAPA STILL?! SO GET OVER IT NAPANS STOP CRYING OVER IT, THERE ARE MUCH MORE CRITICAL THINGS WE SHOULD REALLY BE FOCUSING ON DON'T YOU THINK? SO I SUGGEST TO ALL OF YOU, DON'T LOSE SLEEP OVER THIS SMALL MATTER! "

redwino wrote on Mar 6, 2008 12:36 PM:

" This is America not Mexico. It is important that we embrace all cultures and ethnicities not focus on just one. We have Irish, Italian, German, Mexican, African as well as many others. To dedicate to one race is a horrible idea. "

redwino wrote on Mar 6, 2008 12:49 PM:

" To Napan22:

You said, "IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ATTEND THE FAIR THEN DON'T!!!! BIG DEAL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE GO HAVE DINNER! THERE WILL BE OTHER FAIR'S TO GO TOO! ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD NAPANS!! I PLAN TO ATTEND THE FAIR JUST LIKE ANY OTHER YEAR! NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR ME."

We are a community - it is a big deal if people who have been coming to the far for the past 20 years stop. We need to find a theme that highlights and sits comfortably with everyone in our community. If we are going to be changing performances, languages, flags and food - that is a huge and is entitled to our communities feedback.

You said, "IT'S A YEARLY EVNENT THAT THE KIDS ENJOY AND EVEN ADULTS IF THERE ARE ANY IN NAPA STILL?! SO GET OVER IT NAPANS STOP CRYING OVER IT, THERE ARE MUCH MORE CRITICAL THINGS WE SHOULD REALLY BE FOCUSING ON DON'T YOU THINK?"

This is an important event to both kids and adults. However, not everyone in our community embraces Latino culture - to incorporate it is one thing, but to have the fair centered around is as a "theme" is very different. Our English speaking children and adults will not be able to watch all the performances if they are Spanish. We are in America which is a melting pot of cultures, yet our national language is ENGLISH. This is an important part of Napa, it is ok to have people voice their opinions, but as you referred to "crying" over it. It is refreshing to see people in the community stand up and let their voices be heard. Just because you don't find it a big deal, doesn't discredit others opinions.
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JenN77 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 1:01 PM:

" I couldn't agree more napan22.

This is just a theme that last for 5 whole days of summer. Big deal. I have worked for the fair for over 10 years and never once have seen such a issue over a theme. This doesn't change the fair. All it will do is add a few little things to it. There will be the same rides the same food booths if not a few new ones, same buildings with home arts, professional arts, amateur arts, kids art and 4-H. You will still have performers on the plaza stage and the destruction derby in the grand stands. The fair hasn't had a rodeo in years and when we did have the rodeo we still had great attendence from all cultures. Just because Joe had decided to add a sombrero to the decor is no reason to think this isn't the same old Napa Town And Country Fair. "

NValleyGirl wrote on Mar 6, 2008 1:24 PM:

" Really, all of these comments about a Fair theme?

Again, for all of you staying home, great. There will not be any closed-mindedness to get in the way of our having a great time!

It is a fair. Why don't you put your efforts/comments into something worthwhile maybe we could get more things accomplished in this community.

This uproar is BEYOND ridiculous, and to those "Napans" writing in with xenophobic comments, you should really be ashamed of yourselves. "

JustMy$.02 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 3:13 PM:

" The county fair is a time for Americans to get togther and enjoy American culture. It is a mistake in judgment by the fair commity to choose such a divisive theme. Look up and down our local news, there are lots of real issues concerning ILLEGAL immigrants. Add the fact we are in a highly political election year (electing a new president) and you have to wonder why they would choose such a theme.
Id also like to address the supposed xenophobic attitude as well. Those of us that are mad (some even outraged) are not xenophobic at all. This country is supposed to be a melting pot, that is melted together as one. A great American once said "united we stand, divided we fall" (I wont cite who quoted that, Americans already know who). The immigrants that made this country great did it by following our laws/regulations, being legally employed and paying taxes, learning our language and history, not asking for handouts (remember welfare and a vast majority of social programs did not exist prior to the great depression), etc. Basically the worked thier arses off to become AMERICAN, because it was a much better place than where they came from.
Can the same be said for todays immigrants? Some yes, and kudos to them. But the reality is there is a huge portion of ILLEGAL immigrants that dont care about our laws, dont care to learn our language, dont pay taxes, dont care about learning our history, and certainly stand in lines waiting for thier 'hand outs'. It is not xenophobic to expect someone who wants to come to this country to become "ONE" with the melting pot.
"

napaca98 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 6:32 PM:

" CONGRATZ TO MAGAFEZ!!!!
I am in the process of becoming a U.S citizen, I agree with you 100% "

steph wrote on Mar 6, 2008 6:51 PM:

" I agree that illegal immigration is a problem for our country. But I don't suppose that all Hispanics in the US are here illegally or are a problem. I don't feel discriminated against at fiestas--I feel...festive. You can choose to stand there with your arms folded across your chest and a frown on your face, or you can choose to celebrate when a celebration is called for, like you would for Columbus Day, or St. Patrick's Day, or even Chinese New Year (Gung Hay Fat Choy!) You can be dour and negative, or you can go out there and get to know people and learn from them and let them see your kindness and wonderment shine through. It's your choice. You don't have to excuse bad behavior from anyone, but you don't have to assume the worst about people, either. When you're at Chevy's or Red Hen, do you scream about being discriminated against, and demand they stop playing Salsa dance music, and start serving American food, since, after all, this is America, do you decry the margaritas and the tamales, or do you celebrate a little culture? If you don't lighten up a little bit, you're in bad shape. Smile and see if you can put a smile on someone else's face--be gracious and polite and open your hearts, people. I know Napans are better than this. "

kdbk wrote on Mar 6, 2008 7:01 PM:

" The carelessness of those who so frivilously toss around terms like "xenophobia", "racist", "fearful", "intolerant" etc. is so sad to see. How lazy and irresponsible to use such words against people around here who have shown no such beliefs or attitudes.
I mean really, what with all the various people from different racial/ethnic backgrounds writing in to say they oppose the fair theme, you'd think folks would be a little more sensible.
But, alas, for supporters of the blatantly disrespectful fair theme, being sensible is not their objective. Nor is it to be fair. They let emotion rule their thoughts and simply can't "tolerate" any opinion other than their own.
In closing, we must all REMEMBER that adopting the "themes", attitudes and value-systems of those from the third- world will only serve to bring us closer to it ourselves.
"

109823 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 7:35 PM:

" Back and Forth we go, if I may print the truth of the whole matter. The real problem isn't in the Fair Theme, it's just that the Fair Theme is the last straw. We have really had it with the whole (Hispanic, Latino, Mexican) scenario. From the neighborhoods, schools, stores (Home Depot Parking Lot) to the local gov't (County) offices. We as Napans are fed up with what is going on and we have been able to express our frustrations thru this blog. If it upsets some of you I'm sorry but this is America not Mexico. "

tasano wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:04 PM:

" Too bad people can't seem to get this fired up over the proposed cuts to education. If this energy could be funneled in that direction, our educational system would be much better off. Sigh.... "

Sandra wrote on Mar 7, 2008 7:35 AM:

" Steph, Nothing wrong with a fiesta.....what is wrong is the fair theme being fiesta....this is exclusive to a large portion of Napa and is set up to cater to a specific group. A Fiesta DAY at the fair would be fun, a fiesta week excludes too many of our citizens. It is a legitimate issue, and also reeks of dicrimination by our fair board towards all the other cultures in Napa. This IS the first theme, as long as I can remember that is culture specific. It is just exclusive and plain wrong. As I said before, if Napa wants to celebrate different cultures, then do a world culture theme. "

justwondering... wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:34 AM:

" Hmmm... im just wondering how long it will take before the fair board changes their mind. Its ashame that this has turned into such a hateful conversation.. so much hate and finger pointing in Napa. I always kinda wondered how many people in Napa really disliked the hispanics and here I see it all. Its not about the theme its about the people and their color isn't it?...what ashame.. you know, God created us all the same , only in different colors and who live in different parts of this earth that He also created. This world doesnt belong to just any one race it belongs to God. "

winemd wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:38 AM:

" kdbk: Looking back over the posts it would seem that emotions are pretty strong for those who are opposed to the fair theme as well. I am not emotional about a theme for the fair, I just don't find it objectionable. And I certainly believe that others have the right not to like it - I didn't really like the last fair theme, for instance.

I agree with Steph - illegal immigration is a huge problem. But I don't believe that has anything to do with a fiesta (which is not just Mexican), or that having a fiesta will turn us into a third world country, or even bring us closer to that. Hispanic cultures (not just Mexico) have many wonderful traditions that are fun to learn about. American culture has many great traditions also - Fourth of July, and Thanksgiving are two that are relatively unique to us, plus Presidents' Day, Memorial Day, Labor Day, etc. And we have other traditions that we have adopted from other cultures: St. Patrick's Day, Halloween.

Perhaps the timing is unfortunate for this theme, but I think that if we put our minds to it, we can have have fun and even learn something. "

misfit wrote on Mar 7, 2008 9:30 AM:

" RIGHT ON TASANO! "

NValleyGirl wrote on Mar 7, 2008 9:56 AM:

" To kdbk: You are really going to equate a theme for a fair to adopting an attitude of a third world country? Isn't that quite a far reach? Napa is in no danger of becoming "third world" any time, those kinds of phobic comments only add to the hysteria and narrow- mindedness and are not constructive at all!

People are using this theme to spout their commentary on illegal immigration. In case you missed the xenophobic attitude, feel free to peruse the comments below again.

Again, IT IS FIVE DAYS, geez! People act like you are required to speak Spanish and denouce America the minute you walk inside the gates.

The fair is not excluding anyone, except for those who voluntarily do not wish to participate. It is going to be the same fair, with some decorations from Mexico. Get over it!

If you are opposed to illegal immigration then maybe you should pick a more appropriate forum to express your distaste. Like ballot measures, or legislation, but a fair theme?

"

Pharper wrote on Mar 7, 2008 11:24 AM:

" So, uhm... I’m kind of seeing a theme here. The national language is…. None. The U.S.A. does not have a national language—there is no official language. I’d also like to note that, if you were to travel to any of the Latin-American countries, they would be extremely offended if you referred to yourself as American—they too are Americans, as evidenced by the name of the continent that they live on. So, now that we have that out of the way… what is everyone’s problem? It’s a fair. It says in the article, very specifically, that the theme and the fair itself are to be all-inclusive and multicultural. Nowhere does it say that anything American will be tossed out. Just get over it. If you plan on boycotting the fair, great. The rest of us, who actually enjoy having people of other cultures around, don’t want you there anyway. I hope you also plan on boycotting St. Patrick’s Day and Chinese New Year. Otherwise, it’s just downright racism to boycott the Napa Fair for only including one racial group (which it specifically said it wouldn’t). Oh, and here’s an interesting fact: for those of you who complain about illegal immigrants taking advantage of government programs, etc. (because this comment board seems to have turned into a bunch of people raging about immigrants, not about whether or not a Mexican-themed fair is a good idea), consider this: 80% of people on welfare are Caucasian. The other 20% represents ALL other ethnic minorities. So. Now who’s mooching off the government? "

NVR Moderator wrote on Mar 7, 2008 12:23 PM:

" Although we have tried to provide an open forum for this story, it is discouraging to be in the position to have deleted more comments than were posted, due to outright hate speech in many of the deleted posts.
The topic of the story is the Fair's theme, nothing at all about illegal immigration, and the Fair's theme has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
Please comment on the topic of the article, or understand your comments are being deleted for not being on the topic.
Our other option is to disable to story comments feature on this article.
Remember, these are moderated forums with clear guidelines that we hope everyone can follow so community debates can take place ... without hate speech or personal attacks being what ends up taking place. "

Bianca wrote on Mar 7, 2008 1:13 PM:

" Thank You Pharper!!! =]
"

NValleyGirl wrote on Mar 7, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Pharper,

You are a breath of fresh air!!!!

"

Paisano wrote on Mar 7, 2008 1:53 PM:

" I will see you at the fair Pharper. I will be the proud American citizen who will be eating tamales while listening to mariachis play music. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 7, 2008 3:03 PM:

" Pharper; While I think your intentions are good, your information is seriously tainted. While it is true that 80% of Welfare recipients are caucasion that is NATIONWIDE statistic and not accuratly reflect the states of CA or AZ who carry most of the burden of illegal immigrants. Also I have already addressed the issue of term "american" below with proven, verifiale credibility.

But you're right this is about the fair. I think it is frustrating (for ANY culture) to have a community event that is supposed to be for all members of the community suddenly focused entirely one one specific culture to the extent that it diminishes the ability for all cultures to enjoy the fair collectively. An event that is meant to bring the people of the county together is now pushing people further apart. For this reason Joe was wrong to choose this theme. I think it is a marketing ploy meant to bring droves of people to the fair that may have not felt comfortable there before. The problem with that is 2 things,

1. It implies that the fair wasn't initially welcoming of the newly "invited" culure, which is unture.

2. It shows that profit matters to the people in charge of the fair more than the duty that they have to be culturally sensitive and to avoid exploiting one culture for monetary gain. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 7, 2008 3:38 PM:

" A fair with this theme is as equally exploitative as a “ladies night with a wet t-shirt contest”! All cultures should be offended. "

NValleyGirl wrote on Mar 7, 2008 5:36 PM:

" To opinagirl: Comparing a "fiesta" them to a derogatory, exploitative, "wet t-shirt" contest". Is so off mark it is ridiculous. Wet t-shirt contest are demeaning. Please tell me how a fiesta is demeaning.

I don't even begin to see where you could draw a parallel.

Oh, and to your response to being called "americans" you cut and pasted a source from some website on why "americans" are called "americans" and why this country was named The United States of America you did nothing to disprove why we are the only ones who can be exclusively referred to as Americans. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 7, 2008 7:21 PM:

" NValleygirl:

The parallel is this:

It is exploitative for the city to use this one culture to boost their bottom line at the expense of the community as a whole. They are throwing out this theme like bait to draw in a specific population for the sole reason of increasing revenue, despite the fact it is a culturally sensitive issue. It is irresponsible to say the least.

Just like bars throw out free drinks and wet T-shirt contests to women to draw in a specific group of people and increase profit margins.

Both examples are equally exploitative, though obviously not identical.

That in definition is Exploitation.

The website I copy and pasted from, regarding "American" as a term particular to the United States, is from Wikopedia, so I guess maybe you think their research is faulty....! I'm not going to argue semantics about this term anymore, it really isn’t that relevant to the topic.
"

rdh1993 wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:20 PM:

" well i dis like the fair theme a ton and will not supoort it becuase this is america not mexico and i do 4-h and we must decorate the pen on the fairs theme well ill tell you this much my pen will be ALL RED WHITE AND BLUE

we should not support another culture in america other the its own. "

Rocco wrote on Mar 7, 2008 9:12 PM:

" For those of you that would harshly judge those that express negative reactions to having Fiesta de Napa as our fair's theme this summer, please remember that this is not happening in some isolated vacuum of cultural space and time. Let's be honest here. Remember reading the classic tale of Goldilocks and the Three Bears? Well, it's being played out before our eyes...right here in Napa Valley, as across the entire country. Pappa and Mamma Bear were lousy parents, left the door unlocked, practically invited Goldilocks in...and now the entire Bear Family is dealing with this new "guest." First the porridge, THEN the chairs, THEN the beds... The reaction to this story of Fiesta de Napa IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE FAIR. Just go back and read a few weeks worth of headlines here in Napa. All political correctness aside; I think the Bears are growing a little weary. (P.S. When you first heard of Goldilocks and The Bears...whose side were YOU on?) "

mypoint wrote on Mar 7, 2008 9:19 PM:

" For all of you that are posting blogs stating that "its just a fair theme, get over it", I'm sorry if you are that naive to believe that that is what everyone is frustrated about. It's just pouring salt in the wound....If it was just about a fair theme, I doubt anybody would really care. People are fed up....and this is one avenue for people to vent their frustrations. "

misfit wrote on Mar 7, 2008 10:14 PM:

" My head is starting to hurt... "

jointheranks wrote on Mar 7, 2008 10:15 PM:

" Read all the gripes and goodness me's ..
The basic point is .. The "Theme" is not in place to attrack all community members .. as the article says - they want the latino population. This is the fair boards solution to low attendance. THEY FORGOT HISTORY!
One Dorthy Lind started the quest for Mexicans and cost the fair it's attendance, and it's never recovered. So the foolish fair board goes down the same path... beat the horse dead.
I will not be attending - but truely the last time I did, I regretted it anyway. "

napan22 wrote on Mar 7, 2008 11:23 PM:

" ARE YOU NAPANS BEING SERIOUS?!!

FIRST THE THE RACIAL COMMENTS, NOW THE "WET T-SHIRT" CONTEST??!! WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!! WILL IT END WITH US FIGHTING ABOUT WHAT TACO BELL SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT NAME THEIR NEXT BURRITO!!?? OH, NO!!! I THINK I JUST OPENED A CAN OF WORMS!!
I SIT HERE AND WONDER IF THE CITIZENS OF NAPA ARE REALLY THIS NAIVE. WELL, IF I HAD ANY DOUBT LEFT-GUESS WHAT? I DON'T ANYMORE!!
TO NVR MODERATOR,
PLEASE DO THE NAPA VALLEY REGISTER AND THE NOT NAIVE PEOPLE IN NAPA A HUGE FAVOR AND DISABLE THE GREAT PRIVILEGE WE HAVE TO POST COMMENTS, BEFORE IT GETS LEAKED TO THE MEDIA OR PEOPLE FROM OTHER SURROUNDING TOWNS! HOW EMBERASSING DON'T YOU THINK??!! HEY MAYBE NEXT YEAR THE THEME COULD BE HONORING SOILDERS, I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE THRILLED.I SURE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ATTEND JUST LIKE I'M HAPPY TO ATTEND THE ONE FOR THIS YEAR! I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHAT SO EVER WITH THE THEME THIS YEAR, IN FACT I CAN'T WAIT TO GO AND LISTEN TO SOME GOOD MUSIC WHILE HAVING TAMALES! MMM GOOD!
OH WELL, IF NVR MODERATOR CHOOSES NOT TO CLOSE IT DOWN; I WONDER WHAT LOUSY,NAIVE,IGNORANT, NAPANS WILL BRING ON. WAIT, DID I MENTION IGNORANT, NAIVE AND LOUSY. JUST IN CASE I DIDN'T THERE IT IS AGAIN!! "

Skip M. wrote on Mar 8, 2008 4:39 AM:

" It is always interesting to me how certain ethnic themes can be celebrated and promoted, while one particular ethic group dare not be celebrate for it’s heritage for fear of being labeled racist. I’ll let the reader piece together what I am referring to. I stopped going to fairs a long time ago because they seem to have degraded to nothing more than annual venues for gang fights and other larceny. My children, one of which is now a teenager, have never been to a fair. Its sad too. The Town and Country Fair (I refuse to call it “Expo”) used to be a place where local agriculture and crafts people could showcase their products. My mother once sat on the Board of Directors, I had family who ran concessions in the food court every year from the 1940s through about the early 1990s. From about 1980 on, the fair seemed to steadily degrade with more fights and less family friendly activities. "

Sandra wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Now, here I was told the word ignorant was strictly forbidden when used to address people's opinions, and the NVR monitor allows it. Is it because this time you happen to agree with the opinion???? Lousy too....Really...haven't a nit on me anywhere...and am far from naive. I get that this is all about revenue at the expense of being inclusive to all of napa's various cultures. I like tamales as much as anyone. Taco Bell is not our only choice in restaurants, while Napa expo is our only fair. Mamma Bear would love to see all cultures catered to, not just one. Have a fiesta DAY at the fair, and give the rest of napa some kudos too.....Soldiers come in all colors, and cultures. The military is one of the few places in our country that is truly color blind, and awards merit, not race. That is why that would be a GREAT theme, while the current one illustrates just the opposite. Now please don't accuse me of nit picking...I would just be too darned offended.... "

Tim wrote on Mar 8, 2008 1:50 PM:

" KdbK....I agree with you.

The NVR should NEVER allow anyone to call another a 'racist' on this blog, because it breaks their 'comment guidlines' that state: "refrain from personal attacks and degrading comments".

Listen to what Stanford law Professor Richard Thompson Ford said in his book 'The Race Card': "You want to pick a fight? Call someone a racist. Few labels hit so hard or bring up so many deep feelings. It's a dark stain on someone's character".

He argues that when people talk about race relations, they too quickly try to ferret out racism without looking at the larger issues. In doing so, they leave open the possibility that opportunists will unfairly paint someone as a racist to further their political ends, while de-legitimizing some very real problems.

And yet time and again the word racist is allowed when people bring to light very real problems....I find it mind boggling that Napan22's comments were allowed. "

glenroy wrote on Mar 8, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Well after taking an hour to read all these posts I think it’s safe to say the Expo Board might want to reconsider the theme. Some of us have attended this event for 40 to 50 years now and to those who have it is more than a little obvious that the fair itself has essentially split into semi segregated sectors, particularly when the sun goes down and the beer sales start to kick in. Those who express concerns related the declining family atmosphere have a valid concern as the last 15 years or so the fair seems to have taken on an entirely inhospitable turn for the worse.




"

Napanee wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:01 PM:

" Does typing in all capitals mean your yelling? "

winemd wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:52 PM:

" glenroy-"Those who express concerns related the declining family atmosphere have a valid concern as the last 15 years or so the fair seems to have taken on an entirely inhospitable turn for the worse"

I have not attended the fair for nearly as long as you have, but I agree with the gist of this statement. I just don't see what this fact has to do with having a "fiesta" theme. I don't attribute this to the increase in the Hispanic population, as most of the Hispanic people I know are really nice people. I think the fair board needs to promote family attendance also.
"

kdbk wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:26 PM:

" To think of what many people from south of the border go through to get to America. Then the struggles many of them endure to work their way in to our society. And then to think that once they settle here, how many of them want to celebrate the "culture" they so loathed and couldn't wait to get out of. That's really strange.

Celebrating the traditions ("Fiesta"...de Napa) of an impoverished nation with incompetent, corrupt leadership seems a sad statement indeed. Even the whole Cinco de Mayo thing is enough to make one ask: what is the point of celebrating the birthday of a country hardly anyone really wants to live in? I'm just asking. Is there a logical, comprehensible answer?

Dear editor: this has nothing to do with race. It is about economic, political, technological and social aspects of different countries and how some thrive over others because their systems function better. Adopting the ways and traditions of failed societies just doesn't seem like a very good idea. "

mypoint wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:29 PM:

" I'm seriously offended that Napan22's comments get through the moderator when half of mine don't and I'm not blatantly criticizing others because they share a different viewpoint from mine....how fair is that? I think there are a lot of intelligent people posting very valid points, just because they don't align with your thoughts, doesn't mean people are ignorant. "

Paddy wrote on Mar 9, 2008 11:25 AM:

" It's unfortunate that Napan's with an IQ of 22 seem to be able to scream, rant and rave in caps while those of us attempting to give opinions, however politically incorrect they may be, are unable to do so without being individually slammed for our opinions. Open discussion, agreement and disagreement are healthy but one dolt's attack on the majority of us bloggers is just offensive. "

PastNapan wrote on Mar 9, 2008 1:59 PM:

" In regards to comments making it through, I read California newspapers online as well as others across the country and as far as posts go I've never seen such censorship as I have in the Napa Valley Register. So I would like to ask the moderator what gives? I've had very tame comments not posted while the ranting and ravings of those accusing the rest of us as being RACIST always make the cut. "

napadad wrote on Mar 9, 2008 3:33 PM:

" I dont remember as many posts on any topic yet! That my fellow napans feel stronger about a theme for the fair than many of the really important (in my small world) stuff going on in napa scares me. Im always ready for a fiesta or a siesta for that matter. I just hope I can still get a churro! Im surprised no one brought up last years beach blanket baa baa lon theme being sheep an all ... "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 9, 2008 6:11 PM:

" Is it possible for the County to search for a new sponsor? "

JoePaniagua wrote on Mar 9, 2008 7:47 PM:

" Dear NVRModerator,
I have voiced the issue of the ugliness of anonymous blogging before. To your credit you have tried to tame the beast. But it appears that you are caught between a rock and a hard place. You want the internet hits on your site because of advertising revenue. Yet you don’t like all the invective from both sides of the isle. It is the responsibility of journalism to name their sources unless there is some compelling reason not to do so…as in the possibility of physical harm. So I again plead with you to require that any comments on your site be accompanied by “real names”. If someone is going to cast nasty rhetoric into cyberspace on a news site they should identify themselves. Otherwise the very credibility of your business is called into question. I offer another opinion from a professional journalist who understands that freedom of speech is not absolute:

“…anonymity corrodes the conventions of civil discourse, giving vent to impulses that, for society’s sake, are perhaps best held in check. Viciously personal attacks, racist screeds and paranoid rants are commonplace on the anonymous internet…such atavistic displays… contribute nothing to debate on matters of public interest. If you’ve ever been on the receiving end of this invective, you know that it is impossible to reason with people who are screaming at you from behind a one-way mirror. The volume of their screaming only goes up…” Peter Scheer,Executive Director,
California First Amendment Coalition (CFAC)

If this reduces the number of comments on any topic so be it. We owe it to this community to be civil in discourse. If you can’t deal with this then go find a chat room!
"

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 9, 2008 11:03 PM:

" JoePaniagua:

Don't count on it! People don't need to reveal their identity or "back up" anything to be heard, what do you plan to do with that information? Physically confront those "nasty" people whom you disagree with?

Anonymity protects people from the sicko, psycho weirdo’s that may hunt them down to confront their “nastiness”. We discuss very private things…our homes, our political beliefs, our children, our feelings, our experiences. Anonymity offers an environment to be TOTALLY HONEST and agree or disagree without fear of retribution from the dangerous people in our community. The register knows who we are and can confront us or report us to the authorities if he so chooses.

If the idea is suppress the voice of the public, than you make a good point.
"

Concerned Citizen wrote on Mar 10, 2008 9:35 AM:

" To NVR moderator and others: I think the frustration and feelings of "not being heard" are what bring posters here to such heated debate. To have a legitimate concern, be it monetary (taxpayers), environmental (crowding, 'too many people, 'green' concerns) or social (many and varied differences which do not bridge a gap but widen it in ways obvious and not so obvious), and to have that concern shoved aside as if it has no basis in fact, is very frustrating. Frustrations lead to anger and the beat goes on.

It is obvious that the large and rapid increase of people into Napa is alarming. That there seems to be a certain segment of that population who enters this area illegally is disconcerting, in the least. That this represents the disentegration of our system of laws and our very social fabric is true.

We must all adhere, to a greater or lesser extent, to the ties which bind us together; and these consist of laws, a basic understanding of what is expected of individuals in this society, responsibility and honest, forthright behaviors. These behaviors include obeying the laws.

When a large segment of a newly incoming portion of Napa is, quite evidently, doing so by breaking the law, those who speak out against it are correct in doing so. To label these people w/terms such as xenophobic, natavist, racist, etc., is merely an attempt to quash their voice rather than deal with the issue.

This has always been a tactic used by those well versed in ways in which to silence opponents. This is not news; but it should not be supported by this paper or any other source which offers itself as a forum for public opinion. "

Paisano wrote on Mar 10, 2008 9:38 AM:

" kdbk: Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's Independence day. If you went to this year's Fiesta De Napa you may actually learn a thing or two about Mexican holidays. "

JimClark wrote on Mar 10, 2008 12:55 PM:

" Napa is a truly multicultural community. Those of us who grew up here since 1950 when we started Kindergarten classrooms occupied by children of Latin, German, Italian Celtic, British and other descents. Two of my fellow students immediate Italian descent and became legal citizen shortly afterward.
This controversy should not have come into existence because one individual wanting to “feel” good. Yes, it is discriminatory as it is a momentary politically correct issue that many of us find abhorrent and insulting to all the nationalities that have chosen to live in Napa; and clearly seem insulted at how the Town and Country Fair has decided to recognize one culture over others. It is clear the Latino Napa natives are as opposed to this clumsy effort to “bring us all together” when they created conditions that have caused a separation.

The gangs in Napa are not a reflection on the people who settled these lands that gave us our valley as it once was until certain mentalities with “good” intentions attempted to do what had already been done. We live together, work together, and go to church and school together without prejudice. At least until politics entered the culture. Gangs are a disease resulting from the feel good mentality.
I propose a County wide boycott of the Town & Country Fair this year unless or until the theme is altered to celebrate Napa’s history as a Valley that once thrived on its evolutionary multicultural present. We really don’t need to have some negative assault on our well deserved history. Um, God bless us, EVERYONE. "

lousy naive ignorant napan wrote on Mar 10, 2008 5:11 PM:

" Time will tell if this year’s theme is a good marketing tool. I don’t believe that it is. I truly hope that people won’t go. I understand the point of those who say that it is “just a theme”, but in this case I believe that the theme alienated a huge portion of the population. By not going, people can make a statement about what we want from our fair. The only way that those in charge will listen will be when the fair loses money.

On the other hand, if this year’s fair sets attendance records this year, then Joe did his job well. I just wonder about the short and long term ramifications of such a theme. "

kdbk wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:14 PM:

" Thanks ever-so-much paisano, for correcting me, telling me that "Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's independence day". Sad that you didn't inform me of what the 5th of May is actually recognized for in Mexican culture. Didn't you think that would be helpful? Just imagine how that would have added to my knowledge-base and overall level of cultural awareness.
And regarding going to the Fiesta de Napa to "learn a thing or two about Mexican holidays", gee, yeah, that sounds so incredibly wonderful. But, I'll have to pass on that glorious opportunity.
Lastly, if there's so much to gain from familiarizing one's self with Mexican culture, why is the country itself such a pathetic disaster? "

steph wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:37 PM:

" Check out the headline news story at the bottom of today's St.Helena Star: Rotary's Winter Ball grosses $676,000. What was the theme of that ball? Looks like everyone had a lot of fun! Good for them! BTW, Opiniagirl, right on regarding the anonymity issue! I couldn't have said it better myself. (Even though we disagree on this topic, we've managed to keep it civil, all while retaining our right to anonymity.) "

Paisano wrote on Mar 11, 2008 8:47 AM:

" kdbk: Since you won't be attending this year's fiesta (and trust me, you won't be missed), I'll tell you. Cinco de Mayo is celebrated because the Mexican army defeated the French in the battle of Puebla on that date. Now you call Mexico a pathetic country. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Now tell me something kdbk, have you ever celebrated Cinco de Mayo? Have you ever eaten enchiladas, tacos, burritos, or tamales? Have you ever drunk a Corona or put lime on your beer? If you have, why would you celebrate a holiday or eat and drink the food of a pathetic country. In my opinion, Mexico is as pathetic as your comment about Mexico. BTW, I will see you all at Down Town Joe's on St. Patrick’s Day. "

Paisano wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:00 AM:

" kdbk: I will see you at Comprades on Cinco De Mayo. "

Redredwine wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:56 AM:

" I can’t wait to take my children to the fair this year, it will be a great opportunity for them to learn about another culture, and I think they will enjoy it as well! It should be fun! Everyone needs to stop being so nasty, and if you want to go, go! And if you don't then don't, and go support a fair at another town. And stop the whining... >8o/ "

lousy naive ignorant napan wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Paisano:
I think you are bringing up a point that hasn't been addressed fully.
I love Mexican food. I would eat it every day if I could get my wife to agree to it. And trust me; I have put back a few Coronas/Pacificos/Tecates in my day...
You (as well as others) think that it is hypocritical to boycott the fair due to its theme if we enjoy Mexican food, etc. I don't believe that this is the case. I'm not suggesting that people shouldn’t support anyone or anything that came from Mexico. I just don’t believe that it is appropriate to have the town and country fair to cater to one ethnicity. Do I expect to see a Mexican flag displayed at a Mexican restaurant? Of course! Do I want to see it at the fair? Not so much… Same goes for Latin music.
I agree with others who have no problem with a Latin themed night at the fair. That might even promote going to the fair 2 nights instead of my normal 1. But I do not believe that the fair should have this theme for all nights. As I mentioned below, the best way to express this is by not attending at all. "

lunareyeschick wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:29 PM:

" I moved out of the Napa Valley about 6 months ago. Both my mother's and father's families have been in the valley for many generations. I was raised throughout the valley, educated in Napa, and lived there as an adult for over 10 years.

Latinos are nothing new to Napa County. And I went to school with other Latinos, with Portuguese, with Italians, with those of Irish & English descent. With Australians and Indians and Native Americans. And we've always celebrated every culture, for that is the fabric of this dream called America. I've celebrated with green beer and Irish drinking songs for St. Patricks Day; I've sung old English Christmas Carols; I've eaten traditional Porteguese foods at Easter. Since when is it un-American to celebrate our differences and diversity? Is this backlash against Latinos in the valley new? No. Those of us who have been here as long as other "Native" Napans know that this sentiment has always lurked in the background, marring our educational and life experiences. Maybe this outlandish reaction to the proposed fair theme was a good thing. Maybe in it's ridiculousness, it will get us all talking. Once all of the name calling and hatred gets out of the way.

Chill out Napa, have a glass of wine (the grapes for which have probably passed through the hands of some of the people I know and love), and realize that like it or not the world is changing. And hey, this may be news to you, but California was once Mexico... and once upon a time Spanish people ruled over this land. And a fiesta is nothing more than a good old fashioned party. Nothing new to California, either. ;) Why not enjoy it? We will be.
"

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:39 PM:

" Steph;

Thanks, I always look for your posts! I sometimes agree with you, but even if I don't, I always learn somthing form you when we do disagree! I can't help but be scared of people who take things too far! "

Paisano wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:23 PM:

" lousy naive ignorant napan: You make a valid argument and I respect your point of view. I do not agree with it but I respect it. "

5th generation Napan wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:51 PM:

" The point is this is a money making tactic for the fair. The sad part is when you celebrate one group over another everyone gets upset. I'm a white American, which means I am exactly one quarter Italian, German, Irish, and yes Spanish (actually a californian before there was a California!). But those are national "origins" not "nationality"! I am an American. I do believe the Theme of the Fair should be "EARLY NAPA!" That way the original groups of Irish, Italian, Spanish, Mexican, Russian, German, Chineese, and Indians (Opps, sorry we did them in before we became Napa) could all share together what we built. A wounderful town that had been at each others throats for 150 years. Just think if we could build our society as well as our buildings! "

cpslowine wrote on Mar 12, 2008 5:06 PM:

" I am not going to the fair this year either. My neighborhood already celebrates "Fiesta de Napa" including music and food vendors on a daily basis. I love listening Mexican music at 8 am on a Sunday. "

lillatin wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Maybe next year we should consider not even mentioning the theme. Too many opinions are boring. "

opiniagirl wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:09 PM:

" Why is this offensive??? We can go back and forth about illegal immigration, but the reason that the theme is offensive to me actually places me in an advocate position of immigrants (illegal or otherwise).

Picture a group of people sitting around a table. The discussion is…How to make the Napa County Fair more money and boost attendance. They decide that the solution of this problem is to “go after” (the previously untapped) population of Mexicans in Napa. Then they decide that the best way to appeal to this culture is to advertise a “fiesta”. How insulting is that. If we advertise a party then the Mexicans will come! To assume that the only way to appeal to any culture is to entice them with “a big party” is insulting the intelligence and dignity of that culture. Let me ask you this. If the theme was “Party in Napa” everyone would say…”huh…seems silly to me”.

But you boys put it in Spanish and hire a few “Latin” Entertainers, yeah that’ll fool them Mexicans into thinking the fair is all about them and that they will be attending a “real” Mexican Fiesta. Then maybe they’ll finally come to the fair and spend some money so you can all get a bigger slice of the corporate pie, who cares what the community ramifications will be, right?!?

This whole thing is “exploitative” and reeks of insensitivity. The fair is a family event, not a big “party”. This is a total misrepresentation of what ALL THE PEOPLE of Napa want for their County Fair.
"

Just Fred wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:23 PM:

" BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!! Let's all get our torches and sticks, meet down at the Third Street bridge and deal with this! WOW! If we could harness the passionate tension on this blog and focus it toward solving actually important problems in this county, how cool would that be? This is just another silly NON-ISSUE. If you choose not to attend the fair, WHATEVER! Who cares, other than those concerned with the bottom line. Personally, if I decide not to go this year, it will be for the same reason I stopped going to the Chef's Market, because to me, most of Napa Valley's event offerings are BORING! Unless there's a band, singer or comedian I want to see appearing, the only other reason I's go is for the carnival. Oh well, I guess I could stay home be bored and save alot of money . . . NOT! I guess what's coolest to me about living in undeniably beautiful Napa Valley, is that it's relatively close to so many interesting and entertaining places where one can go and get away from the pathetically petty politics people in this county choose to partake in. Oh, and if you are someone who has posted on this blog more than twice, you really need to get out more, OR SOMETHING!!! SEE YA, WWTBY! "

innapaand21 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:58 AM:

" here's my question.... dont you people have jobs, hobbies, families? guess what NOONE is holding a gun to your head saying YOU HAVE TO go to the fair. if you dont like the theme... dont go..... if you think its cool..... go. stop wasting your time making angry coments and GET OUT OF YOUR HOME and experiance NAPA. "

DavB wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:45 PM:

" Reading these comments makes me wonder whether the authors have attended any Fair event in recent years. I've attended several and noted that, unlike most local events that cater mainly to retirees or folks of higher-income, the fair attracts youths and many families, particularly Hispanics. Most fair-goers seem to have a great time. Interestingly, the lack of these types of opportunities is a common theme to complaints posted by many on this site. I find very few legitimate reasons, in the plethora of comments here, for opposing the theme. Those of us who've attended the fair of late, and don't automatically begrudge the Hispanic community, will probably attend again this year. And I'll bet even more members of the rapidly growing hispanic community in our county will find a reason to do the same. I'd like to encourage those who haven't attended the Fair recently to stop by this year, just for the experience. There' s no doubt that a portion of the community will stay home and grouse about the changing ethnicity of our town. I'll be checking out the Fair, white guy that I am, with my half-hispanic, half Irish, adopted son. Happy Saint Patrick's Day! "

Skip M. wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:23 PM:

" Mexico defeated the French? Now there’s an accomplishment. I think the most used command in the French military is “We Surrender!” "

Napan since 1965 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:26 PM:

" Does anyone happen to know if the Fair Board is reconsidering the theme??? "

common sense wrote on Mar 29, 2008 8:24 PM:

" It is unfair to elevate one group above another, period. We can pay our respects to Mexico on Cinco de Mayo, just like we pay respect to the Irish on St. Patty's Day and the Chinese on Chinese New Year's. We should celebrate "Napa" in its entirety at our local fair, the ONLY community event of this duration and magnitude. "

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