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Tuesday, February 26, 2008
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At a time when high police and fire salaries in Vallejo have that city flirting with bankruptcy, Napa is bestowing 11 percent wage increases on its firefighters.

Firefighters will get raises of up to $10,000 per year, retroactive to July 1. The Napa City Council approved the agreement last week.
A new firefighter now earns $74,460, while a veteran brings in $93,564. A veteran firefighter/paramedic will receive $102,924.

The city is living up to its contract to pay firefighters the average of nine other Bay Area cities, said Assistant City Manager Nancy Weiss. “It’s what they were entitled to under the contract,” she said.
Josh Pero, president of the Napa City Firefighters Association, said the increase was as big as it was because his membership had not taken the raises they were due the past two years.

“We went two years without taking what we should have gotten,” Pero said. “The past two budget cycles the Napa City Firefighters Association has come to the table and helped the city with their budget problems.”
Because the city was facing hard times, his membership voted to cap its 2005 increase at 2 percent and its 2003 increase at 3 percent, Pero said.

Firefighters are now playing catch-up. The 11 percent raise brings Napa firefighters up to the average of nine comparable cities, including Vacaville, Santa Rosa, Fairfield, Hayward, Petaluma and Vallejo, Weiss said.

“A couple of agencies in our survey group had significant increases,” Weiss said. “Vallejo was one of those.”

Vallejo is in a financial crisis, with the Vallejo City Council announcing last week that it might have to file for bankruptcy to get out of its mountain of financial obligations to employees.

According to Vallejo officials, police and fire wages and benefits are eating up 80 percent of general fund revenues. The city could run of money in April. In addition, it has $135 million in unfunded retirement liability for current and retired employees.

City Manager Mike Parness said Napa’s financial picture is a far cry from Vallejo’s. Napa’s revenues are growing, not shrinking, and Napa’s contracts with police and fire are less generous, consuming less than 60 percent of the general fund, he said.

Napa has caps on retirement medical benefits that Vallejo does not have. Also, Napa’s police and fire contribute more money to the state-run retirement system, he said.

Like Vallejo, Napa firefighters contribute 9 percent of their pay to the Public Employees Retirement System, but they also pay another 2 percent, officials said.

Because of this extra 2 percent, Napa firefighters actually earn 2 percent less than the regional average, Pero said.

Vallejo’s situation is an extreme case of the financial strains that most California cities are facing, Parness said. Cities have lost control of their public safety retirement costs, he said. The state allows public safety employees to retire at age 50 with 3 percent pay for every year worked, he said.

A city that does not offer this benefit risks becoming unable to recruit and retain the best employees, Weiss said. “It’s really a statewide issue,” she said.

Napa needs to strike a balance between the needs of employees and the needs of residents for quality city services, Parness said. There are many areas where service levels could be improved if the city had the money, he said.

Solano County cities are generally in worse financial shape than Napa these days, Parness said. They depended more on housing development for revenues and have been hurt by the building downturn, he said.

In a report to council last week, Napa’s Finance Director Carole Wilson said city revenues from the hotel tax and interest on investments were running ahead of expectations.

Napa’s seven-year contract with firefighters expires June 30. Negotiations on a new contract are scheduled to begin next month.

Wages and benefits for Napa’s public safety employees consume nearly 60 percent of the city’s general fund, Parness said. This is close to the California average, he said.

Parness would prefer that Napa have flexibility as to whether it pays the average of surrounding cities. Survey information is helpful, but should it dictate what the city must pay? he asked.

Pero declined to comment on the upcoming negotiations or Vallejo’s situation. “I can’t tell you what our strategy and tactics will be,” he said. Negotiations are best done in private, he said.
39 comment(s)

musikluvr wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:04 AM:

" A new firefighter makes $74,460 and it goes up to $102,924 and also gets retirement and medical benefits and and can retire at age 50? Who are these people, the new kings and queens of England? The average person starting in local business makes about half that with no benefits. I can see why Mr. Pero wants to negotiate in private...It's not a good idea for the community to find out too much about his scam. The question is, how much longer will the community put up with it, until Napa is bankrupt like Valleho? "

Rob C wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:10 AM:

" Of course no mention of Napa's own massive unfunded union pension liability which is at odds with Parness's "all is well in Napa" declarations.

He is right, though, that using mandatory "averages of similar pay" is nothing more than a self-increasing upward spiral; as some area is always going to be "less in pay" than another - a beautiful union tactic used across the country.

And no, Mr. Pero, sunshine on negotiations is always in the best interest of taxpayers. Lack of transparency has already allowed these absurd pay-escalation metrics and ever-increasing unfunded pension liabilities.

Lets hope the city's upcoming contract negotiations are conducted with reality in mind - not expediency. A positive, cost-saving step would include a shift from defined-benefit public employee retirement plans to one based upon defined contributions - which is on par with nearly all private sector retirement plans today.

Look down the road to Vallejo fellow citizens - we are not as insulated from their plight as we'd like to think.

_________________________________
"As the roads continue to crumble" "

Dirty Napkin wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:48 AM:

" Wow. Must be nice. "

petebo wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Napa is the next city to go bust! How can we afford to pay then DOUBLE what the "average" Napan salary is and feel good about this? How did we get to this point where we are so dependent of these public services and how is that government jobs keep getting increases while the private sector has been lowering pay over the same period because business is so poor? What does this mean for our future and why do we just HAVE to accept this outrageous pay? There are NO high rises in this town and the number of firefighters making these high salaries is going to s@ck the public teet dry. Indeed I believe that Vallejo is the first of many more BK's to come from cities, counties and even states. The federal government will survive only because the bankers that control and use the federal legislators and system they created for their own benefit. Figure it out people... "

hudds5 wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Impressive...I guess they don't have any issues hiring people. Good for them. Maybe other counties and cities will give their public service employees a raise too.
Hopefully Napa won't put themselves in the same situation as Vallejo. "

BiLly wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Hard to slam firefighters but jeez where can I get an application ?
This is not New York City...how many major fires in Napa last year?

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chunk wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:56 AM:

" That's a lot to be making for an entry level firefighter. I've looked around at other California firefighting agencies in the past and it seems like the average was usually around $50,000 starting. I'm not undermining what these people do since I was a firefighter for 2 years but I didn't think you make that much money until you at least promote to Engineer. And these numbers don't even take into account the mass amounts of overtime that many of them will make as well. "

napablogger wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:27 PM:

" These figures don't include overtime which brings actual salaries way higher, even at the bottom they are making well over $100,000 a year. We can't hire more to eliminate the overtime because the benefits are so expensive it wouldn't be worth it. They have gotten a lot more than 2 and 3% the last few years too--that only counts cost of living increases. They also get market adjustments and step increases. Pensions are 27% of payroll, health benefits costs have gone up over 100% in the last four years alone. The list goes on and on. "

averagejane wrote on Feb 26, 2008 1:28 PM:

" Okay folks. I am not a fire fighter. I am not married to a fire fighter. I am a tax paying citizen who has had her life saved by a fire fighter. I personally make more than 6 figures and I sit on my rear all day without risk. I do not fear when I am at work. I do not have to see death in a car wreck or the horrific account of dead children (remember fire couple weeks back!!). These men and women not only risk their lives for us but they also are mentally tortured sometimes. They see things that YOU (read the rest of Napa) will hopefully never have to experience in your life. Many of them are the sole providers for their families. They work crazy hours (3 days on at a time) not too mention the overtime that they are "required" to work to help staff the city. I do know a few wives of fire fighters and they are raising the kids in difficult times and it is hard to find a job that is flexible enough to deal with a schedule of uncertaintity. I suggest you all lay off a bit and get a grip on what you say. Any of our well trained dedicated Fire Fighters could go to other areas of the bay area and make up to double what they make here. I am thankful for the fire dept personnel that we have. THANK YOU TIM BORMAN and you entire department. "

grant wrote on Feb 26, 2008 1:58 PM:

" Every time the subject of public safety benefits and salary comes up, people start calling for cuts in pay and pension benefits. As someone involved in the hiring process for police officers in Napa, I think people would be amazed at how difficult it is to attract quality applicants even with the salary and benefits we have. We lose qualified applicants to better paying agencies all the time. And I guarantee that if pay and benefits were cut, the only applicants we would attract are exactly the type of officers and firefighters this city would never tolerate. "

hoozcryinow wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:37 PM:

" I can't believe all the complaining I see here! Obviously these people have been fortunate enought to never have required these services. Quality people are hard to get in any field (look at our other public servants in the offices) and this is certainly one field I want to have the best. If we want to cut salaries, let's start with the city council and their office support staff - people like me whose work permits them to sit on their butts all day - not the people that lay it on the line (or are at least ready to) every day. "

mofosheee wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:45 PM:

" Ah, the merits of a good union! "

musikluvr wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:55 PM:

" Here come to union big hitters. Hooz, grant and jane...its all the same baloney we hear every time there is some question about the pet firemen, cops and others. The town will burn down, the firemen will all take jobs elsewhere, crime and gangs will take over...its baloney and this community will not tolerate dukes and barons and kings in firemens clothes. "

BiLly wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:56 PM:

" To Be Honest what we have now is not so impressive whether it be the City Council, police, DA etc. It is a nice place to live but the political BS and gross disregard for those who OBEY the law. The lack of lanning the last 40 years leaves us wtih Poop all the way through. I am leaving. "

napablogger wrote on Feb 26, 2008 6:02 PM:

" average jane, it is not about the firefighters and what they are like, we have good people and we appreciate the risks they take. But you have to run a city or any government or any business on a budget and you just cannot pay people an unlimited amount of money and expect their to be no consequences. They make big salaries and have benefits that are the envy of anyone. Is there no limit? Vallejo went bankrupt trying to pay it. And don't tell me that we can't find firefighters, it is the number one sought after public service job. And that is not because it is such a terrible job no one would want to do it. Oakland had what, 20 openings and got 6000 or more candidates? "

notpc wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Iam all for efficient government. However you have to remember that even though Oakland had 6,000 people apply how many of those 6,000 are physically capable? Also do not forget out of those 6,000 how many of those candidates would you want in your house unsupervised, treating an unconscious member of your family? Someone who is not claustrophobic, afraid of heights and who is willing to put their life on the line to save others. You eliminate alot of candidates when you need those attributes. "

chunk wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:21 PM:

" I agree with Napablogger. Being a former firefighter myself,not in Napa, I would work for Napa FD for a 1/3 less than what they are getting paid. I'd love to work 10 days a month and get paid while I sleep for these salaries. They will always find good people because when a department hires there are thousands of qualified candidates who apply. It's rdiculously competetive. "

another co. wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:52 PM:

" to billy...you're right on, i had to leave cause i couldn't afford to live in napa or anywhere else in napa co.....as the raises go up so will your taxes and it never stops, to you all...wait til you get on fixed incomes then take another look at things "

rocketman wrote on Feb 27, 2008 6:53 AM:

" Each of the issues raised has some merit. However, each time this comes up in the City of Napa, the negative focus is always on the Napa firefighters and Napa police. This is a state-wide issue, not a City of Napa issue. Until ALL the Cities and Counties maintain an acceptable wage and benefit package for public safety officers, this will continue. But who is going to set that standard?? I keep hearing that it is ALWAYS the Unions fault that these benefit packages are so high. So I guess you people think that Unions just ask and the City just gives. These contracts have to be approved. The Unions can't approve the expenditures. So you want firefighters and cops to make less? What about other high paying positions in City and County government? I always laugh when I see these negative comments and the simple solutions to change things. It is a much more complex issue than what is usually commented about. If you think these salaries are so high, check out what oil company execs are making. You all are paying for those salary and benefit packages as well!! "

rocketman wrote on Feb 27, 2008 6:56 AM:

" napablogger.......don't you get it?? Oakland pays the same! Napa is getting ready to recruit for firefigters......probably will get close to a 1000 applicants. There have always been more applicants for firefighters than any other position is City and County government. "

jeepracer10 wrote on Feb 27, 2008 5:20 PM:

" Its funny that Napa is getting raises due to the compared cities in the articles. Last time I checked most of those cities were bigger. It must be nice to get paid all this money to sleep and play XBOX. However, how do you expect people to live in the Bay Area without making this kind of money. All I can say is any high school seniors reading this article should consider taking a job with any form of government. "

napadad wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:21 PM:

" I dont believe that the firefighters are paid enough. Of all the employees a city has the fire and police should be the highest paid as they take the biggest risk and work the hardest jobs. I want to see those that think the pay is high carry a 200 lb man down a flight of stairs in full gear. Or have to see a baby burned beyond recognition and go back to the job knowing that will happen again. Work 24 hr shifts away from your family etc. Maybe chase a meth head five blocks through napa creek over fences and then see him back on the street a few days later. Maybe rent a house in napa cause you are working four 12+ hours days a week plus overtime cause your short handed all the time. Oh and you work with criminals and violent felons every day. These guys need better everything not cuts and complaints "

accordionista wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:26 PM:

" As a lifelong resident, my personal experience with the Napa Fire Department has shown me that it's staffed by very competent and professional, well-trained individuals. I have nothing but respect for what they do. But this article about their pay and benefits got me thinking, so I looked into it a bit. I took a look at their contract with the city, which is available on the city website. It's true that they were allocated a salary adjustment based on a survey of surrounding cities. Those cities are, specifically, Fairfield, Hayward, Livermore, Newark, Petaluma, Richmond, Santa Rosa, Vacaville and Vallejo. It's true that some of these cities are larger than Napa, and some (I'm thinking of Richmond, in particular, or Hayward, which are the larger ones)probably require a bit more than our firefighters here are accustomed to. But another thing struck me, which is that I'm pretty sure Napa has about the highest housing costs of any of those cities. I did notice in their contract that they're not required to live here (only within 45 minutes), but that has to be a consideration for anyone considering working here. And what they got was the median of the pay in those other cities. Another thing I can't help but wonder is whether our city management receives the median pay of those cities, and what their benefit package looks like. I somehow suspect that they receive considerably more compared to these cities. But, sadly, that information wasn't available on the city website. "

Clever Nickname wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Jeepracer10, my husband, brother and 3 cousins have never played an XBOX while on duty. They are pretty busy keeping up their CE's for their paramedic licenses, endless training, business inspections, equipment maint., etc. Please keep in mind that the average FF lives only 7 years beyond retirement. Hardly as "life-long" as it seems. For those of you who question the 10 days a month...that's 24hrs, not 8. A 56 hr work-week takes a person away from loads of family life. It's not quite as "cushy" as you might believe it to be. "

chunk wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:13 PM:

" I agree with Clever Nickname on the life expectancy of firefighters. they die on average at a fairly young age. When I was a firefighter every station had an XBOX and Halo 2 would be played in place of television at every station. we trained during the day when not on calls and played XBOX or called family after dinner. nothing wrong with that. "

jeepracer10 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:52 PM:

" It is understandable that firefighters need a break just like everyone else. The point that I am trying to make is that police officers, nurses, public works, etc work just as hard or harder yet they only get paid for the hours they truely work. They dont hide out inside the office between calls playing video games, talking to family, or sleeping. How many firefighters are on duty a day and how many police officers are on duty a day. I am sure the scale tip towards fire, yet who handles more calls for service each year? Is there more of a crime problem or a fire problem? "

notpc wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:06 PM:

" jeepracer10- your a little uninformed on how fire dept. operations work. Napa has a 3 platoon system so yeah they get paid while they sleep- if they get to. This is a traditional staffing model. If that bugs you they could go to 3- 8 hour shifts so you don't have anyone sleep- but you would have to hire more firefighters with benefits to staff the stations. Doesn't make much $EN$E. The other issue is quality of life issues. I like the ability to dial "911" if I have an emergency and have a fire engine at my door within 4-6 minutes. You should also understand that each engine or truck is staffed with 3 firefighters- an officer, pump operator and firefighter usually a paramedic. Is that to much to ask that you have a person operating the pump and two people on a hoseline when your fighting a fire? "

anotherguyinnapa wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:06 AM:

" $75,000 a year is waaaay too much money. These guys don't even need a college education. You can recruit good workers for much less than $75k a year. The city is wasting our money! "

Endisforever wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:54 PM:

" I can't believe all the negative comments that I have read in here. I am personnaly a firefighter/paramedic for a large department in the bay area, and live here in Napa. The reason so many people are bitter is because of a lack of understanding of what firefighters actually do in a days work, and how risky and dangerous the job really is. Granted there is "down time" on the job, but just like any job. Also - it took about 4 years of education of fire and paramedic training just to qualify for the job. The risk is extremely high of possibly getting infected from patients, and also when there are fires. We respond to more than just fires. We keep the public safe by doing inspections, we teach you and your children about fire safety, and we respond to all medical calls to help when you or your family members are sick. We do sleep at night, but most nights we respond some sort of call. You should all be grateful with the fact that you can pick up a phone and dial 911 and get highly trained personel to respond to your emergency, and to save you n time of need. It kills me to see people under appreciate the firefighters of our community. Educate yourself first about the job and its risks and dangers, then complain if you still think we are "overpaid". "

Napa_Native wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:25 PM:

" Let’s not look at the $100k salaries. Instead let’s look at productivity.

To earn their salary they are expected to "work" during normal business hours. This is when business inspections, training, apparatus maintenance, exercise etc. is to occur. Physical fitness is important. But to include exercise during the "work” period is a stretch. After 5pm the work day is done and all they are expected to do is respond to calls. So basically the crews are expected to work 8 hours of the 24-hour shift. (For those who work and 8-hour day that translates to roughly 2 hours and 45 minutes of an 8-hour shift.)

The work schedule averages to 10 days a month, and crews are expected to "work" normal business hours (8), then the top step firefighter earns $102,200 for 80 hours of "work" and 160 hours of stand-by time. The tax payer’s money would be better spent if the fire department used the 12-hour shift schedule. The city would NOT have to hire any more firefighters and the productive hours for each shift would increase 50%!

Firefighters are on duty for 48 hours straight which raises safety concerns. If they have a busy night on the first night of the tour, then we need to ask the question about their ability to perform for the next 24 hours.

The International Association of Fire Chiefs just published a paper on The Effects of Sleep Deprivation on Fire Fighters and EMS Responders. This paper presents strong evidence for moving away from 24-hour shift work.

My suggestion does not call for a reduction in their compensation. But it does require a paradigm shift.
"

Madison Jay Hamilton wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:40 PM:

" Napa's firefighters are worthy of every penny they're paid. "

cyclnapa wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:31 AM:

" I have been in public safety for 18 years. I know there are a lot of people out there who want to do the job, think they could do the job, and wish they could get a job in public safety. The cold hard fact is the majority will not qualify or be incapable. For those of you that do not know, the hiring process is long and difficult for police and fire. And for good reason. These are the people you give permission to carry guns and possibly put your life in thier hands. A typical wash out rate is 40-50% of applicants per section of the hiring process. Most public safety agencies have a written exam, a physical test, and an interview just to weed out the obvious undesirables. If you make that cut you still need to pass an in depth background investigation, psychological exam, sometimes a polygraph, a medical physical, and another interview. The first job I was offered I started in group of 3000. By the time the background investigations were done that number was down to 51. after the polygraph 24. I was one of 14 hired. The people on this board who think you do not need to be competitive in wages and benefits to attract good people are right. There are thousands of people out there who will take the job but would they be the right people? Would you trust them with your LIFE? "

joe08 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:02 PM:

" These people are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpaid. 102,000 for a half time position? give me a break. Life is way too easy for them, everything is paid for, and they get to retire with way too much pension and at way too early an age. We'll be broke in no time at thsi rate!!!!!!!!!! "

petebo wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:52 PM:

" Justifying high pay by saying you are worth it because you just happen to be a firefighter doesn't really matter to most people. The outrageous taxes that we pay is and the enormous burden placed on the public sector to provide for salaries that the people who pay them don't even come close to making. It's just government taking care of it's own at taxpayers' expense. This kind of thing is what will bankrupt every city and county and ultimately, each state system of government. It will collapse under the tremendous weight of it's own corrupt and fiscally irresponsible ways. Greed always seems to take control of man's easily bribed brain. The trade off is just not there and something will have to give. It is what it is.... "

fyrman75 wrote on Mar 7, 2008 5:15 PM:

" First off, I am a firefighter, and I dont work for Napa. Let me pose some questions to all of you that are reading these comments. Would you want to pull a kid out of a pool and attempt to revive them in front of crying parents? Do you want to work 240 hours a month, compared to your 160? Do you want to get up 2 to 3 times a night, sometimes more? These are the realities of the job, everyone sees the glamour and the time off, but ignore the truth. There are only certian people cut out for this type of work and that is why the pay and benefits are what they are. Not to mention that most fire departments requre Paramedic licenses in order to be considered for hire. That means more schooling and more responsibility and a smaller pool of candidates. Bigger departments with bigger budgets are taking all of the candidates with experience so in order for a smaller city such as Napa to compete, their pay and benefits have to up to par. Would you want a guy who is fresh out of school with no experience to work on your family member? I wouldnt, I'd want the paid proffesional firefigher who has the knowledge and skill to provide the best possible service. This should spell it out better, a firefighter's salary is based on a 56 hour work week, if you were to work out the hourly rate of the starting pay, it would equate to roughly 25.80/hr. This is equivalent to a union laborer with no education or professional qualifications. Its true we work 10 days a month on average, but those days include weekends and holidays away from families. Food for thought. "

misfit wrote on Mar 7, 2008 10:13 PM:

" I appreciate the work that firefighters and paramedics do. But, the pay is exorbitant for a job that doesn't require even a college degree.
Yes, at times they have to witness horrific things but, like a policeman who never has to draw his gun over an entire career, those events are relatively rare. I would think the CHP is exposed to more of those kinds of things.
Now, I know emergency room technicians who witness a lot of tragic things, nurses in hospitals who must take someone off of life support and then comfort a grieving family, many other examples of difficult jobs that don't command this kind of money and benefits. It is out of whack to be sure. No, I don't want to be the one to pull a child out of a pool but, that's what you signed up for. Was the motive to help humanity or to jump on the gravy train?
Teachers should be livid! "

TheTruth wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Again people should educate themself prior to posting. Is everyone forgetting that this raise was actually back in July of 2007. People read the article. The reason this raise was higher than normal was the Firefighters took salary caps for the previous 2 years to help out the city. Sounds to me like they are pretty good employees and always do what is right. Let me remind everyone City Staff which includes City Manager, both Asst City Managers and all Dept heads use the exact same cities and the exact same formula to detemine their pay. City Staff is paid the average/median just like all the other employees. Why is no one bashing them. Oh I forgot this is a Firefighter bashing blog. It kills me to read some of these posts. Yeah your right you dont need a college degree to be a firefighter but you sure as heck need honest, dedicated, trustworthy, brave indivduals to do the job and you can buy that at a college. And to set the record straight Paramedics go through at least 2 years of school to earn their lincense. Oh and most firefighters have been through a Fire Academy which is another year. So add it all up their is quite a bit of school to make yourself worthy of being hired. "

Napa_Native wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:58 PM:

" To TheTruth,

Paramedic training is a minimum of 1090 hours. In regards to firefighter academies, most are completed in one semester.
"

TheTruth wrote on Mar 11, 2008 5:57 AM:

" Oh but how quick we jump to conclusions Napa Native. Did you forget about the 6 months of EMT prior to medic school. Did you forget about the A&P classes prior to medic school. Check your facts. It take a couple of years Ok so you go through a firefighter adcademy and you get a completion cert did you know that you need a year volunteer or 6 months paid to get your CA State Fire Marshalls Firefighter 1 Cert. Opps Napa Native again check your facts. "

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