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County mulls mandatory sprinklers
Burden on homeowners prompts compromise call for cost analysis
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
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Just how much is more safety worth?

That’s a question insurance actuaries consider on a daily basis, but now the Napa County Board of Supervisors needs an answer if it’s going to require installation of fire sprinklers on all new residential construction in the unincorporated parts of the county.
The county is trying to meet a state deadline to update building code standards by the start of the new year. Jurisdictions like Napa County have from July 2007 to January 2008 to add any local ordinances they think might be beneficial.

County fire officials think it’s high time the county passed an ordinance requiring fire sprinklers on all new residential construction — especially given that the average response time to a rural house fire is upwards of 20 minutes. The city of Napa passed such a law, American Canyon has one, Calistoga recently voted its support for one and both Yountville and St. Helena are taking up the issue.
Napa County Fire Marshal Gabrielle Maurino Avina said with limited resources and thousands of acres to protect, it makes sense to require fire sprinklers. “We have less than the recommended staffing resources,” she said.

In rural areas, sprinklers could be hooked up to wells or water tanks to provide water. Maurino Avina said four out five insurance companies she called provided a 5 to 15 percent discount on premiums to homeowners who have fire sprinklers.
The cost, however, would be borne by home buyers. Maurino Avina estimates that fire sprinklers installed for a 2,500-square-foot home could cost anywhere from $5,000 for a tract home to $8,700-$13,300 for a custom-built home. County officials estimate that amount to 1 percent to 2 percent of construction costs.

“Quite often more money is spent on flooring or countertops,” Maurino Avina wrote in a report to the Board of Supervisors.

Supervisor Bill Dodd wasn’t so sure, wondering if the county was breathing too far down the neck of private property owners.

“I think at some point in time we’ve got to get real about the cost to society for taking care of every eventuality,” he said.

Supervisor Harold Moskowite agreed, saying it was the prerogative of people who live in the country to install fire sprinklers or not. Later Moskowite — a rural resident himself — said country residents assume the risks of living where they do.

“You want country living?” he said. “Put up with it.”

Supervisor Diane Dillon disagreed.

“It’s not just keeping safe those folks around us, It’s a real cost to us and I’m looking at millions in costs saved for fire service,” she said.

George Bachich, representing the Napa Valley Land Stewards Alliance, said absent emotional calls to save every life possible, fire sprinklers didn’t make financial sense in the long run.

“You have to put a price on life,” he said. “In the real world we have limited resources ... If this is really the right idea, all you have to do is give people the right information and let them decide.”

Bachich said mandating what he called a “non cost-effective solution” on property owners was bad government.

Michael Haley, president of the Napa Valley Taxpayers Alliance, agreed, saying the supervisors might as well ban vegetarianism because he thinks vegetarians don’t get enough protein to ward off health problems.

“To me (fire sprinklers) seems to be a solution in search of a problem,” he said.

Unfortunately for Haley, the board majority leaned the other way, but not completely. Supervisor Mark Luce led a motion to have county fire officials come back with a cost-benefit analysis before the board could entertain thoughts of voting for a new ordinance. Supervisors Dillon and Brad Wagenknecht joined him, while Moskowite voted no and Dodd abstained.

Dodd said he would consider the ordinance if it could supplant planned million-dollar expenses in continuing fire service in the county. “Now you have my attention,” he said.
18 comment(s)

Skip M. wrote on Oct 24, 2007 5:39 AM:

" Rural Napa County has seen plenty of wildfires in its history. Anything the homeowner can do as a preventative measure is an asset. Fires don’t happen every day, but when they do, they are catastrophic. Fire breaks, green space, and water water water are key. After disaster strikes, it is so common that the call go out “why didn’t somebody do something?” Well, rural home owners, the somebody in this case is you, and the something is install a sprinkler on your home. People have no problem spending $30,000 to $80,000 on a new car every two years, a couple thousand for a sprinkler system the could save your home should be a no-brainer. "

Normbc9 wrote on Oct 24, 2007 9:54 AM:

" When I retired from the fire service in napa County I went to eork for the vacaville Fire District in Solano County. They have implemented th residemntial sprinkler ordinance and since its introduction the loses to new construction and even new remodels fitted with the soprinklers has dropped to almost zero. The fires are contained quickly and the remote sensor sends out the alarm to a 24 hour monitoring facility alerting the fire department. I responded to a Christmas Tree fire in 1998 in the living room of a 24 foot high A frame living room. On my arrival the fire was suppressed before it could "falsh" in the living room and turn the residence into a inferno. They worek and believe me. I don't care how good your fire insurance is, you'll never replace the valued family keepsakes lost in a fire. In my opi9nion this is another "Makes good sense" proposal and I urge the County to adopt this badly needed fire and life saving measure. "

Kingsbridge wrote on Oct 24, 2007 10:08 AM:

" How does Dillon compute saving millions of dollars if new homes are required to have sprinklers? Let's see that math. Let's ask CalFire how many homes with sprinklers were saved when the homes next door burned in the current southern California fires. Then let's talk. "

Teddy wrote on Oct 24, 2007 10:15 AM:

" Sure, people should have a right to make their own choices, but when those short-sighted choices get fire fighters (and others) killed unnecessarily then there should be regulations to protect people from themselves. "

napablogger wrote on Oct 24, 2007 10:22 AM:

" Skip, sprinklers don't affect wildfires, if one sweeps over your house it will go down no matter how good a sprinkler system you have. The problem here is that they cost a lot of money and the negative impacts may be higher than the benefit. My point at the meeting yesterday was that homeowners should be able to decide for themselves if they want it, and most if not all look at it and do not put sprinklers in, at most in bedrooms. You are more likely to damage your house with sprinklers than with a fire. My comment about vegetarians was silly, it was getting to be a long day, but Diane Dillon's about it saving the county millions is even more ridiculous. We are talking about strictly the unincorporated county, of which there are an average of 70 new residences a year. There are 10,000 structures in the unincorporated county, and about 30 fires a year. You do the math, how many times that the fire dept has to run out to a fire each year will be saved by the addition of 70 houses with sprinklers to 10,000 homes with a chance of a fire one in 3300? And the fire dept will still have to go to the fire even if by then the sprinklers have worked to put it out, which is also not the case in some instances. We are talking really zero savings here, such small numbers they would be hard to calculate. $1.99 every decade? Americans have become hysterical with safety, at some point you have to do a cost/benefit analysis, whether that be the massive war on terror or on putting a fireman on every street corner. And people don't want them, why force them? "

Rob C wrote on Oct 24, 2007 10:24 AM:

" First of all this is only for NEW construction - not existing. And given the general distaste for ANY county development, how significant will this be to overall future structural fire safety? Not very. Of course if you are a current landowner who wishes a mere addition - even one without "counters and floors" - the cost has now risen dramatically for what might have been only a new room or storage area. One that will have sprinklers while the main structure doesn't. So please, Ms. Dillon where will these "millions" in savings occur should this nanny-law get enacted? And to Mr. Dodd's excellent point, if enacted may taxpayers expect commensurately less in fire-expenses in the future? I think I already know the answer to that question. "

napagirl1960 wrote on Oct 24, 2007 10:41 AM:

" I think that this should be mandatory in every new house and every re-model in the country, not just our county. It would save thousands of lives and dollars. "

Stevem wrote on Oct 24, 2007 12:03 PM:

" I've spent 30+ years protecting communities from fire. Requiring fire safety in a private residence is an emotional issue. For an unbiased look at the subject, I suggest reading a recent publication from the National Institute of Standards & Technology (NIST). "Benefit-Cost Analysis of Residential Fire Sprinkler Systems" (NISTIR 7451) by David T. Butry, M. Hayden Brown and Sieglinde K. Fuller can be downloaded at www.bfrl.nist.gov/oae/publications/nistirs/NISTIR_7451_Oct07.pdf. "

Skip M. wrote on Oct 24, 2007 1:32 PM:

" Perhaps my concept of home sprinkler systems is skewed. I was not even thinking about sprinklers INSIDE the home. But that makes sense to me as well. After all, every commercial building has sprinklers inside, and you don’t hear of very many instances of those tripping by accident. I would think that it would only take a few times of that happening and the insurance companies would start to discourage sprinklers. Water and computers don’t generally mix well together. So if interior sprinklers were prone to activate in the absence of a fire, those insurance companies would have a lot of payouts that they do not want. An uncle of mine installed sprinklers on top of his home. When a wildfire comes through, those sprinklers are turned on and the house is kept wet. Most homes that burn in wildfires are touched off by embers blowing in the wind. If the house is wet, those embers will not ignite the roof, they will be doused by the sprinkler. However, if a burning tree falls on the house, well, I suppose your house would then be toast (pardon the expression). "

napablogger wrote on Oct 24, 2007 6:36 PM:

" Skip, these sprinklers are indeed inside the house. And you hear even less incidents of them being needed for fires. Why should the owner have to put them in when it costs the county nothing? Teddy, no lives have been lost in Napa due to structure fires without sprinklers, this will not save any lives. And your willingness to be so authoritarian is scary. We should remember that firefighters themselves feel that no amount of protection is enough, because they see the ravages and it is an emotional issue for them. But if you count the costs NO homeowner in Napa's unincorporated area wants to put them in. These are not stupid people, they are mostly rich people with a lot to lose. That should tell you something right there. Insurance actuaries assess sprinklers as doing almost nothing---most homeowners get very little off if anything on their insurance for putting in sprinklers. What we are talking about here is a one in a zillion chance that you will ever use them vs a very high cost. Look, we could all start wearing biohazard suits in case a dirty bomb is launched here by a terrorist, how about that? We could force people to eat meat twice a week if they are vegetarians in case they get protein deficient diseases that help run up all our health care insurance. Let's ban marathon running while we are at it, because those people always get injured and we have to pay extra for health insurance due to that. I swear, you all have got me right back where I was at the Sups meeting. Where does it end? With everyone babysitting everyone else? We will all pair off, buddies, and when your buddy does something you don't like you get to fine them. "

Manorboy wrote on Oct 24, 2007 8:32 PM:

" OK - so once again the homeowner gets to drop more money - what about these "services" we keep hearing about. Maybe, just maybe we could shave off of the more than 30% that Napa county spends on Health and Human Resources (read Welfare and Public Housing) to pay those brave souls that do fight fires now! "

Skip M. wrote on Oct 24, 2007 11:41 PM:

" Hmm.. I didn’t really think about this as a matter of someone else taking care of me. I see it more of a matter of me taking care of myself. Regardless of whether the sprinklers are inside or out, if it could take the fire department twenty minutes or more to reach my burning house, I would rather have to clean up some water damage from my sprinkler system then rebuild the entire thing after it burned to the ground. I have been in some serious car accidents before seatbelts were the law. I was never seriously injured in any of them. I still buckle up now, not because it’s the law, but because it makes sense. I have never drowned (wouldn’t be bugging you now if I had), but I still wear a life jacket when I am out on my boat, and require anyone else on board to do the same. It just makes sense, and I don’t want any tragedies. Sometimes it is better to protect yourself before disaster strikes, rather than whine about it after the fact. "

napablogger wrote on Oct 25, 2007 9:26 PM:

" Skip, it is not about protecting yourself. No one is stopping anyone from installing sprinklers. It is that government is going to use the force of law to coerce you into using them even if you don't want to. That is what bothers me. How much is too much? That is why I give the example with vegetarians. Many feel that vegetarians would be healthier if they ate meat a few times a week. So should we force them, for their own good, to eat meat? Where does individual choice come in? One of the greatest freedoms we have is the freedom to be stupid, to make a mistake, to make our own decisions about how we are going to run our personal lives. Taking that away from people is worse than forcing a few people to install sprinklers they don't want that will affect no one but themselves. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 27, 2007 8:06 AM:

" Sprinklers in a house fire are like safety belts in cars... a big waste of money unless... it's you in that car that gets smashed up next. It's funny to hear the same arguments that were settled about cars decades ago. ~Ruff "

Kevin wrote on Oct 28, 2007 9:09 PM:

" I'll agree to install the sprinklers if it comes with a reduction in the number of firefighters... "

Skip M. wrote on Oct 29, 2007 9:10 AM:

" NB: You make a good point about choices. However, it is cheaper to build houses with wall studs on 24 inch centers. Spacing out the studs a little bit saves on materials and (for the tree huggers) natural resources. Placing studs at 16 inch centers is done to add support for a possible second story level. Still, building codes all over the country require wall studs to be placed on 16 inch centers. This is done because that interval results in a more structurally sound, and therefore safer, building. A private homeowner wanting to add a ground level room could argue that he or she does not intend to build a second story level, and that studs at 16 inches is a waste of his or her money. It could be argued to accommodate possible second story level is a matter of choice for that homeowner. In fact it is. And that homeowner could go ahead and build with the 24 inch center studs. The addition will just not meet code and the house will not be able to be sold in that condition. But that is his or her choice. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 29, 2007 10:55 AM:

" "Kevin", where do you get these "gems of wisdom"? Nobody's talking about requiring homes be retro-fitted with sprinklers so the number of firefighters would need to be about the same for decades until more the precentage of non-sprinkler houses took a significant drop. But even then you'd want response times to be good so I can't see why firefighter head counts would drop. What's your beef with firefighters? Do they have too good a retirement program maybe? All that smoke inhalation should not be an excuse for treating firefighters any better than meter maids, right? ~Ruff "

Skip M. wrote on Oct 29, 2007 11:56 AM:

" Ruff!!! I can’t believe you are taking a stand that I fully agree with. Our emergency service people put their lives on the line for the rest of us daily. That must count for something. They certainly are not getting rich in these occupations by any stretch of the imagination. They deserve the best we can give when they retire. And while we are at it folks need to keep their grubby mitts off the retirement health packages. When people make a career of emergency services, we are entering into a contract with them. When they work a full career and retire, they have completed their part of that agreement. To go in and start messing with their benefits at that point is no less than a breach of contract. I don’t know why some smart attorney has not put that together and filed a class action suit about this. OK, ok, can you tell that one gets me just a little fired up? "

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