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Saturday, March 10, 2007
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The pressure to improve academic standards at public schools brought unrest to Vintage High School on Friday, as students demonstrated against curriculum changes that may de-emphasize arts classes and other electives.

Administrators worked with students to avert a planned boycott of classes Friday morning, but Vintage High School students spent their lunch period protesting shifts designed to improve performance on standardized tests. As a next step, Vintage will host a student forum on the subject Thursday morning.
"For most of us, the art electives are the only reason we come to school," said junior Kristina McDonald, 17. "It's the only thing we have to look forward to."

McDonald was among students who left their morning classes and settled in the school's Little Theater, but later returned to class after hearing from Principal Eric Schneider.
Referring to herself and other concerned students, she said, "A lot of us are graduating and it would make no difference on the electives we take, but we're still doing it for the future and the new freshmen who we don't think should suffer."

Earlier this year, Napa Valley Unified School District officials announced curriculum changes to emphasize English and math, in part to help schools and students perform better on standardized tests.
State tests and the federal No Child Left Behind Act have had the effect of increasing accountability for academic progress in public schools. Through standard tests, schools, students and subgroups of students are tested to see if they are improving year over year.

While many welcome the emphasis on core academics, others fear students will have a less well-rounded education.

Vintage Principal Schneider said he understood the students' concerns, but emphasized that the school owes it to students, parents and teachers to strive for higher academic achievement.

Schneider said it is important to keep elective programs such as music and the arts strong, but said, "The priority has got to be academic program."

On Friday morning Schneider addressed the 50 or so students who had left their classes in protest. "When I met with the kids this morning, I clarified that they did not have permission to be out of class," Schneider said. "They were very cooperative."

McDonald, demonstrating at lunchtime, said, "A group of us skipped first and second period today, and we agreed to compromise and hold a forum on Thursday. I came today prepared for suspension, and if nothing good comes from Thursday's forum, then we'll be right back out here."

A balancing act

Several students made their views known at the lunchtime demonstration.

"I would like to come back here and be an art teacher. How am I supposed to do that if they're getting rid of the things I want to teach?" said Rachel Smith, 18.

She said administrators are adding classes at the beginning and end of the school day, but that doesn't work for everyone.

"In order to take the classes you want to take you would have to stay in school longer and take an early flight class or stay after school. Some parents might not want their kids leaving that early, or there may not be a bus available."

Smith, McDonald and other students wore T-shirts and buttons with bar codes on them, reflecting the mood that they feel they are being treated like numbers. The school's graphics department made the bar codes in response to the proposed changes.

Miguel Fernandez, 17, a musician, expressed concern for the future of the school band.

"The basis of band comes from the incoming freshmen. We teach them in sixth period. We won't be able to compete like we do if students can't take an elective until their junior year," he said.

Kevin Piguing, 13, practiced twirling the drum major baton during lunch. Piguing is an apprentice drum major. "It's not just about the fun that we have," he said. "Band has really taught me how to manage my time."

Elena Toscano, NVUSD's assistant superintendent of instructional services, said the district is not moving to eliminate elective courses.

"There's nothing that's planned," she said. "For some students, there might be some intervention classes that will prevent them from taking as many electives. Somehow, that's been interpreted as ceramics or shop classes being eliminated.

"If I'm a high school student and I'm struggling in reading or math, I need to take more classes in those subjects," Toscano said. "That won't leave enough time in the school day for that person to take as many electives."

The so-called "intervention" classes are designed to prepare students to pass standardized tests such as the Academic Performance Index tests.

Schneider said Friday that Vintage administrators initially believed the school's API scores had improved over prior years, but recently found out last year's scores showed a slight drop.

"Our API is actually down this year," he said. "That is a startling piece of information."

Schneider said he doesn't want students falling behind.

"If a student is below grade level in reading, we have real responsibility to help them get caught up. If we don't do something they might never get caught up. This is their one shot."

Schneider doesn't think the near-boycott is acceptable, but praised students for wanting to tackle the issue, which has been the subject of recent faculty discussions.

"To their credit, once we told them that we created a student forum, they said 'OK, that's what we want,'" he said. "The protest was real and I applaud the kids for their understanding of civil disobedience. I like kids to feel like they have a voice. We've got kids who are well behaved and care a lot about their education and want to be involved."

Schneider would like to see a balance between intervention programs and electives. "I don't want to lose any arts programs. We have not lost any arts programs or arts classes. It's a fear that some of the kids have."

But, said Schneider, "We're in an accountability era in education, and it's not going away."

The student forum is scheduled for Thursday during fourth period. Superintendent John Glaser and members of the school board will be on hand to listen to the students and answer their questions.

Register photojournalist Greg Hess contributed to this story.
46 comment(s)

Shawna wrote on Mar 10, 2007 8:19 AM:

" Good for you guys. Tell them how you feel. As a mom of two middle school students, I feel that teachers are over whelmed and can't even teach the kids in one period now they need to have more then one math or english class. My oldest son was in wood shop and was to change to art, but no now he has two math class, I don't feel that he his getting the one on one attention that he once got in grammer school, and that is why he is not getting the math, so by putting the kids in more math classes is not the answer, what they need is more focus time, and someone to ask questions to. Good luck as we are behind your efforts. "

School Counselor wrote on Mar 10, 2007 10:07 AM:

" I love the bar code symbol. To assume that every student is going to become a proficient reader, writer, and mathematician is to not recognize the individual differences in people and that we all have different strengths. To only recognize these academic subjects devalues the fact that many students have strengths in other areas-- music, art, athletics, drama, and the vocational subjects, and that many students will eventually pursue careers in these other areas. To take them out of these classes and layer on more academic classes sends the message that these interests are not important. It also implies that that layering on more academic instruction is the answer. If I took one art class a day and wasn't very good at it, would I become more artistic, if the administration forced me to take two art classes a day? I don't think so. So, why do we think that reading, writing, and mathematics are any different? They aren't. "

Kristina McDobald wrote on Mar 10, 2007 10:07 AM:

" thank you register for writing up the article, i would like to make a correction thought and mention to you that i am not a senior, but a jr. "

Fred Teeters wrote on Mar 10, 2007 10:29 AM:

" FINE ARTS IN OUR SCHOOLS AND IN AMERICA. The students at Vintage High School are in a struggle for true educational values. Look at where the real dream incomes are being made in this country, the music, sports, and movie industry. What we really want for our children is a well rounded education. A student who can express themselves on stage, or working as a team member on the grid iron is much better equipped to express themselves in writing. The school needs to focus on test scores and we all know that. Vintage High School has been awarded distinguished status. It is in the top ten of the State. This is in large part due to the well rounded nature and offering of its current curriculum. Our children need the reading, writing, arithmetic but what is that academia worth if they haven't discovered what they are good at or what they love to do? Not enough people in this country find a life work that they are both good at and that they love to do. Keep the schools electives as a critical part of education. "

Jen wrote on Mar 10, 2007 10:58 AM:

" Bravo, Vintage admin, for handling a difficult situation in a balanced and considerate way. You just can't let a 16-year-old decide he or she doesn't feel like taking math classes seriously. I must say, though, the bar code tee-shirts are very clever! "

Marla wrote on Mar 10, 2007 11:40 AM:

" If the students want to make a real impression they should stay out of school and not be counted as present. Hold the rally on the sidewalk across the street from the school. This will cause the attendance to decline and the income to the school will decline. Income to the school is the only thing the school administration cares about. They could care less about students and families. The change in curriculum is not a way to provide more learning it is a plan by the teachers union to give teachere more time off. "

Rachel Stoyanovsky wrote on Mar 10, 2007 3:56 PM:

" Thank you indeed Register, for writing up this article. I was one of about 50-60 people there at the little theater during lunch and in the morning yesterday. I do have to agree with Kristina, who is a personal friend and the one that told me about what was going on. I know of plenty of people that come to school only for their electives, including myself. I'm in band, and I know for a fact, if they took band away from me at Vintage, I wouldn't bother going to school anymore. I do like Marla's idea, and think anyone at Vintage reading this should consider this when we have another meeting. Thank you again, and thanks for putting my picture on the front page. =) -Rachel "

Alumni Grad 2000 wrote on Mar 10, 2007 6:29 PM:

" I think that the electives should stay. Many of us who took Band, Choir, Art, etc have become very WELL rounded individuals. My sister took Ceramics and because of that she is at one of the Country's TOP Art Colleges. I myself improved in math due to music. It kept me disciplined and allowed me to learn how to multi-task. I think the focus should be on students who are struggling in Math and Reading because it is needed to move on to College. BUT those who are talented in the Arts can go straight from high school to become an Actor, Sports player, or in a music group and be successful. Honestly Science didn't do anything for me and I don't even use math today. Don't take away what students love. What they love is their PASSION, and isn't that what you want them to find?? That is how they become a well rounded individual! Don't push the students aside... without them you wouldn't have a school "

Wierdo wrote on Mar 10, 2007 8:04 PM:

" Ok then, we demonstrate across the street from the school. Don't go into class! "

class of 2002 wrote on Mar 10, 2007 9:19 PM:

" If I hadn't had the opportunity to take Psychology and Peer Support elective classes with Mr. Nussbaum when I was a student at Vintage High, I wouldn't have had field experience volunteering in the elementary schools around Napa. That field experience in my elective classes directly led me to where I am now, about to graduate from the bilingual teaching credential program at CSU Chico. If I had been forced to take another mind-numbing English class, I would have continued to be disillusioned with the educational system, and probably would have followed my other aspiration of becoming a hair stylist. "

a teacher wrote on Mar 10, 2007 9:47 PM:

" I've been a teacher for 20 years and I'm horrified by the changes I see going on in this state. In my school nearly all of our electives are gone (of course, everyone, STILL must have a PE class). I don't blame you for being ticked off. But, Marla, it's not a plot to get more time for us teachers. I defy you to find a teacher who thinks any of this is a good idea. I do agree with you, however, if students want to get the attention of those who make these decisions, hit them where they live. Their pocketbooks. Don't whine about the consequences, though. "

Miguel Fernandez wrote on Mar 11, 2007 12:19 AM:

" Thay you register for getting this out, but this can go so much deeper. the reason why they are "taking away" these fine and performing arts electives is becuase they are making freshman and sophmores take more and more "required" electives (oxymoron) like geography. The counslers go to the middle schools and tell all the 8th graders that they have to take this and that. In Fine and performing arts it has been proven that you really can test the students becuase its an abstract type of thinking, but with math, english, and the new geography class its easy to test students on paper so then there will be more test scores to get a better spi socre which would equal more moeny for the school. All in all the school is trying to earn more money. There is a supposed rumor that the school has/is hiring seven new geography teachers. Why would you want that many teachers for an elective class that isnt a requirment to graduate? Band, choir, art, metal and wood shop etc etc are all 4 year programs, and to make students take them only their junior or senior year is defeating the purpose. During the forum on thursday, if nothing happens, we will be ready to protest on a larger scale than we did on friday the ninth. Music and art is a passion and a way to exspress oneself, how would the world be without art and music? "

School Teacher wrote on Mar 11, 2007 12:54 PM:

" Unfortunately, the Register article had some facts wrong. The Vintage Principal has decided that all ninth graders will take a year long geography course next school year. The protest is a result of students realizing that arts, music and, for that matter, any other "elective" course will not be available for ninth graders, thus, the opportunity to train a student for success in any of these fields will be greatly impacted because students will not be able to complete four years in an art or music field. With required courses already in place for ninth graders, the addition of another required class, geography, (though it is NOT a NVUSD graduation requirement) leaves no room for a ninth grader to take an elective in the regular school day. That is the real problem. "No Child Left Behind" (NCLB) and "Program Improvement" are other separate, but important issues that also will impact many students' ability to take courses other than English and Math because of required intervention classes in those two subject areas that will take the place affecting hundreds of students at the high school level in the NVUSD this coming school year. Students are already required by the NVUSD to take and pass three social studies classes that are normally scheduled in the 10th, 11th and 12th grade years. The fact is, at both Napa and Vintage High Schools, hundreds of arts and music students through the years have attended colleges and unviersities on full and partial scholarships because of the training they received at the strong and well respected art and music departments in the Napa public high schools. It's too bad that Mr. Schneider apparently is not aware of the data that indicates that music students score significantly higher on both Math and English portions of the SAT and are accepted into Medical Schools at a much higher rate than any other major. In making his decision to substitute a non-required course at his school site, Mr. Schneider is, sadly, setting up his school for true failure - the education of the "whole person" being neglected for the sake of raising his school's test scores. The Register could do the community a real service by letting the public know how very serious this situation is by really researching the facts - we are in danger of losing the high quality of our arts and music programs at the high school level - programs that have brought much acclaim and honor to both schools and programs that have served our children well because of decisions like Mr. Schneider's and the mandates of "Program Improvement". "

somebody over there wrote on Mar 11, 2007 7:03 PM:

" I think its a pretty terrible idea to remove the electives from freshmen, when i was one it was hard enough getting out of bed knowing i had to do all that crap that really didn't help me in any way possible. The only thing i had to look forward too was art and if they took that away i think a lot of kids would be dropping out of school faster, and younger. BUT i think it was a bad idea to protest by not going to class, the school board isn't going to care, it'll just give them more reasons to get rid of the elective classes. These kids need to go take their ideas to the high ranking people in napa and have them voice their opinion. Stay in class yah dumb kids. "

Miguel Fernandez wrote on Mar 11, 2007 8:01 PM:

" This is in response to the comment somebody over there left. If we didnt skip our classes to protest what is going on at our school the register would have never heard of this going on, it will literally be unknown untill it is too late. So Mr/Mrs somebody over there, who are the dumb ones now? :-) "

Chris Michael wrote on Mar 11, 2007 9:06 PM:

" I am a complete advocate towards the preservation of Fine Arts. I however, don't think protests are the right way to go. To the School Board and the Administraters of Vintage belive we (the students) are nothing but enraged and hormonal kids. By protesting we are only proving their beliefs to be facts. A fight (not literally) needs to take place, but with a more sophisticated approach. Until there is more organisation among the students we cannot hope to win. DO you believe that the Univerty students of China were protesting with no organization before the massacre at Tien An Men Square? Or for that matter the Vietnam protesters who were shot down by our own National Gaurd? It is not a matter of sitting in the school's quad and refusing to go to our classes, it is more a matter of fighting internally and secretly so that they (the school board and administraters) will begin to see who they are dealing with and what we want. "

Former Student 2006 wrote on Mar 11, 2007 10:16 PM:

" Because of standardized tests and goverment regulations its no wonder that school administrators feel pressure to push their students. but how far can you push them? Fine arts are a channel for anger, depression, joy, sorrow and if you take that away in school, you will be taking away what most students need to survive. It has been proven that teenagers in fine arts are more likely to do well and be more disciplined. Many things are occuring do the pressure of goverment regulation and in the midst of numbers and order depression among teenagers is on the ris. Art is about individuality, being more then a number, you take that away people fall through the cracks. They can fall into depression, violence, abuse, hostility and crushing despair. High school is bad enough, why take away what most students see as something they enjoy? In todays world, so many things are computerized, numbered and simplified there are times I feel like I'm living in an 11th grade english class reading all the classics that talk of what happens in a society of no creativity. By pushing students to take more academics, less electives you aren't improving " the quality of education" your destroying it. A quality education is not only a firm foundation in grammar and mathematics, its a knowledge of the world around you. A thorough education shows possiblities and instills a love of learning and if you make students sit in a classroom bored all day who want to learn? Who wants to dream, suceed and do the impossible? The answer is obvious. Save the Arts, they save lives. "

focus on those who need help wrote on Mar 14, 2007 10:42 PM:

" I may be wrong but I can't help but wonder if it is the English as a second language students that drag the scores down. If that is the case then it's obvious where the focus needs to be.Please don't assume I am racist-just realistic. "

Buzzy wrote on Mar 15, 2007 10:57 AM:

" Are you kidding? Kids who have english as a second language are sharp and do better than most others. And, that was a racist comment you made eventhough you may not realize it. I am sure there is a blame game in the schools and everyone in the administration and the teacher's union is looking to find a scape goat. One way you can tell how worried they are is that they start using the race card. You can follow the root of the problem by identifying the origin of the blame. "

Another Teacher wrote on Mar 15, 2007 11:01 AM:

" It irks me that people, like Marla, blame teachers for this. You really think that art teachers want to give up the classes they love to teach, to become a remedial math or english teacher? Seriously? The idea that we are all intellectually capable of the same outcomes is ridiculous, and is moving our schools down the wrong path. All students will not go to college. The Universities couldn't support everyone if they did qualify. There are those who will be artists, musicians, athletes, and of course laborers. Our school district largely has its hands tied, but the move to make geography an required class is silly. I am a Social Science teacher, and I can only say it is terribly sad that the Vintage Administration is forcing this upon its students. "

Another teacher wrote on Mar 15, 2007 11:05 AM:

" Hey Buzzy, you can't be serious. ESL students do better than others? Really? Not on the standardized test that students in California have to take!!!! Why don't you look into how the ESL students at Napa and Vintage compare to the non-ESL population. Do a little research before making such an ignorant comment. It seems that you're the one bringing race into this. "

Marla wrote on Mar 15, 2007 12:00 PM:

" "Our school district has its hands tied". That is how the teachers think? How sad to be be stuck in a so called profession working for an administration that has its hands tied!That must really affect the quality of teaching, learning and test scoring. What a bunch of sad sacks! Now we're really learing the depths of discontent in the schools. this is stuff that doesn't come out at the digified board meetings...this is real, lets hear more! "

Another Teacher wrote on Mar 15, 2007 2:17 PM:

" Marla, Yes our district has its hands tied when we depend on funding from state and federal dollars to make our schools work. Guess what?!! The government mandates that students do well on standardized tests. If we want to be free from government control for a while longer, shouldn't we strive to meet the standards? This is how the district thinks. If we don't improve, guess who takes over the schools. The government. Just ask Vallejo. Vallejo doesn't have a school board with any real authority. They have a state education administrator to make all decisions. If you're so down on our District, why don't you go visit a few others in communities similar to ours. When that happens, you can be damn sure the Elective programs will be on the chopping block. We could choose not to receive funding from the government, but where would that leave our schools? If a student is not even proficient in English, should we just ignore the problem? I don't agree with making Geography a required course, but your ideas about Administration and teachers are way off. It's obvious you can't see past whatever issues you have with the two separate entities. Can you please explain how the change in curriculum gives us more time off? Seriously, I'm waiting for an answer. "

Afternoon wrote on Mar 15, 2007 2:49 PM:

" Wow the teachers are getting defensive. Has someone tapped into the realities of the problems that they have been hiding in the schools? My experience is that when people in so called positions of authority get fearful and defensive they are hiding a lot. "

A teacher wrote on Mar 15, 2007 4:53 PM:

" Jeez Marla, you sure seem set on a fight. As a classroom teacher I have little control outside of my classroom. That's the nature of the job. I have little control over who is in my class, what the schedule is, what the school rules are or how they are enforced. I don't even control the curriculum or the materials I use. I have input in many of these things, but the final say is out of my hands. Increasingly, schools are moving towards more "scripted" programs where every thing the teacher does is preset. Kind of makes the teacher superfluous. The larger decisions are made by administrators and politicians, often people who have very little knowledge about education and different agendas than teachers and parents "

Another Teacher wrote on Mar 15, 2007 7:05 PM:

" Afternoon, You're obviously not reading into my argument correctly. I don't support "No child left behind" I don't support our districts move to an A-G curriculum if you even know what that is. I don't support administrators making decisions for English teachers when they've never studied English. I do believe we need to target those students who can't read, write, or do basic math and help them to do better. I think the High School Exit Exam takes care of that. I don't think testing of students, when the testing doesn't mean anything to the students is valid. The students up until this point haven't been held accountable. Guess what. If the future students don't want to take two math or english classes, they'd better do well on their 7th grade CST's. If they don't, they will take whatever the administrators tell them they have to take. So, parents of 7th graders and younger take note. How your child scores on their English and Math in spring of 7th grade means something now. It's too bad we didn't tell the 7th graders from last year. Pay attention here. I do not support making Geography a year long required class, as it only takes away from the elective programs. "

Marla wrote on Mar 15, 2007 7:59 PM:

" Ok, according to the teachers, "our hands are tied", they have "little control", "our school district has its hands tied", "the school is in a serious situation"...sounds like a total disaster to me. Little wonder that no learning is going on in NVUSD. Maybe its cheap child care, can't be much else. But one wonders why we are paying for 4 school bonds on every family's taxes, we have the lottery supporting the schools and half the state budget goes to schools. Somebody is making big money and failing to teach our kids. "

Afternoon wrote on Mar 15, 2007 8:04 PM:

" I've often wondered why a person would go to college, get a teaching credential and then get into teaching in public schools. They have to join one of the most controlling and politically vicious unions in the country that does nothing but control every move they make and require total allegiance and major financial support of every political project the union requires. Teachers become fearful to speak out and total automatons...exactly opposite to what is the precept of our country's greatness of freedom. "

I'm not a teacher yet... wrote on Mar 15, 2007 11:27 PM:

" It sounds like the rocky marriage between business and medicine that plagues HMO's, but that'a another story.I am curious as to why Marla and afternoon want to blame the teachers for our state's educational system? One last thing afternoon -unions are here to stay like it or not. "

Another Teacher wrote on Mar 16, 2007 5:07 AM:

" Sad that you think no learning is going on. It is obvious through that statement that you have never gone into one of the classrooms throughout our district. Very sad. We go into teaching because we love what we do. Plain and simple. Hey Marla, by the way.... I'm still waiting for your answer. "

a teacher wrote on Mar 16, 2007 6:51 AM:

" Marla has no answers. She only has talking points. Same with afternoon. Afternoon, I don't like the CTA, I actually agree with your assessment of them. The thing is that they are better than nothing, and I've been there. There are people out there that would have teachers working at the lowest possible wages, under the worst possible conditions with no say in what they do. These people talk a good game, but don't put there money where their mouth is. These are the people who brought us Prop 13 and other such assaults on the education system in California. In terms of education, California used to be the tip of the spear, now we are the butt of a joke. "

Marla wrote on Mar 16, 2007 9:24 AM:

" Another teacher's assessment of the system, "...we are the butt of a joke". Must be a wonderful learning atmosphere when teachers feel like this. "

Next wrote on Mar 16, 2007 10:02 AM:

" Marla has no answers? But you agree with her? From what I am reading she has exposed the teacher morale problem in the Napa Schools. She has shown that the teacher's union intimidates the school board and the administration. She has shown the discontent of the students and the families. She has shown the aggravation of the taxpayers at paying for 4 school bonds while watching the schools waste of funds. She may not have answers, but she has certainly gotten people's attention. "

Another Teacher wrote on Mar 16, 2007 11:45 AM:

" ....Still Waiting. Sometimes we open our mouths when we really don't know what we're talking about. Next, Marla doesn't have the answers to a question I posed of her. Marla wrote that the changing of curriculum was a way for teachers to get more time off. We're waiting for her explanation of that. Further, taking peoples words and quoting them out of context makes for the creation of a poor argument. Marla is simply looking to stir the pot and not create any real dialogue. She obviously knows little of education and the roles of the government, district admin, or teachers. "

Marla wrote on Mar 16, 2007 1:45 PM:

" Mmmm! A personal attack. Must be the union goons. Guess I struck a nerve! "

Another Teacher wrote on Mar 16, 2007 2:27 PM:

" Waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting,and ..................................................................................................Waiting. "

Ralph wrote on Mar 17, 2007 2:01 PM:

" Sounds like the inmates are trying to run the asylum. "

Reader wrote on Mar 18, 2007 7:46 AM:

" A lot of pent up anger "

ex-ex-teacher wrote on Mar 18, 2007 9:03 AM:

" As a former teacher myself, I think it is long over due to mandate greater emphasis on core educational subjects, History and World Geography are clearly two subjects that have been lost in the shuffle over the past couple of decades. Electives, such as Music and Arts, are suppose to be offered to those students who are passing their core subjects, those who have demonstrated an ability to perform academically, unfortunately we all know they’ve become an “elective” to avoid core subjects while filling in the students day to keep the ADA rolling in, and that is the ugly truth of the matter. Not being able to find a “single” teacher who supports mandatory core subjects over electives is in itself evidence of the quality within the teaching profession in this day and age, not too mention ‘our’ union’s position which we all know is designed to make Administrative jobs impossible at whatever cost to the student. "

to a teacher from ex-ex teacher wrote on Mar 18, 2007 9:09 AM:

" Why don’t you get off the Prop. 13 thing! The California state budget has grown 2,000% since Prop 13 was passed, school funding has risen well over 500% in real dollars..... perhaps teaching instead of whining about things you know nothing about would be serve your mental stability, although unlikely those whom you may teach. "

Marla wrote on Mar 18, 2007 2:49 PM:

" For the teachers in this disctrict whining is routine. Prop 13 happened in 1978...It has no relationship to today's failing schools. From what I am reading it is obviously the teachers who are the problem. "

Another Teacher wrote on Mar 18, 2007 8:38 PM:

" Obviously!!!! Still waiting...I'm sure it will be forever. "

June 2006 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 7:55 AM:

" I do think that electives are important, however, if your senior hasn't passed the exit exam in math or English and is taking two class periods of work study one of football and another of weight training ,there is a problem.. My son didnt pass the exit exam and now is way behind and he doesnt play for the NFL... "

Marla wrote on Mar 20, 2007 8:26 AM:

" No learning can happen where there is only chaos and no teaching... "

Proud Teacher wrote on Mar 20, 2007 10:18 AM:

" Intriguing discussion Ladies and Gents. As a teacher in an up-valley school we see some of these same problems, alas, it is my personal belief that we, as teachers, must take matters into our own hands. The fact is, teachers are the ones in the trenches everyday fighting the good fight...not administrators, not school board members and certainly not ignorant community members. We can all agree that public education can use some tweeking...but more importantly we must tweek the minds of us all to recognize that public education is the last bastion of democracy in this country. We take them all...and the goal is the same: to educate young minds. Accountability is a good thing that has been taken to an extreme. So let us get past the bickering and talk solutions. This is the only way to acheive the respect we deserve as education professionals. "

Another Teacher wrote on Mar 20, 2007 8:43 PM:

" Time keeps on ticking, ticking, ticking, into the future. I'll keep waiting. Marla, can you ever, please answer my question of you? Why, oh why, must we wait so long???? "

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