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Warming: The impact in Napa
Sunday, February 04, 2007
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If global warming plays out according to some of the most dire predictions, welcome to Lake Napa.

A 20-foot rise in sea level, resulting from the melting of Greenland's ice cap, would turn the Napa River into a permanent arm of San Francisco Bay, enveloping half of downtown, all of Auto Row and much of Old Town.
Even a lesser three-foot increase in the world's oceans would wreak havoc, sabotaging the assumptions behind the half-finished $311 million flood control project which is supposed to protect the heart of the city in a major flood.

Predictions of rising sea levels are the stuff of nightmares. The ocean at the Golden Gate Bridge rose eight inches during the 20th century. International climate scientists most recently predicted a three-foot rise during the 21st century.
But if global warming takes hold, three feet would be just the beginning.

For perspective, The Register called on officials at the Napa County Flood Control District, whose job is to keep water out of downtown and the neighborhoods.
Heather Stanton, flood district manager, said she is well acquainted with the threat of global warming and predictions that low-lying land could be inundated by swollen oceans. "I've been watching the melting ice caps for years. I've found it frightening," she said.

"The polar bears are drowning. How much more evidence do you need it's here today," she said.

Some people need more. Critics of the most recent studies, and the media focus on the prospect of warming, say the threat is being exaggerated.

While experts debate the future of the planet, Stanton said her professional responsibilities are clear: finish the flood control project. Even if the oceans do rise, "this project will serve the community for a long time to come," she said.

A modest rise might not be a problem, she said. The flood project is designed to handle a so-called 100-year flood with a couple of feet to spare.

Even if worst disaster scenarios play out, the effects will be felt gradually, Stanton said. The flood project should protect homes and businesses for decades to come, she said.

Richard Thomasser, the district's watershed manager, sat in on the discussion of global warming. He teased Stanton about how her south Napa home would fare. "At 20 feet, Heather, you're beach front," he said.

In contrast, his Browns Valley home, elevation 190 feet, would be high and dry, he said.

Maybe engineering solutions -- higher levees or a barrier at the Golden Gate Bridge -- can save Napa, Thomasser said. "It's not going to happen overnight. I'd assume agencies like us would come together for a solution. The whole Bay Area would have to be protected," he said.

Global warming or no global warming, Michael DeSimoni, who owns two riverfront blocks south of Third Street, plans to start construction this summer of a mixed-use retail-office-condo development.

DeSimoni does not think his project is threatened by rising oceans. "It may be a hoax," he said of reports of manmade climate change. "I think Mother Nature is in charge. The rest is all an assumption."

Next to DeSimoni's property sits the historic Napa Mill, with a flood wall under construction that tops out at 18 feet above sea level. Owner Harry Price isn't panicking.

"If you do that too much, it stops you from making progress right now," Price said.

Price is convinced that global warming is real. As awareness grows, he hopes that governments, businesses and individuals will cut back on their production of carbon dioxide and other gases that trap heat in the atmosphere. The worst-case scenarios are not inevitable, he said.

Skip Keyser, a commercial Realtor, said businesses interested in renting in downtown have more immediate worries than long-term global warming. They want to know when the flood control project will be finished to protect against winter rains.

Keyser also believes that the waters will inevitably rise if humans don't change their ways. "Who do we have to blame? We have ourselves to blame," he said.

While polar melting would flood low-lying property the world over, Keyser noted that his personal abode near Yountville, elevation 78 feet, is safe for now.

While the threat of rising oceans is hypothetical for most people, Chris Malan and John Stephens of the Living Rivers Council have begun asking Napa officials to act now and stop commercial and residential development of Gasser Foundation property behind South Napa Marketplace, adjacent to the river.

"We should not be putting people in harm's way," Malan said. Why allow development on land that could be under water within decades, she said.

"A big cloud is looming on the horizon," said Stephens, who thinks a 20-foot rise in sea levels will happen sooner than most scientists are predicting. "It will inundate the most valuable property in the city of Napa and our infrastructure."

Joe Peatman, the executive director of the Gasser Foundation, thinks the Living Rivers Council is overreacting. "There is a lot of validity attached to global warming, but I don't think there is a lot of validity attached to 20 feet," he said.

As proof that Gasser treats the subject seriously, Peatman said, the foundation would be launching a Sustainable Napa Valley Initiative to promote energy conservation among nonprofit organizations. The goal is to reduce the production of the greenhouse gases that contribute to climate change, he said.

Juliana Inman, an architect and Napa City Council member, voted in favor of the Gasser master plan, which will include a 2,000-seat theater and up to 500 homes.

Global warming commands her attention, yet she isn't ready to pull the plug on continued construction along the river, Inman said. "Do you say no more building in Napa County unless it's above the 45-foot mark? I don't think we're ready to go there yet," she said.

"What if 30-foot water is coming? Where do we move Napa to?" Inman said. "We will have to make an orderly retreat upriver."

Unfortunately, there isn't scientific or political consensus about how to handle the threat of significant climate change and rising oceans, Inman said. Rather than react to alarmist "second-hand or third-hand" citizen testimony, government officials need more solid guidelines, she said.

As things now stand, "CEQA doesn't require us to take that deep a look into the future," she said of the California Environmental Quality Act which is used to evaluate new projects.

Keith Rogal, who plans to develop the 152-acre former Napa Pipe property with up to 4,000 housing units, said the site would be raised several feet during development, enough to handle a small rise in sea level.

Fundamentally, the issue is much bigger than what could happen in Napa, Rogal said. "Globally, we really can't afford a 20-foot rise," he said. If Napa Pipe is someday under water, so is the Netherlands.

Rogal doesn't believe the worst will happen. Once nations wake up to the threat of global warming, people will radically change their lifestyles.

"You don't wait until the ocean rises and kills millions of people and wipes out a large part of the Earth's land mass," Rogal said. "Aggressively, all of us have to play our part."
42 comment(s)

No way... wrote on Feb 4, 2007 4:50 AM:

" Napa flooded? Wow...i guess all those "global warming is a myth" commenters better pull their head out of the sand, seek higher ground and then plug their head back into the ground and proclaim "what problem"? Interesting how the Joe Peatmans and Mike Desimonis think it's a hoax while legitimate scientists spend 1000's of hours studying different climate changes and effects. I guess the difference is the scientists don't own property that could soon be underwater and therefore valueless. "

N. Sawyer wrote on Feb 4, 2007 7:31 AM:

" Finally, some dialogue on global warning in the NVR. I hope it continues with an emphasis on what we can do on an individual basis to slow down or halt global warming. If you are one of the few skeptics regarding the truth on global warming, look out you front door and see the lovely daffodils..in January! And don't forget to watch "Inconvenient Truth"! "

Inquisitor wrote on Feb 4, 2007 8:04 AM:

" Global warming is certainly a problem to be solved. However, I wish I could say I was shocked to see bad science being marketed again. In this case, melting ice caps will not cause a significant rise in water levels. Ice is actually less dense than water (that's why it floats). While some ice at the polar caps sits above the water, most sits below...as it melts, it will result in negligible changes to water level due to the volume gained from the drop in density (as ice turns to water). The "rising sea level" myth has long been a scare tactic used to generate media attention. I would like to see a thorough discussion of solutions, such as dispersing fine particulate matter in the upper atmosphere to reduce the amount of energy making it to the Earth's surface. "

Freeport wrote on Feb 4, 2007 8:04 AM:

" I will avoid the "Inconvenient Lie" about man-made global warming because it is just that, a lie. There is no way scientificialy to measure how much CO2 is put into the air by man, cows, the ocean, and volcanoes. The science you are clinging to is not even good science following the scientifdic method. If you truely want to stop global warming, turn the Sun off! "

Fed Up wrote on Feb 4, 2007 8:13 AM:

" There are other "legitimate scientists" who think this global warming hysteria is a hyped up hoax.Here's some news for the chicken littles:the earth has been warmer before.In the 1300 and 1400's it was warm enough for England to become a leader in grape production and wine. And what was the "carbon footprint" of man then? The earth's climate is not like a thermostat that is set at a single temperature.It flucuates and is more complex than we can know.All of this "science" is based on computer models.Garbage in,garbage out.And p.s. the polar bear population is growing,not shrinking. "

Fajing wrote on Feb 4, 2007 9:20 AM:

" Oh please!! Have ANY of you ever taken any science classes??! ANY of you???????? Do any of you concerned global hysteria folks know what the #1 cause of so-called 'global warming' is?? Do you know whats the #1 SOURCE of the cause?? No, I'm not going to tell you. Do some research on your own. I doubt you ever have. "

Chris wrote on Feb 4, 2007 10:25 AM:

" My favorite part of this article is the fellow who thinks it could all be a hoax. That conjors up images of scientists sitting in back rooms, drinking beer and trying to figure out the next practical joke to foist on humanity ("Look, they bought that Evolution thing and the Big Bang, SUCKERS!"). Wake up, flat earthers! The majority of scientists in the field are telling you we have a problem. It's not a completely radical, hard to believe idea either. There are six billion people on the planet. That many people are bound to have an effect on the ecosystem. "

David Graves wrote on Feb 4, 2007 12:06 PM:

" When I picked up today's Register and read the articles about climate change, there was a little voice in my head saying,"Wow, I wonder how many comments will be from the deniaslist camp?" It's noon, and we are at three for five. I don't know what it is about this topic that prevents rational discussion. Freeport, Inquisitor and Fed Up all advance as "facts" arguments that are easily refuted by the most casual research. I liked Keith Rogal's comment the best: with radical sea level rise, Napa's problems look kind of puny compared to say Bangladesh or any one of the great coastal cities. "

Reality Check wrote on Feb 4, 2007 12:18 PM:

" I suspect that man-influenced global warming is more of a political issue than scientific. Does anyone actually think Al Gore would have made his movie if the Dems were in the Whitehouse? "

Richard wrote on Feb 4, 2007 12:28 PM:

" May 25, 1961....Kennedy's dream that within that decade, we would put a man on the moon, rallied the whole nation behind that one goal. We NEED that type of leadership again. Regardless of our impact on the environment (questionable at best) we still need to become energy independent. Put an inflatable 6000 acre solar collector in goesynch orbit between us and the sun. Stategically shade the earth's surface while also microwaving the electricity back to us. Run the juice to the "gas" stations we already have. Plug in your car for 5 minutes, spend $50.00, drive for 500 miles. We could do it ....if we had the leadership. (Wouldn't it be great if the only thing we wanted to buy from the Persian Gulf was a rug?) "

Barnabus wrote on Feb 4, 2007 1:59 PM:

" Alright, everyone go buy a hybrid car and start loving the smell of your own farts. It'll be great. "

Hey Inquisitor... wrote on Feb 4, 2007 2:03 PM:

" How about the melting glaciers on the "land" of Greenland? How about the ice shelves cracking and melting in Anarctica? It's true the north pole ice is mostly "floating" in water...but you completely ignore the two largest ice masses that are slowly disappearing that are located on land. The rising sea level myth? Unfortunately, with people like you...the only way to prove you wrong will be in a canoe window shopping downtown Napa... "

Michelle wrote on Feb 4, 2007 3:33 PM:

" From what I've read, I can't see where changing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, even in drastic amounts, could ever account for more than a minor secondary role in altering the average temp of the planet. Solar flux and sun spot activity on the other hand are clearly able to play a primary role. Case in point....what caused the end of the last ice age? (Can't blame that one on the evil industrialists now can you?) "

Hawkeye wrote on Feb 4, 2007 3:47 PM:

" Reality Check said that man-influenced global warming may be more of a political issue than a scientific issue. Well, I think that people turn it into a political issue. But it is obviously more of a scientific issue. There is so much varied scientific data and opinions on global warming that it becomes difficult to know exactly how severe the problem is. It is also complicated by the fact that over eons, our planet does go through drastic fluctuations in its climate, and smaller short-term fluctuations. This year has been warmer than normal for the West Coast. Is it from global warming? Probably not. One would have to take measurements over a longer period of time to know. I agree however that global warming is occuring to some degree, based on the measurements that have been taken of the receding ice caps and glaciers. As far as it being human-made, at least some of it has to be. But one thing is for sure. Despite the comments I've read that global warming is a lie, there has got to be some impact on our environment from the billions of humans living here. Burning massive quantities of fossil fuels as we have been cannot be a good thing for our atmosphere, there in NO denying that. There is also no denying that the burning of fossil fuels releases CO2 and CO into our atmosphere which traps the sun's energy. Remember the satilite pictures of the holes in the ozone layer? That is proof there that our consumption has lead to degredation of our atmosphere in some way. I believe that humanity has caused major problems to our environment directly related to our consumption (And needless consumption, ie: Gas-guzzling vehicles, leaving unnecessary lights on, wasteful lifestyles) of fossil fuels, and that if we don't change our ways and act a little greener, we'll be wishing we had done something about it sooner. There is consensus among the scientific community that we are faced with a problem. Europe is already taking steps to heed the warning about global warming. In fact, they are about 5 steps ahead of the US. They have installed massive quantities of solar panels, wind farms, etc. Portugal is currently testing and designing devices that generate electricity from the energy of ocean waves. They have successfully pursuaded their citizens to act green. Now if only our citizens would give up their gass-guzzlers, replace their inefficient appliances (or phase them out), and be more conservative and less wasteful, we will be on the right track. The problem is are people's attitudes. Look at some of these comments and you'll see. A lot of people are selfish and just don't care. I know of too many people who don't recycle, they say, "I can't be bothered." I got news for those of you who either don't care or think that you've been lied to when you've been told that our fossil fuel consumption harms our planet, and that is, IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF YOUR PLANET YOUR PLANET SURE AS HELL WON'T TAKE CARE OF YOU!! "

D. Deluna wrote on Feb 4, 2007 6:13 PM:

" Okay, I believe that alot of the people on this planet think Global Warming is fake and is not one bit of a hazerd, and I also think its the older majority that just say "oh we don't have to worry about it, by then we'll be long gone". But unlike them im 18 and have to deal with people's mistakes and how their killing the planet since they want to make a quick buck off of oil. The decisions that they make today are going to affect me when im older and when i have a family of my own. "

Fed Up wrote on Feb 4, 2007 8:43 PM:

" The majority of scientists once upon a time all "knew" the earth was flat too and that the sun revolved around the earth.While ice caps are shrinking in the northern hemisphere they are getting thicker in the southern hemisphere.Do a check for yourself and see how much grant money is going to scientists that are putting out the global warming party line.A hoax is not neccessarily a conspiracy and all it takes to create a hysteria is for the mainstream media to report something as if it's a fate accompli when the opposite is true. "

Chris wrote on Feb 5, 2007 6:25 AM:

" Actually, Fedup, that's not true. Scientists, are a recent invention of humanity, at least 400 or 500 years. Maybe Galileo being among the first, he certainly knew the world was round The Greek mathematician Eratosthenes calculated it's circumference pretty accurately around 2000 years ago. If anything, the opposite is true. People who we could recognize as scientists and scholars were always trying to tell the truth about things, ie, the world is round, the earth revolves around the sun, but the authorities repressed them, even killed them for their effort. Galileo spent much of his life under house arrest because the church felt that his ideas (all backed up by observation and sound science) contradicted their teachings. Perhaps you should a little about the history of science. "

silly wrote on Feb 5, 2007 10:16 AM:

" So..I ask myself, why would you not believe, maybe your invested somehow to where this 'hoax' would hurt your income. Anyway that's not the point. The facts are there, go ahead ignore them. Your family will suffer not you. Besides, Napa's shopping is lousy, I would rather have beach front property than pay $50 for a infant shirt "

If water rose 5 feet... wrote on Feb 5, 2007 1:36 PM:

" maybe there wouldn't be so many fights at downtown Joe's... "

Kevin wrote on Feb 6, 2007 8:18 AM:

" People need to educate themselves about the issue of global warming and quit buying what the media ---- are selling. The overhyping of this issue is nothing but pure politics promoted by environmentalists in league with world government proponents. Google Dr. Timothy Ball and Astrophysicist Nir Shariv if you dare to get another opinion. "

Sandra wrote on Feb 6, 2007 8:59 AM:

" N. Sawyer....how old are you? I have lived for over 50 years in Napa, and as far back as I can remember Daffodils in January are not uncommon.Also thier are bulbs now that have been developed to bloom twice a year. So if you see Iris blooming early, don't panic. As for what we can do on an individual basis? Not much other than things that make us "Feel" better. There are many coal burning countries that pollute and help add to the CO2....but debate is still raging if that will cause the disaster so many worry about.... On an individual basis there is little to nothing we can do that will impact the CO2 levels in any way, as long as countries continue to pollute. But it doesn't hurt to live as green as you can...will it make any difference? Probably not. "

Inquisitor wrote on Feb 6, 2007 11:50 AM:

" Regarding the Greenland glaciers (Feb 4 2:03pm comment), while it is true that the overall ice is decreasing, it is not nearly as fast as the enviro-extremists say it is. This is due to the fact that many glaciers are growing...a fact that would come out more often if the debate was honest. For the record, I believe that global warming is occurring, but the biggest problem with this debate is that there are too many global warming supporters that come with too much negative baggage...Sierra Club members, Al Gore, hippies with no logic, left-wing wackos, etc. "

Hawkeye wrote on Feb 6, 2007 1:30 PM:

" Sandra, I agree with some of what you say, but of course there is something we can do on an individual basis! Turn off unneeded lights in your house, replace your bulbs with energy efficient bulbs, drive a little less, make your future car purchase a hybrid car. That equals less coal burned to produce the extra power you would otherwise have used, which in turn means less CO2. Every little bit helps. If we all pitched in, that would mean billions of tons less CO2. But the reality is that not everyone will do that and other countries will continue their use of coal-burning plants whether the United States cuts back or not. But if you're concerned about this issue, every person that does cut back will add up to more and more reduction in CO2 production in the end. "

Accountability wrote on Feb 6, 2007 2:07 PM:

" Since many feel this is so urgent and vitally important and the United States government has funded these scientists to the tune of several billion dollars - why don’t we ask these scientific prognosticators to do a little REAL LIFE predicting. Instead of their attention grabbing 50-100-150 year apocalyptic predictions – the accuracy of which most of us will never know as we will be gone – let’s throw down the gauntlet and DEMAND they make some accurate ONE-YEAR predictions – say starting March 1st 2007 continuing for one year. Should be a piece of cake – compared to 50-150 years! How ‘bout accuracy within say .6 degree C. / 1 degree F. over just one year. They make their prediction – then we can all check the accuracy next year. Come on this is just too important for mankind, the earth, our kids, our vineyards, etc. Or, is this really just about voting for Al Gore – hating Bush, corporate America, developers, Republicans, individuals owning property, skate board parks, country music, NASCAR, guns & hunting, non-catch and release fishing, SUVS, and any other politically correct thing you might just want to believe in and blaming it all on someone or something you hate. New political rant - "It's not the science - it's the politics stupid!" "

Kevin wrote on Feb 6, 2007 7:17 PM:

" The point is not whether global warming is happening, the question is whether it is man made. That is where the science starts getting "fuzzy". Two thirds of the global warming we are experiencing can be explained by solar activity and other outside sources, according to some of the "deniers". Is it worth disrupting our entire world transportation system to only achieve 1/3 of the total benefit? If we all start riding horses, will the Earth still warm 3 degrees in a hundred years instead of the 4 degrees now predicted? (I like how the censures at NVR won't let me even mention by name any of the many scientists that have different theories about this subject.) And if you really think about it, global warming is definitely better than the alternative. We humans will survive global warming, but another ice age would just about guarantee the end of civilization.... "

Individual Responsibility wrote on Feb 6, 2007 7:45 PM:

" If you really believe CO2 (only the man-made variety is bad mind you) is the cause of the great global warming (.6 degree C., 1 degree F. over approximately 100 YEARS) then the only ECO-Ethical thing for you to do is MOVE to a warmer climate and stop burning so much fossil fuel to warm your buns. Oh, and please refrain from talking about global warming as all your hot air AND the CO2 you are emitting with your talking and breathing is damaging the climate forever …… On the other hand if you know a thing or two about computer modeling and the lack of ability to accurately predict complex systems (our climate is a complex system) then relax and enjoy the great wine this fantastic area has to offer. By the by, don’t forget your boots when you visit parts of downtown in the high tide and stormy winter seasons, it can get a little damp - as it has for many many years. "

Mark M wrote on Feb 7, 2007 2:41 PM:

" Remember the famous article in the April 28 1974 issue of Newsweek, in which scientists were predicting a comming ice age, and with all of today's doom, gloom and end of the world scenarios? Give me ONE good reason why I ought to bite on that baited hook a second time, especially when the high-preist of Man-Made Global Warming is the likes of Al Gore? "

Kevin wrote on Feb 7, 2007 8:53 PM:

" Mark, you shouldn't try to confuse the "believers" with facts. Not only did the scientists predict global cooling only 30 years ago, in the past one hundred years they have alternated between global warming and global cooling FOUR different times... "

Hawkeye wrote on Feb 7, 2007 9:39 PM:

" Here we go again turning this all into a political issue! I do agree that there is a lot of doom-and-gloom, most of which turns out to be false. The question really is, to what degree is global warming really occuring? And like Kevin says, to what degree is it man-made? At least a portion of it has to be. With fossil fuel burning comes CO2 emissions, no way around it. CO2 traps heat, no way around that either. We don't have to abandon our current modes of transportation or disrupt them. Just be more conservative with fossil fuels and energy consumption. But global warming is not the only concern here (to what degree is the big question). Don't forget about the other issues relating to fossil fuel consumption. What happens when we run out? The supply is not limitless, it's not going to be abundant forever. And as the supply goes down, the cost goes up. Pretty soon it'll cost over $100 to fill a medium to large cars' tank. So conserving energy and fuel saves you money too. As far as the comment posted by "accountability", it is unrealistic and impossible for scientists to make such short-term global warming forcasts due to the constant and wide fluctuations in our climate, and other complex factors. That's why there's so much debate with global warming in the first place! "

Baseball Mom wrote on Feb 8, 2007 12:46 AM:

" I'll start caring about global warming when the liberals start working with us, rather than just telling us what to do and complaining that anyone driving something other than a Prius or Volvo is evil. Global warming is bad, but liberal arrogance is worse and will take us to a bad place. "

Batter up wrote on Feb 8, 2007 8:16 AM:

" So......Baseball Mom, what should we do, on a local level that is. Maybe push for better/safer public transit. Have safer riding conditions through town for bicyclists. I try to work together to protect this environment, but I am potrayed as a nut whose ideas are self centered. What is your solution? I try everyday to find middle ground, I really doubt you do.... "

Baseball Mom wrote on Feb 8, 2007 2:29 PM:

" For starters, quit using controversial people as your spokespeople. Al Gore is a poor choice. Try finding some moderate people to make the case for taking action...no matter how you package them, many of us simply don't trust liberals. Maybe even find some conservatives with solutions...they're out there, but don't get any press coverage simply because their conservative. It's really a shame, since there have been great ideas on the environment in the past from the right...Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, created the first national park. How about we hear from people who support nuclear power? "

Kevin wrote on Feb 8, 2007 5:04 PM:

" The effects of Carbon Dioxide on global warming are logarithmic, the higher they go the less effect they have. Doubling 1950 CO2 levels of 280 ppm to 560 ppm calculates out to temperature increases of less than 1 degree C. (The "consensus" of most scientists.) To double that temperature increase again would take an increase in CO2 levels of four times as much. The high temperature increases predicted by Al Gore’s cronies are all computer projections that include some kind of "feedback" mechanism that has not been proven and that could just as likely produce cooling. There is no linear relationship between atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Global Mean Temperature. Water Vapor accounts for 70% of the greenhouse effect, CO2 about 4 to 8%. The water vapor absorbs infrared over much the same wavelengths as CO2. Once saturated, increases in greenhouse gases do not cause increased absorption. It is not proper science to simply say that CO2 concentrations are increasing, global temperatures are increasing ergo higher CO2 is causing global warming. The proponents of man made global warming need to specifically predict how much warming will increase based on a specific increase on CO2. So far they have not been able to do this, which is why they continue to roll back their earlier dire predictions. According to the latest report last week, we are now looking at a maximum of 24 inches of ocean rise instead of the 20 feet rise Al Gore predicted just a couple years ago. Hawkeye is correct, this issue is all about politics. The enviromentalists have joined forces with the left wing socialists to promote this issue in order to gain the power and authority they have been unable to achieve through economics or at the ballot box. "

Les wrote on Feb 8, 2007 8:01 PM:

" Preventing global warming is really an economic problem. When Oil goes to $100 a barrel then we'll figure out a better way. "

I love Global warming wrote on Feb 9, 2007 7:40 AM:

" Last week I was took a trip into the Yosemite Valley and saw in wonder the effects of global warming first hand. Those beautiful carved mountains, the waterfalls I could go on and on. I was inspired and all I can say is thank you God for global warming, and whatever you have planned in the future I say bring it on. You and the earth shall abide. "

Naturalist wrote on Feb 9, 2007 10:43 AM:

" Global warming will bring change, but change is not necessarily bad. Life will adapt, just as it has in the past. "

Not Confused Anymore wrote on Feb 9, 2007 3:03 PM:

" To "Hey Inquisitor" can you spend some time doing research for us. 1st question, How many times has the Napa Valley been covered by the ocean waters? If you can answer this question then please continue to post your constitutonal rights. To "D. Deluna" It is very sad that your parents haven't taught you to think for yourself. I am wondering if they are the liberal hippie type that have been mentioned as the believers. Please stay away from the voting box. To "Mark M" oh my I couldnt have said that better myself. To "D. Deluna" 1974 was before your time. However there is still time left before the public library goes under "

Sandra wrote on Feb 11, 2007 8:48 AM:

" Ever wonder why Greenland was named Greenland? Ever wonder how the Vikings established a viable settlement there, and then it all fell apart? Ever wonder why they called the Nova Scotia part of N. America, Vineland? The answer to these and other questions will amaze you....Course you will have to open your mind a little to take this information in. "

Hawkeye wrote on Feb 11, 2007 5:25 PM:

" Granted, the left wing may be blowing the issue of global warming out of proportion in order to appeal to the nation, but I'm still disturbed at some of the attitudes I'm seeing. We live in a wasteful society. Why not cut back a little? It'll save you some money. Isn't that enough of an incentive? I can't tell you how irritated I get when I see someone driving around in a Hummer and they're the only one using it! For god sakes, what for? I know it's their business, but they're wasting fuel. Our resources are not limitless. It becomes everyone elses' business when it drives up the cost of fuel. The same applies to energy use. Turn off the light if you're not going to be in the room. How hard can it be? "

Kevin wrote on Feb 12, 2007 11:35 AM:

" Hawkeye hits the nail on the head: man made global warming is just an excuse for the left wing crowd to continue their quest to dominate and dictate how everyone else should live. "Poor us! We are going to run out of (fill in the blank) in (fill in the blank) years." There was a famous Liberal from years ago (Erlacker?) who wrote a string of books warning of the population "bomb" that was going to destroy the Earth. When proven wrong, he would write another one and just change the date of the end of the world. Never even came close to being correct. Every prediction he made was wrong: we have more food, better health, a cleaner environment, stronger economies and more resources than ever in history. And regardless of Hawkeye and his other "doom and gloom" crones, there is nothing to indicate that that will change. Just for fun Hawk, in your honor, I am turning on every gd light in the building today and I am going to go and start my car and let it idle for a couple hours! "

Hawkeye wrote on Feb 13, 2007 12:47 PM:

" Actually Kevin, I don't belong to the doom-and-gloom crowd. There was a group of scientists back in the early 90's that accurately predicted the alignment of several major planets. They also predicted that the tidal effect of their combined gravity would pull earth off its axis and cause a major shift in the continental plates resulting in pretty much earth being destroyed. I remember not being very alarmed about it. Their combined gravity doesn't even come near the tidal pull of the moon. Planetary alignments have occured in the past over the eons. But, we're still here aren't we? How they came up with such a dire prediction is beyond me. There have been many in the past. None ever came true. Point I'm making here is that I view these predictions with much scrutiny. Global warming is very iffy. I don't know if its the liberals so much as the media trying to garner the ratings with their big stories. We all know the media blows what scientists have to say out of proportion. I don't doubt that this could be another example. Humankind however, is bound to have some impact on our resources and environment. I could say it over and over that our resources are limited and there will always be someone to ridicule me for it. "

Douglas wrote on Feb 14, 2007 9:37 AM:

" Continue the Gasser Project and all other projects. Scientists have been wrong before. The thing with this question on ocean rise, is the planets climate is an incredibly complex system of wind and water cycles. Only recently has Japan built hundreds of super computers that work toghether capible of calculating the Earth's weather. My point being we have to move forward for progression. We can't stop because of what might happen. I believe in the future we'll look at global warming as just one more achieved challenge on a long list for mankind. "

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