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The $1.4 million question
City, county grapple with major hole in housing funds after fiasco
Tuesday, January 23, 2007
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It’s still a mystery where local officials will find the money to cover a $1.4 million deficit now facing the Housing Authority of the City of Napa.

For the last two months city and county officials have been calling a flurry of meetings, in public and behind closed doors, trying to find the answer.
During 2005 and 2006 the city housing agency ran deep into the red as Peter Dreier, the former director of the city housing authority, transferred funds to the other housing agency he operated, the countywide Napa Valley Housing Authority. The money covered cost overruns on the upgrade of farmworker camps in Calistoga and Rutherford, projects that cost about $4.7 million despite being initially budgeted at about $2.5 million.

Now the potential funding sources officials are pinpointing to reimburse the city — the state, the county, the grapegrowing and winemaking industry — are the same pots of money Dreier tried to tap time and again before he resorted to transferring the funds without authorization — a move that spurred his resignation last month.
Napa County Supervisor Brad Wagenknecht, who chairs the county housing authority board of directors, said a committee with representatives from both housing agency boards met for the first time last week to start brainstorming how to round up the missing $1.4 million and how to improve the governance of both housing authorities.

As far as possible funding sources, Wagenknecht said, “There are no magic ones. If anybody has any other ideas we’d be willing to hear them.”
The Napa Valley Vintners, the organization representing nearly 300 local wineries, has expressed some reluctance about providing funds to cover a deficit the industry doesn’t feel it created, according to Rex Stults, the vinters’ industry relations director.

“We have certainly stepped up and contributed money over the years to take care of the farmworkers in Napa Valley. And if you look at the causes of this overrun I think there’s a few places you could look, but the industry did not create this overrun,” Stults said. “Since 1996 through the CSA 4 funds (a grower self-tax that goes toward farmworker housing) the industry has contributed $2.5 million to farmworker housing.”

Stults added there’s a sentiment among vintners and growers that they involuntarily contributed $220,000 toward covering the overrun when the county housing authority recently used leftover camp operation funds to pay off an outstanding contractor bill.

St. Helena City Councilmember Bonnie Schoch, who serves on both the county housing authority board and the farmworker housing oversight committee, agreed the vintners and growers shouldn’t be asked to bail out the city housing authority.

“To turn around and say to the vintners and the growers you pay for this mistake, that’s not their role,” Schoch said. “It’s not really fair to them to take on the responsibility of fixing something they didn’t create.”

Trust Fund baby?

Beyond the grape-growing and wine-making industry, housing authority officials may also be looking to the Napa County Affordable Housing Trust Fund to help replenish the city housing authority coffers, Wagenknecht said. The trust fund is a special pot of money set aside to pay for the construction and rehabilitation of low-income housing countywide. It currently contains between $4 million and $5 million, according to county authorities.

It’s a path that has been tested before, and already proved difficult.

In March of 2006 and thereafter, Dreier continually gave written and verbal assurances to housing officials that the county trust fund would help pay for the overruns. But housing trust fund manager Howard Siegel said that source of money was anything but a certainty.

Any expenditure of the housing trust fund requires permission not only from county supervisors but also from plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the county, represented by the nonprofit California Rural Legal Assistance.

The lawsuit charged the county does not meet state housing laws. Terms of a tentative settlement reached in 2004 require that the county build low-income housing, but also set a limit on how much money could be spent on upgrading the farmworker camps.

Siegel said throughout the spring and summer of 2006 he pressed county housing authority staff to estimate the total overrun, but never got a number.

“We never received anything resembling an estimate, let alone a formal request,” Siegel said. “We never got anything resembling even an impression the extent of those overruns would be as much as they turned out to be. We had no reason to know whether they were $200,000 or $2 million.”

Jenny Gomez, county housing authority housing programs coordinator, said her office couldn’t provide a firm number because construction was still under way.

“Howard did send e-mails back to me very specifically and pointedly asking ‘How much?’ and I couldn’t give him how much,” she said. “I didn’t want to say this much and four months later have to go back and say, ‘No, we meant this much.”

To this day it remains unclear whether the county’s housing trust fund legally can be used to cover some of the overages. Under the settlement, only $500,000 in trust fund money can be used for farmworker housing. Deputy County Counsel Silva Darbinian said the plaintiffs will soon be approached about possibly raising the $500,000 limit.

Meanwhile, the prospects of the county housing authority receiving a long-anticipated $775,000 state grant look promising now that the Rutherford property that the Mondavi farmworker facility sits on will be properly recorded.

After more than a year of negotiating with property owner Constellation Brands, Inc., the beverage corporation has decided to donate the land to the county housing authority, thus making it easier for the housing authority to accept a state grant, Gomez said.

The county housing authority will immediately turn over the $775,000 from the state’s Joe Serna Jr. Migrant Farmworker Fund to the city housing authority.

But that doesn’t begin to solve the problem.

“It’s not part of the $1.4 million (deficit). This is additional money the city cash flowed it, if you will. It’s outside the $1.4 million,” Gomez said.

Farmworker Camp renovation timeline

The final tally shows construction work at two farmworker camps came in more than $2 million over the original $2.5 million budget.

Calistoga Ranch

• May 2005 — Construction contract awarded for $1,317,000 to Napa’s Helmer and Sons.

• July 2005 — Construction begins.

• August 2005 — First change order approved for $147,000 to replace defunct septic system.

• October 2005 — Farmworker Housing Oversight Committee first notified that costs have exceeded the budget by $500,000. Committee told staff plans to open bid for Mondavi camp construction contract on Oct. 28.

• December 2005 — County housing authority board members first notified the project is $500,000 over budget. Board is asked to award Mondavi construction contract for $1.15 million.

• April 2006 — Board receives change order log tallying extra construction costs of $857,000. Oversight committee receives same information one month later.

• Aug. 24, 2006 — Celebration of Calistoga center re-opening. Project came in $1.27 million over budget.

Mondavi Camp

• February 2006 — Construction contract awarded to Bollo Construction, Inc. for $1.17 million.

• March 2006 — Construction begins.

• March 2006 First change order approved for about $12,000 to rewire buildings.

• March 2006 — Oversight committee and county housing board first notified that additional changes to the Mondavi plans will result in added construction costs.

• April 2006 — Oversight committee receives change order log tallying extra construction costs of $151,000. Housing authority board receives same notice two weeks later.

• Sept. 28, 2006 — Celebration of Mondavi facility re-opening. Project came in about $967,000 over budget.
44 comment(s)

Have to Wonder wrote on Jan 23, 2007 7:06 AM:

" just what the total cost will be for Mr. Dreier's taxpayer-funded retirement pension and benefits? Of course he played fast and loose with the funds - in his world, there are no consequences, ever, for financial crime. "

Jay wrote on Jan 23, 2007 9:07 AM:

" I wish the paper would reprint Mr. Danowitz article from last week. There maybe more surprises awaiting more careful accounting elsewhere. The cost overrun for this project(or any public funding requirement, Note: The Bay Bridge)is innevitable if there is no transparancy in the system. It is actually possible that while opporating in a vacuum that Mr. Drier and his staff believed they were doing the right thing. Without checks and balances any organization is subject to the zealous enthusiasm of one person for a pet project. We have all seen it. It is not about blaming a person its about fixing our system. "

Sandra wrote on Jan 23, 2007 9:16 AM:

" I was told by a county worker that borrowing from Peter to pay Paul was a commen occurance in our local government....That the city council does it also. I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceburg. "

Kevin wrote on Jan 23, 2007 9:57 AM:

" The Change Order logs are public records and the NVR should publish them. In my opinion, the real culprit is whomever designed a remodel project and didn't account for the failed septic system or the non-code wiring. Was the architect deliberately told to leave these items out of the project in order to keep the bottom line within target and to get it approved? Sure sounds like it. Who was the architect? I would love to read an interview with them. Keep digging NVR! "

Jay Jacobson wrote on Jan 23, 2007 11:52 AM:

" To Kevin: Its interesting you choose to blame the architect. Just to let you know he's not cashing the change order checks. "

Bob wrote on Jan 23, 2007 5:53 PM:

" The solution is very simple. Sell off the property to pay Napa City Housing Authority. But wait there is more. Make a request of the INS to be zealous in deportation of illegal aliens in Napa County. Let the winery and vineyard owners offer wages attractive enough for citizens to take the work. Let the winery and vineyard owners realize that this IS their problem. "

C Walker wrote on Jan 23, 2007 7:12 PM:

" I agree with Bob! "

Maria wrote on Jan 23, 2007 7:48 PM:

" Wow "Bob" how ignorant can you be!??! Okay since you're blaming the illegal aliens; I would like to see you pick some grapes, rip the fields, work in the cold and in the blazing hot sun. I would like to see one of your daughters/sisters/mother clean houses for a living. How about your wife; huh I bet she gets her nails done at an "affordable" nail salon run by aliens. I am the proud dauther of two illegal aliens. Newsflash, "Bob" we're(illegal aliens) HERE and we're not leaving anytime soon. Hey "Bob" remember senior year of high school? Economics; does that ring a bell? If you got rid of all of the illegal aliens the economy would collapse! "

BETO wrote on Jan 23, 2007 9:16 PM:

" HI BOB! VERY CREATIVE INTELLECTUAL COMMENT; I AGREE THERE SHOULD BE DEPORTATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN NAPA COUNTY! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WORKING THE FIELDS!! I HOPE I WILL SEE IT IN MY LIFETIME. YOU DONT WHAT A REMARKABLE AND BEAUTIFUL SIGHT THAT WOULD BE. "

TO MARIA wrote on Jan 23, 2007 9:21 PM:

" YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Carmencita wrote on Jan 23, 2007 11:34 PM:

" THESE DAMN CAMPS ARE THE LEAST THAT CAN BE DONE FOR THESE WORKERS; THESE WORKERS HELP MAKE THE WINE INDUSRTY WHAT IT IS. I DON'T THINK THE BIG NAME COMPANIES WOULD GO BANKRUPT OR STARVE IF THEY SPENT A FEW MILLION DOLLARS ON PROPER HOUSING FOR THESE HARD WORKING PEOPLE. "

Bob wrote on Jan 24, 2007 8:28 AM:

" To Maria and her friends. Why don't you go tell your own government how to run their business? You certainly have no legitimate say in how my government is run. "

Bob wrote on Jan 24, 2007 8:45 AM:

" What MY government needs is to privatize the task of determining just how many seasonal workers are needed in specific areas. Allow these private companies to make requests in Mexico and other locations for work based on the demand. Take applications, do background checks, be responsible for transporting workers in and out of the country. These would be guest workers, would be paid a decent taxable wage, would be required to have health insurance, drivers licenses, auto insurance, and would not be entitled to handouts or citizenship, that is another subject. All illegals, other than the guest workers would be deported, any illegal caught a second time would be implanted with an "chip" capable of locating him/her within our borders. This could be affordable in the private sector, the industries needing the labor would pay for this service. The government knows how to do very little, if anything, efficiently. "

To Maria wrote on Jan 24, 2007 2:46 PM:

" Here's a newsflash for you; our economy is tied to our freedom and freedom is tied to our obedience to our laws. When the governmental officials decide that they are free to pick and choose which laws to enforce, the result is that the citizens will pick and choose which laws to obey. The illegals have already chosen to disregard our laws. We are heading toward a state of anarchy. This will compel the populace to forgo our freedoms and our economy will collapse. It won't be pretty. I don't think that many will even see it coming. "

Sandra wrote on Jan 24, 2007 6:27 PM:

" to Maria and her cronies....your words are full of arrogance. Before you were born, before your parents came here illegally, much of the work was done by the citizens of this country at a wage they could live on. Now that your parents and others like them have arrived, the wages have been lowered, insurance has gone up, and american citizens cannot make a living being field workers, or house keepers. The people that hire you, do so because they have money, and it makes them feel better to think they are helping those poor workers. Now we are to foot the bill for illegal worker housing on top of everything else? I do not care if the price of wine goes up, I rarely drink it. I do not care if the rich winery owners, or the corporations that own the wineries make a bigger profit because they hire illegals. I want to be able to live a life where I can actually save a little money. My insurance and taxes are eating up any extra I may make. I do not have a housekeeper because I cannot afford it. PLEEAASE...quit taking from this country unless you have a legal right to be here. "

Maria wrote on Jan 24, 2007 9:45 PM:

" Yo, Bob sorry to burst your bubble; "my" government is "your" government. What can I say I was born here :)) so hahaha!! And implant aliens with "chips" dear lord; they're human beings not animals. Hmm, why not "implant" sex offenders or child molesters so the state can keep track of those people; who need to be tracked. And funny how you people imply that the illegal immigrants are all from Mexico. News, for you any person who migrated to this country (US) is an immigrant! "

Mario wrote on Jan 24, 2007 9:52 PM:

" Hey Sandra; call it whatever you want to call it. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. And as the First Amendment states, freedom of speech! Sandra it's not my fault you can't afford a house keeper. Hmm maybe you should consider higher education to attain a better job and "save" some money. It's all about money; making it easier and quicker, building a fortune, and living better. The people exploiting the aliens are just trying to make some money. "

Michelle wrote on Jan 24, 2007 10:59 PM:

" Thanks Maria, you reminded me of a question that I had asked earlier but received no response. Has there been any studies done on the relationship between breaking one law, and the then the likelyhood of breaking a second? Maria, Carmenito, Beto, maybe you could answer this one for me. Are they like potato chips? Is it hard to stop with just one? "

Kevin wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:16 AM:

" Interesting point Michelle. I wonder how many of us "law and order" advocates turn a blind eye when it comes to being completely truthful on our taxes (for example). And I am sure that none of us have ever deliberately violated a traffic law! Seriously, I have always said that the imposition of too many laws leads to disregard for all laws. We should make as few laws as possible but enforce the ones we do make. I don't blame anyone for coming to America, legally or illegally. I would do the same thing in their shoes. I am disgusted with our government for not enforcing the laws we have. (And that goes for enforcing the speed limit too.) "

Jay Jacobson wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:20 AM:

" It may be hard to imagine but both Maria and Bob can be on the same side of this issue. The personal responsibility of the individual and the wine industry are two sides of the same coin. Responsible wine makers must advocate for a fair wage and workers must respect the laws of the country. I think you both would agree. "

Sandra wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:35 AM:

" Mario, your comment is full of arrogance too, along with a lot of ignorance. I am middle class...a dwindling section of our society. If you haven't noticed, cooperations and big business that hires illegal workers are creating a "serf" class of people, for lack of a better word. Much of the money paid to this serf class is sent back to thier homeland. If this keeps up what do you think will happen? Follow the logical outcome. We will have the very wealthy, and the very poor. This country will not survive as the democracy invisioned by our founding fathers. Who will you be in this scenario Mario? One of the wealthy living off the serfs, or one of the serfs. Either way it is ugly. "

Napatude wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:46 PM:

" If anyone new the real Napa they would know that we did fine before the illegals came on board. Mnay of us remember picking fruit in the valley. Before it was filled with vineyards. The vineyards were able to make all of this money becuase they chose not to pay a decent amount of money and fed into Chesar Chaavez's propaganda, such as the City Council led by Jill Techel and our former City Manager Pat Thompson, that us prima donna americans would not be willing to work in the fields becuase of the dirt, hot sun blah blah. We chose not to work becuase of the pay. I know many workers who are here illeagelly that have been working at the same winery for 20 years and only have made a little more than they did when they got here. The winerys love it. My son in law went to his boss and said I need a raise or I am leaving. They liked his work and gave him the raise. These are the company's that respect their workers and their families. Its the greedy winery owners that do not want to change the program. Most of the advocates for these programs to help the farm workers have something to gain from it. I am so tired of hearing no one will do the work here. For one thing our young children cannot work without a work permit. Which is not the easiest to get. They are constently threatened with losing it. They can only work so many hours on certain days, can't be around machinery etc. These are laws that we must abide by. Employeers do not want to deal with that. They can get an illefal to do it and they will work long hours no overtime etc. I have had to fight the schools for my children to work. They have been working since they were 14. The Register as usual had a son and father farmworker on the front page one time, it was about how horrible live was before the farmworker housing. It said how the son who was underage fom Mexico couldn't go to school becuase he had to work. I did not see the school work permit police running out and stopping this. Another example of how becuase only the illeagals struggle they deserve freebies. Its a bunch of crap. I want my tax dollars to go to my community needs. I want money earned in Napa to stay in Napa and not be sent to another countries economy. Yes I am a granddaughter of an immigrant who legally came here. They had to wait and wait till they were accepted while living in horrible conditions in Poland in the early 1900's. "

Napatude wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:49 PM:

" Cost overruns! Should of done like the city and county councils usually do pay someone 500,000 to do a "Study" When they could of sent someone up there to do a full assessment of what actually needed to be done. Or was someone? Or as one writer suggested was it left out on selectively? "

aaron wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:04 PM:

" haha sandra, the founding fathers were all rich upper class society who started this country, and set it up in a way that would keep the classes separated. to keep the money where it was at. "

Sandra wrote on Jan 26, 2007 8:48 AM:

" The founding fathers were men of their times, and all were not rich, though the majority were. And if they were so money hungry, and wanted to keep the classes seperated, then explain, oh wise one, why was that not what occured for much of our history? Did they screw up? Were they money hungry, but stupid? The reality is that for most of this country's history, the middle class was the backbone that held this democracy up. We are getting scoliosis, and soon will not be able to stand. I do not like the vision I see, of the very rich, and the downtrodden worker. I would not want my children to grow up to fill either of those places in our future. "

Bob wrote on Jan 26, 2007 9:34 AM:

" To Maria, I have said in many blogs including in this NR forum that I believe that child molesters and sex offenders should be implanted with a locating "chip." I also would vote for a proposition to remove the "weapons" of rapists, if you know what I mean...You said, "we're (illegal aliens) HERE," so I assumed that you are an illegal alien. My question to you is when will you say that's enough? Have you been to Mexico? Do you know why your parents left Mexico? Would they be happy if California became just like Mexico? Are your parents happy that our border remains open and the flood is occuring at an alarming rate? What happens when these new illegals are competing for the work that your parents now occupy? Wouldn't it be better, as a citizen, to demand that the border crossing ceases right now? What do you think will happen when the California debt that now exists comes due? What will happen when California can no longer rely on "junk" bonds to pay the bills? Anyone who doesn't believe that illegal aliens are directly a huge burden on the states economy isn't paying attention. When the states only option is to increase taxes across the board and stop all handouts, who do you think will remain in the state? That's right! Welcome to Mexifornia. You're a citizen, do your job and defend our future! "

Bob wrote on Jan 26, 2007 10:17 AM:

" Sandra if you're so concerned about your childrens "future" then don't have any!! Or maybe do an act of kindness and adopt a child in need! "

Sandra wrote on Jan 26, 2007 12:26 PM:

" Gee bob, because I am worried about the trend of what I see coming in the future, and do not want that for my children, I should not have any....Brilliant. I shouldn't try to change what I see as wrong, I should just not procreate. The register chose to edit out the first part of my comment that you responded to, so maybe my response to you is unfair, based on the lack of what was printed in my earlier post. The edited response was to Aaron. I have to say it is interesting to me what the register is choosing to remove and what they are letting through. There seems to be a bias towards certain opinions. Big Brother at work here? "

Richard wrote on Jan 26, 2007 5:48 PM:

" Dear Sandra, Big Brother? You're giving him to much credit. It's a shame when the "moderator" becomes the story. Concerned about illegal immigration? Hate Speech! Concerned about the assimilation of Muslims into our society? Hate Speech! Concerned about socialism? (Communism minus the violent revolution.) Hate Speech! OK, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but I am getting a bit tired of constantly rewriting my posts wondering if its going to get past the left leaning thought police. I do agree with creating a validated profile with photo. That alone would clean things up a lot. "

Sandy wrote on Jan 26, 2007 7:45 PM:

" Richard I don't think you are exaggerating at all, I think you hit the nail on the head. I've noticed reading posts on other newspaper blogs that don't censor half as much as the Napa Valley Register does. I think it's safe to say the Register is very Pro illegal immigrant, and we citizens that aren't happy about the current situation are all portrayed as not compassionate at best and evil racists at worst. The wineries rule the roost here in Napa and they want the cheap labor so our views are ignored as Mayor Techel and the rest of our so called public servants cater to the vintners and the illegal immigrants. The problem is only going to get worse. "

I LIKE IT wrote on Jan 27, 2007 8:18 AM:

" MEXIFORNIA I LOVE IT! IT DIDNT TAKE LONG. SOON THERE WONT BE A WHITE AMERICAN. "

Umm wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:55 PM:

" Your caps button must be stuck... "

Sandra wrote on Jan 27, 2007 4:37 PM:

" To I Like it...Mexifornia...I hope you are being sarcastic, but probably not. What a racist thing to say...Now if I said the same, but replaced the word white with ( pick a color of your choice), you can bet RACISM would be the cried loudly. Why is it accepted to declare loudly you will "love" when there are no white people in California, but if white people did the same about someone of another skin color they would be called racists? This is not about race, to me. It is a sad reflection on you, that you feel it is about race. "

Back to the Topic wrote on Jan 29, 2007 12:25 PM:

" I understand how the discussion moved to illegal immigration, Illegal immigrants will be the people inhabiting the "farmworker housing". But the issue at hand is how $2.9 Million was spent despite a budget of only $1.5 Million, and what is going to be done about it. In the private sector DRIER WOULD BE IN JAIL, or at least be awaiting trial on criminal charges, or maybe only be under invetigation at this point with trial and jail pending. As I see it, the point of the story is what has not happened. No one has been fired, and no one is under criminal investigation. And that's how our County is run. "

Bob wrote on Jan 29, 2007 3:31 PM:

" To Back to the Topic: Yes indeed, that is just about how our country is run! I'm glad to see Nifong answering for his abuse of power. Other than that, they seem to get away with murder! No accountability, no outrage, no throwing them out on their butts. Would Dreier have ever done what he did if he thought he might have to answer for it criminally? These governmental employees presume to have immunity for their criminal behavior. Perhaps it is more than a presumption. Dreier should be indicted, but his fellows are sweeping it under the rug. Any of our public officials worthy to cast the first stone?? Probably not. "

Sandra wrote on Jan 30, 2007 10:18 AM:

" It is my understanding, having spoke to someone from the county, that it is common practice for our city and county government to muddy the waters by borrowing from peter to pay paul. It was this persons opinion that Drier probably "borrowed" and had intentions of paying back once other monies were available. It was discovered before he was able to do so. Is this right? Absolutely not. Does it happen all the time....would appear so. Should something be done about it. YES!! It seems the people we elect and appoint to run our little valley feel they know what is best, and are willing to not follow the rules set up. It is very arrogant, and is a reflection on our town, and society in general that this is accepted. "

Manual wrote on Jan 30, 2007 1:38 PM:

" I agree that the county should sell one or both camps to pay the debt. I so no reason that the taxpayers should be footing the bill to house the exploited, underpaid workers of wine industry. If the vineyard owners and wineries should resolve the problem their industry creates by buying the camps. Many people demonize Walmart for paying low wages and no benefits, I so no difference. The wineries are exploiting illegal immigrants for greed. Pure and simple. That is where the problem starts and that is where the solution is found. "

Maria Del Carmen De La Luz Alvarado wrote on Jan 30, 2007 11:44 PM:

" LOL @ MEXIFORNIA. UMMM SOOOOOO TRUE. HMMM CAUCASIAN? WHERE THE HELL IS THE COUNTRY CAUCASIA!??! FACE IT; WHITE PEOPLE ARE BECOMING THE MINORITIES OF THIS COUNTRY!! UMM SOME "WHITE" PEOPLE AREN'T "WHITE" THEY'RE MORE LIKE RED AND PINK. "

Sandra wrote on Jan 31, 2007 9:03 AM:

" To Maria Del Carmen De La Luz Alvarad, Your words portray a lovely sentiment. Your comments reflect bigotry and hate. I bet God has a special place for you. "

to Maria del.... wrote on Jan 31, 2007 11:03 AM:

" That's right, we are becoming a minority here. What are you guys gonna do when we're gone? Who will you go to for jobs and handouts? And Caucasia is a region southwest of Russia. Unless you are 100% aztec, some of your ancestors probably came from there too. "

Reality Check wrote on Feb 1, 2007 7:37 PM:

" Has anybody honestly realized how messed up Mexico would be if in the future the United States became just like it? Look up the term "third world" ....it is not a good thing! "

Reality Check wrote on Feb 1, 2007 7:44 PM:

" Hey, I was just wondering....If I were to make up my own poster for the next MayDay Illegal Immigration March could I get away with this? You see, I want my poster to be a big picture of the Virgin de Guadalupe and she's says "Hey kids, start following the law and immigrate legally, you're embarassing me!" ...Would that be "disrespectful"? "

Reality Check wrote on Feb 1, 2007 7:52 PM:

" Well if white people really do become a minority here in Napa, does that mean we can start applying for all the grants, special programs, and free stuff.....and force the majority to pay for it? That's Cool! (I would also like to insist on affimative action here in the Valley and force Wells Fargo to start hiring white people even though they ONLY speak English.) "

to Reality Check wrote on Feb 2, 2007 3:25 PM:

" Yes, I would encourage you to march with that Virgin of Guadalupe standard. You might want to stick close to the cops, however; these illegals and pro-illegal types seem to have trouble with disagreeing peacefully. "

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